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We’re thrilled to welcome Nicole Mattox back to the show, alongside first-time guest Eric Guilmette, as they sit down with host Sarah Moliski to talk about their new series Dungeons of Ecstasy....
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00:00Hey everyone, Sarah Malisky here with another Real Talk episode where it gets hot, spicy,
00:04and to the drama. I'm so excited today. I'm actually quite literally sweating because we're
00:10going to dive into a hot, steamy, new Real Short series called Dungeons of Ecstasy. And when I
00:18tell you it is hot, it is spicy, it is leather, it is Italy, it is zaddy. Introducing three-time
00:25Real Short Fan Award winner, Nicole Maddox. And the man you all fantasize about, Eric Gilmette.
00:50Okay, so this is maybe I'm being biased. I'm so excited to interview you both about your new show.
00:55Obviously we have Eric, we have Nicole here. I can't wait to talk about this. I've heard
01:00some adjectives. I've heard zaddy, leather, Italy, hot. All are accurate. Do those work? How does
01:11that fit into the show? They truly are all, I think that might just be the logline right there.
01:15I think it's just going to be a series of those words and that's all you need to know.
01:20So tell me a little bit about it. What's the better way to describe the show? Would it be
01:24calling it like BDSM light? Yeah, like a light BDSM vibe. Like a sprinkled BDSM.
01:30I would say like 22, 23 shades of gray. That's the best way to describe the show.
01:34Yeah. Okay, so I feel like some viewers might not understand like the levels or the gauging
01:39of that. So compared to intense BDSM, like how would this stack up?
01:44This is, it's just sexy is the thing. It's not like... It's more like mysterious. Yeah.
01:48Yeah. Like it's, I mean, I know BDSM is a very like encompassing term, but it's more like
01:54mysterious sexual romance type of thing. Yes. Yeah.
01:57Ooh. And Nicole, is this kind of a new little genre for you?
02:01Oh yeah. Oh yeah. This is very different from what I've usually done.
02:05Okay. Which was, it was fun.
02:07What do you usually do?
02:08I'm mommy.
02:09Oh, because it coined mommy.
02:11I'm mommy. Yes.
02:13So mommy and zaddy.
02:14Mommy and zaddy.
02:17Oh God.
02:17Took on Italy.
02:18Yeah.
02:20No, yeah, it was different. It was just very different, which was fun. It was fun to kind
02:25of like explore new themes and I would be just somebody who's very different. And yeah, it was,
02:29it was, it was a blast. It was really fun to take on and like complete 180 from what I usually do.
02:34Would you say in the vertical space, it can sometimes be hard to get out of the actor box
02:39or the character box that you guys tend to get into. Yeah.
02:42Where so this is fun that you were able to really like do something different to show the fans that like,
02:46I actually have something spicy. Yeah.
02:48Up my sleeve.
02:49Exactly. Exactly. And I understand why we like it's,
02:51you get kind of pigeonholed and it's like that in all of Hollywood too. It's not just vertical
02:55space. It's when you see somebody doing one character type and doing pretty well at it. I
02:59mean, that's what people come to associate you with. So that's what casting comes to associate
03:03you with. That's people like just see you as, um, so it is nice to have this now and just have
03:08something different and being like, I have more range. I have versatility.
03:11I would say this is kind of a little on brand for me, but like, like I've done all the werewolves
03:17and stoic cold, don't move, just stare at the camera type of thing like that vibe. And it's
03:22a little bit like that, but there's the, I play two characters and so I play Luke and Lucian and
03:29they're very different, but they're the same person. It's weird. It's complicated. It's very
03:33weird. It's, it's a little complicated, but it's nice to actually, my character was trying to act
03:38most of the time. So that was actually a fun challenge for me.
03:40So you're an actor as a human playing an actor? I'm a human playing someone who isn't supposed to
03:48be the person that she knows. Okay. Because trying to infiltrate like a, like a sex ring.
03:54Oh. Yeah. I was like, did I describe that correctly? I'm like, okay. Yeah. He just,
03:59he doesn't need, he needs his character and needs my character to think he's not my husband.
04:04There we go. Do you realize? Sure. After lots and lots, I know the whole time because it,
04:10I mean, it's the same person. Like obviously, like I'm like, I'm looking at you, but he's,
04:14does act very different than like my Luke. Um, so. You're a wookie baby.
04:20I'm a wookie baby. Oh. And. A baby?
04:23A little baby. I'm just a baby. Yeah. Um, so yeah. I mean, my character kind of knew,
04:28but it's things unfold and, um, you'll have to watch and see if and when I find out if it's him.
04:35Slash if I fall for the other guy. And we'll see what happens.
04:38Right. Right. Okay. So can you guys just tell me a little bit about your characters too?
04:42Yeah. Yeah, totally. So, uh, I play Emily and, uh, it's very much like the beginning.
04:46Everything's happy. Everything's fine. I'm married. Happily married.
04:49Yes. And we're like just fine and goofy and yeah. And just like living our happy little young married
04:54live. Yeah. Um, and then things go south very immediately, like episode one. So not spoiling
05:00anything. We get in a car crash. He's gone. He serves me divorce papers. He's out, out of nowhere.
05:05So my character kind of goes to like a hardening transition. And, um, I, I'm like a travel writer
05:10slash investigative reporter. Um, so I spend all of my time trying to track him down to be like,
05:16I need to face him and figure out why he's gone. I find out he's in Italy and that's why we go to Italy.
05:22And she tracks me down to Italy to this dungeon of ecstasy. And, um, I'm like confronted by the fact
05:30that she's in a room where these women have to go through trials and, um, those trials are like
05:38testing their abilities, I guess, for lack of a better term. And anyways, I walk into a room and
05:45she's there and I have to put her through trials and my character secretly wants her to fail because
05:51wants me out of there does not want me a part of this anywhere near it. But I'm trying to prove
05:56that it's him the whole time and trying to uncover and be like, no, I'm going to make you say to me
06:00out loud that this is you. So I'm a little stubborn.
06:03Yeah. Oh my gosh. It's pretty wild. It's really good. It's a great script.
06:07I rocked it. I know. I rocked it. All right, let's watch Party It. I'm so excited.
06:12So when Felix, uh, Felix Merabach, uh, was one of the producers and he came to me about this
06:17and he, and he was like, you know, like, look, I want you for this show. All right. And I was like,
06:22oh dude, I can't, I have like bookings on either side of it. Like we can't. And they're like, no,
06:25we'll make it work. And I was like, all right, what is it? And he was like, it's BDSM. I was like,
06:28I'm out. And then he was like, he was like, no, no, just read the script. And I read the script
06:32and I was like, oh, I need to do this project because it's so good. And the script is amazing.
06:36Yeah. Cyprus was, was the writer and she actually came to set. She did. She came to Italy. She stayed
06:40with us and the little castle we were living in. Oh my God. The castle. So nice. Okay. So I hear
06:45the word castle. I hear the word Italy. Let's talk about the location because what? Yeah. It was a
06:52dream. When I was told about it, everybody was like, okay, well you're staying. The director said
06:56he owns this mill in Italy. And he's like, we're going to stay at my, this property. Did he call it a mill?
07:00He called it a mill to me. I don't think I was ever told it was a mill. He told me it was a mill.
07:03He told me it was a castle. And it's a castle. He told me mill. He was like, well,
07:07it's not as big as the castle I used to own. It's definitely a castle. But it is not as big
07:11as the castle he used to own, which is fair. But it's a castle. It's a full on castle. Charlie
07:17Band, everybody. Yeah. Charlie Band. Thank God for him. And so we show up and they just took such
07:24great care of us. And we show up to this property and there's these giant gates and we all, it was
07:28ridiculous. And I was like, Charlie, you said you, this was a mill. He made me think we were living in some
07:33little like cottage kind of thing. No, it was a full castle. And he showed us each to our own
07:38rooms. And it was just, it was phenomenal. It was awesome. I mean, we were taken care of from the
07:42second we got there to the second we left. Yeah. I had a different entrance. You had a very
07:46different entrance. I was filming a show that I produced called Campus Rivals till like 1am.
07:52And then at 5am, I got on a flight to go to Italy. Of course.
07:55You know, very, very sleep deprived the whole time, but it was okay. Um, and then got there,
08:00landed and we got, I got brought straight to this like church center of town area and
08:06Jovi. From the airport. From the airport. Very, very like Brad Pitt style. Very, I was like,
08:11oh, this feels very movie star. Minus the fact that I was exhausted. Right. That also is movie star.
08:15Yeah. It's great. And, uh, and then we just started filming and there's all these people that are
08:20around the, the locations are insane. And then I finally got to see the castle and I was like,
08:25oh my God, this is where we're staying and shooting. And then we, we live there and happily
08:30ever after. Yeah. Wow. It was in, no, he literally went from the airport to film. Yeah. Like from
08:36Italy. It was crazy. It was a little dreamy. A side note, just you guys are both so busy and you're
08:44both huge names in the vertical space, especially. So tell me a little bit about, obviously from the
08:50outside, it can look like, oh my gosh, the dream life. Like they're flying to all these different
08:54countries. They're big actors, you know, like, wow. What's it actually like? And how do you navigate
09:00doing something when you have no sleep? You aren't able to see your friends or family,
09:05maybe relationships don't work either. Like what's that side of the actor life like?
09:09So I'm holding something in my hand right now and it's called
09:15energy drink. It's an energy drink. And so that gets us through the sleep deprivation.
09:20That's definitely one of the hardest. Yes. Sleep deprivation. And for me personally,
09:24I am a very social person and not seeing my friends is, it is the hardest part for me personally. And
09:30it's a matter of like, you have your friends who you, who support you so, so much. And then you're
09:35not there for some of the big moments for them because I'm in Italy or because I'm in Atlanta.
09:39That's the hardest part. It takes a toll and you're just like, you're like personal relationships and
09:44things like that. So that, that is the toughest part for me. But then also you're friends with
09:47everybody on set. So, you know, like it did just feel like we were all just like with our friends
09:52hanging out in Italy. It was very like, I actually talked to Felix about this like the other day.
09:56Like if I felt very much at peace when I was there, which as we all know, sometimes you're on set
10:02and it does not feel like peace. Right. It feels like you're like battling. Right. And so war against the world.
10:08Like truly we've all been there. Yeah. And so when we're in Italy, like it just felt like we were
10:13filming with our friends. We're only working like 10 hour days. We're drinking all the best wines
10:19and eating all the best food and we're in a castle. And I was like, and at no point was I like,
10:24this isn't amazing. There was no, there's not one point that I did not think what we were doing
10:28was amazing. Yeah. Even sleep deprived. Would you say at the stage that you guys are at,
10:33are you still able to have those aha moments that are like, oh my God, like I'm still,
10:38I'm on set. I'm in Italy. I'm getting flown around the world. I'm acting with my best friends. Like
10:43this is like a really beautiful moment to be grateful for. Do you guys still have those moments?
10:47Oh yes. Well, and especially in Italy. I mean, it was day one when we showed up to this giant,
10:52like insane church that we're filming outside of. That was just insane. I mean, right off the bat,
10:58I was like, we're, we're here, we're doing, this is our job. Like that's crazy. And then as we all got
11:04to know each other more and like got to be really close. Cause you know, you bond when you're overseas
11:08living together, especially when you're like overseas, you're on location. Like you spend
11:11every waking minute of your time with those people. And so it's very aha, you know, it's,
11:17it's very like, wow, this is pinched me cool. And then, and then of course the hard thing is when
11:22you go to like a set that isn't like that, uh, after having an experience like that, it's like,
11:27it's very hard to kind of go through that transition. I would say that's one of the,
11:30yeah, it's very, you know, not every set is, you know, what's the expression in Hollywood
11:35once for the meal and once for the real, yeah, this was for the, the real and like the soul.
11:40And, and, and we still got the meal in the process, you know, we checked all the boxes.
11:46Yeah. Yeah. It was like truly a once in a lifetime experience filming this also for this one.
11:50The only reason I got on this project was because of this guy, he recommended me for this project,
11:55which was crazy. And we didn't never, it really worked out quite, quite interestingly.
11:59Yeah. You know, like they had never worked together before, which is the craziest thing
12:02about vertical space though, is I feel like we know so many people we know of so many, right.
12:07Right. And then like, you very rarely get to meet all the people that you're like,
12:09I've, I've been following your work though. I think you're so cool. Yeah, for sure.
12:14So then, yeah. So we try to, we try to meet up with as many other actors as possible.
12:18So that, yeah. Yeah. And then, and so then we got drinks and then like, um,
12:22I talked to the producers and they're like, yeah, like, you know, the, the first person that we're
12:26considering most likely can't do it. And then they, they liked the people that are recommended,
12:31but it wasn't just necessarily a fit for them. And then I was like, well, I'm getting drinks
12:35with Nicole tonight. Like she's part of real short. Do you want me to see if she's interested?
12:40And then they're like, yeah. And so then I was like, so do you know where Italy is?
12:45And she was like, no, like pull my leg. Like I have no interest.
12:49Oh no, Italy. I have to go to Italy and get paid to go. That's cool.
12:53I don't know about that. Yeah. Yeah. And then they ended up working out. Yeah.
12:58Yeah. Crazy. It was just, it was timing was everything. Right. So Italy is amazing,
13:04obviously for multiple reasons, but tell me a little bit about the cinematography and the
13:08production value of just working on something over there, like the scale of that.
13:12A lot of it is because of full moon features. So Charlie band who owns and operates full moon
13:17features, they do like horror films. They've been doing horror films for like 30 something years.
13:21And Charlie band has done over 400 feature films. It's crazy.
13:26Once I actually like attached myself to the project and I looked through his IMDB, I was like,
13:30holy, you know, hell, are we all to swear? I don't know. I was like, holy. And so anyways,
13:37um, and, and then I was like, oh, this is going to be like legitimate. And then when I heard from
13:42them how they were going to shoot it. So they shot, you know, standard 16 by nine framing and Tom was
13:47the DP and really, really good. And, um, and then they had crop lines. And then we learned once I got
13:54there, this is when I learned that this was going to be released in two formats. This was going to be
13:59released on real short with a real short edit in a nine by 16. And then it's going to be released on like
14:05prime and to be in all these other places with a 16 by nine feature edit. And I was like,
14:10oh my God, this is an incredible thing. And so then that was number one. And number two was our
14:15locations, our location. The production value of our locations was, it was unbelievable. We're
14:22filming in a castle. We're filming in monster park. I won't say what Felix says, but we're just
14:33filming in these incredible locations with a good script. And we're like, oh, we literally hit all
14:37the, all the things that would make a good movie. Yeah. And then with good cast, good people, you
14:41know? Yeah. Yeah. We just, it was, it was crazy. That's really cool. Also, I was thinking about this
14:47earlier. Um, just talking with other casting directors, other actors, some people are a little
14:51highbrow and, you know, turn their nose at the verticals. You know, I'm sure you guys have friends
14:55too, who are like, I don't want that on my IMDb. Oh no, no, never. Especially when we started.
15:01Especially when we started. Yeah. When we started, people were like, oh, you're gonna,
15:04you're one of those actors. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
15:06It's like, yes, I am. Like, sorry. Like, oh, thanks. Yeah.
15:10Um, but that's really cool because the show is going to also be on Amazon and Tubi and all these other
15:16things. So it's just showing how the verticals are growing. They're becoming movies. They're becoming
15:21the horizontal land that everybody loves and is obsessed with, you know? So it's,
15:26it's an exciting time. It is. And it's exciting too, because it's, it's verticals in themselves,
15:31especially with Real Short, are expanding into just other genres and other trying new things and
15:36still doing the things that are tried and true and people do love and they're successful for a
15:41reason. But it's also growing in other aspects and bringing new audiences and it's just like, it's,
15:46it's really, really cool to watch. And one thing that's cool about this one is Full Moon
15:50Features. Again, they do horror films and we are going to get naturally because of their
15:55pull, like horror fans that are going to be watching verticals. And I think like one of the
16:00things for the space to be able to grow is to not just have the current audience watching it. You
16:04want to get people that do, you know, are gamers or horror, horror fans or action film watchers,
16:10whatever. And so it's like, if we can kind of get a mix of them, especially naturally,
16:14like organically, that's really, and this is like a great starting point. I feel like this is,
16:18it's not horror. It's, this is definitely like romance thriller. Okay. I would say. Okay. Agreed.
16:23You know, I would say that's kind of the genre. So it's, it's like a nice branch off of standard
16:28vertical, uh, land. Nice. Vertical land. Vertical land. Okay. So since we're just talking Italy and
16:35we're talking senses, adjectives, all these things, I think we should play a game of charades. I'm
16:40terrified. It's going to be like dungeons of ecstasy. All right. This is your fifth trial.
16:45That's maybe not as much BDSM. Six. So Nicole, I believe you're going to go first.
16:52Okay. So one, two, three, action. You're crushing it. Bear. Gorilla. Vampire.
16:57Vampire. Werewolf. Yes. Yes. Tennis player. Tennis. Tennis. Me. Oh. Oh. What? What? Uh, bad score.
17:12Oh, close. I know what it is. Oh, hockey. Yes. Basketball. Yes.
17:19Oh. Chef. Cooking. Serving. Pancakes. Oh. Eating. Baking. Cook. Flip. Serve. Um, I'm a waitress. Uh, pizza.
17:32Yes. Ah. Money.
17:38Money. Uh, call girl. Uh, look up. Uh. I don't know how to act this way. Money. Rich. Rich. Money. Billionaire.
17:46Yes. Ah. What was this? That was like the highest money. The top of it.
17:51Oh, the highest money you can go. Look up. I have no idea how to do this one. Stripper.
18:01You can't give birth. Woman. Mother. Back to that. What? I don't know how else to do this.
18:08Sex. Impregnate. Pregnant. Impregnate. By my doctor. By my baby daddy.
18:17Surrogate. Surrogate. Yes. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. This one's hard too.
18:25Shotput. Uh, baseball. Football. Football. Quarterback.
18:30Ah. Got you. You're quick. He's quick.
18:34Gun. Spy. Italian. Mafia. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.
18:42Wine. Drinking wine. Yes. Eating pasta. Yeah. That was a quick one. Wait, wait.
18:54Your show seems to be definitely pushing some boundaries on some vertical spaces and just BDSM,
19:01light and all that type of thing. 22 shades. But 22. So, so with that, how would, how do you guys
19:08navigate doing sexy, steamy scenes on set? Like, what's that like for you guys? Cause some of our
19:14viewers watch, they're like, oh my gosh, are they actually kissing on screen? What's, what,
19:18what is that look like to you guys? We are actually kissing on the screen. Yeah.
19:22We're not pantomiming it. We're not pantomiming it. There's no.
19:25Using the camera. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do the, do the, the, the hide.
19:28Um, no, honestly, what it really comes down to is being comfortable with the people you're on set with.
19:33Uh-huh. And that's your co-star. And that was really nice because I was with Eric and Felix
19:37and Molly and they're all very established in this space. So not only I know they're phenomenal
19:41actors and phenomenal people, I know that they've done this before. Like, it's not like somebody
19:45who's just going in, like, I've never done intimacy, you know? So it was really nice being in another
19:50country and having people who all are like, we've all been here. We know what we're doing. We know how
19:55to keep this like classy and, and do this professionally. Um, and then also Charlie Band as the director,
20:01he's just, I just trust him so deeply and so much. It's just very comfortable when you trust
20:05everybody that you're with the entire crew, the entire cast. It's like, it makes, it makes those
20:10steamy scenes. Just like, it's just part of your, it's part of the day. Yeah. I would say like the
20:15main thing is definitely trust with your co-star. Cause like, if you can't communicate with your
20:19co-star, especially for something that's like a little charged, like ours are 22 shades. Like you need
20:25to be able to like talk to each other, talk it through. But again, we're both professionals.
20:29We've done this however many, too many times, um, you know? So it's like, we got to the point where
20:34we knew what we were going to accomplish and we talked through the scenes and we coordinated it.
20:38And like, it actually made for, I think a really good, like, like a genuine experience, you know,
20:44like in terms of what we were portraying. So it was, that was good. Yeah. Yeah.
20:48And what would you say is more challenging for you as an actor, either the literal physical
20:53technicality choreography of doing intimacy scenes or the emotional moments with each
20:59other, which is maybe a harder approach for you. It's kind of a mix. It's hard to stay in the
21:07emotional vulnerability of it with some of the physical limitations you have sometimes. For example,
21:12in ours, there's one where it's like kind of all one little segment and segue of things,
21:17but we would have to like stay in this steamy space. So we had to like pause and unbutton and
21:22take these under things off and then replace and then stay in it. Everything's under. And then we're
21:27like, okay, we're back. And then like, try and keep that. I feel like is sometimes the hardest.
21:33It's, it's hardest to stay emotionally available and open within what you have to do physically.
21:39Yeah. I think you actually said it perfectly because like when we were doing the mannequin scene,
21:42for example, like after the, the ecstasy thing, we had to pause. That was the mirror one.
21:47Oh yeah. The mirror. Sorry. But it was both filmed in the same location. Yeah. Yeah. They wouldn't know,
21:51but we know. Anyways. And, uh, and, and so like when we had to do that, like we had to pause for like
21:57probably 15, 20 seconds and then come back and do it. And the physical. It's supposed to look as one.
22:03Yeah. One continuous shot. And so like the physical aspect is, I don't want to say like
22:07we're desensitized to it, but we're professional professionals and we've done it too many times
22:10that it's like, you know, you, you actually don't think about that when you're doing it.
22:15But yeah, that, that would say that's all part of it. Yeah. Yeah.
22:19And before you guys started doing verticals, had you done intimacy scenes? Have you,
22:24are you familiar with doing that kind of thing? I've done like kissing scenes before,
22:29but not anything that, or I've done like a comedic, like sex scene where it's like you're going
22:35into a sex scene. And then, you know, it's like a comedy beat where we're like on the other side
22:38of the door, you hear us. And it's like funny things like that. Not like anything that like
22:43that steamy and passionate, uh, before verticals, but yeah, I filmed a few features that had
22:49that stuff built into it. So, you know, I would say that verticals definitely has pushed my,
22:54my boundaries and yeah. Um, but outside of that beforehand, it was very light compared to,
23:00especially what Dungeons of Exorcist. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 22 shades.
23:05If they read named the title of that, like someone could just give me naming rights.
23:09Yeah. Yeah. It was really like a cool experience because again,
23:14the scenes that we were doing that were intimate, like if you were a new actor, for example,
23:19like the intimacy aspect would be like riding on your head. And like, you would be thinking about
23:24that going into it. Whereas we were really thinking about our characters and what our characters
23:28were trying to experience in that moment. Yeah. And like the vulnerability of your character,
23:33like giving into Lucian and Lucian not being Luke and all of that. So it's like,
23:37it was so much more than the actual intimate aspect. Right. And cause like we said,
23:41our characters are very layered in this one. So we each, every, every intimacy moment that we had,
23:46all like we each had reasons for being there and other things that we were thinking about and like
23:50other things our character was trying to accomplish within that. It was complicated and I'm glad I,
23:55I'm glad I got to do it with somebody who's experienced for sure. For sure. Whereas most
23:59verticals, I feel like the intimacy and the steamy crap is just there for quick bait. It's literally
24:04just there to just get the male weed shirt off or whatever reason. And this was so not that. And
24:11like, so that's why like, it felt like we were filming. Yeah. Everything that had intention,
24:15everything, it felt like we were filming something elevated. So yeah.
24:18Yeah. Um, question for you guys, since you do so many of these back to back and you do
24:22other types of work as well, what's it like for you? Like you guys are saying that there's so many
24:27layers to each one of your characters on this and some of them, you guys know, some of these are
24:31easier for us to do than others. You can kind of just look at the script and you're like, all right,
24:34I'm locked in. I'm good. How do you prepare for a role that's so deep and layered and different from
24:40the norm that you guys are used to? Like, did you have to emotionally prepare a little bit more?
24:44Did you have to sit with the script longer? Like, what was that like?
24:47So like, like when I was coming into this, I was literally film finishing another project,
24:51right? How do you do that as an actor? Actually, I'm really glad that like Nicole was the lead
24:58because we were able to like talk through scenes and like run lines and stuff. Whereas like some
25:03actors just don't like doing that. And they're very like, they have their own ways of doing it.
25:07And ours was very collaborative. And you had such an, like a definite idea of who your character was
25:13that then it helped me like kind of use that as a basis to go off of when we, when we did stuff.
25:18I was like, I didn't rely on you, but I definitely was like, I was like, I'm here for you. I was
25:23like, well, she knows. She's doing the heavy lifting. Because like, I was, I mean, I'm not lying.
25:28I was exhausted. I was deep into, you know, day 40 something of filming or whatever. Right. And so
25:33then coming off of a project that not only were you the lead and you produce, I produced a lot of brain
25:38power. It's a lot with that project. Yeah. And like, what's good about my character for this one,
25:43like he's stoic. He, he has to, but he has to play those things. Like, again, he's not
25:47actually naturally stoic. He's not naturally this alpha asshole, you know, like, yeah. And so it was
25:54like kind of fun to play with that and then have our moments of breaking, which like, you'll see
25:58like kind of nuance. Well, hopefully you'll see, I don't know how the edit is, but hopefully you'll
26:02see those, those, those nuanced, um, moments. Yeah. And for me, I did, I did work, sit with it a little
26:08longer, but also like, I kind of, even the one tone things where it's very clear. I have one goal,
26:13one thing. That's all my character thinks about. Um, I still like sitting with it and I like finding
26:18layers where I can't like, it's just the fun part to me. Like, like I enjoy that more so than being
26:23on set. Um, and then it also makes the set experience better because you can kind of play.
26:27And especially when you have somebody who you can kind of play off of, and then I could see kind of
26:31layers going on with him and I could, I could then play off of it and see how it makes me feel and
26:35everything. So it was, um, yeah, it was a lot of working with it beforehand, but it was also a lot
26:39of just trusting like your scene partner and, um, yeah, just letting it hit. But logistically,
26:45how do you guys do it? Like coming off of a show that you literally produce NRN and you've shot 50
26:51days in a row. Now you're in every other real short series that exists. Like how do you, the night
26:55before you literally wrapped and then got on a plane and then got there. I did it. I had one day in Italy
27:00to prep this one. So I prepped, I literally, I think how long it was like a 12 hour flight.
27:05Yeah. Um, and so I literally, the way there, I was the same kind of thing for me. I
27:09wrapped my project at like 1130. I had a 6am flight, got on the plane the entire time. I think
27:14I like dove into the script and I looked up afterwards and it said like two hours left
27:19on the flight. And it was just like, I just spent the entire flight just like digging into it. And
27:23then I had a day before we started filming to be in Italy. So then I also had that to kind of talk to
27:27the director and talk to Felix and you know, um, so for me, I, I only need like two days of just heads down,
27:34like focus in on it. Um, so I got, I had some of that time. Well, and especially for like us,
27:40once we actually did our first scene together, like our, like a real scene together, I understood
27:44our relationship more and how our dynamic was going to be. And then like, we got to like,
27:49play that out. But on like a bigger scale, like, I think the question that you're asking is how do we
27:53do it? Like how do, how does that actually happen? Um, I think, yeah, I was going to say,
27:58I think like a big part of it, and this is why like, you know, the productions hire seasoned
28:04vertical actors or just seasoned actors in general is that the lines aren't the hard part for us.
28:09Memorizing lines is it should be the bare minimum. If you show up to a set and you don't know your lines,
28:14like, what are you doing? And so like, that was the bare minimum. And so when you're at that point,
28:19and even intimacy is like, I don't say the bare minimum, but in verticals, like you're going to
28:23have, you're going to have intimacy. So it's like, all of those things are the things that we don't
28:27think about. It's everything else. It's, it's the characters. Me, I, I, I always think with a little
28:32bit of a producer brain, then I overstep. Um, but at least I know that about myself. I know my flaws.
28:38I just don't know how to fix them. At least you're self-aware. That's all we ask.
28:41You're not trying to fix them. I'm not trying to fix them. I, I'm actually leaning deeper into it,
28:45but it's okay. But, um, you know, I think that's just part of it. Yeah. Yeah.
28:49Yeah. Would you say that I can talk from experience for myself working on these verticals,
28:54just back to back to back. My skillset has improved so much. I'll get a script right away
28:58and I'll have it memorized in a couple hours. Do you think that the vertical game, just how quick,
29:04how much you guys know, like we'll get monologues, like so much copy that we have to know has helped
29:09you just working in the vertical space. Yes. I mean, memory phenomenal, like improved 110%. Like,
29:15it's just that like short-term memory in and out. You look at something twice.
29:19My short-term memory is great. My long-term memory is trash. Mine is so bad. Oh my gosh,
29:22mine is so bad too. That's why when we were talking, you're like, were you just there? I'm like,
29:27Sarah, where are you from? And then you're like, I don't know. No, I was literally like, you know,
29:31I don't know anymore, man. Like, I don't know. It's so bad. I don't know anything.
29:37Yeah. Yeah. Long-term memory. Not so great. Short-term memory. It's helped so much. And then it's also just,
29:41and I say this all the time, these are truly a bootcamp for actors because it is like,
29:45you get two takes and you, it has helped me. Oh yeah. I can hit those deep emotional notes
29:50in the first two takes now, like without even thinking about it. Like it has helped me grow
29:54so much in that space of just getting you where you need to go quickly and also making some plot
29:59holes make sense and having fun with like getting, you get something and your job is to live it and
30:04make things make sense. And there, you know, there are some things you just, you just, I can justify
30:09anything at this point. I love that. I love that. Not taking it too seriously,
30:13but taking it serious enough to do a good job. But also like, you're playing make-believe.
30:17It's fun. Like these situations are wacky, zany. And some,
30:21would you live that way? Like whatever. Yeah. I think like, that's like such a big part of it.
30:28Like you, when, when you're seasoned and you're doing this a million times,
30:33you're not thinking about all of the stuff that everyone who isn't seasoned is thinking about.
30:37And then you see them struggling in a scene and you want to just help them. But yeah,
30:40you know, I think like when, when the director and the production kind of let you cook,
30:44like when they know like, oh, you've done a billion verticals, like you, you, you've done this a
30:48million times, you know what you're doing. I'm going to let you like do your thing.
30:52Well guys, I think we could maybe get a sneak peek of your first 10 episodes.
30:57Oh yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Oh my. Okay. We have not seen any of this. Oh my gosh.
31:01Is that it? I've been here too many times. I'm so excited.
31:04Oh yeah. I forgot. I have, I have an idea of what I think,
31:06but also I feel like it's going to be the opposite.
31:11Okay. Milk and eggs. All right. Milk.
31:14God, you're, you're standing so tall. You have to be careful.
31:16I'm tall. Oops. Oh, the silk shorts.
31:19They used the one where my foot hit the counter.
31:21You literally kicked the counter.
31:25Oh. Is this the first try?
31:27This is the first thing. They use the one where I'm grabbing your hair.
31:30Come on, mister. You shouldn't dress like this and make a grocery store.
31:34Oh, do it. Don't let me do it.
31:37Were you really driving here? I was actually driving, yeah.
31:39I'm actually driving.
31:45This scene hit me so hard. Oh my God, this one.
31:47Uh oh. Not a letter. No.
31:49A contract. No, this isn't real.
31:53Oh my God, my heart is breaking right now.
31:55Well, you left me. Nope. I'm single.
31:59Oh. Get on that app. Get on them apps.
32:03I'm single. She's just doing this.
32:05Fine on that Italian man. I'm wearing this right now.
32:08Oh. Oh. Cutie.
32:11Italy. Italy.
32:14That's where I walked. That's where I flew into.
32:16Oh, wow. The first thing we filmed.
32:17This is the very first scene we filmed.
32:19Oh. Oh, hottie.
32:21These were locals. They're so good.
32:22Yeah. Hey, bellissima.
32:24Bellissima.
32:26A beauty like you belongs in a beautiful place like this.
32:29So true. Hell yeah, brother.
32:34Oh. He saw the ass.
32:36He knew those cheeks.
32:37I said, that's my ass.
32:38She was like, I know that ass.
32:40I know that ass.
32:42You blew me off for the dungeon, huh?
32:44Oh, and this is where we had like a crowd of people watching.
32:46There's like people, like hundreds of people on each side.
32:49Yeah. There's a lot.
32:49Like being held off by production.
32:51Oh.
32:53Bite him, bite him, bite him, bite him.
32:54Oh, there he is.
32:56There he is.
32:57Diabolo.
32:58Diabolo.
32:59Are you sure you want to go in there?
32:59It's a dungeon.
33:00Well, it doesn't look like a dungeon.
33:02Oh, okay.
33:04That was like the living room of where we were staying.
33:06Oh, that was so cold this night.
33:08There you go.
33:09You know, I was there for five and a half days.
33:10Oh.
33:11Oh, he's close.
33:13Yeah, he's up close and personal.
33:15Bad things happen to good girls.
33:20Lucky for you, I like good girls.
33:25Is he zaddy?
33:27Oh yeah, I forgot he yanks you in by it.
33:28He yanks me.
33:29Oh, this part.
33:29Oh my god.
33:31I don't remember filming this.
33:32Oh, this is actually a really cool shot of the mirror.
33:34I look like a psycho.
33:47There looks like there's nothing behind my eyes.
33:48It looks like there's nothing behind your eyes.
33:49Was there nothing behind your eyes?
33:50There never is.
33:55First trial is behind devotion.
33:59Okay.
34:00Polka dot surprise.
34:04Did you actually use ice?
34:05Yes.
34:06Oh yeah.
34:06Wow.
34:08That was my stomach.
34:09Oh, sexy.
34:10It is hot.
34:12Is that the end?
34:15I'm going to keep watching.
34:16What the are we saying for?
34:17We need that.
34:18I'll pay real short.
34:22It looks so good.
34:23I'm so proud of you guys.
34:25Congratulations.
34:26Yay.
34:28I'm really excited to see the whole thing.
34:29For sure.
34:30I want to watch the whole thing now.
34:31I know.
34:32You can't tease us like that.
34:34This might sound bad.
34:35You took it away.
34:35I can say this.
34:36There's a lot of times I'll watch a vertical of mine and I'll get to episode two.
34:39I'm like, oh, Jesus Christ.
34:40Right.
34:41Right.
34:41For sure.
34:41Yeah.
34:42I know.
34:43And then I'm like, I want to keep watching.
34:46Yes.
34:46I want to watch all of this.
34:47That's exciting.
34:48And I feel like this kind of content, the way you guys shot this, will just keep elevating
34:53the game.
34:53So then this will do well.
34:54Then a lot of the other verticals have to do just as well.
34:57So it's exciting and I'm really proud of you guys.
34:59It looks really, really good.
35:01And you got to go to Italy.
35:02We got to go to Italy.
35:03Yeah.
35:03Take us back.
35:04Everybody.
35:05Yeah.
35:06Please bring us back.
35:07Please.
35:08Yes.
35:08Yes.
35:09Yes.
35:09Yes.
35:10I can't wait to do the premiere for this.
35:11I know.
35:11It's going to be fun.
35:12Because they're going to do like an actual like premiere like you would for a normal film.
35:16Okay.
35:16You know?
35:16And so that'll be fun too because you know what's funny is my mom was like, I want to come.
35:20I was like, no, you're not coming.
35:22No, my dad was like, I can't wait to watch your Italy wine.
35:25I was like, no, no, no, no.
35:26Oh, sir.
35:26No, sir.
35:27Your dad's going to show up in LA with a shotgun and he's going to be like, so you ever been to Texas?
35:33You're going to be like, yes, I did.
35:34Oh, yeah.
35:35Yeah.
35:35Not for mom and dad or the kids.
35:37My mom can watch it.
35:38My mom, I'm fine.
35:39Yeah.
35:40My dad cannot.
35:41Also, just even for your acting, just to be able to like, not have to run.
35:45Yeah, exactly.
35:45Just marinate, cook, do all the things that you sometimes don't get to do on a normal set.
35:50Yes.
35:50Take a breath.
35:51Really nice.
35:51And I like that.
35:52I don't know if this is going to be the full edit.
35:54Obviously, that was like maybe a first or second pass, but like they stayed on a shot for more
35:58than five seconds, which is breaking vertical code, right?
36:01Oh, yeah.
36:01But by doing that, you actually get to see the nuance because like, for example,
36:05when I was doing the red over your head, they stayed on your face for a solid like 10 seconds
36:10and you got to see the change happen within you versus you don't need to cut to me doing this.
36:15Yeah.
36:15You know, like that's not the, like it's implied by what's going on.
36:18So the fact that they stayed on you, I hope that that's how they leave it because you get to see
36:22her act in that moment.
36:23Yeah, which is really nice.
36:24But I mean, still though, we still only did one to two takes.
36:27Yeah, it was only one or two takes for everything.
36:28Yeah, yeah.
36:29But we were prepared and you know, we'd done this before.
36:31He still let us in those one to two takes just live.
36:34Yeah.
36:34Which was really nice.
36:35Oh, that's so great.
36:37Full moon features, everybody.
36:37Phenomenal.
36:38Full moon features.
36:39The first of many.
36:40Yeah.
36:41Yes.
36:41Amazing.
36:42Well, guys, I think that wraps us up today.
36:44Is there anything you want to say to the fans of where they can follow you?
36:48Just all the fun stuff.
36:49Yeah.
36:49So if the fans want to fund a watch party for the cast back in Italy, we would love that
36:54to be able to go back to the mansion.
36:56Yeah.
36:56We can give our Venmo's and our...
36:58Love.
36:58Love.
37:00No, we really hope you guys enjoy this as much as we, like you'll, I think you see
37:04in the performance, like you see how much fun we had.
37:06It was one of, both of our favorite projects to film.
37:09Yeah.
37:09Like everyone that's asked us, how was your experience in Italy?
37:12We've, I've, I've said it's one of like my top three filming experiences ever.
37:16Yeah.
37:16And, um, and you can see why.
37:19Yeah.
37:19Yeah.
37:20So yeah.
37:20Find us on Instagram.
37:21Um, I think most people probably already follow us.
37:23Yeah.
37:24Um, but thank you guys for watching.
37:26I mean, seriously, this is going to be a fun one.
37:27And I, I just hope you guys enjoy the different change of pace a little bit.
37:31All right.
37:31Thanks guys.
37:32See you soon.
37:33Bye guys.
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