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The "web of death" reveals the true extent of the UK's reliance on Russian money and the missed opportunities to prevent Putin's invasion of Ukraine.
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03:17Extraordinary mystery and has perplexed the public here for years
03:21The British people, it's Agatha Christie, love the whodunit
03:25Like, it's Colonel Plum in the lounge with a candlestick
03:30Gareth Williams worked as a codebreaker at MI6
03:34He apparently was investigating Russian money laundering networks
03:38In the months before his death
03:40And he was found dead in very suspicious circumstances
03:44Gareth's body had been placed inside a sports bag
03:49Which itself had been placed inside the bathtub of his apartment
03:53It had been padlocked from the outside
03:55And the key to the padlock was underneath his body, inside the bag
04:00I was contacted to attend the crime scene itself
04:04I'm quite small and flexible
04:07I was a similar size to Gareth Williams
04:09When I first saw the crime scene, I thought it was quite overwhelming
04:13I expected to see a very untidy area and lots of struggle
04:18But there was no signs of struggle anywhere within the flat
04:22Everything had been forensically examined
04:25There was not a mark of Gareth's fingerprints on the padlock, the bath, the shower screen
04:31It's impossible to live in a flat
04:34And not to leave your fingerprints and your DNA and forensic traces all over it
04:39Another suspicious factor is the heating in the flat had been turned up close enough
04:44The maximum, even though it was mid-August
04:46Which meant that his body was so badly decomposed by the time it was found
04:50That it was impossible to run any particular toxicology tests to determine whether he'd been poisoned
04:56Or really to determine his actual cause of death
04:58MI6 hadn't raised the alarm
05:01Despite the fact that Gareth had been missing from work
05:03It was about a week before someone actually decided to visit his flat
05:09Theoretically, this is possible to do
05:15I think it is more likely that Gareth was on his own at the time of his death
05:19I was asked to recreate various scenarios
05:25I spent hundreds of attempts to actually get in the bag
05:31You can't achieve getting into the bag or the bath without leaving a trace of fingerprints and DNA
05:45The idea that he had climbed into a sports bag
05:54I zipped the sports bag up.
05:56Padlocked it from the outside
05:58Locked the key underneath his own body
06:01And then perished
06:03Really beggars belief
06:05I have to say I thought the investigation did their level best to really get to the bottom of this
06:17And I don't know if people do connect this case to Russians or international espionage
06:22I mean, that is
06:24One or two individuals might do
06:26Buzzfeed might do, investigative journalists might do
06:29I'm not decrying any of their investigative work and what their conclusions they draw
06:33But I don't know if that's a broader opinion
06:35From my perspective, a police investigation perspective
06:39And what we looked at
06:41There was no evidence to suggest that the Russians are involved in Gareth's death
06:45Until we have further evidence and more information coming in
06:49It could be either of those
06:50I was a police officer in London for nearly 40 years
06:54And I served as a detective in all ranks up until Detective Chief Superintendent
06:58And my last years were with the Major Crime Homicide Command
07:02In the case of Gareth Williams
07:04All the property was secured by us for over a week
07:08Whilst a forensic examination was conducted
07:12And fingerprinting and infrared light and a whole load of other tests
07:16The absence of fingerprints is observed on as being suspicious
07:23Well, in one way, yes, it could be
07:26That if someone has evidence of it being cleaned up or cleared up
07:29There isn't any real evidence of that
07:32I'm more inclined to believe it was a death by misadventure
07:36And he was on his own when the event occurred
07:40And he placed himself in the bag
07:41And he died while in the bag.
07:44I know the expert reported that he couldn't do it
07:48And the videos were shown at the coroner's inquest of him attempting it
07:52And it wasn't possible
07:53But subsequently, another expert demonstrated it could be done
07:59By going in, inserting the toggles in a particular way
08:03You could do it
08:04And I understand that BuzzFeed introduces Gareth's death as yet another example
08:11Drawing a correlation and link over a series of deaths that occurred in the United Kingdom
08:15But I have no evidence of that
08:18I wouldn't make any claim to such a suggestion at all
08:21He was an employee of the Government Intelligence Service
08:25Who engaged in many activities
08:27But to then place his death at the door of a foreign state
08:33Exjudicial killing
08:35It's a big leap.
08:38I don't think there's anything wrong with the investigations done
08:41What is unsavory and unsatisfactory is
08:43Despite that extensive inquiry
08:46Not every death can be explained satisfactorily or easily
08:53Because there's a gap in our knowledge of what actually took place
08:58And within that gap
09:00Allows people to speculate
09:02Quite widely
09:04On what happened
09:06So what do you make of BuzzFeed's theory
09:12That 14 people, including Scott
09:15Might have been murdered on British soil by Russians
09:18A theory is not factual evidence
09:21Yes, there's a couple of Russians that have been found dead on British soil
09:27But BuzzFeed cannot prove that this was Russians that murdered Scott
09:34And I believe if any other inquiry was opened up
09:37It would open up the whole case
09:40So, as a family, we, you know, we can't rest in peace
09:45Because we don't know the truth
09:46We've been left in limbo
09:48My daughters didn't want me to do this interview with you
09:53And I'm actually honored
09:55And I believe you all do your very best
09:58To tell the truth
10:00I don't know why Michelle feels that
10:25I know that she has adopted different viewpoints
10:29You know, at different times
10:30About what might have happened
10:32But I just know that what we have in the documents
10:35It's highly compelling.
10:36And he's at the center of a web of individuals
10:39Who are all connected
10:40That's really the thrust of our story
10:42You know, over the years
10:46The amount of people who've been in touch with me
10:48It has been absolutely amazing.
10:49You know, I've had private investigator phones
10:53Letters from lawyers
10:55Yeah
10:55And people chasing assets
10:58Yeah
10:58Not one person
11:01Not one person
11:03Has actually found anything of any significance
11:06Supposedly, Berezovsky was murdered
11:12Scott was murdered
11:14I don't think that was the case at all
11:18I think it's just been a set of circumstances
11:21Which just fits
11:22The door was locked
11:25And there was no signs of a forced entry
11:27And it was locked from the inside
11:29Do I believe that he was thrown out of the window?
11:36I don't think so
11:37I mean, no
11:39Do I believe that he intended to commit suicide?
11:43Maybe yes, maybe no
11:45Maybe he just slipped on the ledge
11:46I don't know
11:47Is the answer
11:48So you made no sense.
11:51That anyone in the Kremlin
11:52Or Vladimir Putin
11:54Was enraged
11:54Because of Scott's relationship
11:56With Boris Berezovsky?
12:00I have absolutely no
12:02No idea whatsoever
12:03You've got sensationalist articles
12:07It has been written about this.
12:08For years and years and years
12:09It keeps on getting dragged up
12:11Again and again and again
12:12But do I believe
12:15That he was
12:15Let's put it bluntly
12:16Bumped off by
12:17You know
12:18Russian mobsters
12:19Node
12:20With a capital N
12:22Node
12:23How do you respond to any criticism
12:25Who says you guys are grasping at straws?
12:27You're stringing things together
12:28That aren't connected
12:29Yeah
12:30Yeah
12:31So and I think
12:32Look
12:32I think that's a reasonable question
12:35People might look and say
12:38This story's insane
12:39You've just done like
12:41You know
12:41You're just connecting the dots.
12:42Like
12:43It doesn't make any sense
12:45This is so serious
12:46The US intelligence community
12:48Was drawing up a report
12:49About these people
12:50And assessing the likelihood
12:52Of Kremlin involvement
12:54In their deaths
12:55Do you believe that the Russian state
12:59Has sanctioned
13:00Or been able to murder people
13:02On British soil?
13:06Well
13:07There is no need to believe
13:10If you know for sure
13:11These are the London offices
13:18Of ex MI6 officer
13:20Christopher Steele
13:21Who compiled the Donald Trump dossier
13:23Which contains unverified allegations
13:26That Russian security officials
13:28Have compromising material
13:30On the president-elect
13:31The dossier that Christopher Steele produced
13:34Became sort of political fucker
13:36In the United States
13:37When you read the Steele report
13:39It by no means
13:40That's what we would call it.
13:41Finished intelligence
13:42It was a variety of sources
13:43With a variety of levels of access
13:45And a variety of levels of trust
13:47By Mr. Steele
13:48Federal prosecutors
13:50Have laid out
13:50A clearer picture
13:51Of flimsy
13:52And potentially biased sourcing
13:54In the dossier
13:55Steele has defended his work
13:57Claiming it was raw intelligence
13:59That needed further vetting
14:01But that his sources were solid
14:03To a professional
14:05To someone who's been in Moscow
14:06Who's worked on Russian intelligence issues
14:08The information in the dossier
14:10In the reports
14:11It was certainly consistent
14:12With the kind of activities
14:15That Russian intelligence
14:16Gets involved in
14:18You know if you wanted
14:22A crude answer for me
14:23About those 14 deaths
14:25My guess would be
14:26Probably two-thirds of them
14:29Were linked to Russia
14:31And half of those
14:32Were linked to the Russian government
14:34One of the problems
14:37That we all have
14:37In assessing these suspicious deaths
14:39Is that what you're dealing with?
14:41With an environment
14:42Which is totally unlike
14:43Our own society
14:44The Kremlin
14:46The Kremlin doesn't have
14:48As all-encompassing control
14:51Over these things
14:52As people might imagine
14:54In Russia
14:55You have an overlapping morass
14:57Between the Kremlin
14:59The intelligence services
15:01Business oligarchs
15:02And organized crime
15:03And so when you look
15:04At any one of these
15:05It's really quite difficult
15:07To assess
15:08The true motivation
15:09That might have been
15:10Behind one of these
15:11Suspicious deaths
15:12Clearly there are cases
15:14Which are very clear cut
15:15Like Litvinenko
15:17Where are you?
15:17Looking at something
15:19Very unusual
15:20An unusual methodology
15:21And so on
15:22In a case like
15:24Berezovsky
15:25There are any number
15:25Of explanations
15:26As to what it might be
15:27There's not an obvious
15:29State motivation
15:32You know you're at
15:36This kind of interface
15:37Between oligarchs
15:39The Kremlin
15:39And the intelligence services
15:41All in a kind of
15:42Overlapping
15:43Indistinct structure
15:46When we first published
15:52It was honestly gutting
15:53That it barely made
15:55A ripple
15:55And it was only
15:57When Skripal happened
15:59Everything changed
16:01Overnight
16:02Tonight
16:03Sergei and Yulia Skripal
16:05Are in a critical
16:06Condition in hospital
16:07Here in Salisbury
16:08In the case of
16:10Sergei and Yulia Skripal
16:12The former Russian spy
16:13And his daughter
16:14Who were poisoned
16:15On the streets of Salisbury
16:16The Russian state
16:17Has targeted
16:18A defector
16:19And his daughter
16:19And they've used
16:21The Soviet nerve agent
16:22Novichok
16:23To target those two people
16:25Thereby indiscriminately
16:26Exposing hundreds of members
16:29Of the British public
16:29To an internationally
16:31Outlawed weapon of war
16:32A weapon of mass destruction
16:33And then not only that
16:35The poison
16:36It was picked up
16:37By two poor unsuspecting people
16:39Who went bin diving for stuff
16:41And one of them died
16:42And then
16:44Only when that happened
16:45That entire insane
16:46Like sequence
16:47Of tragic events
16:48Did people look at our stories
16:50And go
16:50Oh my god
16:51They're right
16:52And it was so bizarre
16:53Nobody listened
16:54Skripal happened
16:56And we saw the results
16:57Of our reporting
16:58Just being copied out
17:00Everywhere
17:00By other news services
17:02Journalist Heidi Blake
17:13Believes the Russian state
17:14Could potentially be behind
17:16Many more deaths
17:18In the UK
17:18The foreign secretary
17:24Rightly said
17:25That no attempt
17:26On an innocent life
17:27On our soil
17:28Should go uninvestigated
17:29Or unpunished
17:30But what about the 14 cases
17:33Where the UK authorities
17:34In many of these cases
17:35Have concluded
17:36That these were suicides
17:38Despite the fact
17:39That there has now been
17:40Considerable reported evidence
17:42Including in the Buzzfeed report
17:44Of further evidence
17:46That cast serious doubt
17:47Based on those conclusions
17:48And there are serious questions
17:50About whether the police investigations
17:52Were thorough enough
17:53I must say
17:55That the right honorable lady
17:56That's perfectly right.
17:58There are a number
17:59Of deeply troubling
18:00Cases
18:01Binta Peripatulni
18:02For instance
18:03And to the best
18:04To our knowledge
18:05There is no further
18:06Evidence that points
18:08In the direction
18:09Of criminality
18:11But I think
18:12What she says
18:13It is very important
18:13And we will
18:15Certainly follow it up
18:16And I will certainly
18:17Have that discussion
18:18With the home secretary
18:19It was looked at
18:25Because the police
18:25Were ordered to do a review
18:26Into a lot of the deaths
18:28We reported on
18:29They were just like
18:34Yeah
18:34There's nothing going on
18:36But it was fascinating
18:36Because after that
18:38It then came up
18:38In the Russia report
18:39You know
18:40There was a big report
18:41Into Russia
18:42And there was a section
18:42Within it
18:43On suspicious deaths
18:45That were linked to Russia
18:46Mr. Dominic Grieve
18:48When the intelligence and security
18:50Committee of parliament
18:51Was reformed
18:52We announced immediately
18:54That one of our priorities
18:56Was to carry out
18:57An inquiry
18:58Into Russia's covert activities
19:00And whether we had
19:02The appropriate responses
19:03To it
19:04The intelligence and security
19:07Committee of parliament
19:08Decided to carry out
19:09An inquiry into Russia
19:10We wanted to look across
19:12The full spectrum
19:13Of Russia's activities
19:14Rather than publishing
19:15An inquiry
19:16With very substantial essays
19:17We decided to publish
19:19A report
19:19Which had as few
19:21Redactions as possible
19:22But I'm afraid
19:25You will find
19:26If you read the report
19:27That significant parts
19:29Of it are redacted
19:30And in the circumstances
19:31I can't comment
19:32Further on that
19:34Clearly
19:36There was some material
19:38In the report
19:39That might have been
19:40Of embarrassment
19:42To a government
19:42In the run-up
19:43To a general election
19:44We then got the explanation
19:46And unfortunately
19:47There was a lot to look at
19:49There was no possibility
19:51Of it being published
19:52Before the general election
19:53Was called
19:53Well, those explanations.
19:57Were I described them
19:58At the time
19:58As bogus
19:59And that's what they were
20:02They were simply
20:03Not credible
20:04Now that suggests
20:05A degree of control
20:06Freakery
20:07By the Johnson government
20:09And that may simply be
20:11The best explanation
20:12On offer
20:13As to why it behaved
20:15In this strange fashion
20:16So I want to ask
20:17The prime minister
20:17About the extremely
20:18Serious report
20:19By the intelligence
20:20And security committee
20:22It concludes
20:23That Russia poses
20:24An immediate
20:25And urgent threat
20:27To our national security
20:28The prime minister
20:29Received that report
20:30Ten months ago
20:31Given that the threat
20:33It is described as
20:34Immediate
20:34And urgent
20:35Why on Earth
20:36Did the prime minister
20:37Sit on that report
20:38For so long
20:39Well, Mr. Speaker
20:41Actually when I was
20:43Foreign Secretary
20:44For the period
20:44That I'd been
20:45In office
20:46We'd been taking
20:47The strongest possible action
20:48Against Russian
20:49Wrongdoings
20:50Were these cases
20:52Reopened as a result
20:53Of this report?
20:55Not as far as I'm aware
20:57If you just wait a moment
20:58I'll just go
20:59And get my copy
21:00Of the report
21:01You may have read it
21:02But as it's just a hand
21:04Let's just have a look
21:05Yeah
21:13Here we are
21:15It's perfectly
21:18Clearly laid out
21:19It says that
21:20We made an inquiry.
21:21We received a reply
21:23By the
21:25Intelligence agencies
21:27But it's not one
21:28Which I can share with you
21:29What is that reply?
21:32Is redacted out
21:33And that's
21:35As far as I can go
21:36To answer your question
21:37So essentially
21:39That's as far as
21:40The British government
21:41Will go
21:41To answering that question
21:43Yes
21:44It's
21:45The view that was taken
21:47That was
21:49It had to
21:50The answer
21:50That was given
21:52It had to be redacted.
21:54Because of national security
21:55Implications
21:56And it had to be based
21:57Based on those criteria
21:58Make that quite clear
22:00Part of the reason
22:04That the UK
22:05I didn't want to
22:06Turn this into
22:08An international scandal
22:09It's because they
22:10Didn't want to
22:11Poke the bear
22:12Russia
22:13You've got trillions
22:16In deals
22:17Coming into the country
22:18From Russia
22:19Money can buy you
22:22Impunity
22:23Which frankly
22:24I find
22:24Quite terrifying
22:26London is levitating
22:30On a sea of dirty money
22:32I've brought this
22:35To the attention
22:35Of
22:36All sorts of regulators
22:38Government officials
22:40Parliamentary committees
22:42And there have been
22:43No consequences
22:43Why has there been
22:45No consequences
22:46Because
22:47There are so many people
22:48Benefiting from it
22:49There was a point
22:52At which
22:53Putin could have been
22:54Stopped
22:55But
22:55For the last
22:56A couple of decades
22:57Western leaders
22:58Were getting
22:59Further and further
23:00Into bed with Putin
23:01Rather than
23:02Distancing ourselves
23:03From Vladimir Putin's government
23:05In the western world
23:15It's going through
23:16A period of a crisis
23:18Of confidence
23:19And legitimacy
23:19For all kinds of
23:20Different reasons
23:21And this provides the Russians
23:22With an opportunity
23:23What they do
23:26Is precisely to take advantage
23:28Of those flaws
23:29Those cracks
23:30In the system
23:31Those are already there.
23:32And insert a crowbar
23:33And see how much
23:34They can leverage it
23:36Open all the more
23:37Russia's stance
23:40It has become more
23:40And more menacing
23:41More and more aggressive
23:42In plain sight
23:43Of the British authorities
23:45Putin had to be stopped
23:48After Litvinenko's death
23:50And he had to be stopped
23:52When he seized Crimea
23:53And what happened?
23:56Nothing
23:57Russia has invaded Ukraine
24:01He felt that he could do
24:04Whatever he wants
24:05It is already Europe's worst
24:13Refugee crisis
24:14Since the Second World War
24:16Putin wants his enemies
24:21To know
24:22That if you anger him
24:24If you betray the motherlands
24:26There is no safe place for you
24:31Wherever you are
24:33His assassins will hunt you down
24:35There is no room
24:38For the British government
24:40To ignore what has happened
24:42On British soil
24:43And what we see now
24:45Are the consequences
24:46Of that failure
24:46To take a firm line
24:48The West has an enemy
24:51A very serious enemy
24:53A very aggressive enemy
24:55And the enemy
24:57Which is not restricted
24:59Or contained by anything
25:01If you don't understand that
25:04It's time now
25:05To fight back
25:06Then when you start to understand this
25:10Maybe to wait
25:36A very strict politician
25:42Of what could you say
25:42If you don't understand that
25:43Then when you go down
25:44It's time now
25:46To steal ihan
25:47To get out
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