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00:00I'm about to win big, and when I do, I won't just pay my debts off, I'll pay those two.
00:04Just give me one more hand. I can pay you.
00:07Hey, Colin, lovely to see you, Beau.
00:09Good to see you, Jay.
00:09So let's dive right into the character, Lord Doyle, who is his worst own enemy, I think it's fair to say.
00:14Yeah.
00:14He's a guy who constantly pushes himself to the precipice, and he's an addict for excess, is that fair to say?
00:20Yeah.
00:20So, like, how do you as an actor mentally prepare yourself for someone who is just constantly, annoyingly, pushing himself to those limits?
00:25Just take what's on the page and run with it over, I suppose, a process of days and weeks where you're reading it and reading it and thinking of it and talking to Ed about it and comparing notes and thoughts and ideas and questions and queries and curiosities and agitations, and that's it, really.
00:39And then you meet Lissy Crystal, and she shows you the costume, and you go, holy shit, I'm wearing what?
00:44But you go with it because you know how deeply inside the script she is as well, and the vision she has is so wonderful and beautiful and grounded in a certain truth that she feels about the character.
00:53So you give your character to the costumer, and the costumer gives the character back to you, and it's richer than it was when you gave it to her.
00:58You know, in many ways, it's a singular process as an actor, but it's also a really communal one at the same time.
01:04How do you direct this? I mean, and how then do you respond to that?
01:07I mean, it's...
01:07By that time, we'd probably shot five weeks or so already, and so we had a very good sort of shorthand.
01:13We were well-used to each other.
01:14We got to know each other, we got to know the role, and not that we know exactly what it is, but you get an inkling of, let's head in this direction.
01:23And I remember, I think on the day, I started with the close-ups, which you not always do, because you want to establish the scene, the lighting and everything, and slowly get...
01:33But I knew this one was going to be difficult for him, especially waste all his energy in the wide shots.
01:40And probably also, but I knew, like, he was concentrated.
01:42I felt that there was concentration in the room.
01:45Which was rare.
01:46There was no joking around.
01:47Again, it's a collaboration between me, him, the cameraman, and many other people, and so I remember saying, you know, Danny and you kind of going, like, what do you think you're going to do?
01:58And Colin was like, I don't know, I'm going to grab the champagne, and I think I'm definitely going to go for this.
02:04And then he said, okay, great.
02:05And then we just said, go.
02:06And we did one take only for every set-up.
02:10Really?
02:10Because there was too much to eat, you know, and you want to preserve a little bit of energy.
02:14I think it was just as hard on Danny as well, not to keep on going on about it, but...
02:17Oh, he couldn't.
02:18Danny, the camera operator, do you know what I mean?
02:20He was down on his honkers, you know, right in there with me and trying to capture everything.
02:26And then he'd miss something by what he perceived.
02:28He missed it by half an inch.
02:29Danny, and he'd be kicking himself, and he'd be going, oh, God, I don't want to ask him to go again.
02:33And he knew, like, I'm not going to do another one, you know.
02:36It's crazy.
02:36What was your favourite bit of food that you ate?
02:38Oh, none of it.
02:39It was all bread.
02:41Lobster, gateau, cake.
02:42Oh, you were making me want to reach.
02:43Bread and butter.
02:44It was amazing.
02:45Oh, yeah, yeah.
02:45It wasn't too horrible, though.
02:47I mean, by lunch, I'd had about 10,000 calories.
02:50As it's an addition to the pantheon of gambling films, I was just wondering if there's any kind of moment
02:55that lingers in your memory of when you were in over your head and you had to bluff your way through.
03:00I don't know.
03:00It all feels like bluffing.
03:02It's like bluffing.
03:03Berger says he's a bullshitter.
03:05You never know.
03:06You're never sure.
03:07But the best thing is actually to not bluff there in that moment.
03:10To say, like, you know what, Colin, I'm not sure.
03:12Why don't we, like, talk about it and find it together and just try it?
03:17Is it just kind of like, like, kind of having the fear of the unknown but just, like, kind of embracing it?
03:23You know, you have an idea and you have a kind of a context for what you believe you're doing
03:27but you don't know what the details of it are or what they were right or wrong.
03:30You know, there's no such right or wrong.
03:31And then the life of a film after its release, completely out of your hands.
03:34Oh, my God, yeah.
03:36I was looking for your filmography, Colin, and there's a lot of films there that didn't get there due at the time
03:40which are being reappraised now.
03:42Really?
03:42Yeah, I think so.
03:43One of them.
03:44I think it was Miami Vice.
03:45Man.
03:45Is that what you were going to say?
03:46I re-watched it last week.
03:47How was it?
03:48It was even better than I remembered it being.
03:50I liked it but it got a bit.
03:51That got slapped around a bit.
03:52But it's a bink on it.
03:54You yourself said you weren't the biggest fan of it at the time.
03:56I had a certain banter with Jamie off camera that I know the tone of the film wouldn't have allowed that degree of banter
04:03but I would have loved to have just a little bit more of the banter.
04:05It was never going to be Lethal Weapon but just a little bit more of the banter that we had.
04:09That was my biggest misgiving with the film
04:11but I have very little objectivity about the things that I do.
04:14But the only reason I bring it up is that before you got the chance
04:17it was because I had heard from someone that people were like
04:19you know what people know
04:20because it got slapped around at the time.
04:22Yeah, you go on Letterboxd and it's like five stars everywhere.
04:27No way, really?
04:28Yeah, it's crazy.
04:29That's cool.
04:29Edward, your films, they are
04:31I think it's fair to say they're quite claustrophobic films
04:34the stuff you do
04:35but also total immersion in different environments
04:38different times and places.
04:41So I like that.
04:42We never know what we're going to get from an Edward Berger film.
04:44Good.
04:45Yeah, which must be great for you.
04:47So that's exciting for us as film goes
04:49but for you, what are the prerequisites when you come to picking what you're going to do next?
04:54In the past, what's always interested me is really that single subjective perspective
05:01be it Rafe in Conclave or Colin in this movie or Felix in All Quiet
05:05they're all like single focus movies
05:08you know, like running through this story with Colin
05:11that's what interests me
05:12because that gives me the opportunity
05:14to put ideally
05:16or to go on this journey with him
05:18you know, and to put you in his shoes
05:20and see life through his eyes for two hours
05:22and take you to a different world
05:24whatever that world may be
05:25it needs to feel like an adventure
05:27a journey that I can go on
05:28something that fulfills my curiosity
05:30and my hunger for knowledge
05:32and fear of the unknown
05:33that's also something, you know
05:34Social structure as well
05:36Yeah, absolutely
05:37social structure
05:38and they're all in search of peace
05:40they're all in search of arriving somewhere
05:42finding a home
05:44That is so true
05:44and there's a through line
05:46are you aware of this through line?
05:48I wasn't
05:48I'm only like
05:49when you ask me the question
05:50I'm kind of starting to think
05:51what would they have in common?
05:53but when you pick him
05:54or when you shape him
05:56and when you talk about it
05:57it's kind of just something
05:59that sort of speaks to you
06:01but you don't go and analyse
06:03oh, I could talk about
06:04I'm finding a home
06:06I wonder what this means
06:07yeah
06:08is there any links between
06:09any of your characters
06:10or any themes
06:11that have kind of presented themselves
06:12over the years
06:12where you're like
06:13actually I do play
06:14certain
06:15I do pick certain roles
06:16that kind of have this or that
06:18No, I think the only
06:19pattern that I feel
06:21at the whim of
06:23is
06:24just
06:24doing things
06:25that I feel
06:26I haven't
06:27done before
06:28looking at characters
06:29I feel I haven't had the chance
06:30to look at before
06:31just that
06:31but even that's not
06:32as an intellectual construct
06:33it's not like
06:34I'm looking at something
06:35to do that's different from this
06:37because I don't even know
06:37what this is
06:38so I wouldn't know
06:38where to start
06:39but it's just
06:40I lean into something
06:42if it's unfamiliar
06:43Do you have any idea
06:44where's next?
06:45No, I haven't a clue
06:46gainful unemployment
06:47Is that for you
06:49quite freeing
06:50because you know
06:50it will come
06:50but it will come
06:51in its own time?
06:52No, I'm just really excited now
06:53we've done a few film festivals
06:56with ballads
06:57and we've been on the press
06:59now
07:00I've got about 12 more days
07:02not that I'm counting
07:03of press on this
07:04and then
07:05any publicists
07:06is laughing in the corner
07:07and then I just know
07:08I have
07:09I have nothing lined up
07:10so I don't know
07:11what I'm doing
07:12and what I do know
07:13what I'm doing
07:14is I'm going home
07:14and I'm just going
07:15to be around my kids
07:16do a couple of road trips
07:18go to the cinema
07:19read a book
07:20go and hike
07:21go run
07:22like just that
07:23so I have no idea
07:25what I'm going to do
07:25and I'm not
07:26comfortable thinking
07:27it'll present itself
07:28nor am I going
07:29yeah
07:30neither
07:31I know one thing
07:31you're going to do
07:32you're going to re-watch
07:32Miami Vice
07:33I can tell you one thing
07:35I'm not going to do
07:36do you not like
07:37re-watching the film
07:37no
07:38I mean
07:39someday
07:39when I'm a little bit
07:41more over the hill
07:42I've had one
07:43credit from your back catalogue
07:45I don't say film
07:45because it is a TV show
07:46that I think was
07:47unfairly maligned
07:48was Drew Detective
07:49your season of it
07:51it was great
07:52it got battered
07:54it got totally done in
07:55by the critics
07:55battered yeah
07:56that's one of the
07:58kicks in the arse
07:59I refer to
07:59yeah which is
08:00you know
08:00it's grand
08:01you take it on the chin
08:02no
08:03no
08:04you just lick your wounds
08:05and you
08:06do you know what I mean
08:07whatever
08:07yeah because the experience is
08:09it's really about the doing
08:11and then
08:12while I have a very real respect
08:15for people's time
08:16and the last thing you want to do
08:17is bore people
08:17and life is very precious
08:18and the last thing you want to do
08:19is have anyone see something
08:20that you took two months to do
08:22with a bunch of fantastic people
08:24and spend two hours on it
08:25and be bored
08:26or feel like they waste their time
08:27having said that
08:28the purity of the experience
08:29of telling stories
08:30is in the telling of it
08:33with a collective of people
08:34with other actors and actresses
08:35and crew members
08:35and your director and stuff
08:36he has a longer process
08:38then he goes into the edit
08:39and he reshapes
08:40and he whittles
08:40and he forms
08:41and he sculpts
08:42so he has longer on it of course
08:43but for me
08:45you just remember
08:46you're fooled into wanting reception
08:48which is understandable enough
08:49of course
08:49again you want people to
08:51think what you did is alright
08:52and find some entertainment
08:53or some connection
08:54but the true juice
08:56is really in bringing these things
08:58to life
08:58so that's a long winded way
09:00of saying
09:01I did
09:02I was a bit
09:03a true detective
09:04and then you move on
09:05because I did have a great experience
09:06I loved
09:07what was the character's name
09:08Ray Valcoro
09:09I loved that character
09:10I loved
09:11loved
09:12loved playing Ray Valcoro
09:14he was an animal
09:15but he was a decent man
09:17beneath a lot of despicable shit
09:19and
09:19yeah
09:20it was grimy
09:21it was like Abel Ferrara
09:22David Lynch
09:23it was
09:24yeah
09:24it was twisted and bent
09:25and all over the place
09:27it wasn't as linear as
09:28the wonderful subsequent seasons
09:30and the season that went before it
09:32it was a little bit
09:33it was a little bit dreamier
09:34absolutely
09:34yeah
09:35it was great
09:35and Nick Pizzolatto's an extraordinary talent
09:38an extraordinary writer
09:39did you ever read his book Galveston?
09:40no
09:41should I?
09:42yeah
09:42it was his first novel
09:43Nick's
09:44yeah Galveston
09:45it's worth a read
09:45I'll add that to the list
09:47the growing list
09:48yeah me too
09:48guys I think that's all I've got time for
09:50cheers man
09:50thank you so much
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