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00:01Good morning, everybody.
00:02Stéphane Molyneux, 26th of October, 2025.
00:07Hope you're doing well, 11 a.m.
00:11As a donor show, but I thought we'd start GenPop General Population,
00:18and then we will head over to Locals, freedom.locals.com to join.
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00:31All right.
00:33Everything's recording.
00:34Yes.
00:35Somebody wrote the concept.
00:37I asked the donors, what would you like to talk about today?
00:40And, of course, I'd be happy to text questions.
00:42Also, if you have questions on X, you can do that as well.
00:49The concept of gas lighting and its association with the suppression of anger
00:54as well as self-doubt, and the effects of continued gas lighting on memory
00:58in terms of the relationship with oneself and others.
01:01Also, the relationship of feigning of innocence and or helplessness
01:04and gas lighting, particularly in the context of personal relationships.
01:08But also, how to best deal or not with co-workers who gas light.
01:12So, gas lighting is extremely evil.
01:18It's an extremely nasty, nasty, vicious, underhanded topic.
01:28It's essentially predatory.
01:31So, we will talk about that.
01:36Happy to take your questions.
01:38The questions are only available at the moment on X.
01:40I don't think the other platforms do it as well.
01:44I don't know what goes on with locals if we try that.
01:46Probably nothing good, I think.
01:49But, oh, thank you very much for your kind thoughts and wishes.
01:53I appreciate that.
01:55So, gas lighting, as I'm sure you know,
01:57the term comes from an old movie called Gas Light,
02:00where a man is married to a woman.
02:02I think he's married.
02:03He tries to drive her crazy.
02:05He moves pictures and then says,
02:07no, that's how they've always been.
02:08He moves stuff around.
02:09He changes stories.
02:10He just continually tries to disassemble her own sense of reality
02:15and for some nefarious purpose to do with money or, I think, finance or inherent.
02:21I don't know.
02:22I don't remember the details in particular,
02:24but it is basically when you assert things that are true that are false
02:30or you assert things that are false that are true.
02:33I never said that.
02:34I never said that, right?
02:35That's why I love it when my debates are recorded.
02:39I love the fact, love, love, love the fact that these conversations are recorded
02:45because then you can actually go back and people who said,
02:47well, I never said that, you know, they're wrong.
02:51So, what's the problem with gas lighting?
02:54So, listen, the gas lighting is not, let's just talk about what it's not.
02:57So, gas lighting is not just when you have a different memory of things, right?
03:01Well, it's a Justin Trudeau when he was in conflict with some woman.
03:05Didn't say she was a liar.
03:06Didn't say because I guess he talked to his lawyers.
03:09And so, he said, I have a different recollection of the events or something like that.
03:14You know, it's something that is not going to get him in legal trouble
03:17because apparently it's fine if you have no conscience.
03:20But anyway, so gas lighting isn't when you just remember things differently
03:24or have a different perspective or a different opinion or something like that.
03:28Gas lighting is when you knowingly contradict someone else
03:36or you refuse to listen to their good case
03:39or you refuse to even admit the possibility that they might be right, right?
03:48So, if somebody says, you're in a relationship and somebody says,
03:51oh, that time when you threw the glass against the wall
03:54or the time when you punched the wall or something like that, right?
04:00Now, that's a thing you would remember, right?
04:03You would remember that as a whole.
04:08So, if you say that, that never happened, right?
04:13It's a little tough if you punch the wall, right?
04:15Because there's a hole in the wall or there's a repair.
04:18Oh, you know, I just fell.
04:19My elbow went against the wall.
04:20You're misremembering or something like that.
04:22Or that hole was already there when we moved in.
04:25Or I never say, oh, that time when you threw that coffee mug against the wall.
04:32It's like, that never happened.
04:34Well, where's the coffee mug?
04:35Well, I mean, I remember dropping it.
04:38I remember dropping it, but I don't.
04:40I mean, I never threw it against.
04:41So, when you refuse to even accept the possibility, right?
04:47So, if somebody says, you threw the cup against the wall, the mug against the wall, and you
04:53said, that never happened.
04:54That's gaslighting.
04:57Now, even if, but it's interesting because even if you didn't do it, you still need to
05:02say, oh, I don't remember that.
05:04But, you know, tell me, what do you remember?
05:06Right?
05:06So, when you're curious, like, when you just blanket assert, something never happened.
05:11Again, and you're not, I know people go, well, you in debates, right?
05:14I get all of that, right?
05:15But we're talking about when you are blanket dismissing somebody else's perspective in a
05:24personal relationship.
05:25Or it could be a work relationship because the question is around the work relationship.
05:29So, if my wife says, when you did X, and I don't remember doing X, be like, I don't recall
05:37that, but tell me what you remember.
05:38Tell me what you think, right?
05:40And then, oftentimes, she will remind me, and I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, that was right,
05:47you know.
05:47Have I ever been to this town before?
05:49Like, that's the age you get.
05:51I've been so many places.
05:53Have I been to this town before?
05:55Yes.
05:55I don't remember it.
05:56And then, you know, five minutes later, oh, yeah, yeah, I remember this door.
06:00So, it is when you just blanket dismiss.
06:03So, gaslighting relies on two things that are very important in relationship, and it exploits
06:12them.
06:14And just hit me with a Y if you've ever been gaslit.
06:18Hopefully, not over the course of this conversation.
06:20Hit me with a Y if you've ever been gaslit.
06:22And if you could give me any details about that, that would be great.
06:26Oh, let me just see here.
06:30I've got a message from Dear James.
06:36Hopefully, it's not a message about, can't hear it, me.
06:39Let us find out.
06:41Do, do, do, do, do, do, do.
06:45Yeah, just in general.
06:46If it's working.
06:47Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
06:52Just let me know if there's a problem.
06:54Otherwise, I have my glasses off.
06:56I can't read what you're reading.
06:57I don't know if there's a problem.
06:58So, that's fine.
06:59All right.
06:59So, there's two things that are exploited in gaslighting.
07:06Number one is trust.
07:09We need to have trust in a relationship.
07:11The trust should be earned, of course.
07:12We need to have trust in a relationship.
07:14So, the first thing that's exploited is trust.
07:19So, if, you know, if my wife has a better memory for things than I do.
07:24She just, she always has.
07:25I think it's a female thing.
07:27We were just joking about this as a part of my novel where Helen's boss says to her,
07:33ah, it was over 10 years ago.
07:36And she's like, it was 13 years.
07:38So, I'm like, yeah, but at some point in the past, something happened.
07:42And my wife, they're like, bing, bing, bing, bing.
07:43She remembers everything.
07:45It's remarkable.
07:46It's a feat of prodigious memory.
07:50It is, to me, it's like watching those half-autistic Indian kids who can multiply 19 numbers in their heads
07:55or something like that.
07:56It's just an amazing thing for me that she can do that, but she can.
08:00And so, I trust her.
08:01When she remembers stuff, I'm like, yeah, I trust her.
08:04So, trust is one of the things that gets exploited.
08:09And the other thing that gets exploited is, it's hard to say whether it's humility or insecurity.
08:18My wife is right about a bunch of stuff that I don't remember.
08:25And every year or two, we go through this exercise of like, hey, whatever happened to,
08:30this guy that I used to be in contact with, I don't really remember.
08:33I just know that we were in contact with, or maybe we were acquaintances or even friends,
08:37and then we weren't.
08:39And I'm just like, ships that pass in the night, tide comes in, tide goes out,
08:44the butterflies migrate to Mexico, and people move in and out of my life.
08:48And I don't really remember these things.
08:52But my wife is like, this happened, then this happened, then you said this,
08:55and it's just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
08:57She's like, well, when I was a kid, we had a dusty old encyclopedia that helped me develop
09:01to rather base and anti-woke worldview.
09:04And if we had a conflict in the family, we'd look it up in the encyclopedia,
09:09if we had to fight about it.
09:10I remember fighting with my brother about whether a king could move one or two spaces
09:14when I was learning chess.
09:14I didn't believe him, well, I never really have, but he showed me in the encyclopedia,
09:22and I was like, yep, okay, that's right.
09:24So my wife has earned trust.
09:28I trust her.
09:29She says she remembers something, and she doesn't ever exploit it, so I trust her.
09:33So if you're in a conflict with somebody else, you remember something, and they don't, right?
09:41Like, let's say that you remember a friend of yours threw a cup against the wall when he was angry,
09:46and you mentioned that, and he says, that never happened.
09:48So that's a challenge, right?
09:50That's a challenge.
09:52Do you trust your friend?
09:55Because they're not just saying, I don't remember that, or that doesn't come to my mind,
09:59or I'm not sure, or they're like, it's a positive assertion in the face of your memory.
10:05So do you trust that person?
10:07And are you humble slash insecure about your own remembrances?
10:15That's a big one.
10:16Because humility and insecurity are the foundation of growth and wisdom.
10:20Everything that you learn, you had to admit you didn't know beforehand.
10:25Every new skill you acquire, you had to admit that you didn't have beforehand.
10:28Everything you improve, you have to admit that you were worse at it beforehand.
10:33Everything.
10:34So all growth, wisdom, maturity, knowledge, virtues, they all arise out of humility slash insecurity.
10:43I mean, I claim to be a moral philosopher for 20 years.
10:46I accepted sort of the Aristotelian objectivist arguments for morality,
10:51but there was like a niggling brain worm in the back of my head, which was like,
10:55it didn't feel quite right.
10:58It doesn't feel like it's complete.
10:59I know when things are complete.
11:01Like I know, UPB, everybody who's run up against it gets smashed up.
11:06They just do.
11:07And everybody, everybody who's come up against it has been unable to overturn it.
11:13Because it is, it's dead simple, right?
11:16So that I know, right?
11:19And I do sometimes if I have a, there's a peculiar conflict with people
11:24in call-in shows or, or something like that, uh, the live call-in shows.
11:29And by the by, I just wanted to mention, I don't know how many other people have live
11:34unscreened call-ins, uh, about the most complex topics.
11:38I just roll with it, right?
11:40I mean, I suppose it would be kind of like, I mean, what Charlie Kirk was doing and so on,
11:44but, uh, I'm in my bulletproof studio, but yeah, it's not, uh, it's not common,
11:49certainly online for people to have these sort of live unscreened, uh, call-in shows,
11:54bring, bring whatever you want to the table, right?
11:56And actually I think it works out pretty well.
11:58But when I have a sort of odd or unclosed disagreement, like with the guy,
12:05he was the radical skeptic.
12:06I think it was, uh, yeah, Friday because, and so I'll do a show.
12:10I'll often put it out to donors, which is like, here's where I felt I didn't complete
12:14the circle.
12:14Here's where I felt like the is-ought dichotomy, which I had good explanations for in essential
12:19philosophy and in UPB, but I needed to have an absolutely closed circle.
12:25I need to move it from, well, you have to agree with this to it's impossible to disagree.
12:29I have to move it from probabilistic reasoning to absolute reasoning.
12:38From inductive, which is probability to deductive, which is a hundred percent given to premises.
12:44So when I have failed to close the loop, I circle back and make sure that I close the
12:50loop and then I'm better prepared for next time.
12:53So, um, just by the by, uh, this is going out to gen pop, but, um, what I was talking about
13:00in my review of the radical skeptic is, uh, it's a bit of a spoiler, but it'll, right.
13:05So next time a radical skeptic comes on, uh, I'll just, um, claim that they agree with
13:10me and they'll say, no, I don't.
13:13I said, no, you agreed with me or, and then they'll get mad and say they absolutely didn't.
13:18And then, okay, so you're not a radical skeptic or I simply don't reply.
13:22And they say, are you there?
13:24Hello?
13:24And I said, no, I already replied.
13:26And they say, no, you didn't.
13:27No, I already replied.
13:28No, you didn't.
13:29Okay.
13:29So then you're a hundred percent certain of that, right?
13:31So you can build the certainty from the interaction and that way it's a closed loop, right?
13:36Because they don't say, I think you didn't reply.
13:39They say, you didn't reply like an absolute statement.
13:41And the moment you start making absolute statements, you can't say, well, but embedded in that is
13:46a non certainty.
13:47No, no, it doesn't.
13:48You can't make an absolute statement and then say it's not an absolute statement.
13:51So, so that's the, that's the answer is to do it based upon the behavior and their certainty
13:59about that behavior.
14:01So humility is essential or insecurity.
14:06I was insecure 20 years ago that I had a unshakable answer to the question of morality,
14:16or that which is good for, that which is best for the survival and flourishing of man, blah,
14:21blah, blah, blah.
14:21Well, it's true for decent moral people, but I didn't want to write diet books for thin people.
14:26I wanted to be able to compel through reason agreement from those who opposed everything,
14:33right?
14:34Which is why John, the philosophy professor who called in, he actually showed up the other day
14:38on my timeline.
14:39So he called in and came at me hard, man.
14:43Insults, insults.
14:43It was very girly, very, very sad.
14:45Sorry to insult girls, but it was very sort of pathetic.
14:48And after a while, it's just like, okay, can you, blah, blah, blah.
14:51Yeah, yeah, yeah.
14:52I'm a bad guy.
14:53I don't know how to think.
14:54Yeah, yeah, yeah.
14:55Can you get onto any actual arguments, right?
14:57Because it's just projection when people come in and say, Steph, you're just a terrible
15:00thinker.
15:00It's like, can you actually make an argument?
15:02Or are you just going to sling insults like a terrible thinker?
15:04And I got him to agree that rape, theft, assault, and murder can never be universally
15:08preferable behavior.
15:09And he's like, so?
15:09And I'm like, that's actually a pretty big deal right there, right?
15:12Anyway, so he kind of went off to lick his wounds, I guess.
15:15And then he showed up again on my feet the other day.
15:18Well, when I want to show my students examples of bad reasoning, I just show them your post.
15:22It's like, well, why don't you show them our debate where you had to concede my entire
15:26points, all of my points about morality.
15:29And she, you know, you were literally debating with me live.
15:32And he's like, you don't even know the difference between deductive and inductive reasoning.
15:35And I said, well, here's how I explained it in my book, The Art of the Argument.
15:38And he's like, oh, yeah, no, that's right, actually.
15:41He was just, you know, but no humility, right?
15:44And that's fine.
15:45We all struggle with vanity, right?
15:47So you have to believe that you can achieve it, which before you do, maybe a certain amount
15:52of vanity.
15:52But you also have to be insecure enough to know you have to work very hard to achieve
15:56it, which is your humility, right?
15:57So progress is like, you know how you go up the ladder one rung at a time, don't hop up
16:01and down.
16:04But humility and vanity, I have to believe I can achieve it.
16:08And I'm humble enough to know that I have to work hard to get it and to criticize myself
16:11when I fail to achieve it, which is sort of what I do in some of these live debates.
16:15So, ah, yes, it's great that you're here live too, John.
16:22I appreciate that.
16:24So the trust in the other person and the insecurity or humility to say, I could be wrong.
16:33I could be wrong.
16:34Okay.
16:36So gaslighting exploits those.
16:38You trust the other person and you're willing to accept that you might be wrong.
16:47So these two virtues, right?
16:52Humility and trust are virtues in the right context, right?
16:55They're not virtues in the wrong context.
16:57But let's see here.
17:00I want to hear what you guys have to say about it.
17:03Somebody says, my parents denied basically every memory from my childhood.
17:06Yep.
17:07Absolutely.
17:07I went through that too.
17:08It never happened.
17:09You're misremembering, blah, blah, blah.
17:11Somebody says, yes, with regards to gaslighting.
17:14My older brother used to do it all the time over even the smallest things.
17:18Yeah, for sure.
17:18Because they need to keep you off balance, right?
17:19You're always wrong.
17:20You're always wrong.
17:21I'm always right.
17:21You're always wrong.
17:22Somebody says, anytime I've ever brought up any abuse or mistreatment to my mother, I've gotten a masterclass in gaslighting.
17:29Parents saying I had a perfect childhood.
17:31There's someone, somebody else says, parents not taking accountability when confronted.
17:34Yes, very important.
17:36Yep.
17:36And parents over childhood memories.
17:39Yes to gaslighting.
17:40Sir James says, yes, I once mentioned being hit by my father with a belt.
17:44He completely denied it.
17:45And my brother backed him up saying he didn't remember it.
17:47Father was gaslighting.
17:48My brother was just going along with him.
17:50And, well, your brother was gaslighting it too, right?
17:53Chris says, gaslit about past events which I have concern about or unresolved issues with both parents and co-workers.
18:03James says, oh, I was younger.
18:04My brother was two years younger.
18:05Somebody says, my mom's saying, I never said that.
18:09I don't want to dive too far down the memory hole this morning, but I remember how badly that effed me up.
18:14I was just constantly as a kid not being able to trust anything or normalizing that it's okay for people to lie to me.
18:20Yeah, yeah, yeah.
18:22For sure.
18:24For sure.
18:27And have you been in romantic relationships where the gaslighting could power the Hindenburg?
18:35I think only one romantic relationship was I in where it was pretty clear.
18:49John says, thank you for the tip.
18:51I'm being gaslit at work and I'm in the top 20% of all salespeople in the company.
18:55People really are haters.
18:56Well, there's a tipping point.
19:01If you can compete with people, then their abilities inspire you.
19:05If you can't compete with people, you are easily tempted by resentment.
19:11Resentment is a confession of an inability to compete, right?
19:15So, how do you battle gaslighting?
19:24How do you fight gaslighting?
19:25How do you overturn gaslighting in relationships?
19:31What do you think?
19:37What do you think?
19:42How do you overturn it?
19:43What is your defense against gaslighting?
19:51What do you think?
19:52I will give you all time.
19:57Stay away from people who gaslight.
19:59That's it.
19:59Yeah, for sure.
20:00But you still need to be able to win in the moment with gaslighters.
20:09Can't overturn it.
20:10I have to.
20:10Yes, absolutely.
20:11But if you just leave people without overturning them and proving them wrong in your mind,
20:16the thoughts follow you.
20:17The regrets follow you.
20:18The lack of defense follows you.
20:21See, here's the wild thing, man.
20:24Predators will always smell your defenses.
20:30They sniff them out.
20:32And even if you've left, oh, I've left all my gaslighters behind, if you haven't understood
20:35how to overturn the principle of gaslighting, they will still be drawn to you because you
20:39don't have that defense.
20:40In fact, you have the prior wound, which they can use.
20:44Wounds like bacteria come in through infections, right?
20:47So if you've been wounded, then you're more likely to get more gaslighters in your life.
20:55Ostracism.
20:55Yeah, that certainly helps.
20:57I've learned it's not worth challenging people in interpersonal situations that are lying.
21:00Just nod my head and agree and move on.
21:03I hold them accountable for their actions, then leave.
21:05Not a good defense, but I talk to them less and less until complete silent treatment.
21:10Do not accept that your concern is not real to you.
21:13Don't gaslight yourself.
21:15Somebody says, I find it more useful.
21:17And I could be wrong.
21:18In fact, I'm probably wrong.
21:19Do not let them know how much you're something them.
21:22I think there's a word missing there.
21:26I don't think this is right, but the first thing that comes to mind is, oh, thank you for
21:29agreeing with me.
21:30I really appreciate that.
21:32John says, thank you for the tip.
21:33You have to outwit them and you have to embarrass them.
21:35No, anger.
21:36No.
21:36Oh, gosh, you're going to kick yourself.
21:39I'm so sorry.
21:40Oh, I'm gaslighting you.
21:42I've only been gaslit by people with a history of bad character, so I use past history to
21:45become certain that they are lying currently.
21:49Oh, Zim says, let them know how much you're onto them, right?
21:52Not into them, onto them.
21:54All right.
21:55That's a good point.
21:57And again, if you're on X, X is just going out to subscribers.
22:01Welcome to have chats about this.
22:02So, what I've done with gaslighting is, let's say, I just made a gas situation.
22:16Dating some girl and she threw a cup against the wall, right?
22:22Right?
22:23And then she says, that never happened.
22:25And I know it happened, right?
22:26It never happened, right?
22:27And say, you're absolutely certain.
22:34You're certain it never happened.
22:35Yes, I'm absolutely certain it never happened, right?
22:38I say, well, now we have a challenge.
22:39I'm absolutely certain it did happen.
22:42You're absolutely certain it didn't happen.
22:46So, who's right?
22:49Well, I'm right.
22:49Okay, so, is your principle, is your principle that only your memory is correct and my memory
22:56is always incorrect?
22:57Because I can't think of a time where my memory has been correct and you've given way.
23:01So, is the principle that only you are right when it comes to memory?
23:06It's not a good principle, is it?
23:08Because if I take your principle, it's universalizing.
23:10That's how you fight gaslighting, is you universalize.
23:13What is the principle by which you tell me you're absolutely certain you never threw
23:19a cup against the wall?
23:20What is the principle?
23:21Is the, like, what is the principle?
23:24Is the principle that all memory is valid?
23:29All memory is true?
23:32All memory.
23:32Or is it just for you?
23:34Because it's not a principle if it's just for you.
23:35That's just narcissism.
23:37If only your memory is right, then you have no principle.
23:40You just have that you're always right.
23:43That's not a principle.
23:46Universalize, universalize, universalize.
23:48What's the rule?
23:49What's the rule we're playing by here, people?
23:51What is the rule we're universalizing?
23:54That's the rule we play by, always.
24:01You're wrong.
24:02By what standard?
24:03Well, you're just wrong.
24:04That's not a standard.
24:04What is the standard?
24:06It's the standard that everything we remember is true.
24:08Well, that's as true for me as it is for you,
24:10so that doesn't work.
24:11What is the standard?
24:12Get them to reveal the fucking narcissism.
24:16The principle is that I'm always right
24:18and you're always wrong.
24:20Get them to expose the self-serving,
24:25screwed-up, megalomaniacal narcissism.
24:29What is the principle?
24:31Is the principle that, oh,
24:33is the principle that all memory is valid?
24:34Well, I remember you throwing the cup against the wall.
24:37Well, I remember you throwing the cup against the wall.
24:40You say you don't remember that.
24:43What's the principle?
24:44How do we, I mean, it's a question.
24:45How do we resolve this?
24:46We both remember different things.
24:50We both remember different things.
24:51Now,
24:53that's the universalizing.
25:00That's the universalizing.
25:01You know the old trick.
25:07If you think someone's trying to poison,
25:09if you think someone's trying to poison you,
25:13pull in Erin Brockovich, right?
25:15If you think someone's trying to poison you,
25:16get them to drink from their own cup.
25:19Because they're saying it's safe.
25:20Get them to live by their own values.
25:22Is the value that all memory is valid
25:26and everyone who disagrees with your memory is invalid.
25:29Everyone who disagrees with memory is wrong.
25:32Well,
25:32then we have a contradiction.
25:33Because we both remember different things.
25:36It cannot be true that we're both right.
25:38It cannot be,
25:39we cannot go on the principle that
25:41every memory is true.
25:46Because I remember you throwing the cup against the wall.
25:48You say it didn't happen.
25:49No,
25:49you claim to not remember it.
25:50So,
25:51what is the principle?
25:53What is the rule?
25:54You can't have a relationship
25:55if you don't have any rules.
25:57You can't play a game of chess
25:58if you don't have any rules.
25:59You can't play tennis
26:00if you don't have any rules.
26:03You can't do anything
26:04with anyone else
26:05if you don't have any rules.
26:06Even the rules of
26:07syntax,
26:08sentences,
26:08grammar,
26:09comprehensibility,
26:10not both talking at the same time.
26:12What are the rules?
26:14What are the rules
26:15by which we resolve our dispute?
26:17Tell me what the rule is.
26:19Well,
26:19I'm just,
26:19in this instance,
26:20no,
26:21no,
26:21no,
26:21no,
26:21no.
26:22What are the rules?
26:23How do you know
26:24that you're perfectly right
26:25and I'm perfectly,
26:26well,
26:26I don't remember it.
26:27It's like,
26:27yes,
26:28I understand that.
26:29You don't remember
26:30throwing the cup against the wall.
26:31I remember you throwing the cup
26:32against the wall.
26:32I'll give you,
26:33it was on this day,
26:34this is,
26:34we did this before,
26:35we were having this conflict,
26:36there's the dent in the wall,
26:37you can't produce the cup.
26:39You know,
26:39there's some evidence,
26:40right?
26:40There's some evidence,
26:41no cup.
26:42Cup's gone.
26:43There is a dent in the wall.
26:44So something happened.
26:50There's a little bit of evidence.
26:52There's a little bit of evidence.
26:57But,
26:58you ask people,
26:59don't,
26:59don't get involved in fights.
27:01Don't get involved
27:02in he said,
27:04she said.
27:04Don't get involved in that stuff.
27:05Just ask,
27:06what are the rules?
27:09What are the rules?
27:13What are the rules?
27:15You've got to trust me,
27:17right?
27:17That's what people say.
27:18Trust me.
27:19I didn't do it.
27:20It's like,
27:20okay,
27:20so what is the rule?
27:21It's the rule,
27:22we trust the other person
27:22and believe them,
27:23then you have to trust
27:24and believe me
27:24that you did throw the cup
27:26against the wall.
27:27What is the rule?
27:28You're wrong.
27:29Okay,
27:29so the rule is that
27:30the other person is always wrong,
27:31but that rule applies to me,
27:32so you're wrong.
27:33Give me a rule
27:34that's not narcissism.
27:35That's all.
27:36Give me a rule
27:37that's not you benefiting
27:38from you.
27:40Solipsism.
27:41Just give me a rule
27:42that's not you win.
27:43That's not a rule.
27:44It's like playing a game of chess
27:46saying,
27:46well,
27:46I don't have any rules for chess,
27:47but the rule is I win.
27:49Like,
27:50how can we even play
27:50if there's no game?
27:52There's no interaction.
27:52There's no negotiation.
27:53There's no debate.
27:55Right?
27:57It'd be like going into
27:58selling a house
27:59and saying,
27:59well,
28:00the price of the house
28:01is whatever the hell I want.
28:02I get what I want
28:04in this negotiation,
28:05but it's a negotiation,
28:06so shouldn't we both get one?
28:07Like,
28:08what's the rule?
28:09What's the rule?
28:15Ask for
28:16the rules.
28:19Ask for the rules.
28:25John says,
28:26this show is very helpful.
28:26By the way,
28:27I've been fighting uphill battles.
28:28I've been in my new role
28:29for one full quarter.
28:30I've already hit my annual peaks.
28:31My higher-ups,
28:32clients,
28:32and co-workers
28:33in other offices
28:33are raving fans
28:34of people in my office
28:35hate the air I breathe.
28:37Well,
28:37you know,
28:37you've got to break
28:38through the mids,
28:40right?
28:40In order to succeed,
28:41I mean,
28:42if you start off low,
28:43right?
28:43I know why I did,
28:43right?
28:43If you start off low,
28:44you've got to break
28:45through the mids.
28:46The mids
28:46is this crusty layer
28:47of resentment
28:48and pettiness
28:49and slave morality.
28:51You've got to break
28:51through that
28:52to get to the really
28:53successful people
28:53who enjoy your success.
28:56So,
28:57I don't want to oversell,
28:59but that's how you deal.
28:59It's how you deal
29:00with conflicts.
29:01Tell me the rules.
29:01What are the rules?
29:02What are the rules?
29:04What are the rules?
29:05And people tell you
29:10the rules
29:11by how they treat you.
29:12Okay,
29:12well,
29:12we'll get into that.
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29:32which is Helen's boss.
29:33I love that guy.
29:34Love,
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29:36He is rich
29:38and a great character.
29:42A memory of something
29:43is more reliable
29:44than a non-memory.
29:46Could be,
29:47unless,
29:48yeah,
29:48yes,
29:48for sure,
29:49but unless it's
29:50something vivid.
29:51All right.
29:52Like if somebody said to me,
29:54you jumped off
29:55the Eiffel Tower.
29:56I have a memory of you
29:57jumping off the Eiffel Tower,
29:58but no,
29:58I never jumped off
29:59the Eiffel Tower.
29:59Like,
30:00I know that for sure.
30:00I never jumped off
30:01the Eiffel Tower.
30:02So,
30:02it depends how vivid it is.
30:04All right.
30:05So,
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30:17processes of a selfish person.
30:18How do you explain
30:19or understand,
30:20you know,
30:21I think most of us here
30:21are not selfish.
30:23And so,
30:23somebody asked me,
30:25what are the lens
30:25and thought process
30:27of a selfish person
30:28who puts their own needs
30:29and preferences
30:29above everything
30:30and everyone else?
30:31How to understand
30:32that and process that
30:34and of course
30:34to battle
30:36and fight that.
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