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O presidente de Chipre otimista quanto à reunificação da ilha
Numa entrevista exclusiva à Euronews, o presidente cipriota Nikos Christodoulides falou sobre como vê o futuro do país, da União Europeia e da paz em Gaza.
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Numa entrevista exclusiva à Euronews, o presidente cipriota Nikos Christodoulides falou sobre como vê o futuro do país, da União Europeia e da paz em Gaza.
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00:00Olá e bem-vindos ao EUROPE CONVERSATION, eu estou Stefan Grober.
00:12O país se tornou um membro da União Europeia em 2004,
00:16mas tem uma das histórias mais antiguas histórias de civilização humana no mundo.
00:21Ele é um dos apenas quatro heados de Estado no União Europeia,
00:24ele vai assumir a presidência da União Europeia no junho de junho,
00:28e ele é meu guest hoje, o presidente de Cyprus, Nikos Christodoulides.
00:33Bem-vindo ao programa. Muito obrigado por virar.
00:36Bom dia, Stefan. Muito obrigado pela convidência.
00:39É um grande prazer estar aqui.
00:41Eu menciono a história da história de 9,000 anos.
00:45Agora, você é um histórico, você trabalha na Universidade de Cyprus.
00:49Eu perguntei, como os Cyprios e os EUROPEANs at large
00:53beneficiam de um histórico como presidente?
00:58Você sabe, a história, como você sabe muito bem, se repeteu.
01:02Então, sabendo a história, e não só a história do seu país,
01:05mas a história da sua região, a história da Europa, a história da antiga história,
01:08ajuda você em uma forma como você aborda os desafios de hoje e como você aborda os desafios que nós temos em frente.
01:17Então, eu acho que a história é muito importante.
01:22para ser conhecido e considerando o que aconteceu, é um grande benefício para enfrentar os desafios de hoje.
01:30Então, até o ano de ano, você tem outra tarefa na sua plateia,
01:35quando a Cyprus vai levar a presidência da União da União da União da União da União da União da União da União da União da União.
01:38Eu acho que muitos dos problemas vão permanecer.
01:42Mas o que podemos esperar aqui em Brasília?
01:45Será que há uma forma de cipriada de fazer o negócio, de conduzir a diplomacia?
01:51Por certeza, vamos ter um cipriado no ponto em que a União da União da União da União da União da União da União.
01:58Nós temos duas prioridades maiores.
02:04O primeiro é como facilmente vencer a autonomia da União da União da União
02:07e quando eu digo a autonomia da União da União da União da União.
02:13Não quero dizer apenas a segurança e a segurança.
02:16Vou explicar um pouco.
02:16E o segundo é trazer a União Europeia mais perto da nossa região,
02:23do Middle-East, do greater Middle-East.
02:25Você sabe, Cyprus é um membro da União Europeia,
02:28como você mencionou, desde 2004.
02:30Mas, ao mesmo tempo, nós somos parte do Middle-East.
02:33Nós estamos de uma viação de uma viação de uma viação de Líbano,
02:37de 40 minutos de Israel, de 50 minutos de Egipto,
02:40de 50 minutos de Jorhtar, de uma viação de Syria, e assim por diante.
02:45Então, eu vou para a nossa primeira prioridade,
02:48que é a melhorar a autonomia da União Europeia.
02:53Como União Europeia, nós somos, e já era mais no passado,
03:00dependentes da nossa segurança dos Estados Unidos.
03:04Como União Europeia, nós somos dependentes da energia da Rússia.
03:10Como União Europeia, nós somos dependentes da nossos materiais da China.
03:15Então, como podemos ser estratégicamente autonômicos e jogar um papel,
03:21o papel que nossos cidadãos estão esperando de nós jogar,
03:27como União Europeia, se nós somos dependentes de três outros países.
03:31Por exemplo, MFF, um dos mais importantes filhos da União Europeia.
03:37A União Europeia está fazendo um trabalho excelente e vamos continuar com a União Europeia.
03:43para nós, não é só o budget da União Europeia para os próximos sete anos.
03:49A União Europeia é a política, o mais importante,
03:55para mostrar para as pessoas que queremos que a União Europeia seja na próxima sete anos.
04:02Então, o framework de financiamento financeiro, claro, deve refletir os tradicionais,
04:07se eu posso dizer, filhos da União Europeia,
04:08da União Europeia, da política de cohesão, da política de agroalha, etc.
04:12Mas, ao mesmo tempo, deve refletir os prioridades da União Europeia hoje.
04:18Deixe-me colocar algumas palavras aqui.
04:22Você mencionou segurança.
04:24Eu menciono a Ucrânia.
04:27Você acha que você vai ver o final da guerra na Ucrânia durante a sua presidência?
04:33Para ser honesto com você, eu não vejo isso.
04:37Eu não vejo o final da guerra na Ucrânia.
04:40Mas, como União Europeia,
04:42nós vamos continuar a nossa posição clara para a invasão e a ocupação da Ucrânia.
04:52Nós precisamos apoiar a Ucrânia.
04:54Nós precisamos apoiar a Ucrânia.
04:56E, dentro desse contexto, eu vou deixar você saber que eu planeo,
05:00no 4 dezembro, antes da nossa presidência,
05:02visitar Kiev, visitar a Ucrânia,
05:05para mostrar que, mesmo que Cêpros está vindo do Middle-East,
05:10nós não somos parte da, vamos dizer, da Ucrânia e da Ucrânia,
05:13a Ucrânia vai continuar a ser nossa prioridade.
05:17Outro importante importante ao longo da Europa é a imigração.
05:21Os números de imigrantes imigrantes estão diminuindo,
05:25mas ainda é, no mente de muitos europeus, o número um problema.
05:30O que a Europa aprendeu durante os últimos anos?
05:33E é o caminho que a Europa chartou o certo?
05:38Os números de hoje são muito melhor, como você mencionou,
05:41mas se nós queremos resolver esse problema,
05:45porque há outro aspecto.
05:47A migração de imigrantes matou a migração de imigrantes.
05:50E, como a Europa, nós precisamos de imigrantes.
05:53Mas, para realmente enfrentar o problema de imigrantes,
06:00nós precisamos de consideração como a União Europeia,
06:02e isso é o que nós estamos planejando fazer como a Presidência,
06:04para enfrentar as causas principais da imigrantes.
06:08Nós precisamos de falar com os países que os imigrantes estão vindo,
06:15para criar as condições nesses países,
06:18para as pessoas não morrem e virem na Europa.
06:22Então, o mais importante aspecto,
06:24se nós realmente queremos enfrentar a migração,
06:26é enfrentar as causas principais do fenômeno.
06:29E como nós fazemos isso?
06:30E como nós trabalhamos juntos com os países,
06:33apoio-los.
06:33Se nós não criamos as condições nesses países,
06:36para que os jovens, por exemplo,
06:38sejam em seus países,
06:40eu quero dizer, condições econômicas,
06:41condições políticas, etc.,
06:43então nós nunca vamos enfrentar o problema de imigrantes imigrantes.
06:48Falando de vir à Europa,
06:50um tema que já foi dormido por muitos anos,
06:55mas agora nós vamos ver algumas ações aqui,
06:57algumas atividades.
06:58Do you think that Europe is ready
07:02for another round of enlargement?
07:05I remember back in 2014,
07:08President Juncker saying that
07:10by 2024,
07:12we're going to have the next enlargement
07:13of the European Union.
07:15And we're in 2025,
07:17and of course,
07:17we don't see enlargement,
07:20and nobody's talking with enlargement.
07:22Enlargement is one of the most important
07:24geopolitical tool of the European Union,
07:28and I'm afraid to say that
07:30we are losing this
07:31very important tool,
07:33because we did a lot of promises
07:35and we didn't deliver.
07:37so that is why during our presidency,
07:40we want to see an important positive step
07:44towards enlargement.
07:46And I think we can have positive developments,
07:49especially with Montenegro.
07:50I visited Montenegro,
07:52you know,
07:52ahead of our presidency,
07:54together with the Minister of Foreign Affairs
07:55and the Minister of European Affairs.
07:57We visited all member states
08:00plus candidate countries
08:01in order to prepare ourselves,
08:03because we want to listen to our partners,
08:05we want to listen to the candidate countries
08:07in order to be ready during our presidency.
08:09And I think with Montenegro,
08:10we have a small country,
08:12so the dilemma,
08:14more integration or enlargement,
08:17is not so...
08:19We can face this dilemma,
08:21and I think we can bring Montenegro
08:24closer to the accession
08:26to the European Union,
08:27because if we don't have positive developments
08:29on enlargement,
08:30I'm very concerned that
08:31the people in those countries,
08:33the candidate countries,
08:34and in some countries we see this,
08:37they will turn their back
08:38to the European Union,
08:40and they will find other ways.
08:41And we see in the Balkans,
08:42for example,
08:43Western Balkans,
08:44we see a number of other actors,
08:47non-EU actors,
08:49having a leading role,
08:51because those countries,
08:52they don't believe anymore
08:54in the prospect of joining
08:55the European Union.
08:57Speaking about money,
08:58it's a kind of a topic
08:59that is not in the big headlines,
09:02but it is a very serious problem,
09:05and that is public debt.
09:06Many member states
09:08are suffering from public debt
09:12that is no longer sustainable.
09:15Is austerity a word
09:18that we're going to use
09:19more often in the future?
09:21No, I don't believe on austerity.
09:24I believe on responsible fiscal policy.
09:28And I'm very glad to say
09:29that being in power in Cyprus,
09:32for two and a half years now,
09:33our public debt
09:34is less than 60% of GDP.
09:38When we won the elections,
09:40back in March 2023,
09:42public debt was approximately
09:4475% of our GDP.
09:46And not through austerity,
09:47through responsible fiscal policy,
09:50we have these results today.
09:52It was actually 115% five years ago,
09:55so you've come a long way.
09:57Cyprus also has one
09:58of the highest budget surpluses
10:00in the European Union,
10:011.3%,
10:03and a growth outlook
10:06of 3% until 2027.
10:09Employment rate less than 5%,
10:12which is actually the biggest challenge
10:14for us now
10:15to bring back to Cyprus talent.
10:18and that's why we initiated a campaign,
10:21starting from London,
10:22from brain drain to brain gain,
10:26in order to bring Cypriots
10:28and Europeans back to Cyprus.
10:30And Cyprus has been upgraded
10:31by all the major rating agencies recently.
10:35So, how do you do this?
10:37I mean, if you walk in here,
10:38speaking to your European colleagues,
10:41they must be jealous.
10:42Responsible fiscal policy.
10:48Whatever we promise to people,
10:50we deliver.
10:51But we promise to people
10:53only what we can deliver.
10:55Let's talk about the situation
10:56in the Middle East now.
10:57You've said at the beginning
10:58no country in the EU
11:01was closer to the region
11:02than Cyprus.
11:04How do you see the peace process
11:08going forward?
11:08But first of all,
11:09you were at the signing ceremony
11:11of the ceasefire agreement
11:12in Sharm el-Shaik.
11:15Tell us about it.
11:16How was it?
11:17First of all,
11:18it was a great honor for Cyprus
11:20to be invited,
11:21to be there,
11:22being invited by President Sisi
11:24and President Trump.
11:27We welcome the initiative
11:29of President Trump.
11:31I don't underestimate
11:33the challenges
11:34that we have ahead of us,
11:36but we need to work
11:38with all partners
11:39in the region
11:39in order to implement
11:41the plan of President Trump.
11:44And that is why,
11:45before going to Sharm el-Shaik,
11:47I talked with the President
11:48of the Commission,
11:49with the President of the Council,
11:50I talked with President Sisi,
11:53the Prime Minister of Israel,
11:55the President of UAE,
11:57His Majesty,
11:58the King of Jostan,
11:59in order to work together,
12:04in order to safeguard
12:05the implementation of the plan.
12:07There is no other alternative
12:09right now in front of us.
12:12And that is why,
12:13working especially
12:15with the Commission,
12:16we presented,
12:17Cyprus presented,
12:19a very specific plan
12:20in order to help
12:23to the implementation
12:24of the 20-point Gaza peace plan
12:27of President Trump.
12:29And allow me,
12:30our plan,
12:32based also on our
12:34excellent relations
12:35with all stakeholders,
12:37we have excellent relations
12:38with Israel,
12:39we have excellent relations
12:39with all Arab partners
12:41in the region,
12:42excellent relations
12:43with the United States,
12:44being member state
12:45of the European Union,
12:46being member
12:47of the state
12:48of the region.
12:51We prepared this plan,
12:52which touches
12:54on the humanitarian aid delivery,
12:58it's the points of,
13:00point 7 and point 10
13:01of President Trump's plan,
13:04secure goods
13:05and dual-use screening,
13:07the points 13
13:08and 15
13:09of President Trump's plan,
13:11third point,
13:13rubble removal
13:13and reconstruction
13:14enabling,
13:15the points of,
13:16point 2,
13:1710 and 14
13:18of President Trump's plan,
13:21training,
13:21stabilization
13:22and reconciliation
13:23support,
13:24point 9,
13:2515 and 18
13:26of President Trump's plan,
13:28contribution
13:29to the international
13:30stabilization force,
13:32point 15
13:32of President Trump's plan,
13:34and the sixth point,
13:35contribution
13:36to the economic
13:37development plan,
13:38which is point 10
13:39of President Trump's plan.
13:40So we put forward
13:43these very specific ideas,
13:46building,
13:46as I told you,
13:47on our excellent relations
13:49with all stakeholders,
13:51building on our
13:52previous initiative,
13:54you know,
13:54Cyprus presented
13:55back in October 23
13:56in Paris,
13:58following the terrorist
13:59attack of Gaza,
14:01an idea for a humanitarian
14:03maritime corridor
14:04from Cyprus
14:05to Gaza,
14:06and we did it,
14:08we deliver
14:09with the support
14:09of our partners,
14:10the European Union,
14:11the United States,
14:12UK, UAE,
14:13and we are ready
14:15at this stage
14:16as a representative
14:17of the European Union
14:18in the region
14:19to deliver
14:20once again.
14:22What about rebuilding
14:23and reconstructing
14:26Gaza?
14:26This is,
14:27for the people
14:28who live there,
14:29the most obvious
14:30necessity.
14:32Do you have an idea
14:33when this can start,
14:35how long it would take,
14:36who will be the players,
14:37and what role
14:38does Cyprus have?
14:39That is why
14:39it's very important
14:40to implement
14:41the first phase
14:42of President Trump's plan.
14:44Because if we don't
14:45have a ceasefire,
14:46if we don't have
14:47the political conditions
14:48there,
14:48we cannot talk
14:49about rebuilding.
14:51When we reach
14:53the stage of ceasefire
14:55and the conditions
14:56are there,
14:57reconstruction
14:57should start.
15:00And that is why
15:00point three
15:02of our proposal
15:03is the rappel removal
15:04and reconstruction
15:05enabling.
15:05So development,
15:08and this is the role
15:08that Cyprus
15:09can play,
15:10development of maritime
15:11routes for rappel
15:12extraction
15:13and inbound
15:14construction materials
15:16in Gaza
15:17in order to support
15:19Gaza's rebuilding
15:20and, of course,
15:21economic revival.
15:22What about the two-state
15:24solution?
15:25An initiative
15:26that is very much
15:28liked in Brussels.
15:31President Trump
15:32doesn't like it so much.
15:34Israelis don't like it
15:35so much.
15:36Is this still a viable
15:37option?
15:38There is no alternative
15:40to the two-state solution.
15:43Let's be clear.
15:44And we cannot reach
15:45peace in the region
15:47without the solution
15:49of the Palestinian
15:50issue
15:51based on the two-state
15:53solution.
15:55That was pretty clear.
15:57Speaking of
15:57two-state solution,
15:59that is something
16:00that Turkish
16:01President Erdogan
16:02has mentioned
16:03when he was in
16:04New York
16:05speaking about
16:05the Cyprus
16:06dispute.
16:08And he said
16:09with the same
16:10clarity,
16:11he said
16:11there is no
16:12other solution.
16:13Where do you
16:13respond?
16:14What I mentioned
16:15is a two-state
16:16solution for
16:17the Palestinian
16:17issue.
16:18This is what
16:19the UN
16:20Security Council
16:21resolutions
16:22are talking about.
16:24In the case
16:25of Cyprus,
16:25the Security Council
16:26resolutions,
16:27the international
16:28community,
16:28the European Union,
16:30everybody is clear.
16:32The solution
16:32of the Cyprus
16:33problem should be
16:34based on
16:34bi-zonal,
16:35by communal
16:35federation.
16:36And it's only
16:37Mr. Erdogan
16:38that is promoting
16:39this unacceptable
16:41idea for a
16:42two-state solution
16:43that there is
16:43no way
16:44even to discuss
16:46such a possibility
16:47in Cyprus.
16:48I hope I was
16:50so clear
16:50as I was
16:51before
16:52with the
16:53issue,
16:54with the
16:54Palestinian issue.
16:55So,
16:56a few days ago
16:57in the northern
16:58part of
16:59Cyprus,
17:00a very pro-
17:01European candidate
17:03won in a
17:04landslide,
17:05Tufan
17:06Erdogan.
17:07How do you
17:08assess this
17:09outcome?
17:10Does it give you
17:10hope?
17:11Could this be
17:11a potential
17:12game-changer?
17:13Indeed.
17:14Last week
17:15we had
17:15voting
17:16procedures
17:17in the occupied
17:18areas of
17:18Cyprus
17:19for the
17:19leadership,
17:20for the
17:21Turkish
17:21Cypriot
17:21leadership.
17:23And
17:23Mr. Tufan,
17:25the leader
17:26who,
17:27during the
17:28election campaign,
17:30was saying
17:30that he's
17:31against
17:32two-state
17:33solution.
17:34He's
17:34against
17:35what
17:36President
17:37Erdogan
17:37was saying
17:38in the
17:38UN
17:38General
17:39Assembly,
17:40was elected.
17:41I believe
17:43this is
17:43a positive
17:44development,
17:46but we
17:46want to
17:47see at
17:47the table
17:48of the
17:49negotiations.
17:49What is
17:50important is
17:50during the
17:52resumption
17:52of the
17:52talks,
17:53and I'm
17:53ready to
17:54resume
17:54negotiations
17:55even next
17:55week,
17:57what is
17:57going to
17:57be
17:58presented
17:58by the
17:59Turkish
18:00Cypriot
18:01and the
18:01Turkish
18:02side.
18:03So,
18:04if Mr.
18:04the new
18:05leader of
18:05the
18:05Turkish
18:06Cypriot
18:06community
18:06comes to
18:07the
18:07negotiating
18:07table
18:08and
18:08talks
18:08clearly
18:09about
18:10by
18:10zonal,
18:10by
18:11communal
18:11federation,
18:13then
18:13I think
18:14the
18:15road is
18:15open
18:16for the
18:16solution
18:17of the
18:17Cyprus
18:17problem
18:18based
18:19on the
18:19UN
18:19Security
18:20Council
18:20resolution.
18:21So,
18:21you
18:21would
18:21be
18:22ready
18:22to
18:22sit
18:22down
18:22with
18:22him?
18:23I'm
18:23ready
18:23to
18:24sit
18:24with
18:24him
18:24next
18:25week.
18:25You
18:26have
18:26written,
18:27I think,
18:27two books
18:28about the
18:28Cyprus
18:28conflict
18:30and being
18:31a historian
18:31and looking
18:33at things
18:33in large
18:34perspectives.
18:36What is
18:36the perspective
18:37for Cyprus
18:38of being
18:39united?
18:40You know
18:40what people
18:41feel
18:41on the
18:43island,
18:43on both
18:44sides.
18:44What is
18:45your sense?
18:46The
18:47current
18:47status quo
18:48cannot be
18:48the
18:49solution
18:49of the
18:50Cyprus
18:50problem.
18:51the
18:54solution
18:55of the
18:55Cyprus
18:56problem
18:56to
18:57reunite
18:57our
18:58country
18:58is
18:59the
18:59only
18:59option
18:59ahead
19:00of us.
19:01And
19:01from
19:02my
19:02side
19:02I
19:02will
19:02do
19:03whatever
19:03is
19:04necessary
19:05in
19:05order
19:05to
19:06resume
19:06negotiations
19:07and
19:07then
19:08solve
19:09the
19:09Cyprus
19:09problem.
19:10There
19:10is
19:11no
19:11frozen
19:11conflict.
19:12You
19:12see
19:12what
19:13happened
19:13in
19:13Gaza.
19:14Everybody
19:15was
19:15under
19:16the
19:16impression
19:16that
19:16we
19:17have
19:17a
19:17frozen
19:18conflict
19:18there.
19:18and
19:20since
19:20October
19:20we
19:21see
19:21the
19:21developments
19:22and
19:22the
19:22tragedy
19:23in
19:23Gaza.
19:26So
19:26if
19:27we
19:27want
19:28to
19:28reach
19:28the
19:29full
19:29potential
19:30of
19:30our
19:31country
19:31both
19:32Greek
19:32Cypriots
19:33and
19:33Turkish
19:33Cypriots
19:34we
19:34need
19:35to
19:35reunite
19:35our
19:36country.
19:37Reunite
19:37our
19:37country
19:38member
19:39state
19:39of the
19:39European
19:40Union
19:40and
19:41being
19:42a
19:42member
19:42of
19:42the
19:43European
19:43Union
19:43is
19:44the
19:44best
19:44guarantee
19:45for
19:45the
19:46future
19:46of
19:47our
19:47country.
19:47All
19:48right
19:48Nikos
19:49Christel
19:49Ligis
19:50president
19:50of
19:50Cyprus
19:51thank
19:51you
19:52sir
19:52for
19:52a
19:52great
19:52Europe
19:53conversation
19:53thank
19:54you
19:54very
19:54much
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