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00:00Hello, everyone.
00:06Welcome to ID Conversations.
00:08I'm Mikaela from Scary Mommy's Live, Work, Thrive series,
00:11and I'm thrilled to be your host today.
00:12If you're not familiar with the ID Conversations yet,
00:16each month, the team at ID and Discovery Plus
00:19are digging into the most fascinating true crime stories
00:22that you just can't get enough of.
00:23So far, there have been chats around the eye-catching
00:26yet bizarre murder-for-hire plot
00:28in The Curse of the Chippendales
00:30and the devastating and tragic missing persons case
00:33of Andrea Knabel with Finding Andrea.
00:36Both series are available now on Discovery Plus.
00:39Today, we're diving into a disturbing
00:42yet important docu-series
00:43that is currently streaming on Discovery Plus,
00:46Undercover, Underage.
00:48This show looks at how sexual predators
00:50are targeting young children online,
00:52and we're going to explore how to combat this issue
00:55and protect our kids.
00:56So, even though this is distressing,
00:59today, we are going to chat with one mom
01:01who has had enough and is doing something about it.
01:04Rue Powell is a 38-year-old mother of three,
01:07but with the help of her team and some digital trickery,
01:10she transforms into a minor online
01:13to help identify child predators.
01:16Using these minor personas,
01:18she and her team work to reveal the true identities
01:20of the men who reach out to her,
01:22and it's a race against time
01:24to identify the suspects for law enforcement
01:26before they discover Rue herself
01:29is not who she claims to be.
01:31Let's take a look at Rue and her team here,
01:33featured on Undercover, Underage.
01:35Every day, adults exploit and abuse minors online.
01:52My name is Rue.
01:53All right, any quiet?
01:54And my organization helps law enforcement stop them.
01:58He has multiple pseudonyms,
02:00and he does that because he needs to protect
02:02his real identity.
02:03And it's making it almost impossible to find him.
02:06What are you controlling your own case with it?
02:09Well, you are a stranger on the internet.
02:11I am. I'm sorry.
02:14I'm a 38-year-old mother of three,
02:16but with the help of my team,
02:18I transform into a teenage girl.
02:20When we create a persona,
02:22it's like we're creating a person out of thin air.
02:24I'm Mia and Lizzie and Hannah.
02:28He did turn the conversation
02:30to supremely sexual last night.
02:32So he's committed a crime.
02:34I think I found him.
02:34No way.
02:37That's him.
02:37We don't really know how dangerous
02:39these guys truly are just behind a screen.
02:41I'm sending your s*** to Interpol
02:42because I got your IP address, too.
02:44I know what the rules in the UK are about that.
02:46You would f***ing go to jail.
02:48Do not f***ing reach out
02:49to a girl under 18 online ever again.
02:53We're going to try and follow the van
02:55and see which way he goes.
02:57Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
02:58Oh, my God.
02:59He said he's here.
02:59He said he's here.
03:01We become the target.
03:03Finish line now!
03:05To help protect the underage.
03:07Drew, I think you should duck down.
03:09He's staring straight at you.
03:10If you haven't had a chance
03:20to watch Undercover Underage yet,
03:22don't worry.
03:22It's streaming now on Discovery Plus
03:24and the finale is airing tomorrow.
03:26So let's get into our chat today.
03:28Rue Powell is the mom,
03:30career-long writer and advocate
03:32and the founder of SOSA,
03:34which stands for Safe from Online Sex Abuse.
03:37Through this non-profit,
03:38Rue works to raise awareness
03:40and combat the pervasiveness
03:41of online abuse
03:42and exploitation of children.
03:44Welcome to the ID Conversations, Rue.
03:47Thank you for having me.
03:49So this is intense.
03:50It can really feel like a lot to process.
03:52Tell us, you know,
03:53how prevalent is this issue really?
03:55How hard do you have to work to,
03:57you know, to get kind of lured
03:59by these predators?
04:01I think the troubling answer
04:04is that it's not very hard.
04:07You know, we put decoys online
04:09and these perpetrators reach out right away.
04:12The volume is intense
04:14and I would say the volume is so intense
04:15that there have been times
04:16where we've had to shut down other decoys
04:19in order to be able to pay attention
04:23to the more egregious ones
04:24that are coming in.
04:25So there have actually been a few arrests
04:28due to your work
04:29that we can witness in the docuseries.
04:31How do you work with law enforcement
04:33to identify these perpetrators?
04:36And also, I'd love you to tell us more about,
04:38you know, what actually constitute,
04:41you know, illegal activity?
04:43Like, does the person have to ask for a photo?
04:45Or, you know, I'm just curious.
04:46I don't know a lot about the legalities involved here,
04:49but I imagine it must feel pretty,
04:52pretty, you know, intense
04:54when an arrest is made.
04:56So we do work with law enforcement.
04:59However, I am very much not law enforcement
05:02and we recognize that SOSA is not law enforcement.
05:05We do, however, want to assist
05:07and aid law enforcement.
05:09And the way that we do that
05:11is we identify the bad actors online.
05:14We gather our evidence
05:15and we hand it over to law enforcement
05:16so they can do what law enforcement does.
05:19They might take our evidence
05:21and respond in a number of ways.
05:23They might do their own
05:24independent investigation.
05:26They might take over our accounts
05:27and they're the ones communicating
05:29as the 14-year-old girl
05:30or the 15-year-old girl.
05:32Or they might ask us to continue.
05:35They're logged in the same time we're logged in
05:37and they're seeing the messages
05:38come in concurrently.
05:40And, you know, an arrest happens after that.
05:43These laws really do vary by state.
05:46Generally speaking, it is illegal
05:48to send photos of your genitalia to a minor.
05:52It is illegal to,
05:53it is against the law to send CSAM,
05:57which is child sex abuse material,
06:00what a lot of people know as child porn.
06:02It is against the law
06:04to try to have sex with a minor.
06:06There are certain things that,
06:07you know, is kind of universal.
06:10But state by state,
06:12there are laws that vary.
06:14You know, is it illegal
06:15to send a lot of abusive language
06:17to a minor and talk,
06:19you know, a lot of sexting,
06:20what we know as sexting.
06:21In some states, it's just conversation.
06:25They don't view it as being illegal,
06:27even if it's abusive.
06:29Wow.
06:30So are you actually in coordination
06:33with law enforcement
06:34in multiple states across the country
06:36in this process?
06:39Yes.
06:39So when we put a decoy in a city,
06:41we already have relationships
06:43with law enforcement in that city.
06:46Of course, the internet is everywhere.
06:48So perpetrators might not be
06:50geofenced to that city.
06:52So we might be working
06:54with law enforcement in Orlando,
06:55but we might be talking
06:56with a perpetrator out in New Mexico.
06:59And so then they have to kind of
07:00liaise with law enforcement out there.
07:02And so in those cases,
07:03we end up communicating
07:04with other law enforcement
07:06and we have to kind of explain
07:07what we do.
07:08But we make sure that we are
07:10working with law enforcement
07:11before we launch a decoy
07:13in whatever city we're in.
07:14That's impressive.
07:15So in Undercover Underage,
07:17we watch you and your team,
07:20you know, you're super internet savvy.
07:23You know all the tricks of the trade
07:25to kind of lure in these predators.
07:27Can you give us an overview
07:28of who's on your team
07:30and how everyone works together
07:31to make it happen?
07:33Sure.
07:34So first we have Kelly Becker,
07:36who is our research lead.
07:38She takes little bits and pieces
07:40and fragments of information
07:41that we give her.
07:42And, you know,
07:43she kind of goes nuts on the internet
07:44and tries to put those pieces together.
07:46We have Shelby Chigazawa,
07:48who is our social media lead.
07:50And she kind of has this
07:51niche understanding
07:53of certain corners of the internet.
07:55So anytime an ACM
07:58or an adult contacting a minor
07:59is talking about anime or gaming,
08:02we tag her in immediately.
08:04So she does a lot of the early
08:05on communications with our ACMs.
08:07Then we have Avalon Esposito,
08:10who is a writer by trade
08:12and she's our story developer.
08:14And so when we're putting decoys online,
08:16she really creates
08:17a substantial backstory for each one.
08:22Matt Monath is our visuals lead
08:24and he is the one
08:26who's responsible
08:27of transforming me
08:28from 38 to 15 digitally.
08:31That is amazing.
08:32I had to ask, you know,
08:34the makeup person is key here.
08:35I mean, you'll look gorgeous,
08:37but 38 and 15,
08:39a little bit of a difference, right?
08:41So to be, to pull that off,
08:42you really have to have the hair,
08:44the clothes, the shoes,
08:45even the mannerisms really down pat.
08:47That's really impressive.
08:48Do you have to practice
08:49kind of getting into these characters?
08:51I don't know that I practice
08:53so much that I scour TikTok
08:55for inspiration.
08:57Yeah, I mean, we're kind of,
08:59it's a little bit of a scramble
09:01when we're doing hair and makeup.
09:02Like none of us are necessarily experts.
09:04So we're doing hair and makeup
09:06and we're putting on teen clothing
09:08and we have the context
09:09of a teen bedroom.
09:11And then there are,
09:13there's language, you know,
09:14we study language
09:14of what young people
09:16are saying today,
09:17which can be very different
09:18from what they were saying
09:19a year ago.
09:20But we have to be able
09:21to study that
09:22so we can not only communicate
09:23effectively as a teenage decoy,
09:26but we can also identify
09:27when an adult
09:29is pretending to be a teenager.
09:31Wow, that is amazing.
09:32And I'm sure there are
09:33so many crop tops involved.
09:35I have two tween and teen daughters
09:36and it's all about the crop tops.
09:38You could not pay me enough money
09:39to roll in a crop top,
09:41but I feel like you could pull it off.
09:43I want you to imagine the pain
09:44of combining Spanx and a crop top.
09:48That has happened.
09:50The worlds collide.
09:52Yes.
09:52That's a rough one.
09:53So you and your team
09:56build these characters.
09:58You're setting up these decoys.
10:00And then how do the perpetrators
10:01find them?
10:02Are there tactics
10:03that they use
10:05to lure kids in?
10:07And I'd love to know,
10:08just for all the parents
10:09watching out there,
10:10if there are certain sites
10:11or apps that are kind of known
10:13to be the places
10:14these perpetrators circulate?
10:18All great questions.
10:19So when we post online
10:21or when we put a decoy online,
10:23what we're doing
10:24is very representative
10:27of how teenagers act online.
10:29If we're posting something
10:29on Instagram
10:30or if we're posting a video
10:32on TikTok,
10:33all very normal.
10:34And we kind of just sit there
10:36and wait.
10:37And these adults reach out to us.
10:40And that's when
10:40the communication starts.
10:41We're not the ones
10:42that are starting
10:43the communication.
10:44We don't reach out to an adult
10:46and start that dialogue ourselves.
10:49As far as specific apps
10:52that are worse than others,
10:53what I tell parents
10:54all the time
10:55is that regardless
10:56of the app
10:58or the website,
10:59as long as there's
11:01the capability
11:02to chat in it,
11:04as long as there's
11:05some sort of chat function,
11:06there's the opportunity
11:07to abuse a child.
11:09So for example,
11:10messages on
11:11Words with Friends,
11:13the Fitbit app,
11:15you know,
11:15any sort of gaming app,
11:17any sort of coloring book app,
11:18any sort of makeup app.
11:20It is not exclusive
11:21to Snapchat
11:22or TikTok
11:22or Instagram
11:23or those apps
11:24that we think of.
11:25It really runs the gamut.
11:27And especially,
11:28really,
11:28it's any app,
11:30any website,
11:30any platform
11:31where you're able
11:32to communicate
11:32with another person.
11:34However,
11:34as a parent myself
11:36of a teen
11:36and two tweens,
11:37I know for sure
11:39right line rules,
11:40no Omegle
11:41because it is
11:42a website
11:44where you are
11:44paired anonymously
11:45with someone else
11:47around the world
11:47and you can start
11:48chatting
11:48or you can start
11:49video chatting.
11:50We have seen
11:51so much adult content
11:52and so much
11:52abusive material
11:53on Omegle
11:54that I would just
11:55not want my kids
11:56to touch that
11:57with a 10-foot pole.
11:58Good to know.
12:00My kids,
12:00I'm so mean,
12:01mine don't even
12:01have a phone yet
12:02and they're in
12:03sixth and eighth grade.
12:04I'm like trying
12:05to just keep that
12:06at bay
12:06for as long as possible.
12:08So your work
12:10has obviously
12:11led to some
12:12very dark situations
12:14and we've been talking
12:14about mental health
12:15and obviously
12:16there are so many
12:16related concerns
12:19with social media
12:20and apps
12:21and just looking
12:21at screens
12:22but you're
12:23putting yourself
12:25in these situations
12:25that are taxing
12:26and must take
12:27an emotional toll.
12:28How do you
12:28kind of separate
12:30from that
12:30or you go through
12:32this day of
12:33cat and mouse
12:34online with
12:34these horrible people
12:35and then you go
12:36home to your family?
12:37How do you make it work?
12:39My flippant answer
12:40is not well
12:41but the more
12:43extensive answer
12:44is I do my very best
12:45to compartmentalize
12:46and separate the two.
12:48So when I'm here
12:49at the office
12:49I have no photos
12:51of my kids.
12:52I have no cute
12:53notes from them.
12:53I have no reminders
12:54that I am a mother
12:55here at the office
12:57because here at the office
12:58I am just the person
12:59that does this work.
13:02The flip side
13:03when I am at home
13:04I am just
13:05the mom.
13:06I am just
13:07the woman
13:07that signs
13:08field trip permission slips.
13:10I'm just the woman
13:10grocery shops online.
13:12That's my role there
13:14and I don't do work
13:15at home.
13:16It is really important
13:17to me to keep
13:18the two separate.
13:19Even with the clothing
13:20that I wear
13:21if I wear something
13:22as a decoy
13:23or if I'm scrambling
13:24and I have to keep
13:25my shirt on
13:25my regular adult
13:27middle-aged shirt on
13:29in order to do
13:29a video call
13:30because we're scrambling
13:31or something's happening
13:32last second
13:32that shirt is
13:34automatically deemed
13:35cursed
13:36and I can no longer
13:36wear it in my everyday life
13:38because I have to
13:39keep that separate
13:39otherwise
13:40I'm starting
13:41to muddy
13:42the waters
13:42between
13:43the person
13:44and me
13:45as a decoy
13:46and so I need
13:47to keep
13:47those things
13:47separate.
13:49The main thing
13:50that I keep
13:51coming back to
13:52is that
13:52yes
13:53these conversations
13:54are rough
13:55and it's abusive
13:56and it is
13:57taxing
13:58but better me
14:00than a 14 year old
14:02or a 13 year old
14:02or whomever.
14:05I am 38
14:06I have reasonable
14:07coping skills
14:08I have access
14:09to a therapist
14:10I have a support system
14:12I can recognize
14:13when something
14:14is affecting
14:14my mental health
14:15not every kid
14:16has those luxuries
14:18right
14:18not every kid
14:19feels like they
14:19have someone
14:20to talk to
14:20in fact
14:21a lot of kids
14:22feel super isolated
14:22in this
14:23so
14:24I feel lucky
14:27in that way
14:27I would rather
14:28absorb that
14:29than some kid
14:30who doesn't have
14:31the resources
14:32they need
14:33in order to
14:33deal with
14:35the kind
14:35of abuse
14:35that we see
14:36in undercover
14:37underage
14:37so as parents
14:39it's you know
14:40in today's day
14:41and age
14:41really hard
14:41to keep our kids
14:42totally removed
14:43from the internet
14:44and social media
14:45as much as we try
14:47to you know
14:48delay the process
14:49monitor what they're doing
14:50you know
14:50steer them toward
14:52being good digital citizens
14:53you know
14:54they're going to be
14:54exposed to it
14:55at some point
14:55and there are
14:56some really wonderful
14:56valuable tools
14:57out there
14:58on the internet
14:58for kids
14:59so what advice
15:01do you have
15:01for parents
15:02in going
15:04out there
15:04and having
15:05their kids
15:06access the web
15:07safely
15:07what would you
15:08recommend
15:09people look out
15:10for
15:10I think
15:12more than
15:12looking out
15:13for specific
15:14signs
15:14or specific
15:15apps
15:16or specific
15:16phone usage
15:17parents need
15:20to
15:20caregivers
15:21need to
15:21really foster
15:23open and honest
15:24lines of
15:25communications
15:25with their kids
15:26because that
15:27is going to be
15:28the one thing
15:29that really helps
15:30when something
15:31comes along
15:32that seems
15:33a little bit
15:33off
15:33if we can
15:34train our
15:35kids to
15:36trust their gut
15:37and be able
15:38to say
15:38oh that doesn't
15:39feel right
15:40or oh this
15:40message seems
15:41a little weird
15:41and feel
15:42comfortable enough
15:43to go to
15:44a parent
15:44or caregiver
15:45or trusted
15:46adult
15:46and say
15:46hey something's
15:48off here
15:48without fear
15:50of you know
15:51something punitive
15:52happening
15:52I think that's
15:53really important
15:54in fact
15:54I think
15:55one of the
15:55things that's
15:56keeping
15:56perpetrators
15:57safe
15:58keeping predators
15:59safe
16:00is victim
16:01blaming
16:01because kids
16:03are afraid
16:04they're afraid
16:04they're going
16:05to get in
16:05trouble
16:05they're afraid
16:06they're going
16:06to be blamed
16:07they're embarrassed
16:08so they don't
16:09tell their parents
16:10or they don't
16:11tell anyone
16:11and these
16:12predators are able
16:13to do what
16:14they do
16:14because they
16:16know that
16:16or they'll
16:17warn kids
16:18of that
16:18like your
16:18your parents
16:20would be
16:20really upset
16:20if they knew
16:21that you sent
16:22me those photos
16:23and so a lot
16:25of these kids
16:25are kind of
16:25just sitting
16:26in shame
16:28and so we
16:29need to
16:29remind kids
16:30that abuse
16:30is not
16:31their fault
16:31I liken
16:33the conversation
16:34about online
16:35safety to
16:35the sex talk
16:36I don't have
16:37the sex talk
16:38with my kids
16:38just once
16:39it's something
16:40that we talk
16:40about frequently
16:41we have
16:42conversations
16:43about puberty
16:44and consent
16:45and autonomy
16:45very frequently
16:46and we do
16:47the same
16:47when it comes
16:48to online
16:48safety
16:48and so
16:50while you
16:51are out there
16:52creating these
16:53personas
16:53I'm guessing
16:54you have
16:55you know
16:55supporting
16:56instagram
16:57accounts
16:57and tiktok
16:58accounts
16:58where you're
16:58this minor
16:59right
17:00do the
17:02perpetrators
17:03also have
17:04those
17:04fake
17:05backstories
17:07created online
17:08I'm just
17:08thinking of
17:09you know
17:09a friend
17:09of mine
17:09discovered
17:10that her
17:11son
17:11was
17:12chatting
17:12with a
17:13stranger
17:13online
17:14who was
17:14claiming
17:14to be
17:14an 11
17:15year old
17:15girl
17:15which
17:16it could
17:17have been
17:17an 11
17:17year old
17:17girl
17:18but how
17:18does a
17:18parent
17:18figure
17:19out
17:20if the
17:20person
17:21on the
17:21other
17:21end
17:22is
17:22who
17:22they
17:22say
17:22they
17:22are
17:23oftentimes
17:23I will
17:24say
17:24this
17:25it's
17:27important
17:27for kids
17:27to not
17:28speak
17:28with
17:29kids
17:30unless
17:30they
17:30actually
17:31know
17:31them
17:31in real
17:31life
17:32and here's
17:32why
17:33I have
17:33posed
17:34as an
17:3511 year
17:35old
17:35online
17:36and a
17:3613 year
17:37old
17:37online
17:38and a
17:38common
17:39tactic
17:39that
17:39perpetrators
17:40use
17:40in order
17:41to collect
17:41CSAM
17:43child sex
17:43abuse
17:44material
17:44also known
17:45as child
17:45porn
17:45is to
17:47pose
17:47online
17:48as another
17:4913 year
17:50old
17:50girl
17:50so
17:51I'll
17:52paint it
17:52for you
17:52this way
17:52I'm
17:54a
17:5413
17:54year
17:55old
17:55girl
17:55online
17:55there's
17:56another
17:5613
17:57year
17:57old
17:57girl
17:57and
17:58she
17:58messages
17:58and
17:58says
17:59oh
17:59you're
17:59so
17:59pretty
18:00we
18:01should
18:01totally
18:01be
18:01friends
18:02also
18:02there's
18:03this
18:03Instagram
18:03account
18:03that'll
18:04pay
18:04us
18:04for
18:05some
18:06cute
18:06photos
18:06or
18:07photos
18:07of
18:07our
18:07feet
18:08like
18:08they'll
18:08just
18:08Venmo
18:09us
18:09do
18:09you
18:10want
18:10to
18:10do
18:10it
18:10sure
18:11that
18:11sounds
18:11great
18:12great
18:12like
18:12we
18:12can
18:13be
18:13besties
18:14and
18:15she'll
18:15say
18:16let
18:17me
18:17give
18:18you
18:18a
18:18couple
18:18examples
18:18of
18:18photos
18:19and
18:19you
18:19pose
18:20just
18:20like
18:20this
18:21and
18:21send
18:21them
18:21back
18:21and
18:22so
18:22they
18:23send
18:23photos
18:23and
18:24it's
18:24maybe
18:24you know
18:26maybe
18:26they start
18:27off
18:27fairly
18:27innocuous
18:28and
18:28the
18:28photos
18:28get
18:28more
18:29and
18:29more
18:30abusive
18:31what's
18:31happening
18:32is
18:32it's
18:32not
18:33a
18:3313
18:33year
18:33old
18:33girl
18:34it's
18:35an
18:35adult
18:35using
18:36photos
18:37of
18:37an
18:37exploited
18:37minor
18:38in
18:39order
18:39to
18:40get
18:40more
18:41photos
18:41from
18:42a
18:42newly
18:42exploited
18:43minor
18:43that
18:45does
18:45happen
18:45a
18:46lot
18:46where
18:47they
18:47try
18:47to
18:47build
18:48trust
18:48as
18:48a
18:49peer
18:49in
18:50order
18:50to
18:51retrieve
18:52CSAM
18:53to be
18:53distributed
18:54sold
18:55on the
18:56dark
18:56web
18:56oh my
18:57goodness
18:58that's
18:58alarming
18:59so
19:00in
19:00that
19:01the
19:01fact
19:01that
19:01this
19:02is
19:02going
19:02on
19:02and
19:02it
19:03sounds
19:03like
19:03it's
19:03going
19:03on
19:03a
19:04lot
19:04and
19:04you
19:04really
19:05don't
19:05even
19:05have
19:05to
19:05work
19:05that
19:06hard
19:06to
19:06find
19:07you
19:07know
19:07these
19:07situations
19:08seem
19:09to
19:09exist
19:09over
19:10and
19:10over
19:10again
19:10where
19:11does
19:12the
19:12responsibility
19:12lie
19:13here
19:13and
19:14do
19:14social
19:15media
19:15companies
19:16have
19:17a
19:17role
19:17and
19:18you
19:18know
19:18are
19:18they
19:19complicit
19:20in
19:20just
19:20allowing
19:21this
19:21to
19:21happen
19:21so
19:21easily
19:22that's
19:23a
19:23great
19:24question
19:24I
19:24think
19:25now
19:25in
19:262021
19:26I
19:27think
19:27companies
19:27are
19:28starting
19:28to
19:28see
19:28that
19:29the
19:30onus
19:30is
19:31on
19:31them
19:31to
19:31keep
19:32their
19:32user
19:32base
19:32safe
19:33especially
19:33if
19:34they're
19:34allowing
19:35people
19:35as
19:35young
19:35as
19:3513
19:36on
19:36their
19:37platforms
19:37if
19:38not
19:39for
19:40moral
19:40reasons
19:41then
19:41certainly
19:41for
19:41liability
19:42reasons
19:43so
19:43I
19:44work
19:44as
19:44an
19:45advisor
19:45I'm
19:45an
19:45advisor
19:46for
19:46a
19:47tech
19:47company
19:47called
19:48Spectrum
19:48and
19:49they
19:49work
19:50with
19:50a
19:50lot
19:50of
19:50these
19:51social
19:51brands
19:51a
19:52lot
19:52of
19:52these
19:52consumer
19:52brands
19:53who
19:54are
19:54recognizing
19:55the
19:55need
19:55to
19:56keep
19:56their
19:56platform
19:57safe
19:57and
19:58they
19:58use
19:59artificial
19:59intelligence
20:00in order
20:00to
20:01detect
20:01signs
20:02of
20:02toxic
20:02behavior
20:03like
20:03child
20:04abuse
20:04like
20:05exploitation
20:06what
20:07we do
20:07at
20:07Sosa
20:08is
20:08we
20:08take
20:08a lot
20:09of
20:09the
20:09conversations
20:09that
20:10we
20:10have
20:10with
20:11predators
20:12and
20:12we
20:12identify
20:13patterns
20:14of
20:14behavior
20:14we
20:14identify
20:15patterns
20:15of
20:16language
20:16and
20:17we
20:17give
20:17them
20:17over
20:17to
20:18spectrum
20:18so
20:19they
20:19are
20:19able
20:19to
20:19better
20:20train
20:20their
20:21artificial
20:21intelligence
20:22to
20:22detect
20:23signs
20:23of
20:24online
20:24abuse
20:25and
20:26exploitation
20:27I
20:28think
20:28companies
20:29are
20:29starting
20:29to
20:29get
20:29it
20:29I
20:30talked
20:30to
20:30trust
20:30and
20:30safety
20:31professionals
20:31who
20:31definitely
20:32want to
20:32make
20:32their
20:32platform
20:33safer
20:33I
20:34think
20:34that's
20:34one
20:34part
20:34of
20:35it
20:35certainly
20:35I
20:36do
20:36think
20:36there
20:36are
20:36other
20:37aspects
20:39as
20:40well
20:40I
20:40would
20:41like
20:41to
20:41see
20:41grooming
20:42statutes
20:42in
20:42each
20:43state
20:43I
20:44do
20:44think
20:44there
20:45is
20:45the
20:45responsibility
20:46on
20:46communities
20:47to
20:47have
20:49some
20:49empathy
20:49led
20:49education
20:50to
20:50remind
20:51kids
20:51that
20:51you
20:52know
20:52abuse
20:53isn't
20:53their
20:53fault
20:53I
20:54have
20:54young
20:54people
20:55say
20:55to
20:55me
20:55all
20:55the
20:55time
20:56I
20:57wasn't
20:57sure
20:57if
20:57it
20:58was
20:58abuse
20:58because
20:58nobody
20:59put
20:59their
20:59hands
21:00on
21:00me
21:00kids
21:01need
21:01to
21:02be
21:02told
21:02that
21:03someone
21:04doesn't
21:04have
21:04to
21:04be
21:05in
21:05the
21:05same
21:05room
21:06as
21:06them
21:06in
21:06order
21:06for
21:07it
21:07to
21:07be
21:07sex
21:13so
21:15we
21:15don't
21:15face
21:16the
21:16same
21:16challenges
21:16that
21:17our
21:17kids
21:17face
21:18they
21:18need
21:19different
21:19kinds
21:19of
21:19tools
21:19they
21:20need
21:20a
21:20different
21:20kind
21:21of
21:21upbringing
21:21empathy
21:23in order
21:24to
21:25deal
21:27with
21:27this
21:28brave
21:28new
21:28world
21:29they're
21:29living
21:29in
21:29so
21:31true
21:31and
21:31you
21:31know
21:32one
21:32of
21:32the
21:32things
21:32I
21:32try
21:33to
21:33explain
21:33to
21:33my
21:34girls
21:34is
21:34that
21:35when
21:35you
21:36take
21:36a
21:36selfie
21:36or
21:37when
21:37you
21:37take
21:37a
21:37picture
21:38or
21:38a
21:38video
21:38of
21:39whether
21:39it's
21:39you
21:39or
21:39a
21:40friend
21:40it's
21:41there
21:42forever
21:42right
21:43and
21:43if
21:43you
21:43share
21:44that
21:44with
21:44somebody
21:45you
21:45never
21:45really
21:46know
21:46where
21:46it
21:46ends
21:46up
21:47and
21:47so
21:47I'm
21:48wondering
21:48in
21:49your
21:49opinion
21:50knowing
21:50so
21:50much
21:50about
21:51this
21:51are
21:51there
21:51healthy
21:52habits
21:53that
21:53you
21:53would
21:53want
21:53to
21:54instill
21:55in
21:55your
21:55kids
21:56just
21:56on
21:57their
21:57regular
21:57everyday
21:58photo
21:59sharing
22:00chatting
22:00with
22:00people
22:01they
22:01do
22:01know
22:02because
22:02I
22:03feel
22:03like
22:03that
22:04could
22:04be
22:04a
22:04slippery
22:05slope
22:05right
22:05if
22:05they
22:09videos
22:10of
22:10themselves
22:10in
22:11a
22:11harmless
22:12way
22:12so
22:12to
22:12speak
22:13it
22:13could
22:14lead
22:15to
22:16something
22:16more
22:17dangerous
22:17down
22:17the
22:17line
22:18what
22:18are
22:18your
22:18thoughts
22:18on
22:18that
22:19my
22:20mom
22:20when
22:21I
22:21was
22:21younger
22:21my
22:21mom
22:21gave
22:22me
22:22a
22:22piece
22:22of
22:22career
22:22advice
22:23that
22:23I
22:23feel
22:23like
22:23is
22:24salient
22:24for
22:24young
22:24people
22:25on
22:25the
22:25internet
22:25and
22:26that
22:26career
22:26advice
22:27is
22:27praise
22:28in
22:28writing
22:29and
22:30criticize
22:30in
22:31person
22:31so
22:32always
22:33have
22:33when
22:33you're
22:33speaking
22:34with
22:34co-workers
22:35or
22:35colleagues
22:35and
22:36you
22:36want
22:37to
22:38praise
22:38them
22:38put
22:38it
22:39in
22:39writing
22:40it's
22:40okay
22:40to
22:40have
22:40that
22:41as
22:41a
22:41paper
22:41trail
22:41if
22:42you
22:42want
22:42to
22:42criticize
22:43or
22:43make
22:44a
22:44complaint
22:44or
22:45you
22:45have
22:45a
22:45concern
22:45do
22:46that
22:46in
22:46person
22:47so
22:47your
22:48words
22:48aren't
22:48necessarily
22:49misconstrued
22:49or so
22:50there's
22:50no
22:50paper
22:50trail
22:50I
22:52say
22:53to
22:53kids
22:53to
22:54teens
22:54do
22:56not
22:56post
22:56anything
22:57or
22:57share
22:57anything
22:58in
22:58DMs
22:59or
22:59text
22:59messages
23:00with
23:00a
23:01friend
23:01that
23:01you
23:01wouldn't
23:02necessarily
23:02want
23:03your
23:03grandmother
23:03seeing
23:03grandmother
23:05might
23:06be
23:06an
23:06arbitrary
23:07you
23:07know
23:07parameter
23:08but
23:09anything
23:11can go
23:12anywhere
23:12and
23:13you
23:13know
23:13even
23:13if
23:13you
23:13trust
23:14your
23:14best
23:14friend
23:14even
23:14if
23:15you
23:15trust
23:15your
23:15boyfriend
23:16or
23:16your
23:16partner
23:16people
23:18have
23:18bad
23:18days
23:19and
23:19people
23:19get
23:21angry
23:21and
23:22do
23:22you
23:22really
23:23trust
23:23this
23:23person
23:24to
23:25keep
23:25your
23:25secrets
23:26for
23:26the
23:26rest
23:27of
23:27their
23:27entire
23:27lives
23:28so
23:29I
23:29do
23:29say
23:29to
23:30teenagers
23:30don't
23:32send
23:32nudes
23:34or
23:34partially
23:35naked
23:35photos
23:35just
23:35don't
23:36do
23:36it
23:36don't
23:36do
23:36it
23:37don't
23:37do
23:37it
23:37not
23:37worth
23:37it
23:38but
23:39if
23:39you're
23:39gonna
23:39do
23:39it
23:40don't
23:40put
23:41your
23:41face
23:41in
23:41it
23:41but
23:42don't
23:42do
23:42it
23:43but
23:43if
23:43you're
23:43gonna
23:43do
23:43it
23:44don't
23:44put
23:44your
23:44face
23:44in
23:44it
23:44but
23:45don't
23:45do
23:45it
23:45you
23:45know
23:46and
23:46that's
23:46kind
23:46of
23:46that's
23:47one
23:47thing
23:47that I
23:47do
23:47tell
23:48teenagers
23:48because
23:49you
23:50know
23:51I
23:51understand
23:51the
23:52impetus
23:53to
23:54want
23:55to
23:55be
23:55sexually
23:55desirable
23:56and
23:57want
23:57to
23:57share
23:58something
23:58on the
23:59you
23:59know
23:59via
24:00text
24:00messages
24:01via
24:01text
24:02message
24:02because
24:02that's
24:03what
24:03young
24:04people
24:04do
24:04now
24:05but
24:06you
24:06know
24:06not
24:07even
24:08just
24:08college
24:08admission
24:09or
24:09career
24:10in the
24:10future
24:10but
24:11for
24:11their
24:11own
24:11mental
24:12health
24:12for
24:12their
24:13own
24:13emotional
24:13health
24:14you
24:14don't
24:15want
24:15to
24:15put
24:15something
24:15in
24:15someone
24:16else's
24:16hands
24:16that
24:17can
24:17do
24:17whatever
24:18they
24:18want
24:19with
24:19it
24:19you
24:21patterns
24:21that
24:22technology
24:23companies
24:23are
24:24starting
24:25to be
24:25able
24:25to
24:25recognize
24:26using
24:27AI
24:28and
24:28other
24:28computer
24:30intelligence
24:32tell us
24:33about
24:33what
24:33these
24:33patterns
24:34are
24:34that
24:34perpetrators
24:35might
24:37use
24:37and
24:38is
24:38that
24:38something
24:38that
24:39parents
24:39can
24:39look
24:40out
24:40for
24:40I
24:42do
24:42think
24:42it's
24:42something
24:43that
24:43parents
24:43can
24:43look
24:44out
24:44for
24:44if
24:44they
24:45are
24:45having
24:45very
24:46regular
24:46discussions
24:47with
24:47their
24:47kids
24:48but
24:48this
24:48is
24:48the
24:49kind
24:49of
24:49thing
24:49that
24:49can
24:49happen
24:50pretty
24:50quickly
24:50maybe
24:52it's
24:52something
24:52they
24:52can
24:53share
24:53with
24:53their
24:53own
24:54kids
24:54when
24:54I
24:54speak
24:55with
24:55high
24:55schoolers
24:55and
24:55middle
24:55schoolers
24:56I
24:56do
24:56tell
24:57them
24:57about
24:57this
24:57so
24:58they
24:58can
24:58recognize
24:59it
24:59when
24:59it
24:59happens
25:00or
25:00if
25:00it
25:00happens
25:00one
25:01is
25:01called
25:02white
25:02nighting
25:03where
25:04an
25:04adult
25:04will
25:04talk
25:05to
25:05a
25:05kid
25:05and
25:05say
25:06hey
25:06you
25:07have
25:07to
25:07be
25:07really
25:08careful
25:08on
25:09the
25:09internet
25:09there
25:09are
25:09a lot
25:10of
25:10really
25:10bad
25:11guys
25:11out
25:11there
25:11who
25:12would
25:12totally
25:13want
25:13to
25:13take
25:13advantage
25:13of
25:14you
25:14and
25:14you
25:14really
25:15have
25:15to
25:15be
25:15careful
25:16and
25:17essentially
25:17what's
25:18implied
25:18is
25:18there
25:18are
25:19a lot
25:19of
25:19bad
25:19people
25:19out
25:19there
25:20but
25:20not
25:20me
25:20you
25:21can
25:21trust
25:21me
25:22I'll
25:22take
25:22care
25:23of
25:23you
25:23and
25:24that's
25:24just
25:24kind
25:24of
25:24a
25:25method
25:25of
25:25building
25:25trust
25:26in
25:26order
25:26for
25:26a
25:28minor
25:28to
25:28let
25:28their
25:28guard
25:28down
25:29another
25:31example
25:31is
25:32something
25:32that
25:32I
25:32call
25:33weaponizing
25:34puppies
25:34so
25:35when
25:35you
25:35and
25:35I
25:36were
25:36younger
25:36we
25:36were
25:37told
25:37hey
25:37if
25:38anyone
25:38ever
25:38comes
25:38up
25:38to
25:39you
25:39and
25:39says
25:39can
25:40you
25:40please
25:40help
25:40me
25:40find
25:41my
25:41dog
25:41don't
25:42go
25:42with
25:42them
25:42because
25:43they're
25:43probably
25:43trying
25:43to
25:44kidnap
25:44you
25:44the
25:45internet
25:45version
25:46of
25:46that
25:46is
25:47let's
25:47say
25:47they're
25:47talking
25:48on
25:48a
25:48kid
25:49and
25:49adult
25:49or
25:49talking
25:49on
25:50a
25:50public
25:50platform
25:50they
25:53might
25:53say
25:53hey
25:54if
25:55you
25:55give
25:55me
25:55your
25:55Instagram
25:56or
25:56if
25:56you
25:56give
25:56me
25:57your
25:57Snapchat
25:57I
25:58can
25:59show
25:59you
25:59pictures
25:59of
25:59my
25:59puppies
26:00give
26:01me
26:01your
26:01Instagram
26:02handle
26:02so I
26:02can
26:02send
26:03you
26:03photos
26:03of
26:03my
26:04puppies
26:04and
26:05you'd
26:06be
26:06surprised
26:06how
26:07often
26:07that's
26:07used
26:08with
26:08younger
26:09kids
26:0911
26:10year
26:10olds
26:1012
26:10year
26:10olds
26:1013
26:11year
26:11olds
26:11or
26:11they'll
26:12even
26:12say
26:12oh
26:12this
26:13is
26:13a
26:13picture
26:13of
26:13my
26:13toddler
26:14really
26:15leaning
26:15into
26:16the
26:16fact
26:16that
26:16they're
26:16a
26:16parent
26:17so
26:17they
26:17can
26:17be
26:17trusted
26:18that
26:19is
26:19another
26:20method
26:20another
26:21method
26:21we
26:22see
26:22is
26:22adults
26:23using
26:23something
26:24called
26:24the
26:24numbers
26:25game
26:25what
26:26happens
26:27is
26:27an
26:27adult
26:27will
26:28send
26:28a
26:28kid
26:29a
26:29link
26:29or
26:29an
26:29image
26:30of
26:30something
26:30called
26:30the
26:30numbers
26:31game
26:31and
26:31there's
26:32a
26:32series
26:32of
26:32numbers
26:32that
26:33correspond
26:34with
26:34a
26:34series
26:35of
26:35questions
26:35and
26:36they
26:36start
26:36off
26:36really
26:36benign
26:37number
26:37one
26:37might
26:38be
26:38your
26:38middle
26:38name
26:38number
26:39seven
26:39might
26:39be
26:39your
26:40favorite
26:40color
26:40number
26:41nine
26:41might
26:41be
26:42you
26:42know
26:42it
26:42just
26:43kind
26:43of
26:43keeps
26:44going
26:44so
26:44instead
26:45of
26:45saying
26:46Kyla
26:47what's
26:47your
26:47favorite
26:47color
26:48I
26:49might
26:49just
26:49say
26:49number
26:50seven
26:50and
26:51you
26:51would
26:51look
26:51at
26:51the
26:51list
26:52see
26:52that
26:52it's
26:53what's
26:53your
26:53favorite
26:53color
26:53and
26:54respond
26:54to
26:54me
26:54it
26:56takes
26:56the
26:57actual
26:58question
26:58out
26:59of
26:59it
26:59so
26:59they're
27:00just
27:00saying
27:00a
27:01number
27:01so
27:02when
27:02it
27:02gets
27:02to
27:02the
27:03more
27:03insidious
27:04questions
27:05like
27:05what
27:08kind
27:08of
27:08underwear
27:09are
27:09you
27:09wearing
27:09or
27:10how
27:11far
27:12have
27:12you
27:12gone
27:12sexually
27:13or
27:14would
27:14you
27:14ever
27:14do
27:15this
27:15or
27:15have
27:15you
27:15ever
27:16done
27:16that
27:16really
27:17sexual
27:18and
27:18starting
27:18to be
27:19abusive
27:19questions
27:20they're
27:21not
27:21saying
27:22it
27:22themselves
27:22they're
27:22not
27:23saying
27:23you
27:24know
27:24would
27:24you
27:24ever
27:24xyz
27:25they're
27:26just
27:26saying
27:26number
27:2773
27:27it
27:28kind
27:28of
27:28removes
27:28that
27:29yuckiness
27:30from
27:31the
27:31conversation
27:31so
27:32a
27:32kid
27:32might
27:32feel
27:33a
27:33little
27:33bit
27:34more
27:34comfortable
27:34it
27:35puts
27:36some
27:36sort
27:36of
27:37layer
27:38in
27:38our
27:39minds
27:39that
27:40makes
27:41it
27:41feel
27:41safer
27:41so
27:42those
27:42are
27:42three
27:43things
27:43that
27:43I
27:44always
27:44warn
27:44high
27:46schoolers
27:46or
27:46middle
27:46schoolers
27:47about
27:47so
27:49that's
27:49very
27:50disturbing
27:50now
27:51let's
27:51say
27:51there's
27:51a
27:51parent
27:52out
27:52there
27:52listening
27:52right
27:52now
27:53and
27:53they're
27:53like
27:54oh
27:54my
27:54gosh
27:55the
27:55numbers
27:55game
27:56just
27:56saw
27:56this
27:57come
27:57through
27:57on
27:58the
27:58text
27:58the
27:58other
27:59day
27:59so
28:00they've
28:00discovered
28:00that
28:01their
28:01kid
28:01has
28:01potentially
28:01been
28:02contacted
28:03or
28:03abused
28:03by
28:03a
28:04predator
28:04what
28:05does
28:05that
28:05parent
28:06do
28:06in
28:06that
28:06situation
28:06so
28:09if
28:10a
28:10parent
28:11has
28:11confirmed
28:12or
28:12if
28:13a
28:13parent
28:13has
28:13discovered
28:14that
28:15someone
28:15has
28:16broken
28:17the
28:17law
28:17or
28:17been
28:17abusive
28:18to
28:18their
28:18kid
28:19in
28:19some
28:19way
28:19they
28:20should
28:20absolutely
28:20take
28:21screen
28:21grabs
28:21and
28:22send
28:22that
28:22information
28:22over
28:23to
28:23the
28:24FBI
28:24hotline
28:25there's
28:25a
28:25Nick
28:26Nick
28:26tip
28:26line
28:26local
28:27law
28:27enforcement
28:28see
28:28if
28:28there's
28:29an
28:29internet
28:29crimes
28:29against
28:29children
28:30task
28:30force
28:31that
28:31can
28:31handle
28:31that
28:34is
28:35to
28:35always
28:35lead
28:36with
28:36care
28:36and
28:36concern
28:37because
28:37even
28:38if
28:38their
28:38child
28:39seems
28:39fine
28:40they've
28:40just
28:40been
28:41through
28:41it
28:41and
28:42those
28:43kids
28:43need
28:43to be
28:43reminded
28:44that
28:44abuse
28:45is
28:45not
28:45their
28:45fault
28:45this
28:47seems
28:48like
28:48such
28:48a
28:48heavy
28:49topic
28:50and
28:51line
28:51of
28:51work
28:52for
28:52you
28:52what
28:53got
28:53you
28:53involved
28:54in
28:54this
28:54field
28:55in
28:55the
28:55first
28:56place
28:56I
28:57am
28:58a
28:58career
28:58long
28:59writer
28:59I've
28:59always
29:00cared
29:00about
29:00advocacy
29:01and
29:01child
29:02advocacy
29:02I've
29:03written
29:03about
29:03sex
29:03trafficking
29:04and
29:04the
29:05refugee
29:05crisis
29:05and
29:06poverty
29:07and
29:07sex
29:08abuse
29:08I
29:09was
29:09working
29:09for
29:10a
29:10tech
29:10company
29:11in
29:11the
29:11child
29:11safety
29:11space
29:12and
29:12my
29:13team
29:13put
29:13a
29:14decoy
29:14online
29:14kind
29:15of
29:15to
29:15demonstrate
29:16the
29:16ubiquity
29:17of
29:17predation
29:17online
29:18I
29:19ended
29:19up
29:20writing
29:20about
29:20it
29:20that
29:21piece
29:21went
29:22viral
29:22and
29:22got
29:22some
29:23media
29:23attention
29:23and
29:25it
29:25really
29:25inspired
29:28me
29:28to
29:28start
29:32Sosa
29:32because
29:32I felt
29:33like
29:33we
29:33needed
29:33to
29:34put
29:34more
29:35of
29:35an
29:35effort
29:35behind
29:36it
29:36and
29:36see
29:36what
29:36we
29:37could
29:37do
29:37to
29:37help
29:37move
29:38the
29:38needle
29:39when
29:39it
29:39comes
29:39to
29:39online
29:40sex
29:40abuse
29:40and
29:40exploitation
29:41It
29:41seems
29:42that
29:42within
29:42seconds
29:43of
29:43your
29:43accounts
29:44going
29:44online
29:44you
29:45have
29:45a
29:45sea
29:46of
29:46grown
29:46men
29:47reaching
29:47out
29:47to
29:47you
29:47What
29:48is
29:48your
29:48goal
29:49with
29:49this
29:49docu-series
29:50and
29:50with
29:50Sosa
29:50The
29:50overarching
29:51goal
29:52is to
29:52prevent
29:53the
29:54online
29:54sex
29:54abuse
29:54and
29:55exploitation
29:55of
29:55children
29:56and
29:56we
29:57do
29:57this
29:57in
29:57a
29:57number
29:58of
29:58ways
29:58I
29:59think
29:59raising
29:59awareness
30:00is
30:00the
30:00most
30:00important
30:01part
30:01it's
30:02really
30:02about
30:02more
30:03than
30:03just
30:04identifying
30:04one
30:05perpetrator
30:05at
30:06a
30:06time
30:06because
30:07in
30:07the
30:07grand
30:08scheme
30:08of
30:08things
30:08with
30:09the
30:09volume
30:09of
30:09perpetrators
30:10out
30:16will
30:17be
30:17that
30:18includes
30:18education
30:19that
30:20includes
30:20raising
30:21awareness
30:21among
30:21parents
30:22and
30:22caregivers
30:22and
30:23schools
30:23empathy
30:24led
30:24education
30:25with
30:25kids
30:26inspiring
30:27laws
30:28I'd love
30:29to see
30:29the age
30:29of consent
30:30being raised
30:31from 16
30:32to 18
30:32rooming
30:33statutes
30:34in all
30:34states
30:35and
30:36finding
30:36paths
30:37to
30:37rehabilitation
30:38for
30:38would-be
30:38perpetrators
30:39before they
30:39actually
30:40ever break
30:40the law
30:41there are
30:42a lot
30:42of ways
30:42that I'd
30:42like to
30:43see us
30:44support
30:44these
30:45initiatives
30:45including
30:46giving
30:46law
30:47enforcement
30:47the
30:47resources
30:48they
30:48need
30:48to
30:48combat
30:49all
30:49of
30:49this
30:49and
30:51do
30:52your
30:52kids
30:52know
30:52what
30:53you
30:53do
30:53for
30:53work
30:53my
30:55kids
30:55do
30:55they
30:56have
30:57each
30:57have
30:57an
30:58age
30:58appropriate
30:58understanding
30:59of what
30:59I
30:59do
30:59my
31:00eldest
31:00who
31:00is
31:01a
31:01teenager
31:01gets
31:02it
31:02and
31:02she
31:03understands
31:03she's
31:04very proud
31:04of mom
31:05which feels
31:05really nice
31:06and the
31:07other two
31:07have
31:07you know
31:08high level
31:09understanding
31:10of what
31:10I do
31:10that's
31:12so
31:12interesting
31:12I could
31:12see my
31:13kids
31:13being
31:13like
31:14oh
31:14my
31:14god
31:15mom
31:15you're
31:15so
31:16embarrassing
31:16with your
31:17teenage
31:17outfits
31:18I don't
31:20let them
31:21watch the
31:21show
31:21but my
31:23eldest
31:23and I
31:24don't
31:24let my
31:25eldest
31:25watch it
31:26simply because
31:26it's her
31:27mom in it
31:28but her
31:29friends watch
31:29it and
31:30her friends
31:34like it
31:35so I
31:35haven't
31:36completely
31:36embarrassed
31:37her yet
31:37well I
31:39guess in
31:39a way
31:40it's you
31:40know you're
31:40spreading
31:41awareness
31:41and for
31:41the kids
31:42themselves
31:42you know
31:43to see
31:44this
31:44playing out
31:45with someone
31:45that they
31:46know in
31:46their lives
31:47must be
31:48like oh
31:48wow this
31:49is a real
31:49thing you
31:49know because
31:50it's not
31:50something that
31:51a lot of
31:51kids talk
31:52about I
31:52would imagine
31:52I think
31:54also for
31:54them knowing
31:55that my
31:55daughter does
31:56have a
31:56cell phone
31:56and does
31:57have devices
31:57and does
31:58have internet
31:58access
31:58I love
32:00technology
32:00it allows
32:01me to
32:01do a
32:02zoom with
32:03you or
32:03to watch
32:04the news
32:05or to
32:06FaceTime a
32:07family member
32:07in another
32:07country
32:08gives me
32:09access to
32:09cultures
32:10and you
32:10know
32:11information
32:11I think
32:12technology is
32:13great
32:13it's just
32:15also another
32:15avenue that
32:17abusers can
32:18use as
32:19well so
32:19that's where
32:20all of this
32:21comes in
32:21where we
32:22have to
32:22you know
32:23make new
32:24rules and
32:25have new
32:26tactics
32:26so one
32:28more question
32:29that I
32:29know I'm
32:30sure a lot
32:30of parents
32:30out there
32:31are wondering
32:31you mentioned
32:32that your
32:33kids have
32:33cell phones
32:34do you
32:35recommend
32:36any sort
32:36of parental
32:37control
32:38or filter
32:39or something
32:40on their
32:40phones so
32:41that you
32:42as like
32:43the Beyonce
32:44of watching
32:45out for bad
32:45stuff happening
32:46on the internet
32:47would be
32:48instantly aware
32:49of or are
32:50you just like
32:50you know my
32:51kids have
32:52we've had the
32:52talk I trust
32:53them go forth
32:54and let's
32:55hope for the
32:55best
32:56well we
32:57do have
32:58some
32:58parameters
32:59we do
32:59have some
32:59rules in
33:00our home
33:01so for
33:02example they
33:02can't charge
33:03their phones
33:04in their
33:05bedrooms
33:05overnight
33:06the phones
33:06go into
33:07this little
33:07docking station
33:08in the
33:09kitchen
33:09so they
33:10don't have
33:10their phones
33:11in their
33:11bedrooms
33:11you know
33:12at 11pm
33:13texting
33:13they should
33:14be asleep
33:14there are
33:15a lot of
33:16monitoring
33:17services out
33:17there
33:18none of
33:19them I
33:19believe
33:20are
33:20comprehensive
33:22enough
33:22and I
33:23don't want
33:23parents to
33:24have a false
33:25sense of
33:25security
33:25right
33:26because
33:26like before
33:27I said
33:27it's not
33:27just the
33:28snapchat
33:29or the
33:29instagram
33:29it's a
33:31lot of
33:31different
33:31apps
33:32and a
33:32lot of
33:33these
33:33services
33:34are
33:34limited
33:34parents can
33:36use something
33:36like circle
33:37where it
33:37can disable
33:38internet
33:39all the way
33:40around
33:40throughout the
33:41households
33:41and all
33:41devices
33:42and can
33:42block
33:43certain
33:43websites
33:43I
33:45just
33:45always
33:46want to
33:46remind
33:46parents
33:47that
33:47even
33:48the
33:48coloring
33:48book
33:49app
33:49even
33:50the
33:50gaming
33:50app
33:51even
33:51you know
33:52the most
33:53innocuous
33:53benign
33:54app
33:54you can
33:54think
33:54of
33:55even
33:55words
33:55with
33:56friends
33:56if
33:57someone
33:57can
33:57communicate
33:58on it
33:58then someone
33:58can also
33:59abuse a
33:59kid on it
34:00so for us
34:01the best
34:02defense is
34:03just having
34:03conversations
34:04all the time
34:05and really
34:07kind of
34:08encouraging that
34:09feeling that if
34:10something feels
34:10wrong it
34:11probably is wrong
34:12and just go with
34:13that gut feeling
34:13and let mom
34:14help you
34:15great advice
34:16so I guess
34:17my last
34:18question is
34:19what do you
34:19hope the show
34:20achieves
34:20as long
34:22as the
34:22docuseries
34:23has been
34:24able to
34:25raise awareness
34:26about online
34:27sex abuse
34:28and exploitation
34:29has educated
34:30a group of
34:31parents and
34:32caregivers
34:32has educated
34:33young people
34:34maybe inspires
34:36a couple
34:36legislative
34:37changes
34:38all of that
34:40will have felt
34:40like enough
34:41and I
34:43think that
34:44for me
34:45what I would
34:46like to see
34:46happen is
34:47I would
34:48like for
34:48every parent
34:49to be aware
34:50of what can
34:51happen online
34:51and I would
34:52like for
34:53every kid
34:54to know
34:54that abuse
34:55isn't their
34:55fault
34:56I would
34:56love to
34:57see a
34:57real community
34:58effort
34:58behind
34:59eradicating
35:00online sex
35:01abuse
35:01and exploitation
35:02wow
35:04that's a
35:04really incredible
35:06mission and the
35:06work you do
35:07is so meaningful
35:07I know
35:08that after
35:09watching this
35:10you know
35:10the fans
35:11out there
35:11will have
35:11a lot
35:12of questions
35:12where can
35:13they find
35:13you and
35:14more information
35:15on SOSA
35:15if they want
35:16to get
35:16involved
35:16sure
35:17so we're
35:18online at
35:18sosatogether.org
35:20we're also
35:20on all the
35:21social media
35:22channels at
35:23SOSA
35:24together
35:24I'm online
35:25at
35:26Roo
35:26R-O-O
35:27underscore
35:28POW
35:28P-O-W
35:29on you know
35:30Twitter
35:30Instagram
35:31all the
35:33things
35:33and please
35:34feel free
35:34to reach
35:35out
35:35ask a
35:36question
35:36we're here
35:36to help
35:37well Roo
35:38thank you
35:39so much
35:39for this
35:40incredibly
35:40important
35:41talk
35:41and for
35:42the bravery
35:42that you
35:44display
35:45going
35:45undercover
35:46to showcase
35:46this issue
35:47of child
35:47predation
35:48I mean
35:48you're
35:48really
35:48it's so
35:50eye-opening
35:50and I
35:51really think
35:51that your
35:51work with
35:51SOSA
35:52is doing
35:53a lot
35:53to help
35:55protect our
35:55kids and
35:56change some
35:57of these
35:57policies
35:57to make
35:59things safer
35:59for our
36:00kids out
36:00there so
36:00thank you
36:01so much
36:01thank you
36:02again
36:03again
36:03I'm
36:04Mikaela
36:04from
36:05Scary
36:05Mommies
36:05Live
36:06Work
36:06Thrive
36:06we
36:06stream
36:07every
36:07Tuesday
36:08and you
36:08can
36:08follow
36:08me
36:09at
36:09Mikaela
36:09Birmingham
36:10we hope
36:11you'll catch
36:11up with
36:11and then watch
36:12the finale
36:13of
36:13Undercover
36:14Underage
36:14which releases
36:15tomorrow
36:15on Discovery
36:16Plus
36:17thank you
36:17for joining
36:18us on
36:18the latest
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