A Ministra romena apoia o esforço de Trump para afastar totalmente a UE da energia russa

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00:00Música

00:00My guest today is Romanian Foreign Minister Oana Tsoiu.

00:12Romania shares the EU's longest land border with Ukraine

00:15and is in the crossfire of Moscow's hybrid war.

00:19Minister Tsoiu came into the role in June this year

00:22after a period of turbulence for Romania's democracy

00:25and amid escalating tensions between Europe and Russia.

00:30Minister Tsoiu, thank you so much for joining us.

00:31Welcome to the show.

00:32Thank you for having us.

00:34So I'd like to start with security and defence

00:36because Romania has experienced several instances of drones

00:39violating its airspace, most recently in early September.

00:44How do you assess the scale of this threat to Romania's security?

00:49We're a country that is safe because we have our own capacity to defend

00:54but also because we have the allied forces present in Romania

00:58but also we have been here together with our Ministry of Defence,

01:01Mr. Jonas Mostanu, on his side, alongside the other ministries

01:05and in the NATO format, they are working on the preparedness

01:09and the increase of our military capacity.

01:13On our side, even in events from the civil society,

01:17as has been the one from the Friends of Europe

01:19and Jacques Delors Foundation recently,

01:21we're working on the societal resilience.

01:23What do I mean by that is that even if the general audience

01:27has typically noticed the actual incursion into our airspace

01:32and other countries as well by the Russian drones,

01:36those have always been together with misinformation campaigns,

01:40with the tests that Russia has put on our democracy,

01:44on our information spaces,

01:45to also try to change the narrative around those incursions.

01:48We'll get to that issue of societal threat that you mentioned

01:54but on the military side, can you give us a sense

01:56of whether Romania is actually prepared to shoot down

02:00these intruding drones and aircrafts

02:02if they're considered a real threat?

02:05Yes, we are prepared.

02:07We have changed our laws recently

02:09so we allow for the pilots of the planes

02:13that are following the drones to shoot,

02:15if that is the case, also we have changed the legislation

02:19so we allow for different air defence systems

02:21to be able to also, in the case it is needed,

02:24to shoot them down.

02:25It has actually been the case with the recent drone incursion

02:28that the Minister of Defence has given the approval

02:31to shoot down the drones.

02:32It is always a matter, though, of assessing the risk

02:36if whether the actual shooting down of the drone

02:38doesn't create more risk on the ground

02:40than the potential risk from the drone itself.

02:43But we do have the capacity, the political will and decision.

02:46If we can contribute to diminish the risks

02:49that are created on Ukrainian territory

02:52we're going to contribute to that as well

02:54making sure that if they enter our territory

02:57we are ready to use our capacity to take them down.

03:01Because you are on the front line

03:02you have the EU's longest land border with Ukraine.

03:05Your government has also said it wants to partner with Ukraine

03:07to build more drones, defensive drones.

03:10Can you give us more information about the scale of that partnership?

03:14When could these drones be operational?

03:16So we have had conversation at the defence level

03:18but also at the foreign affairs level and governmental level

03:21to create common projects

03:24but also to create the needed laws and needed approvals

03:28so that the private sphere also advances faster in that direction.

03:33For example, we already have in the private industries

03:35projects that are Romanian-Ukrainian

03:38in the sense that they also test the drones commonly

03:43using their common knowledge

03:44and they have also recently acquired investments from the United States.

03:49We want to continue with even more projects

03:52even from the public sphere

03:53and to be able to have that not just for our own needs

03:57in terms of military procurement and capacity

04:01but also to create this offering

04:03together with combat-tested know-how

04:07that the Ukrainians now have

04:09in order to have that offering

04:11for other states that might need them.

04:13So you are talking about the potential

04:14to use these to protect the eastern flank beyond Romania?

04:18Yes, we are assessing now potential projects

04:21that do not only produce for our own needs

04:24but can also create an offering for other countries

04:27that want to increase their capacity.

04:30Because when we look at the defence priority

04:33it is clearly that now we have a commitment

04:35at the NATO side but also at the European level side

04:38to increase our budgets to be able to meet that ambition.

04:42You mentioned NATO commitment, EU commitments.

04:45The commitments are certainly there.

04:46that we have various initiatives now

04:47in order to protect the eastern flank,

04:50the so-called drone wall.

04:51The EU has just said that it thinks

04:53that could be fully functional by 2027.

04:57Do you agree with that assessment?

04:58We agree with that assessment

05:00and we believe time is of the essence.

05:02Even when we look at the procurements

05:04from now on time is going to be an essential element

05:07and we have seen that in many other countries

05:10that it is not just about the budget

05:12or the capacity or even the strategic partnerships

05:15between countries but it has increasingly become a conversation

05:19that looks at the time element more

05:22because obviously we feel the risk more present

05:25than we have done before Russia has started

05:28this unprovoked aggression towards Ukraine.

05:31You also met with the US Secretary of State

05:34Marco Rubio just recently.

05:37On Ukraine, what was your message to him

05:39and his administration?

05:41We have talked about our common ambition

05:43to help to have a peace deal in Ukraine as well

05:49but also about our reluctance

05:50in terms of what we see coming from Russia.

05:54We do not see the proper action gestures

05:56or decisions in that direction.

05:58That is why we are having a continuous conversation

06:01on the increase of pressure.

06:04We agree in Romania

06:05and I have mentioned this to Secretary of State

06:08Marco Rubio as well

06:09that the ambition that President Trump has put forward

06:12the request actually

06:13to members of the European Union

06:15to cut off from energy sources from Russia

06:18that generate profit

06:20that then is used to fund the war

06:22is the proper decision.

06:24Romania has taken that decision for a while now.

06:26Some of the other countries in the region

06:28though are not aligned with you on this.

06:31They want to continue buying Russian gas.

06:35Do you think President Trump

06:37can put pressure on them to change their minds?

06:40I think President Trump has shown

06:42that he is willing to use

06:44the power of the United States

06:45and the power of his messages

06:46to create pressure

06:48where he considers that is the case.

06:51I also think that what is needed

06:52is to have alternatives

06:54in the sense that

06:55it is needed in our continent

06:58to have energy sources

07:00that are clean,

07:01that are reliable

07:02and that are at the right pricing

07:04to allow for that decoupling to happen.

07:09We have seen for example

07:10energy be used as a war weapon

07:12by Russia towards Moldova for example

07:15and it has been very important

07:17that together with Moldova and Ukraine

07:19with help from the European Commission

07:22we have managed to mitigate that very fast.

07:24We will come on to the issue of Moldova

07:26and just a bit

07:27but you mentioned earlier on

07:29these societal threats in Romania

07:31and over the past year

07:33especially since that presidential runoff

07:35was cancelled back in December

07:37there has been a lot of scrutiny

07:38on democracy in Romania.

07:40How are you recovering from this?

07:42How are you restoring trust

07:44not only in public institutions

07:45but also in Romania's pro-Western path?

07:49So Romania has always had

07:51a pro-Western path

07:53a pro-European path

07:54for many years now

07:55and this has always been clear

07:56by every Euro barometer

07:58every research that has been done

08:00in the same time

08:01we have seen our elections

08:02being threatened

08:04by foreign interference

08:05and by instruments

08:07that do not align

08:08with the principle of democracy

08:10and democratic options and votes.

08:13So some of the things

08:15that have happened since then

08:16is that our president

08:17Nikos Ordan

08:18has presented the full report

08:19of the informations

08:21that were gathered

08:22by the Romanian institution

08:23at that point

08:24and he presented that report

08:26to the European leaders

08:27but he also decided

08:28to make that public.

08:30They will continue to share

08:31the resources that they have

08:32and the lessons learned.

08:34And this is important

08:35because those threats

08:37do not disappear

08:37even if we have one in Romania

08:39in Moldova

08:40the pro-European path

08:42has won spectacularly

08:44I would say.

08:44we believe

08:46and we expect

08:47that the interferences

08:48will continue

08:49in the sense that

08:50we see the same type

08:52of intentions

08:53in terms of malign narratives

08:55so it is very important

08:57that we defend ourselves

08:59not just at the country level

09:00but at the European Union level

09:02and that we support

09:03countries that want

09:04to join the European Union

09:06in the same process.

09:07You mentioned Moldova

09:08I did want to ask you

09:09and you mentioned

09:09the spectacular

09:10you said victory

09:11for Maya Sandor

09:12the President's

09:13pro-EU past party.

09:15Now there is

09:17a sense of frustration

09:17in some countries

09:18that the EU accession process

09:19is not going quick enough.

09:21Is it time to decouple

09:23Moldova's bid

09:24from Ukraine

09:25which is being blocked

09:26by Viktor Orban

09:27and Hungary?

09:27It's time to de-block

09:28Ukraine as well.

09:30I think that is

09:31very important now.

09:32Now we need to focus

09:33on the merit-based approach

09:34which practically

09:35essentially means

09:36that each country

09:37by its own merit

09:38needs to be recognized

09:40and in that case

09:41Moldova

09:42but Ukraine as well

09:43are way more ahead

09:45than where

09:46the European Union

09:47collectively acknowledges it

09:49in the sense

09:49where you need to have

09:50not just cluster one open

09:52but the rest of the clusters

09:53as well

09:54can be open.

09:55and we need to not forget

09:57about the Western Balkans

09:58and why do I mean that

09:59is because I've met today

10:00Montenegro, Albania

10:02they have done

10:03spectacular work

10:04and this is also

10:05a momentum for them

10:07to...

10:07But if I may

10:07it's a merit-based process

10:09and you said it

10:10but it's still being held back

10:11by political will

10:12of Viktor Orban

10:13who wants to block

10:14Ukraine's accession

10:15so shouldn't it be the case

10:16that for Moldova

10:17to be able to progress

10:18that it needs to be decoupled

10:20from being coupled

10:21with Ukraine

10:22in this process?

10:23Well I think

10:23what we need to do

10:25is to make sure

10:26also internally

10:26that we have the proper

10:28decision-making reforms

10:29because it is clearly

10:30not just the merit

10:32of Moldova

10:32the merit of Ukraine

10:33Albania, Montenegro

10:34and so on

10:35we can go on

10:35but it is clearly

10:37a problem that we have

10:38for ourselves

10:39if the will of 26 countries

10:41is blocked irresponsibly

10:43just by one single vote

10:45and we need to do

10:46the proper reforms

10:47but also fully use

10:48the current frame

10:49that we have to move forward.

10:50So you agree with European Council

10:52President Kosh's proposal

10:54to change the rule

10:55so that it is not unanimity

10:57but a qualified majority

10:58to open the next stage?

10:59We are going to have

11:00the Council soon

11:02and the final decision

11:02is going to come of that

11:03but yes, Romania thinks

11:05we need to move faster

11:06and we need to make sure

11:08we do not block

11:09our common decisions

11:10So you support changing

11:11from unanimity

11:12on this issue?

11:13We are going to have

11:14our President present

11:15and the Council

11:16with the position

11:17but Romania's stance

11:19is very clear

11:20towards de-blocking

11:21both Moldova and Ukraine

11:22And you would be willing

11:24to do that

11:24through changing the rules

11:26on unanimity?

11:27As I was saying

11:28the President is going to be

11:29present at the Council

11:29and the final decision

11:31is going to come out of that

11:32but Romania's position

11:33so far

11:34is to make sure

11:35that we de-block

11:36both Moldova and Ukraine

11:37and if that is not possible

11:39we are having a conversation

11:40that is not separate

11:42from the conversation

11:43we are having with Ukraine

11:44we need to have

11:45the acceptance

11:47the approval

11:48and the support

11:49of everyone

11:49that is on board

11:50to be able to move further

11:52I want to thank you so much

11:54Thank you

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