A román külügy támogatja Trump törekvését, hogy az EU teljesen leváljon az orosz energiáról

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A román külügy támogatja Trump törekvését, hogy az EU teljesen leváljon az orosz energiáról  A szomszédos Szlovákia és Magyarország ellenáll a Trump-kormány nyomásának, amely az orosz energiatermékek vásárlásának felfüggesztésére buzdít.  BŐVEBBEN : http://hu.euronews.com/2025/10/22/a-roman-kulugy-tamogatja-trump-torekveset-hogy-az-eu-teljesen-levaljon-az-orosz-energiarol  Iratkozzon fel: Az Euronews elérhető 12 nyelven

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00:00My guest today is Romanian Foreign Minister Oana Tsoiu.

00:12Romania shares the EU's longest land border with Ukraine

00:15and is in the crossfire of Moscow's hybrid war.

00:19Minister Tsoiu came into the role in June this year

00:22after a period of turbulence for Romania's democracy

00:25and amid escalating tensions between Europe and Russia.

00:30Minister Tsoiu, thank you so much for joining us. Welcome to the show.

00:32Thank you for having us.

00:34So I'd like to start with security and defence

00:36because Romania has experienced several instances of drones violating its airspace,

00:41most recently in early September.

00:44How do you assess the scale of this threat to Romania's security?

00:49We're a country that is safe because we have our own capacity to defend

00:54but also because we have the allied forces present in Romania.

00:58But also we have been here together with our Ministry of Defence,

01:01Mr. Jonas Mostanu.

01:03On his side, alongside the other ministries and in the NATO format,

01:07they are working on the preparedness and the increase of our military capacity.

01:12On our side, even in events from the civil society,

01:17as has been the one from the Friends of Europe and Jacques Delors Foundation recently,

01:21we're working on the societal resilience.

01:23What do I mean by that is that even if the general audience has typically noticed

01:29the actual incursion into our airspace and other countries as well by the Russian drones,

01:36those have always been together with misinformation campaigns,

01:40with the tests that Russia has put on our democracy, on our information spaces,

01:45to also try to change the narrative around those incursions.

01:48We'll get to that issue of societal threat that you mentioned,

01:54but on the military side, can you give us a sense of whether Romania is actually prepared

01:59to shoot down these intruding drones and aircrafts if they're considered a real threat?

02:05Yes, we are prepared.

02:07We have changed our laws recently,

02:09so we allow for the pilots of the planes that are following the drones to shoot,

02:15if that is the case.

02:17Also, we have changed the legislation,

02:19so we allow for different air defence systems to be able to also,

02:23in the case it is needed, to shoot them down.

02:25It has actually been the case with the recent drone incursion

02:28that the Minister of Defence has given the approval to shoot down the drones.

02:32It is always a matter, though, of assessing the risk,

02:36whether the actual shooting down of the drone

02:38doesn't create more risk on the ground

02:40than the potential risk from the drone itself.

02:43But we do have the capacity, the political will and decision.

02:46If we can contribute to diminish the risks that are created on Ukrainian territory,

02:52we're going to contribute to that as well,

02:54making sure that if they enter our territory,

02:57we are ready to use our capacity to take them down.

03:01Because you are on the front line,

03:02you have the EU's longest land border with Ukraine.

03:05Your government has also said it wants to partner with Ukraine

03:07to build more drones, defensive drones.

03:10Can you give us more information about the scale of that partnership?

03:14When could these drones be operational?

03:16So we have had conversation at the defence level,

03:18but also at the foreign affairs level and governmental level,

03:21to create common projects,

03:24but also to create the needed laws and needed approvals,

03:28so that the private sphere also advances faster in that direction.

03:33For example, we already have in the private industries

03:35projects that are Romanian-Ukrainian,

03:38in the sense that they also test the drones commonly,

03:43using their common knowledge,

03:45and they have also recently acquired investments from the United States.

03:49We want to continue with even more projects,

03:52even from the public sphere,

03:53and to be able to have that not just for our own needs,

03:58in terms of military procurement and capacity,

04:01but also to create this offering together with combat-tested know-how

04:07that the Ukrainians now have,

04:09in order to have that offering for other states that might need them.

04:13So you are talking about the potential to use these

04:15to protect the eastern flank beyond Romania?

04:18Yes, we are assessing now potential projects

04:21that do not only produce for our own needs,

04:24but can also create an offering for other countries

04:27that want to increase their capacity.

04:30Because when we look at the defence priority,

04:33it is clearly that now we have a commitment at the NATO side,

04:37but also at the European level side,

04:39to increase our budgets, to be able to meet that ambition.

04:42You mentioned NATO commitment, EU commitments.

04:45The commitments are certainly there.

04:46We have various initiatives now in order to protect the eastern flank,

04:49the so-called drone wall.

04:51The EU has just said that it thinks that could be fully functional by 2027.

04:57Do you agree with that assessment?

04:58We agree with that assessment, and we believe time is of the essence.

05:02Even when we look at the procurements from now on,

05:06time is going to be an essential element.

05:07And we have seen that in many other countries,

05:10that it is not just about the budget or the capacity

05:13or even the strategic partnerships between countries,

05:16but it has increasingly become a conversation

05:19that looks at the time element more.

05:22Because obviously we feel the risk more present

05:25than we have done before Russia has started

05:28this unprovoked aggression towards Ukraine.

05:30You also met with the U.S. Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, just recently.

05:37On Ukraine, what was your message to him and his administration?

05:41We have talked about our common ambition to help to have a peace deal

05:47in Ukraine as well, but also about our reluctance

05:50in terms of what we see coming from Russia.

05:54We do not see the proper action gestures or decisions in that direction.

05:58And that is why we are having a continuous conversation

06:01on the increase of pressure.

06:04We agree in Romania, and I have mentioned this to Secretary of State Marco Rubio as well,

06:09that the ambition that President Trump has put forward,

06:12the request actually to members of the European Union

06:15to cut off from energy sources from Russia that generate profit

06:20that then is used to fund the war, is the proper decision.

06:24Romania has taken that decision for a while now.

06:26Some of the other countries in the region, though, are not aligned with you on this.

06:31They want to continue buying Russian gas.

06:35Do you think President Trump can put pressure on them to change their minds?

06:40Well, I think President Trump has shown that he is willing to use

06:44the power of the United States and the power of his messages

06:46to create pressure where he considers that is the case.

06:50I also think that what is needed is to have alternatives in the sense that

06:55it is needed in our continent to have energy sources that are clean,

07:01that are reliable, and that are at the right pricing

07:04to allow for that decoupling to happen.

07:09We have seen, for example, energy be used as a war weapon

07:12by Russia towards Moldova, for example.

07:15And it has been very important that, together with Moldova and Ukraine,

07:19with help from the European Commission, we have managed to mitigate that very fast.

07:24We'll come on to the issue of Moldova in just a bit.

07:27But you mentioned earlier on these societal threats in Romania.

07:31And over the past year, especially since that presidential runoff

07:35was cancelled back in December, there's been a lot of scrutiny

07:38on democracy in Romania.

07:40How are you recovering from this?

07:42How are you restoring trust, not only in public institutions,

07:45but also in Romania's pro-Western path?

07:49So Romania has always had a pro-Western path, a pro-European path,

07:54for many years now.

07:55And this has always been cleared by every Eurobarometer,

07:58every research that has been done.

08:00In the same time, we have seen our elections being threatened

08:04by foreign interference and by instruments that do not align

08:08with the principle of democracy and democratic options and votes.

08:13So some of the things that have happened since then

08:16is that our president, Nikos Ordan, has presented the full report

08:19of the informations that were gathered by the Romanian institution

08:23at that point, and he presented that report to the European leaders,

08:27but he also decided to make that public.

08:30They will continue to share the resources that they have

08:32and the lessons learned.

08:33And this is important because those threats do not disappear.

08:38Even if we have one in Romania, in Moldova,

08:41the pro-European path has won spectacularly, I would say.

08:45We believe and we expect that the interferences will continue

08:49in the sense that we see the same type of intentions

08:53in terms of malign narratives.

08:56So it is very important that we defend ourselves,

08:59not just at the country level, but at the European Union level,

09:02and that we support countries that want to join the European Union

09:06in the same process.

09:07You mentioned Moldova.

09:08I did want to ask you, and you mentioned the spectacular,

09:10you said victory for Maya Sandor, the president's pro-EU past party.

09:15Now, there is a sense of frustration in some countries

09:18that the EU accession process is not going quick enough.

09:21Is it time to decouple Moldova's bid from Ukraine,

09:25which is being blocked by Viktor Orban and Hungary?

09:27It's time to de-block Ukraine as well.

09:29I think that is very important now.

09:32Now, we need to focus on the merit-based approach,

09:34which practically essentially means that each country,

09:37by its own merit, needs to be recognized.

09:41And in that case, Moldova, but Ukraine as well,

09:43are way more ahead than where the European Union

09:47collectively acknowledges it,

09:49in the sense where you need to have not just cluster one open,

09:52but the rest of the clusters as well can be open.

09:55And we need to not forget about the Western Balkans.

09:58And why do I mean that?

09:59It's because I've met today Montenegro, Albania.

10:02They have done spectacular work.

10:04And this is also a momentum for them to...

10:07But if I may, it's a merit-based process, and you said it,

10:10but it's still being held back by political will of Viktor Orban,

10:13who wants to block Ukraine's accession.

10:15So shouldn't it be the case that for Moldova to be able to progress,

10:18that it needs to be decoupled from being coupled with Ukraine in this process?

10:22Well, I think what we need to do is to make sure also internally

10:26that we have the proper decision-making reforms.

10:29Because it is clearly not just the merit of Moldova,

10:32the merit of Ukraine, Albania, Montenegro, and so on, we can go on.

10:36But it is clearly a problem that we have for ourselves

10:39if the will of 26 countries is blocked irresponsibly just by one single vote.

10:45And we need to do the proper reforms,

10:47but also fully use the current frame that we have to move forward.

10:50So you agree with European Council President Kosh's proposal

10:54to change the rule so that it's not unanimity,

10:57but a qualified majority to open the next stage?

10:59We're going to have the Council soon,

11:02and the final decision is going to come of that.

11:03But yes, Romania thinks we need to move faster,

11:06and we need to make sure we do not block our common decisions.

11:10So you support changing from unanimity on this issue?

11:13We're going to have our President present and the Council with the position,

11:17but Romania's stance is very clear towards de-blocking both Moldova and Ukraine.

11:23And you would be willing to do that through changing the rules on unanimity?

11:27As I was saying, the President is going to be present at the Council,

11:30and the final decision is going to come out of that.

11:32But Romania's position so far is to make sure that we de-block both Moldova and Ukraine.

11:37And if that is not possible, we're having a conversation

11:40that is not separate from the conversation we're having with Ukraine.

11:44We need to have the acceptance, the approval,

11:48and the support of everyone that is on board to be able to move further.

11:52I want to show you. Thank you so much.

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