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The Jeremy Kyle Show 1st May 2019
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00:00On today's show...
00:05He's accusing me of being with a gay person.
00:07How old are you?
00:0859.
00:09And the gentleman he's accusing you of having relationship?
00:1223, I think.
00:13What's he say you did?
00:14That we were both masturbating each other.
00:17Well, were you under the duvet or not?
00:20I don't know. I don't think so.
00:22You are absolutely adamant that she's a liar.
00:30Yeah.
00:31I only just like to ask for sakes.
00:33When?
00:34Probably once a month if I look at her.
00:36You said that she's changed down below. What do you mean by that?
00:39He's gone.
00:43She also gets a lot.
00:46Why don't you get some man?
00:48Because she don't turn me on anymore.
00:49He has to talk to me before he gets...
00:53He's dragged me to the bottom.
00:55But you've never been there.
00:56You can't believe how far I've been dragged down.
00:58He's dragged down!
00:59Oh my God!
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01:23Woah, my friends, good morning.
01:24A big, big welcome to the show.
01:26Our first guest today, Linda, is here to prove to her husband Mark
01:29that she is not a cheat.
01:31Now she claims this bloke constantly accuses her
01:33and says the only way to save this 23 year relationship
01:37is for her to come here and do a lie.
01:38This lady, as so many before are, is really nervous.
01:42Give her a round of applause.
01:42Linda's on the show that way.
01:52You all right?
01:53Yes, thanks.
01:53They tell me you're really, really nervous.
01:55Yeah.
01:56Why?
01:57I just am.
01:59I really appreciate you being here, Linda.
02:01Mark and you have been together for a long, long time.
02:04How did you meet?
02:04Er, it was a friend of my ex-partners.
02:08OK, fair enough.
02:12Don't quite know what to say there.
02:15You've been together for 23 years.
02:16You say, he's made my life a living hell.
02:20Let's cut to why we're here.
02:22You're here because your relationship is beset, you say, by a man who is that paranoid, who
02:27is that, I don't know, you just, he's driving you nuts.
02:31Yeah.
02:31When did it start?
02:32Talk to me.
02:32About six weeks ago.
02:35Why?
02:35He's accusing me of going with a gay person.
02:38Sorry?
02:38He's accusing me of going with a gay person.
02:42He's accusing you of going with a gay person?
02:44Yeah.
02:45And we've known the...
02:45How old are you?
02:4759.
02:48And the gentleman he's accusing you of having a...
02:5123, I think.
02:52He's either 23 or 24.
02:54Nothing wrong with an age gap.
02:5823?
02:59Yeah.
02:59Why would you sleep with the gay man who's 23?
03:01I don't know.
03:02If I wanted to sleep with anybody, they'd have to be straight.
03:05And they wouldn't want me anyway, would they?
03:06Well, I've got absolutely no idea.
03:07Kieran's 23 and he says,
03:10I've known the family since I was five.
03:12I went to school with Zoe.
03:13That's your daughter.
03:13I see Linda as an auntie and nothing more.
03:15I've been around to Mark and Linda's house regularly over the years to help Linda decorate.
03:19And because I'm part of the family, I always help out.
03:22I've even been out to the pub with Mark before.
03:24I'm a 23-year-old gay man in a relationship.
03:27I'm not interested in older women.
03:29In fact, I'm not interested in women.
03:30Mark's massively insecure and needs to stop accusing her.
03:33And trust her, I hope they sort this out.
03:35I've not had any contact with them since Mark's been accusing me.
03:38And I want to be back into my adopted family.
03:40This is unfair.
03:41So this guy, this husband, 23 years,
03:44you don't stay with somebody that long if there are massive problems.
03:49What I want to know is you said it started six weeks ago.
03:52You tell my team, he's accused me of sleeping with men in vans,
03:56drug addicts on the streets.
03:58In fact, every man that walks past me in the last six weeks,
04:01he thinks I'm at it.
04:02Why?
04:03I just think he's paranoid.
04:06Does he take drugs?
04:07No.
04:08Jesus, what would it be like if he did?
04:10He goes through my phone while I've turned it off at night.
04:13He says I'm on dating apps and I'm not.
04:17Why are you here today?
04:18To try and, well, to tell him the truth.
04:21I haven't been with Kieran or anyone.
04:23Did you, is it right to say that at the very beginning of the relationship,
04:28you, you, what happened?
04:30Er, it was a friend of my ex-partner's
04:33and he showed me a bit of attention because I was in a bad relationship
04:37and it just progressed from there.
04:39But you were in a new relationship with him, Mark.
04:40Yeah.
04:41Why did you have sex with somebody else?
04:43Because he told me to go back to me ex-husband for the sake of children
04:47and I did and we were still there.
04:48So instead of being, so you were with your husband,
04:51you left for Mark and it was a bit stressful
04:52so you thought you'd have another friend in the middle?
04:54Yeah.
04:55Yeah.
04:55Right, OK.
04:58My husband, he embarrasses me.
05:02I hate the way he talks to me.
05:04He talks down to me.
05:05I am drained.
05:06I am tired of this whole thing.
05:08I hate defending myself.
05:09We don't have sex anymore.
05:11No, but a lot of that is my fault
05:13because I've gone through change.
05:15Oh, have you?
05:16Oh, yeah.
05:17Gone through the change.
05:18I think I'm going through the change.
05:19Do men have that?
05:21Do what?
05:21Do men go through change?
05:22It's called the manopause.
05:23Your husband, this is quite interesting,
05:26Mark, 51, has started working together,
05:28working again for the first time in 18 years
05:31so he's never around
05:32and you think that this has fuelled his lack of belief, really.
05:35You think that he's out there
05:36and his brain's doing all sorts of things.
05:38He thinks I'm even stealing out of our bank account
05:40to run off with another man.
05:41I will pass this test 100%.
05:43I mean, is he driving you nuts on a serious day?
05:45Yeah, he is.
05:45And there's no basis for what he's feeling?
05:47No, there isn't.
05:48So what happened to the bloke under the duvet?
05:50Which one was that?
05:51Excuse me, I'm not mad at it.
05:52Which one was that?
05:53Which one was that?
05:54He's accused me of that many.
05:55But you had a bit of a moment under a duvet with...
05:57Well, according to him, he saw me, so...
05:59Well, you said,
06:00it might have happened, I was drunk.
06:01When was this?
06:02When was it?
06:03Well, when was it?
06:05He said 2009 and he said 2011.
06:08Were you under a duvet with another man in 2000?
06:10Not as I'm aware of.
06:10You don't remember being under a duvet?
06:12No.
06:14What about 2000...
06:15My kids were there as well, apparently.
06:16What, they were under the duvet as well?
06:18Yeah.
06:19The kids were under the duvet?
06:20We were on the settee, he pretended to be asleep.
06:22Who was on the settee?
06:24My husband, Mark.
06:25Why was there another man under the duvet with your kids?
06:27Because apparently we'd gone to a party.
06:29We've all been to parties and we haven't come home and put our kids and a stranger under
06:35a duvet with us.
06:36How old was...
06:37How old was...
06:37What?
06:38So this man, you don't remember whether you did anything with him?
06:41No, because I did used to drink and I was drunk.
06:43I used to go to parties with him.
06:45Why are you doing this?
06:46Because I'm nervous.
06:48Did you do that under the duvet as well?
06:51Yeah.
06:52Oh, he's accusing you of what?
06:53What's he saying you did?
06:55That we were both masturbating each other.
06:58Your kids are near to you whilst you're masturbating someone?
07:03Yeah.
07:03Why would they...
07:04How old were they?
07:06Two or five...
07:07One's 26 now, so we...
07:0926?
07:09What is a 26?
07:11One would be 16, one would be 10 and...
07:14Well, I don't think your kids should be anywhere near you when you're masturbating someone else.
07:18I have to say, there's a bloke in the audience that I told to stop laughing earlier.
07:27The poor man is red in the face and he's crying.
07:31Darling, I don't mean to be rude, but you come out here and you say,
07:34my husband's weird and he accuses me of this and he accuses me of that,
07:37and he's nuts and he says I'm on dating websites and flirting with men and I can't water,
07:42and then you freely admit that you might or might not whilst being drunk...
07:4623 in the head.
07:47Well, were you under the duvet or not?
07:50I don't know, I don't think so.
07:54What's this about the broken bed?
07:56We take the mattress into the living room, we can't sleep in the bedroom for a noise next door.
08:00So, 23 years you've been with Mark, husband for 19.
08:04Yep.
08:05Zoe, your daughter, he's brought up from the age of three.
08:08He's at...
08:09From two.
08:12It's hard enough without you being...
08:14How is it that you can remember that you brought her up from two and you can't even damn or remember your own name, woman?
08:20Anyway, he's brought your daughter up from a young age.
08:22Recently, he's become paranoid.
08:24He thinks you're at it because apparently...
08:26Well, he thinks you might be having an affair with the gay friend who's been in your life since he was five.
08:30He accuses you of going on dating websites...
08:32I'm dying here on my back, so...
08:34Dating websites, flirting with men.
08:37He accuses you of all sorts of things, including being under a duvet and masturbating a man in 2009 and possibly 2011, but who knows?
08:45And I'm supposed to be different down below.
08:48I beg your pardon?
08:49I'm supposed to be different down below.
08:51You're supposed to be different down below?
08:53What does that mean?
08:54That's why he knows I've been doing something, because I'm different down there.
08:58Oh, no.
09:00What?
09:00He's saying it's larger.
09:03Oh!
09:06Literally cry now.
09:07What?
09:09What's larger?
09:11Me.
09:13Lovely.
09:13Thanks for completely confusing me.
09:15Mark's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
09:17Hi, Jeremy.
09:33Oh, Jesus.
09:35Are you going to be miserable as well?
09:37Can you speak a bit louder?
09:38I can, if you want.
09:40You said, um, you said that, that, well, you did this sort of sarcastic, explain to me why.
09:45She's a really good actress.
09:47She really is a really good actress.
09:49The problem that I've got with this, take this in the right way, my friend, is that you
09:54are absolutely adamant that she's a liar.
09:57Yeah.
09:58And a lot of people have told you that this is in your head.
10:00A lot of people have said, I'm being ostracised.
10:05People are saying you're nuts.
10:06But you absolutely believe this, don't you?
10:08I definitely believe what's going on.
10:10Why?
10:12Er...
10:12For one, I had my phone cloned.
10:15I knew she were tracking me.
10:17I knew she were...
10:18finding out where I was working.
10:22Yeah, because you'll tell me where you go.
10:24No, I've been to see somebody, and he checked my phone out, and he told me it was cloned.
10:30He told me how it could be cloned.
10:32Why would she be cloning your phone, so that when she knows you're out, she could have
10:34men round the house?
10:35Probably.
10:36When you say probably, when you say these things, you say, I found the boxes of that
10:41gay friend of hers in my bedroom.
10:42I did, yeah.
10:43Er, I'm sure she's tracking myself.
10:45I've seen her messaging men through games and dating apps.
10:48She's doing washing every day.
10:50She does wash a lot.
10:53This is something to be celebrated on the Jeremy Kyle show, isn't it?
10:56Why does, if she's washing, does it mean she's cheated?
10:59Because she's washing evidence away, isn't she?
11:05Er...
11:06Our bed has broken, and it's not like me.
11:08We used to have sex like rabbits.
11:10Now she says she's tired.
11:12For the past 18...
11:13It's just being married, isn't it?
11:14For the past 18...
11:1518 months, I've been working long hours.
11:17I want to be home more.
11:19Just...
11:2018 months, you're only started in October.
11:22It's 18 months.
11:24How would you describe the relationship?
11:27Er...
11:27A babysitter.
11:29That's all I've ever been.
11:32Talk to her.
11:33I've all ever been a babysitter.
11:34How can you babysit your own children, Mark?
11:36You're not a babysitter for your own children.
11:38Because I would have worked when you weren't working.
11:40Oh, when you weren't at bingo.
11:42Yeah, so.
11:42Just about every day.
11:44Did you go fishing?
11:44Did you go golfing?
11:45Did I stop you?
11:46Not as much as you went golfing.
11:47Golfing.
11:48Yeah, I'll go golfing.
11:49It's not as much as you went to bingo.
11:50So, where are you going to bingo then?
11:53I've no idea, will you?
11:54Probably in your life.
11:58Tell me about the sofa.
11:59She said that you made an accusation of her and a duvet cut.
12:03She was with another man.
12:05She said you were there.
12:07Oh, we went to a party.
12:09There's some friends down the road.
12:14God, are you like this together the whole time?
12:17Yeah, it's got worse.
12:18It's got worse.
12:19Real life's got worse.
12:20This man, on a serious note, said to us, and I want you to understand this, people in
12:24the audience.
12:25You say, I have literally spent 23 years being downtrodden.
12:30That's true.
12:30And I can't take any more.
12:31I can't take any more.
12:32This is it.
12:33I've finished.
12:33I've totally finished, real.
12:36Thanks a lot.
12:37You said everything was going to be fine.
12:38Yeah, but you've said we haven't had sex and we've been at it like rabbits for the past
12:41week.
12:41No, I said that we've done it this week because you've come right to other people.
12:47How often are you having sex, then?
12:50I had to ask for it.
12:52I honestly had to ask for sex.
12:54When?
12:55Probably once a month, if I were lucky, if she weren't tired.
13:00And that's been going on for years.
13:01I feel really uncomfortable.
13:03But in the last week, lots of sex.
13:06Oh, loads of sex.
13:10Why have you had loads of sex in the last week if you don't trust her and it's over?
13:16It's a good question to be honest.
13:18Because I wanted to get down to the truth, to what's been happening.
13:22What do you say?
13:23Do I mean sex?
13:26So, and it's the only way I could keep her there.
13:29And I didn't realise that we got on this show as quick as what we did.
13:32Um, she's the only person I've ever been with.
13:35She's the love of my life.
13:37She was.
13:37But I am absolutely, I'm drained.
13:40I am drained.
13:41You say she's turned the kids against you.
13:43Who is Zoe?
13:44Is Zoe...
13:45Zoe's my stepdaughter.
13:47She believes her mother.
13:49She thinks that this is a...
13:51She describes you as a different man lately.
13:53Says that since she went...
13:54Yeah, because I brought her up from two-year-old.
13:58I used to take him everywhere.
13:59She wouldn't get involved with any activities with kids.
14:04Where was she then?
14:05Bingo.
14:06Work, whatever.
14:07You spend a lot of time at bingo, don't you?
14:10She did use a lot of time at bingo.
14:12She was to spend a fortune there.
14:14That's why we never had no money.
14:15You said, I don't really want to have to do this, but it's part of my job.
14:19You said that she's changed down below.
14:20What do you mean by that?
14:21What do you mean by that?
14:23Er...
14:24Yeah.
14:26Yeah.
14:27Er...
14:27What do you mean?
14:30It's got...
14:31LAUGHTER
14:33LAUGHTER
14:34LAUGHTER
14:35No, it's not just that.
14:42She also gets a lot...
14:43LAUGHTER
14:44LAUGHTER
14:45I know that everybody's...
14:48I know it's...
14:49You'll get...
14:50Why don't you get...
14:53Why don't you get what?
14:56LAUGHTER
14:57Why don't you get what?
15:00Mary never asked while we've been together.
15:02What's the...
15:03LAUGHTER
15:04LAUGHTER
15:05LAUGHTER
15:06APPLAUSE
15:08LAUGHTER
15:09APPLAUSE
15:10LAUGHTER
15:11APPLAUSE
15:12LAUGHTER
15:13LAUGHTER
15:14LAUGHTER
15:15Well, it's well and true.
15:17OK.
15:17So you don't get an erection any more?
15:21He never has.
15:21Not any more, not any more.
15:22LAUGHTER
15:23Until you get it to your...
15:24LAUGHTER
15:25All your bit.
15:27Sorry?
15:27He never has.
15:29You can play with him and he don't get a...
15:30LAUGHTER
15:32Because there's just no feelings there at all.
15:34So why have you been with me all these years?
15:36You said you've been having sex all this week.
15:38How have you managed that without a...
15:40LAUGHTER
15:41Yeah, he has to...
15:41He has to...
15:42He has to touch it with Winky for it.
15:44I'll get a...
15:44LAUGHTER
15:47I mean, I told you I'd embarrass you if you were embarrassing me.
15:54I can't believe after this break...
15:56Back to what we were talking about before, then.
15:58I can't believe that I'm going to a break.
16:00And during the break, I just want to tell everybody that your daughter,
16:03who's 24, has been sat listening to you to describe them.
16:06LAUGHTER
16:07APPLAUSE
16:08I don't know.
16:12I hated bringing her here.
16:13I hated bringing her here.
16:16Sorry?
16:16I hated bringing her here.
16:18I can't hear you!
16:19I hated bringing her here.
16:20I didn't want to go through all this.
16:22I never wanted all this for any of the kids.
16:24Well, you asked for it, so we did it.
16:25But the thing where she's been treating me lately...
16:28You think she's going to fail the test?
16:30I think she does.
16:30I hope I do now.
16:31I hope she does.
16:32LAUGHTER
16:33I really hope she does.
16:35You really hope she does, because, when he said this,
16:37it'll make me realise that everybody who said I'm going nuts
16:40is missing the point, right?
16:41Yeah.
16:42Right, well, we're going to go to a break.
16:44Back in three.
16:46It's horrible what he's doing, cos it's tearing it family apart.
16:48You don't honestly think she's had sex with this gay man, do you?
16:51No, not anymore.
16:53But you do think she's a cheat?
16:55I think she's a cheater.
16:56I found his boxes.
16:58And I also found his pyjama bottom is what he'd had on there before.
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17:33Thank you very much indeed.
17:41Welcome back.
17:41I feel like I'm at a party I shouldn't be at.
17:43Before the break, I was speaking to Mark and Linda,
17:46who were quite candid.
17:47In fact, the highlight, if you're just tuning in, was...
17:50Never mind.
17:51Your daughter, who's 24, has been listening and says that this mess is tearing my family apart.
17:57This is the girl that contacted the show.
17:59Linda?
17:59No, you're Linda.
18:00Zoe's on the Jeremy Cowell show that way.
18:02It's disgusting what you've said.
18:12I feel sorry for you, love.
18:13Disgusting.
18:14I feel sorry for you.
18:15I didn't want you to go through with this.
18:16I want to speak to her.
18:17You two have droned on.
18:18Be quiet.
18:19Go on, speak.
18:20It's horrible what he's doing because it's tearing your family apart.
18:23It's my friend.
18:24I feel like I can't talk to Kieran no more.
18:26This is the young man, the 23-year-old family friend from the age of five, says I'm gay.
18:31You don't honestly think she's had sex with this gay man, do you?
18:34No, not anymore.
18:36But you do think she's a cheat?
18:37I think she's a cheat, yeah.
18:39I don't think I've ever seen anybody so dragged down by this because this is...
18:42You are, by all accounts, a totally different person and have become...
18:47Zoe, how long has this been going on for?
18:49Because this man looks absolutely dragged down by this.
18:52He is, but he's dragging my mum down as well.
18:54It's not fair on my mum.
18:55Do you believe him or do you believe your mum?
18:57You believe your mum?
18:57I believe my mum, but I'll still love Mark.
18:59I'll still be there for him.
19:00He's my dad, so I'm never going to...
19:02Has he done a good job?
19:03Has he brought you...
19:03Yeah, he's always brought me up.
19:05What's it like looking at this?
19:06It's horrible.
19:08It's not nice at all, sorry.
19:11Not nice at all watching it.
19:14It's not nice at all.
19:15I don't like it whatsoever.
19:17I just can't wait for it all to be over with.
19:19Hopefully, you won't accuse her no more once this is over with him, don't we?
19:22Fly, you're OK.
19:22I've cheated now, baby.
19:23I can't hear you.
19:24I found it.
19:24I'll go back to her.
19:25I haven't finished with you.
19:26I've done.
19:28Right, well...
19:29I'll still be there for you.
19:30Are you still my dad?
19:32And look at all the begging of him to win, aren't we?
19:34I've tried to defend my mother, but Mark just accuses me of covering up.
19:38Yeah.
19:38He thinks she's tracking his phone.
19:41Mark is making my friend Kieran feel uncomfortable.
19:44It's breaking the family up.
19:45As much as he made me feel uncomfortable in my own house.
19:48I went to tidy bedroom.
19:51I might have caught what granddaughter sleeps in and some things.
19:56I found his boxers and I also found his pyjama bottoms, what he'd had on the day before.
20:04Because he stopped there and he had a shower.
20:06Yeah, but Kieran is one of the cleanest people I know.
20:09He's the most tidiest person I've ever known.
20:12I went to Linus.
20:14She's the wisest thing in the corner.
20:16She's always had a shower.
20:18But if Kieran had done it, he'd have tidied up.
20:20How many people in this audience think that Linda's cheated on Mark?
20:24Is your demeanour, the way you are, is this as a result of this relationship?
20:31Has it dragged you down this much?
20:33It's dragged me to the bottom.
20:34It's dragged me to the bottom.
20:37But you've never been right.
20:37You can't believe how far I've been dragged down.
20:43I have to say one thing to you, Zoe.
20:44You were very complimentary to Mark when you came out.
20:46But his feeling is, I think, that your mother's poisoning you.
20:50She's not poisoning me whatsoever.
20:51She is.
20:52He's the stupidest thing ever.
20:54You think your mum's telling the truth?
20:56You think this guy needs a reality check?
20:57Yeah, this situation's stupid.
20:58It's Kieran.
20:58It's one of my best mates.
21:01So can I ask you again, Linda?
21:04Have you cheated on him?
21:05No.
21:07I believe she has.
21:07And if I wanted somebody, I'd have someone who was straight.
21:10Sorry?
21:10I'd have someone who was straight.
21:12I believe she has.
21:15And the whole world's told you you're mad?
21:17Yeah.
21:18Yeah?
21:19Yeah.
21:22Yeah.
21:25Note from the examiner.
21:27Oh!
21:29Linda told us that at the beginning of her relationship with Mark,
21:33she went back to her ex for two to three to four weeks
21:36and was intimate with him nearly a month then.
21:39I don't know about that.
21:41She says that you're aware of this.
21:42Mm-hmm.
21:43She also told me that in...
21:44Well, not me, the examiner.
21:45In 2009 and 2011 at a party,
21:48Mark pretended to be asleep and watched her and another man
21:51masturbate each other on the floor.
21:55Linda says she does not remember doing this
21:57and therefore it didn't happen.
21:59Did it happen?
22:00No.
22:00Yeah.
22:00Why would you allow it to happen and stay?
22:03Because all kids were around her and I just froze.
22:06Why would you keep going golfing with you?
22:08We asked Linda,
22:08since the start of your relationship with Mark,
22:10apart from what you've just admitted to,
22:12have you passionately kissed anyone else?
22:13You said no.
22:14Why did you say no, Linda?
22:15Telling the truth.
22:16Sorry?
22:17Telling the truth.
22:18This test says you're a downright liar, love.
22:23Since the start of your relationship with Mark,
22:25apart from what you've just admitted to,
22:26have you had sexual contact with anyone else?
22:28Your mother said no.
22:29This test says your mother lied on that question as well.
22:34And since the start of your relationship with Mark,
22:36apart from what you've admitted to,
22:38have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else?
22:40Nope.
22:42She said no.
22:44Your mother lied on every single question.
22:46And this man, this man...
22:49Ziya!
22:49Oh, I don't want to say that you are too.
22:52Mum, come here.
22:54Bye-bye.
22:55I know I've only had sex with your dad.
22:58Ziya!
22:58Oh, I don't want to say that you are too.
23:01I'm so sorry about this.
23:03You're attached on.
23:05Well, then I'm not interested.
23:07Neither am I.
23:12Be ready for this, people.
23:16Look at this, Stacey!
23:19Yes, I know!
23:19Look at it!
23:20I'm going to wipe the floor with you today, boy!
23:22Oh!
23:23Oh!
23:23Oh!
23:23Oh!
23:24Oh!
23:24Oh!
23:25Oh!
23:25Oh!
23:25Oh!
23:26Oh!
23:26Oh!
23:27Oh!
23:27Oh!
23:28Oh!
23:28Oh!
23:29Oh!
23:29Oh!
23:30Oh!
23:30Oh!
23:31Oh!
23:31Oh!
23:32Oh!
23:33Oh!
23:34Oh!
23:35Oh!
23:36Oh!
23:37Oh!
23:38Oh!
23:39Oh!
23:40Oh!
23:41Labour is about trying to heal that.
23:43I need her help me.
23:45Christie's back on The Jeremy Kyle Show.
23:50What have you got?
23:51Hold on teenagers!
23:52I can't be a big...
23:53Ha ha ha!
23:54Ha ha ha ha!
23:54Ha ha ha ha!
24:00Shane, did he give off me that day, did he?
24:03No!
24:03Ha ha ha ha ha!
24:04And that's what I do for a living!
25:06It's easy, isn't it, for somebody to go, oh, he's imagining it.
25:09You only have to look at this guy to see how dragged down he is.
25:12And I'm sure there were people in the audience, and I won't lie,
25:14initially me, that thought, oh, come on, mate.
25:16Your gut instinct, absolutely right.
25:19It's nothing to celebrate, it's horrible.
25:21But the most important thing to say to you is...
25:23It's not the truth.
25:23That's what I wanted to do, just to prove my kids I'm not a liar.
25:26You're not.
25:27I love them.
25:28I know you do.
25:29I love them both.
25:30And listen, we will make sure that we help you after this...
25:35..and that your relationship with your children is the most important thing.
25:38But look at me, you were right.
25:40It doesn't make it easy, and it's horrible.
25:42But all those people that thought you were wider than Mark will watch this.
25:46All right?
25:46Thank you very much.
25:47You will be able to support on our health, all right?
25:49But what I would like...
25:50What I would like...
25:51Wait one sec.
25:55One of the things that I learnt a long time ago doing this show
25:58is that everybody needs closure.
26:01And I've got it now.
26:02Shouting in her face doesn't work.
26:03You should walk with me closely and calmly,
26:05and you should go up to her and say,
26:07I wasn't wrong, I was right, we are done,
26:10and I will have a relationship with my children.
26:12Thank you and goodbye.
26:13That's what you should do.
26:15Do you want to come and do that with me?
26:16Do you want to?
26:17Is that all right, girl?
26:18Let's go this way here, if that's all right, OK?
26:22Let's get the camera out of the way so we can go past it.
26:24Sorry, my friend.
26:25Watch yourself, Mark.
26:26Come on.
26:27I honestly...
26:28I sort of even apologised myself,
26:30cos I thought...
26:31Your whole demeanour says that.
26:35You're better than this.
26:37Oi, listen.
26:39Think about your daughter.
26:41I'll do it.
26:41You've got yourself, nothing else.
26:46There's no shouting, there's no screaming.
26:48You're a liar.
26:48I'm not interested in talking to you.
26:49I'm interested in you and your dad.
26:51I'm so sorry about this, though.
26:53Go on, get it attached on.
26:55I'm not sure.
27:05I never lied to you.
27:06Zoe?
27:07I still don't think she's done anything with it.
27:08Zoe, I don't think there's any...
27:11Come on, darling, let's be fair.
27:13I know this is at 24 years of age, it's a difficult thing.
27:16The fact is, your mother's a liar.
27:18Yeah.
27:19And your father has been made stepfather, I suspect, to feel very strange, weird, like he's going out of his mind.
27:28And the truth is, my darling, not Kieran, of course, but it was somebody else, wasn't it?
27:33This is a woman who sat on my stage.
27:35This is a woman who sat on my stage in front of a 24-year-old, 24-year-old daughter and was being pretty disgusting.
27:44No, that was him.
27:44And saying she doesn't even...
27:45That was him.
27:45Don't blame him, love, I'm not interested.
27:46That was him saying it was deep, pal.
27:47You didn't even know whether you were under a duvet.
27:50I'm not going to disrespect your daughter.
27:51According to him, I were.
27:52I knew exactly what you were going to say.
27:54You were going to say, I was my ex-husband at the beginning.
27:57I'm only interested in this.
27:58If you look at this man...
28:00I don't want to look at it.
28:01Sorry?
28:02I don't want to look at it.
28:03You never did.
28:04You just wanted me as a babysitter.
28:05Can I tell you something, Mark?
28:07You can do so much better than her, trust me.
28:10Yes, you can.
28:11You can, love.
28:12You don't believe the test?
28:15I don't know, I believe the test.
28:16Your mother's lied to you.
28:19Your mother's lied to you.
28:20It's awkward for you, though, isn't it?
28:21But what I liked about this girl, the minute she came out, was that she said,
28:25I love your dad, whatever, and that's the most important thing.
28:28Gray, how did you move on from this?
28:32Before the show, Mark was given an opportunity to talk,
28:36and we were prepared to listen to him,
28:39and he had already come to a conclusion before the show
28:43about what he was going to do after the show,
28:45and I think it's for you to say what you had decided to do.
28:49I'm going to live a...ribbit.
28:53Go then, I'm not interested.
28:55Neither am I.
28:55Neither am I.
28:56Neither am I.
28:57You've just proved you're a liar.
28:59Yeah.
29:01All thanks.
29:02Give me the news for the daughter, guys.
29:05Well, it's not that for me.
29:07I think you're together, yeah.
29:09Do you know what?
29:11You can't even shut up for your daughter.
29:13Oi, what about your daughter?
29:14Look at your daughter, both of you.
29:16Are you not concerned about his mental health right now?
29:20Because when I walked into his room, all I could see was this flat effect.
29:25Yeah.
29:26He wasn't animated in any way, and as that conversation went on,
29:31and as I say, I allowed him to talk,
29:33it was pretty clear that he was very unhappy in this relationship.
29:36It was all about the relationship.
29:38Do you see the relationship as being a very unhappy one?
29:41I didn't.
29:43No.
29:44I didn't, no.
29:45You didn't?
29:46No, because I'm supposed to be his rock,
29:48and he's mine, and he's got me through everything.
29:50However, having said that,
29:52this is not the first time he's left the relationship,
29:55and it's only recently that he's...
29:57Fourth time.
29:58It's the fourth time he's left the relationship,
30:00and then four times you've got back together,
30:01and I think, for me anyway, I think it's not working.
30:04And I haven't persuaded him in any way about his decision,
30:09but I think it is a good idea for you both to separate.
30:12What do you think, Zoe?
30:12I have to say that.
30:13What about Zoe?
30:14I agree with you, Zoe.
30:15What about you?
30:16I'd show you, Zoe.
30:17It's just that's best for them both, really.
30:20Hardest...
30:21The other person I feel sorry for.
30:23I mean, you have to steer a middle.
30:25What do you...
30:25Stop bitching at her.
30:27Stop...
30:28This is what she's like, Jeremy.
30:30She's just getting your head in.
30:31I just want to add to this,
30:34and this is for you,
30:36that he has, on many occasions,
30:38wanted to leave this relationship.
30:40He stayed within this relationship
30:41because he was afraid,
30:43and he was afraid of losing you.
30:44I've always told him,
30:45never lose us, though.
30:46And that for him is so very reassuring,
30:50and I think now he can come to a decision
30:52knowing that there is no fear
30:54attached to losing his stepchildren.
30:57Mark, Graham's spot on.
30:59Let me tell you something.
30:59The first thing this kid said
31:00when she came out on stage,
31:01and I don't want to drag this out anymore,
31:03we want to help you both,
31:04well, help you,
31:06is that she will love you whatever.
31:09Your daughter, your stepdaughter,
31:10came out thinking,
31:11as I probably did at the beginning
31:12of most of the audience,
31:13that this was in your mind.
31:15I have great respect for you coming here,
31:18knowing what everybody was saying.
31:19I completely adhere to what Graham's saying,
31:20that I can tell there are issues
31:22the way that you hold yourself,
31:23the way you talk.
31:24But he's right.
31:25It is done,
31:26and it's done knowing
31:28that you've got the truth,
31:29you've been proven right,
31:30and your children, stepchildren,
31:32are going to love you.
31:32And for me,
31:33I want you to go and build a life for yourself
31:35and not be like that.
31:36That's what I'm saying.
31:37Thank you very much.
31:38I mean that.
31:38It's really, really important.
31:40APPLAUSE
31:41We'll leave you with Graham.
31:45We'll work.
31:46Give him a round of applause.
31:48APPLAUSE
31:49My next guest today,
31:58Leanne, is here to get the answer
31:59to a 20-year-old question.
32:01Who is the dad to her brother, Lewis?
32:03Her own father,
32:04or the man that her mother, Jane,
32:06had an affair with.
32:07Leanne says she remembers
32:09her parents splitting
32:09when she was younger
32:10due to her mother being unfaithful,
32:12and shortly after this,
32:13learning that her mother
32:13was pregnant with her brother, Lewis.
32:15Leanne says that she is 70%.
32:1870% sure the DNA will prove
32:19that she and Lewis
32:20have different dads.
32:22Massive day for this girl.
32:24Huge.
32:24Leanne's on the Jeremy card show.
32:25That way.
32:28APPLAUSE
32:28You're nervous.
32:34Very.
32:34You look terrified.
32:35Thank you for coming on.
32:37I tried to explain it there,
32:39but this is a...
32:40I mean, this is an extraordinary story,
32:42a sad story,
32:43a story that's really dominated
32:45you and your family
32:46for a long, long time.
32:48You're 30 now.
32:51Just give us some background.
32:52Go back so we've got fact.
32:55From when I was a child?
32:56Yeah, from how this was alleged
32:58to have happened
32:58in terms of us sitting here today,
33:00Lewis being 19,
33:02and there being doubts
33:04over paternity.
33:06So, from what I can remember,
33:08my mum and dad had got issues
33:10in their relationship
33:12and they split up.
33:14but my dad threatened suicide,
33:18so, from what I can tell you,
33:19they got back together.
33:22And it was around this time
33:24that she was accused
33:26of having an affair and whatnot, so...
33:28Was that proven?
33:29She admitted it,
33:31that she'd had an affair.
33:33Shortly afterwards,
33:34Lewis, it seems,
33:36was either conceived
33:37or she was pregnant.
33:39There seem to be problems
33:39with timelines,
33:40and the problem is...
33:41Yeah.
33:41The problem is,
33:42I guess,
33:43from what we're doing today,
33:45is Lewis your father's
33:46or is Lewis
33:47the man she had an affair with?
33:49The tragedy was
33:50your father did take his own life.
33:52Mm.
33:52How many years ago?
33:54Erm...
33:55Sorry, my mind's going blank.
33:56You were 11, weren't you?
33:5818...18 and a half years ago.
34:01I don't even...
34:02Forgive me.
34:03How do you deal with that
34:04at 11?
34:05I don't know.
34:06I was angry with my mum
34:08for a long time.
34:09Because what?
34:10We're past that now.
34:11She died.
34:12Yeah.
34:14Is that you?
34:15Yeah.
34:16So, erm...
34:17Aw.
34:18Erm, you...
34:19You were angry
34:20because, I presume,
34:21and I'm...
34:22We're being very candid,
34:23you believed that the affair
34:25had caused him to take his life.
34:28Not that it caused him
34:29to take his life,
34:29but the reason that they
34:30eventually split up for good
34:32and he moved out.
34:33Contributed.
34:33But then, of course,
34:34you also said that it had happened before
34:35and he threatened it
34:37and she took him back.
34:37Yeah.
34:38Which is...
34:38It's a very difficult subject,
34:39isn't it?
34:40Yeah.
34:40Because essentially,
34:40that is emotional blackmail,
34:41but obviously,
34:42the guy had problems.
34:43Yeah.
34:43Real problems.
34:44That he didn't talk about.
34:45Absolutely.
34:46And that's one of the reasons
34:47why we want to do this story.
34:48How old was he?
34:49Oh, God.
34:50I think he was born in 62.
34:52So he was in his sort of 30s
34:56when he kept...
34:56Yeah, you put me on the spot there.
34:57I mean, young men,
34:59and I know this for a fact
35:00from Graeme,
35:00young men are a massive amount
35:03of the number of people
35:04who do take their own lives
35:05and talking about it
35:06is massively important.
35:08Let's make that point.
35:09So you talked about
35:14how you were angry
35:15with your mum for years.
35:16What about Lewis?
35:17Lewis is now 19.
35:18What's your relationship
35:19like with him?
35:19Mine?
35:20Yeah, really good.
35:21We're really close.
35:22So my question is,
35:23obviously he grew up
35:25being aware of these questions.
35:27Why now?
35:30Is...
35:30Is it being pushed by him or you?
35:34Him.
35:34I know it's terrifying
35:36and I know you sat here
35:37and you're thinking,
35:37jeez, this is the last place
35:39I want to be
35:40and I know that you're doing it
35:41for him.
35:42Yeah.
35:42Is he...
35:43Is he saying that he needs to know now
35:46because he's just reached an age
35:48where he needs answers?
35:49I think he's just got to a point
35:51where he just wants to know.
35:52Closure.
35:54What has your mum said
35:56to him and you?
35:56What's her...
35:57Before I bring her out,
35:58Jane, isn't it?
35:59What are they...
36:01What's...
36:02She's adamant that
36:03we've all got the same dad.
36:04She says that she had the baby
36:08or the affair after she got pregnant.
36:10Yeah.
36:12Do you not believe her?
36:14It's not how I remember it.
36:15You say your relationship's fine
36:16with your mum
36:17but you say it's not so good for Lewis
36:18but today's him.
36:19She's in one of the green rooms.
36:20We're going to have a chat,
36:21bring her out.
36:22Give Leanne a round of applause.
36:23Thank you, my darling.
36:23Stay there.
36:24Don't worry, you'll be fine.
36:25Let's go along here.
36:27Let's just go over here if we can.
36:33How are you?
36:34Hi, Joey.
36:35I'm very nervous.
36:36I have to say,
36:37in all my time of doing this,
36:39I was reading this this morning
36:40and I...
36:42Wow.
36:43This can't have been easy.
36:44It's been really difficult.
36:47I'm here for closure for Lewis.
36:50The thing that obviously
36:52is central to this is,
36:53and I know it's difficult
36:54but I appreciate you being here
36:56for your kids.
36:57The problem with this story,
36:58of course,
36:58is that this started 20 years ago.
37:01Now, presumably,
37:03in your position,
37:05the guy took his own life
37:06which is tragic enough,
37:07the father of your kids,
37:09and you get blamed because...
37:10Yes.
37:11Yes.
37:12Blame myself for a good time.
37:14But the marriage
37:15from what you told my team
37:16was not in a good place anyway.
37:18No, I...
37:19Don't get me wrong,
37:21he was a lovely man.
37:23He was a great dad.
37:25But my feeling...
37:27It had just gone
37:28and I wasn't prepared
37:29to live a life.
37:30Listen, listen.
37:30I wanted to get that in for you
37:32because I think it would be
37:33very easy to go,
37:34oh, she had an affair
37:35and the bloke took his own life.
37:36It didn't work like that, did it?
37:37That's what you're saying.
37:38It sadly didn't work.
37:40You told my team categorically
37:42that Lewis was a year old
37:43when you had the affair.
37:44That's true, yes.
37:45She also said, Leanne, your daughter,
37:48that you took her father back once
37:50when he threatened
37:50to do that to himself.
37:51I did, yes.
37:52And then I felt like
37:53I was just living a lie.
37:54I was, you know,
37:57no other way to explain it.
37:59What was that?
37:59It was awful.
38:00It was awful.
38:01And I just felt,
38:02and that's when I had the affair,
38:04but I just felt so guilty
38:07that I had to end it once and for all.
38:09I thought, I can't live,
38:10I can't expect it.
38:11When you heard he'd taken his own life,
38:13do you blame yourself straight away?
38:14Yeah, definitely.
38:15And your kids blamed you?
38:17Yes, I think they did, yes,
38:18for a good while.
38:20Do you think that's unfair?
38:22At the time, well, no, it's...
38:23I mean, I'm not sure how you do with that.
38:25What I'm trying to say,
38:26I want to say something
38:27which I'm sure everybody will go,
38:29oh, I've never been in,
38:32I have the greatest sympathy.
38:33They never, you see,
38:34the problem with this job is
38:36people don't listen to one,
38:37they only listen to one shocking thing.
38:38I have the greatest sympathy
38:39for anybody
38:40that is in such a terrible place,
38:43they have to do that.
38:43But there's, I'm afraid,
38:44another part of me that thinks
38:45it can be seen as quite selfish
38:48for the people that are left behind.
38:50I did feel angry
38:51when I was told, initially.
38:54My first feelings were,
38:57obviously, heartbreak.
38:59I've got my kids,
39:00my mind went straight to my kids
39:01and then anger set in
39:03and then blaming myself.
39:07I had to have counselling.
39:11Was your ex the man
39:12who sadly took his life?
39:14Is he Lewis's dad?
39:15He is.
39:15Why is Lewis at 19
39:16on the Jeremy Karsha then?
39:17Because he doesn't believe you, does he?
39:18He doesn't, no.
39:19I think it's a lot of Chinese whispers here
39:22say there's a lot of people
39:23that have said
39:23that he looks like
39:24the son of the,
39:26you know.
39:28The other family.
39:29Yeah.
39:29Do you have,
39:30do you have any sort of relationship
39:34with him?
39:35What's it like,
39:35you and Lewis?
39:37I love him to bits.
39:39He's my son,
39:39but we do clash.
39:40He says he's awkward.
39:41We do argue
39:42and I think this,
39:43once we've put this to bed
39:44today,
39:45hopefully,
39:46well,
39:47I've got no doubt.
39:48But when that's good.
39:49We're going out there,
39:49you and me,
39:50you're a good girl.
39:50Come on,
39:51you'll be fine.
39:52Come on,
39:52come on.
39:53I don't want to say that
39:53I feel like she's lied to me.
39:55I just don't feel like she knows.
39:57She says that you were one
39:58when she had an affair.
39:59Look at your mum.
40:00You're basically calling her a liar.
40:02Well,
40:04I've seen pictures
40:05of this man's sons
40:07and no doubt that I look at her.
40:10The other potential father.
40:12Yeah.
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40:49Listen,
40:50I know you are
40:51and I know that it's this way
40:52and I think I understand.
40:55Give a round of applause.
40:56Give a round of applause.
40:59See,
40:59I,
41:00I,
41:01I,
41:01I,
41:01I really,
41:04I hope Leanne,
41:05you understand the way
41:06that I spoke to your mum
41:07because I,
41:07I,
41:08I think it would be really easy
41:10to look at this part
41:11and go,
41:11she had an affair,
41:12she's to blame,
41:12she's not to blame at all,
41:13is she?
41:13No, no, no, no.
41:14No, no, no.
41:14No, no, no.
41:14You,
41:14you,
41:14I,
41:15I hope the,
41:16because it,
41:17you had an affair,
41:18I'm not condoning that in a million years.
41:19No, no, no, no, no, no, at all.
41:20Right?
41:20Not in a million years.
41:21No.
41:22But people make their own choices.
41:24For Lewis,
41:24your mum,
41:25you say you're categorically sure.
41:26He says,
41:27my mother has always said to me
41:30there is no doubt
41:30about who my father is,
41:31but I'm absolutely convinced
41:33there is.
41:34Today,
41:35it's about him.
41:36Today,
41:36it's really important.
41:37Give Lewis a round of applause
41:38on the Jeremy Kyle show,
41:39please.
41:46You're even more terrified than it.
41:49God lord, Matt,
41:50are you all right?
41:51Yeah,
41:51it's a bit shaky.
41:52I'm not surprised
41:53in jeans that tight.
41:54Welcome to the show,
41:54Mielsa.
41:55Lewis,
41:57thank you for coming on.
42:00Talk to me.
42:02I just need answers,
42:0319 years' worth of answers
42:04that I don't feel like
42:06I've been talked about enough.
42:10Why do you not believe
42:11what your mum said?
42:13It's not a case of disbelief.
42:15I think it's just,
42:17there's so much
42:18that comes out the woodwork
42:21that we haven't heard before
42:23and then it's like,
42:25it's kind of convincing me.
42:26Like what?
42:27Well,
42:27I've seen pictures
42:28of this man's son,
42:32or sons,
42:33and there's no doubt
42:34that I look.
42:35The other potential father.
42:36Yeah.
42:36Is he still alive?
42:39Yes,
42:40I think so.
42:42I'm interested in now,
42:44please forgive me,
42:45I have to read this.
42:46Lorraine and Janet sisters
42:47to your,
42:48to your,
42:49to your late husband.
42:53Our brother David
42:54passed away
42:54just under 20 years ago
42:56and never once
42:56have we questioned
42:57the paternity
42:57of his youngest son,
42:58Lewis,
42:58who we last saw
42:59at 18 months of age.
43:01The only time we've heard
43:03from any of them
43:03is to do with
43:05the inheritance
43:06that Lewis,
43:08like the rest of the grandkids,
43:09will receive
43:10on his 21st birthday,
43:12which was stipulated
43:13in the will.
43:14Lewis, however,
43:16has attempted to ask
43:17for the money early
43:18from the age of 15.
43:20We believe Jane
43:21did have an affair,
43:22however,
43:22those problems
43:23are between them
43:24and to be honest,
43:24it makes no difference
43:25to our lives whatsoever.
43:27Why have they had nothing
43:27to do with you lot
43:28for 20 years?
43:30I don't feel
43:30that I've ever felt
43:31the need to bother.
43:33What's your response,
43:34you guys,
43:35to them saying
43:35that you asked
43:36for the inheritance
43:36that your father
43:37left you early
43:38and it's all about money?
43:39Because you did say
43:39to my team,
43:41my dad has left
43:41me some inheritance
43:42and I'm not allowed
43:43any of it
43:43without this DNA test.
43:45Yeah, so they asked
43:46Leanne,
43:47well, they said
43:48to Leanne,
43:49Janet and Lorraine
43:50that in order
43:52to have the inheritance...
43:53So they're doubting
43:54your word as well?
43:55Oh, yeah.
43:56I don't speak to them
43:57so I can't comment.
43:59They blame you
43:59for the death
44:00of their brother?
44:00I think so.
44:02Yes, definitely.
44:03Wow.
44:04But they offered
44:05to take the money
44:07for the DNA test
44:08out of the money
44:09and then to sort
44:11that out after
44:11but if you've not
44:13got a doubt
44:13then you wouldn't
44:14even offer to do that,
44:15do you know what I mean?
44:16But then we'd not
44:17contacted him
44:17for a long time.
44:19Lewis,
44:19I really respect you.
44:21It can't be easy
44:22at 18, 19
44:23to come on and do this
44:23and we do it every day.
44:24Your mum and your sister
44:26have been very candid.
44:27What's this confusion,
44:29doubt,
44:30whatever you want
44:30to call it,
44:30what's it done
44:31to your relationship
44:32with your mum?
44:33It has drifted us apart
44:35over the last few years.
44:38There's no doubt
44:38about that.
44:39We used to be very close
44:40but I don't feel angry
44:44towards her
44:44but I don't feel like
44:46I would be able
44:47to go to her
44:47talk to her
44:48about anything,
44:49any problems that I had.
44:50Why?
44:52I don't want to say
44:52that I feel like
44:53she's lied to me.
44:54I just don't feel
44:55like she knows.
44:57But she says
44:57that you were one
44:58when she had an affair.
44:59Look at your mum.
45:00You're basically
45:00calling her a liar.
45:02I know.
45:04We've had this conversation
45:06but it can't be easy
45:07for him you see
45:07because he feels angry
45:08and he's got people
45:09in his ear
45:09and as he quite rightly
45:10said what's he supposed
45:11to do?
45:11I totally understand
45:12and that's why
45:13I'm here for him.
45:15I understand.
45:16You told my team
45:16something which I probably
45:17didn't think I'd say
45:18but there you go.
45:21Angry with your dad
45:22for taking his own life.
45:23To an extent, yeah.
45:25I think it's really
45:26important to get that
45:27out there
45:28and I've said it
45:28already in there.
45:29I'll repeat
45:30because somebody will say
45:31it's not politically correct.
45:33I can't imagine
45:34being in a position
45:35where you have to do that
45:35and have great sympathy
45:36but I always think
45:38about the people
45:38left behind.
45:39There's a kid
45:39who's never known
45:40his father.
45:41If he's your father
45:41I'd, you know.
45:44And difficult,
45:45you know,
45:46your dad's,
45:48I guess somebody
45:48as a young boy
45:49you look up to
45:50and it's probably
45:50been lonely.
45:51Today's important though,
45:52right?
45:53Yeah.
45:53We really appreciate
45:54you giving us
45:54the responsibility
45:56to do this.
45:57One thing I have to say
45:59and you know this,
46:00this is science.
46:01Bloodlines
46:02do not always materialise
46:04as we would want them
46:05to do.
46:06Nothing would change.
46:07What?
46:07Nothing would change.
46:08You're a nice young man
46:09by the way
46:10and I have,
46:10you are a very nice young man.
46:12Really nice young man.
46:18I sort of feel
46:20like she's been berated
46:21but I think
46:22that's a testament
46:22to the good job
46:23your mum's done.
46:24I really need to say that.
46:26It's inconclusive.
46:29I'm not going to dress it up.
46:30Oh, you're joking.
46:31The DNA test results
46:32determine whether
46:32Leanna Lewis
46:33or full siblings
46:34are inconclusive.
46:35Now, that is,
46:35as I said,
46:36science and we have
46:37to be honest.
46:38That's because
46:38your father,
46:39if he was,
46:40please don't think
46:40I'm saying he wasn't,
46:41is not here.
46:42However,
46:44OK, hold on a second.
46:47Yeah, good idea.
46:49Right, somebody's just
46:50said it may have been
46:51quite rightly too.
46:52What this show
46:52always tries to do,
46:53as much as we can
46:54with the power
46:55that we have,
46:56is to find a solution.
46:57Now,
46:58we will approach
46:59other family members
47:02on the other side,
47:04i.e. the bloke
47:04you had the affair with,
47:06and get a bloodline
47:07that way.
47:08If we can,
47:09we'll do our best.
47:09We're not going to make
47:10the guarantee,
47:10but for you,
47:11Lewis,
47:11I want to do that,
47:12because I want you
47:14to have the truth,
47:15I want Leanne
47:16to have the truth,
47:17but I also don't want
47:18your mother to spend
47:19the next 20 years
47:20being blamed for something
47:21that,
47:21I'm not condoning
47:22your affair,
47:22I'm being completely
47:23straight,
47:23you've said it,
47:23and you've come here,
47:24but I think it's a bit
47:25harsh to have an affair
47:26if she's telling the truth
47:28the year after she has a kid,
47:29and basically spend
47:30the next 20 years
47:31being told he's not
47:32that man's,
47:34and then the man can't,
47:34I mean,
47:34I just think she's
47:35in a difficult position,
47:36as you are,
47:37as you all are,
47:37really.
47:37If we can get a bloodline
47:39from the man you had
47:40an affair with,
47:41and it's negative,
47:42that will give us
47:43a bigger answer,
47:44won't it?
47:44Exactly.
47:45Our team will do
47:46everything,
47:46that's the truth.
47:47Yeah.
47:48And, you know,
47:49I'm sorry it's not
47:50the answer you need
47:51today,
47:52but I promise you
47:53we will do
47:54what we can,
47:55is that all right?
47:57Nice young man,
47:58thank you very much.
47:59You'll go that one.
48:00Well,
48:01thanks a lot,
48:02sorry mate,
48:02so good.
48:03Give me a round of applause.
48:05I am to this morning
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