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00:00Welcome to the Constitutionalist Politics Podcast, a.k.a. CTP.
00:07I am your host, Joseph M. Leonard, and that's L-E-N-A-R-D.
00:12CTP is your no-must, no-fuss, just-me-you-and-occasional-guest-type podcast.
00:19I really appreciate you tuning in.
00:22As Graham Norton will say, let's get on with the show!
00:25Hello, everyone. Welcome to Books, Authors, Weeks, October of 2025.
00:37I had Health Weeks in February of 2025.
00:43I had a Music Weeks, three of those, in the month of March 2025.
00:49So, here we are, October. I have a lot of fellow authors I have the chance to have discussions with.
00:58So, Books, Authors, Weeks, October 25.
01:04Without further ado, let's head into a discussion with a fellow author.
01:10Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Constitutionalist Podcast.
01:22Welcome to me today. I'm going to say the name slowly, so hopefully, even though I'll, before I hit record,
01:30I tried to get the pronunciation all right. We'll see.
01:34Patrick Sangimino.
01:38Very nice. Well done.
01:40Okay. The G sounds like a J. Yeah, then. Yeah.
01:45Soft G, yes.
01:46Yeah. Okay. And, of course, if you're viewing behind-the-scenes video,
01:53Bitchu, Brighteon, Dailymotion in France, Rumble, YouTube,
01:58I'll put it at the bottom of the screen so you won't have to figure it out.
02:03And, for the benefit of the audio and or the transcript, those reading, it's Patrick, as you would expect.
02:12S-A-N-G-I-M-I-N-O.
02:18So, I'm just going to say Patrick from now on so I don't screw it up.
02:24You can call me anything you want.
02:27Just don't call me late for dinner, right?
02:29Here's the saying.
02:30Exactly.
02:31So, I've got the write-up from Mickey.
02:40Dogs chase cars.
02:42I like that.
02:44Dogs chase cars.
02:46Details the details.
02:48Here we go.
02:49Again, I hit record and the mouth don't cooperate.
02:52Details the downturn in the newspaper industry through the eyes of a long-time Kansas City sports columnist.
03:02I like that.
03:04But before we get into the book, let's back this truck up.
03:09Beep, beep, beep.
03:11Where were you born?
03:13Where were you raised?
03:14Where are you now?
03:17I'm a California native.
03:18I was raised in California.
03:24I moved to the Midwest.
03:28Who has a sports writer for a lot of years.
03:31And I have recently retired.
03:35And I moved back to California to be closer to family.
03:38Okay.
03:39That makes sense.
03:41In California.
03:42Hence, the Kansas City sports columnist connection in this book.
03:47Yes, sir.
03:49You put one and one together.
03:52Yes.
03:53Like I say in my how to write a book and get it published, tips and technique book.
03:59Write about what you know.
04:01Just fictionalize everything.
04:03But write about what you know.
04:05Yes?
04:07Absolutely.
04:08So, dogs chase cars.
04:11What was Christian so, so get ready, the pun coming, right?
04:17The genesis for this project.
04:23The genesis for the title or the genesis for the book itself?
04:28Both.
04:29Go with whatever you wish first.
04:31So, for the book itself, the book itself, I think you, I think most people can recognize
04:37that you pick up a newspaper nowadays and it's not what it used to be.
04:43It's a lot more expensive.
04:45It's smaller.
04:46It's pretty thin, yeah.
04:47But it used to be, I grew up in a time in the industry when, when it was such a, a, just a, the daily routine.
05:00It was a wonderful time to be in the, in the industry.
05:03And I was in what I consider to be the golden age of newspapers, you know, the, the, the, the 80s, the 90s.
05:13And things started to change a little bit with the advent of the internet.
05:16And then, kind of watched a few of my friends get, get swept up in these mass layoffs.
05:25Really good journalists.
05:27And I thought, wow.
05:27And what's AI going to do to all this?
05:30Yes.
05:30Yes.
05:31Excuse me.
05:34And then, then it became, what happens if, you know, what would I do if this happened to me?
05:38And it became this seed for a book.
05:41And here I was, you know, all of a sudden this guy's driving to work one day and he's been in the same job for 32 years.
05:51First as a sports writer and then as a sports columnist.
05:55And, um, he's driving to work expecting to be the latest, uh, casualty to mass layoff.
06:03So, you're, uh, you're, uh, you're watching this guy.
06:08Well, he's driving to work and he's, and he's flashing back.
06:12Don't give too many spoilers.
06:14Yeah, but he, but he, um, it kind of flashes back to the relationships he's had, how he got to where he was, some of the sports stories he's covered.
06:25But mainly the relationships and, you know, the, uh, the coincidences and the, the God winks of, of what brought him to this, this place.
06:38You know, I'm a firm, firm believer in God winks and, and, uh, and the messages passed on by people because that's the way life is.
06:50And the title.
06:53So here we are.
06:55Um, um, he gets to the end of life and he realizes her, he gets to the end of his career and he realizes.
07:03Not only is his career over, but all of those relationships that he kind of put on the back burner to, to, uh, at the expense of his career.
07:15Wasted away.
07:17Lost.
07:18Yep.
07:19Yes.
07:19So it's a, it's a cautionary tale on, um, the, the balance between home and work life, but also a, a, just a story of how you need to embrace.
07:33It's the people around you every day.
07:35Tell them you love them and tell them.
07:36I thought maybe the, I thought maybe the title is you were answering the proverbial question.
07:43Dogs chase cars.
07:44What happens when they catch one?
07:48The story, that story started in high school and I was, um, I was kind of talking to a girl.
07:56I was trying to make some time with the girl.
07:57I was a singer in high school and, uh, the bell rang.
08:01I was late for class and it was right across the hall and the teacher was watching me and I was like, there's no way I'm going to get to class right now.
08:10I'm making time with this girl.
08:11So I finally went to class and, and teacher looks at me and I said, sorry, I'm late.
08:17I was talking to someone and he said, dogs chase cars, but they can't drive them.
08:22And I was probably a little too, um, ignorant to realize what that meant that he was just throwing the ultimate rip on me.
08:37And, um, but it became this metaphor for life.
08:42What happens when you're, you're, uh, you chase the car and you catch it.
08:50Do you know what to do?
08:51What happens when you get the girl?
08:53Do you know how to keep her?
08:54What happens when you're chasing a story?
08:56Do you know what comes next?
08:58Everything.
08:58Yeah.
08:59All these.
08:59All these metaphorical things, though.
09:05I like to joke.
09:06I'm far too clever an author for metaphors.
09:10I use meta sixes.
09:12But I'm pump.
09:14That's funny.
09:16Yeah.
09:18I think it's clever, but I'm easily amused.
09:23And you mentioned high school.
09:26I took journalism in high school.
09:29Oh, I wrote for the school paper.
09:31And, like, the school paper of then is thicker than some of the newspapers of today.
09:38Yes, exactly.
09:40Yeah.
09:41And that newspaper doesn't cost a quarter anymore.
09:46Sure.
09:48Yeah.
09:49Just the, uh, uh, the ink and the paper and factoring in the distribution costs.
09:56That's why a lot of them are downsizing staff, but trying to expand content online behind a paywall, a model.
10:09Yes.
10:10But you've, you've asked your customers, and I think, I think customer service in every industry is, is failing just because people have had to make, um, make these concessions.
10:23Companies have had to make concessions to make ends meet.
10:26So, you've got fewer people, um, doing the job, and you're asking people to pay more for getting less.
10:36Yeah.
10:37Yeah.
10:37I, customer service.
10:39I've recently, I, I think both in this month, did two CTP video exclusives on customer service, or the lack thereof.
10:51Yeah, it's an oxymoron in a lot of ways, isn't it?
10:55Yeah.
10:56It's like, uh, one of the, running into issues with daily motion.
11:03One of my five video outlets is like, do you have anyone who actually looks at the error logs rather than begging?
11:15Have I tried this?
11:17Have I, yes, I've tried all that.
11:19How about you actually go look at the error logs and see what the real problem is, find somebody to fix it?
11:28Because, of course, on my side, being a former IT guy, I know bad programming from some people rightfully fired for their bad programming over the years.
11:40They just throw out the same generic, oh, we're having a problem.
11:46Try back later, Ermus.
11:48That doesn't tell me what the problem is or how to fix it at all.
11:53Look in the logs.
11:55What was the real problem?
11:58How do we fix it?
11:59And, obviously, the frontline customer service people are just to beg off to others who will actually look at it and fix it.
12:14You're no help.
12:15Pass me on.
12:17And it's something, I'm talking something so simple as I didn't get my paper this morning.
12:23And you call the number that they give you now, or now they want you to go online and do it.
12:32But you get a call center.
12:35That's not even in the town you're in.
12:37Not even in the country, most likely.
12:41Yes.
12:41So we've created this really weird system where customer service is not really customer service.
12:49And you feel just gypped by it, but the company's saving lots of money because rather than having two or three people in every office for every paper they own,
13:01they have one call center with 100 people there.
13:04And it could be in a foreign country, like you said.
13:07Yeah.
13:07But are they really saving money with all the customers they land up losing?
13:14Right?
13:14So, indeed.
13:16Right?
13:17I didn't get my paper.
13:18This is real simple.
13:20If you're at a place that can actually help, look in the computer.
13:26Who is my delivery person?
13:29Get them on the phone.
13:31Find out why I didn't get a paper.
13:33This isn't rocket science.
13:36But yet, and does it save money if I've got to go through 10 people to get to the actual person who can look that up?
13:45Exactly.
13:45You know, and I talked about the golden age.
13:49I remember when I first got into the industry, somebody called and didn't get a paper.
13:53And somehow that call got to the newsroom.
13:56I remember getting in my car and going to deliver it myself.
14:00You know, that's customer service right there.
14:04Right.
14:05Amen.
14:06Amen.
14:07I don't want to keep going down this road, though, or I'll rant and rave for three hours about it.
14:14But that's the, that is the, we're reaping what we sowed.
14:23And a lot of it has to do with technology and what it's done.
14:28And technology has been great in many ways.
14:32You were in the IT industry.
14:33You understand the, the, the benefits of it.
14:37But for, for all of the, the, the benefits, there are two or three really bad things.
14:46I remember when direct deposit became a big deal and, and, but try to go to your, but try to go to your bank right now.
14:56And, and, um, when you have a problem, they don't know who you are.
15:00I always liked knowing who the people taking care of my money were.
15:04That's why I go to my local branch.
15:07I, for now, somewhat small operation.
15:12And that's why credit unions do so well.
15:14Far more personable.
15:17Yes.
15:17You just want to know that you want them to know who you are.
15:21So when you have a problem, it's going to get taken care of.
15:24That part of society is gone now.
15:26And, and that's a shame.
15:28So, yeah, I'm going to make myself a note here.
15:31I'm going to, I just doxed my bank.
15:34I will obviously put that out.
15:40There you go.
15:40Be careful with that.
15:42Exactly.
15:44And yeah.
15:45And former IT guy, right.
15:47Ask people at the time that were buggy makers, right.
15:52About the automobile.
15:53You either adapted to making bodies that could work in a propelled buggy, or you went by the wayside.
16:04Every new thing, as you alluded, there are good things and bad things in them.
16:12Do you still own a buggy whip?
16:18Or did you ever own a buggy whip?
16:20Yeah.
16:20Me personally?
16:21No.
16:22Yeah, exactly.
16:23That's why I use the buggy as the better example.
16:28Exactly.
16:28Because buggies could translate to self-propelled buggy operations.
16:35But, no, I mean, the world changes and we adapt.
16:41You know, when the 8-track went away, we didn't stop listening to music.
16:46And that's what's going on with the newspaper industry right now.
16:50We're just kind of reinventing ourselves.
16:52But the problem is that by putting it behind a paywall online, you're asking people who once got this product for free online to suddenly pay for it.
17:05And that's the problem.
17:07Now, I understand that news costs money.
17:11You know, the producing news costs money.
17:15The people doing the job.
17:16Yeah, the collection of it, the aggregating it, how to most succinctly deliver it in word form.
17:26Yeah, that all takes time.
17:28That all takes people.
17:29That means money.
17:31And with social media, people, oh, I just, you know, get my – and they don't want – details matter.
17:39I ran rave about this all the time.
17:42Right?
17:43Details matter.
17:44That's why I try to keep the shows to around 30 minutes.
17:48The Twitter attention span.
17:50TikTok.
17:51Not everything can be explained in 30 seconds on a TikTok.
17:56Details matter, people.
18:00That's great.
18:01So, yeah, the newspaper industry is just reinventing itself right now.
18:06And it's going to – it's going through some hard times right now.
18:10And, sadly, it's just not what it used to be.
18:15Yeah.
18:16Again, like as we discussed, the buggies.
18:20You either adapted to a buggy that can work in a self-propelled environment or you died.
18:28Everything comes to a point, adapt or die.
18:32I will say that, you know, I chose the newspaper industry to write this story as a vehicle because it's what I have expertise in.
18:43You could have chose any industry and all of them are going through their adaptation to technology.
18:53Meanwhile, I think the story is far more about the relationships that are meaningful in life and how it is important to keep those things going.
19:05There's a wonderful relationship between a man and his father and how he really didn't appreciate it until the father died.
19:16And there's a story of a man who –
19:21That brings to mind the Mike and the Mechanics song, In the Living Years, right?
19:27The Living Years, great song.
19:29But you also realize, you know, when your job, this is everything you've ever wanted.
19:37Putting someone on the back burner, putting a marriage on the back burner for a job and all of a sudden waking up and realizing the job, excuse me, the job is just a job.
19:53The person, your soulmate supposedly, is now gone.
20:00But –
20:00Yeah.
20:01And now the job's gone.
20:02Yeah, just before recording with you, I was speaking with Jeffrey H. Haskell also, and you both are associated with Mickey Mickelson.
20:15And we were talking similar – human nature hasn't really – it creeps and pops up over and over all through time.
20:26We're talking human condition, not exactly the same, but adapting or dying is the same thing through the centuries.
20:39Just slightly different situations, but human condition remains the same, yes?
20:45You have a choice in all of this, and it's putting the people – the people matter, and putting them first has to be a priority.
20:57Is this your first book?
20:59It was my first book.
21:02And others in development?
21:05There's another one in development, yes.
21:07Don't give up the title.
21:10Never give up – create a working title.
21:13Do you have a working title you can throw away?
21:15I don't have a working title yet.
21:17You know, Dogs Chase Cars was the last part of – I had written this book, and I was pretty satisfied with it.
21:26And then it went through the editing process, and I realized I had a lot of work to go.
21:31And we reworked a lot of it.
21:34My editor was really good, and Stephen Perlonian in Colorado Springs, really good editor.
21:47Anyway, he guided me through this whole thing, but the one thing we didn't have was the title.
21:54And then all of a sudden, that one dawned on me.
21:56That was the last thing I wrote for this book was the title.
22:00Yeah, in my how to write a book and get it published, its tips and techniques, I always say never give out your title.
22:08Always have some – like the Book of Kennedy, Project Carpe Diem, was the working title.
22:17It became the subtitle to the Book of Kennedy, Project Carpe Diem.
22:22Never give away your title because someone might steal it.
22:27I was trying to come up with some kitschy little newspaper slang term, and then all of a sudden, I was just realizing that was way too inside baseball.
22:40And I – it just – nothing worked.
22:45Nothing felt natural or authentic.
22:47And Dogs Chase Cars, when I first came up with it, I was like, no, that's horrible.
22:54But the more I – the more I kind of tried it on, the better it felt.
23:01And now I'm very happy with the name of that.
23:03Yeah, and it's great when you can factor in an old adage or phrase like that, like I did Project Carpe Diem, right?
23:19Seize the day.
23:21Dogs Chase Cars.
23:22Most people that are at least older than 35 and have had any real schooling of any kind at all will be familiar with the concept, at least, to try to draw people in, yes?
23:43Absolutely.
23:43You know, anybody who's seen the Dead Poets Society would know what Carpe Diem – there you go.
23:49Yeah, I'm trying to think.
23:53I'm sure Dogs Chase Cars in some vestige, some variation has been in classic TV or movies somewhere, too, that even younger people, you know, was like, oh, that's an old phrase.
24:13That it's been introduced somewhere in some way or form to them, I hope.
24:21I can't think of an example offhand.
24:24We can't either.
24:25And, you know, I am not so naive to believe that my high school English teacher was the one who came up with that.
24:34Because while he was a smart man, I don't think he was a brilliant man.
24:42We'll cut that out in case he's watching.
24:44No.
24:44I hope he hears it.
24:46Bill Curran, I hope you're alive for this.
24:48Right, yeah.
24:54I think back to many of my teachers.
24:57Indeed, standing on the shoulders of all who came before, as an adage comes to mind, right?
25:06As me, I'm far from brilliant.
25:11I'm far from being a genius.
25:13I come up with some creative new things, but a lot of it is a variation on a prior theme, building on, standing on the shoulders of those who came before, yes?
25:28I believe.
25:29And most great ideas are just that.
25:33Most inventions today started with something before it.
25:38Yeah, something in some way, shape, or form.
25:41Why invented the term and trademarked Christatushalist, the left, right, Democrat, Republican, anyone here's liberal, conservative, automatically, usually engages an emotional hysteric rather than a logic, reasoned, thoughtful, considered response.
26:06So I wanted a new term.
26:08You're either Christian or you're not, and you understand the Judeo-Christian foundations, or you don't, and why I'm here to try to educate on that.
26:23No, I agree.
26:25Okay, well, as I said, today's Twitter attention span, short is better, right?
26:33But details matter.
26:35So, website where people can get more details about the book and about you.
26:43I do have a Twitter handle, and it's P Sanjimino, S-A-N-G-I-M-I-N-O.
26:51P as in P sign?
26:53No, just a P as in Patrick.
26:55Oh, oh, P as in Patrick.
26:57Yeah.
26:58Okay.
26:58Yeah.
26:58Yeah.
26:59I am not nearly created enough to come up with peace, Sanjimino.
27:04If I had to do it over again, I probably would.
27:08But my website address is patricksangimino.com.
27:14My Instagram is patricksangimino.
27:22That's about it.
27:23You can probably find me on Facebook as well, but at Pat Sanjimino.
27:28But you can track me down, I'm sure.
27:32A quick Google, and you'll find me.
27:34Okay.
27:35Well, I don't want to get into that either, but I'm shadow banned on most of Google.
27:44I've been writing articles as an IT guy.
27:48Before, there was such a thing as an internet to put things online, right?
27:55But yet, somehow, five decades of writings, Google pretends doesn't exist.
28:03They don't censor my books, because that would be screwing with Bezos' money and all the ad revenue they give them.
28:12Right?
28:14I mean, exactly.
28:16No, it's interesting, because, you know, we talk about Twitter and, or if you want to call it X, whatever you want to call it,
28:24and how much it has changed the journalism world.
28:29And, you know, it's everyone has a platform now.
28:32And that's a scary thing.
28:35You know, most people, most people deserve to be able to, well, everybody deserves to be able to voice their opinion.
28:43It's the world we live in.
28:44It's the country we live in.
28:46I believe in free speech.
28:48But just because you have an opinion, the right to an opinion doesn't mean you should share your opinion on everything.
28:57And we live in a world right now where everybody does without fact.
29:04Yeah.
29:05You were going where I was going next.
29:07Yes.
29:08You have a right to an opinion.
29:09But it matters if your opinion is based on the real world or unicorn fart delusions.
29:17And the one thing people mistake, there's a lot of people who call themselves journalists who don't do the actual reporting and the investigating of stories.
29:32And that's where things get really tricky is you got to do the work.
29:39The writing part is the.
29:40There's a big difference between a journalist and a anyone can be a reporter, walk up to John Doe, John Doe says X.
29:54Well, that's reporting.
29:57He said it.
29:58It doesn't mean it's true.
30:00Did you check?
30:01That's what makes a journalist checking facts.
30:05And John Doe is full of shit when he says X, because, you know, it isn't pink.
30:13It's purple or whatever.
30:16Right.
30:17Again, that unicorn fart delusion.
30:20Well, this is what I would prefer reality to be.
30:23Well, no, no.
30:24Reality is reality.
30:26Whether you like it or not, it is the reality that has to be dealt in.
30:32Not your delusion and complete fantasy.
30:37And you had mentioned Google.
30:39But as an IT guy, I mean, Twitter changed Google because Google used to engage in or the Internet was based around keywords.
30:54Well, they completely, it still is, but hashtags are the keywords now, whether real or imagined.
31:05Hashtag LOL is a valid keyword now because it's a hashtag often used.
31:13Right.
31:13So I get people who complain, I use too many hashtags, including in my books, a couple of places.
31:23I will use a hashtag, you know, phrase there.
31:29That's how the Internet works, people.
31:32I've IT.
31:33I know how it works.
31:35You use hashtags.
31:37You get better.
31:38Unless of Google shadow banning you, you get better cross-referencing.
31:43That's the way the Internet works now.
31:46And, you know, people outside don't know or don't understand that.
31:52It's a different world.
31:54And it also shows how, you know, as a longtime journalist who wrote incomplete sentences and complete words, I mean, we're not good at Twitter.
32:06We're, we just, we have had to adjust to this and make, make, make do.
32:13Meanwhile, these young journalists are coming up and they can't write a complete sentence.
32:18They can't spell.
32:19They can't do anything.
32:20But they are amazing on Twitter and they're getting all the clicks and, you know, they can't write.
32:27So, it's, it's interesting.
32:30So, it's, it's what has become, what do we consider to be good journalism right now?
32:36Is it the one that, where there's great reporting and great writing, or is it the one that's getting the most clicks?
32:41And we've often confused the, the number of likes and number of, of clicks to how good a story is.
32:53And therein is the problem.
32:56Oh, back to customer service.
32:59It's, uh, customer service, the measure, like I used to work for Kmart headquarters, right?
33:07The measure of a good cashier, they want to measure on how quickly can they scan and get a customer out the door?
33:18Well, that's one definition.
33:20Frankly, that's a bad definition.
33:23Now, if there's a thousand people in the store, yes, you want them to shut up and scan the crap out of everything and get customers out the door.
33:33But if it's slow, the measurement of that cashier needs to be, how personable are they?
33:41And the clicks per minute don't tell you anything about that, whether they help bring a customer back because they talked about the weather, they cared about their day, they shared a smile.
33:57The computer can't tell you that.
33:59Right.
34:00Right.
34:02No, you're absolutely right.
34:03It's, it's, um, our, our metrics now are just skewed by, by this new engagement that, that makes no sense in terms of, um, the actual product you're producing.
34:20Yeah.
34:23Yeah.
34:24Okay.
34:26Wrapping things up.
34:27Thank you, Patrick Sanjomino.
34:30The G sounds like a J.
34:31I got it.
34:33You got it.
34:34You got it.
34:36For coming on.
34:37Appreciate it.
34:38Take care.
34:39God bless.
34:40I appreciate you.
34:43For tuning in to books.
34:47There will be several different books.
34:49Authors.
34:50Several different authors.
34:52Books.
34:52Authors.
34:53Weeks.
34:54For October of 2025.
34:55And remember, you can check out my books at josephmleonard.us slash shop.
35:05And again, Joseph M. Leonard.
35:09It looks French.
35:11It's French.
35:11It's not Lenard.
35:13It's Leonard without an O.
35:15And I have to put the middle initial in there because there is a Joseph Lenard who is also a Christian author out of South Carolina.
35:25So I have to make that distinction.
35:28And going in line with books, authors of weeks, I've joked as guests on other shows, I am not he, he is not me, and neither of us will be confused for Shakespeare.
35:43And frankly, most writers out there are not going to be confused for Shakespeare.
35:49They're not trying to be.
35:50There might be a few that, you know, looking for that Renaissance era feel.
35:56But, hey, it's a new millennia, people.
36:02Right?
36:03This is the here and now.
36:06It isn't Shakespearean Renaissance era.
36:09If you're looking for Shakespeare, re-read Shakespeare.
36:13Take care.
36:15God bless.
36:16Love you all.
36:17Like and subscribe to the Christitutionalist Politics Podcast and share episodes.
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36:26Thank you for having tuned in for Christitutionalist Politics Show.
36:31If you haven't already, please check out my primary internationally available book, Terror Strikes, coming soon to a city near you.
36:40Available anywhere books are sold.
36:43If you have locally run bookstores still near you, they can order it for you.
36:49And let me remind, over time, the fancy high production items will come.
36:54But for now, for starters, it's just you as a very appreciated listener by me.
37:02All subjects, no fluff.
37:04Just straight to Key Discussion Points.
37:07A show that looks at a variety of topics, mostly politics, through a Christian U.S. Constitutionalist lens.
37:15So again, thank you from the bottom of my heart.
37:19Take care.
37:20God bless.
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