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Writer/Director Alejandro Amenábar talks to Fest Track about history, location and human interaction in regards to his new period drama world premiering in the Special Presentations section of the 2025 Toronto International Film Festival in Toronto, Ontario [Canada].
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00:00This is Tim Wasberg from Festtrek.
00:28I'm here in Toronto, Ontario for the Toronto International Film Festival.
00:58One day, someone will know from the one who told us great stories, the best of all.
01:06His.
01:08First of all, it's a relationship and I'm pretty interested in what happens among or between human beings.
01:22And in this case, when I started to do my research about the life of Miguel de Cervantes, I found in some of the history books this hypothesis of these two guys.
01:36It is known that they met a few times at least and there was this rumor about this possible special relationship between the two of them.
01:48And I thought it was really, really interesting in order to explore and to understand what was going on in that period of time in Algiers and what was going on in the mind of Cervantes.
02:00Cervantes.
02:02Cervantes.
02:04Cervantes.
02:05Cervantes.
02:06Cervantes.
02:07Cervantes.
02:08Cervantes.
02:09Cervantes.
02:10Cervantes.
02:11Cervantes.
02:13Cervantes.
02:14Cervantes.
02:15Cervantes.
02:16Cervantes.
02:17¡ لو, por favor!
02:18A este lo mata con no.
02:19¡Yo no soy nadie!
02:20Yo soy Zebra.
02:21Por lo que piden por nosotros de aquí no nos rescata ni el rey.
02:24Pude que estos caballeros le miren ahora por encima del hombro.
02:28Pero tu serás hombre de letras.
02:31¿Lo ¿estáis viendo?
02:33Una mano con un pañuelo.
02:35La mano siempre se escondía.
02:37Hasta que se acercó un cautivo.
02:39Do you know what I am?
02:40I am Casamaja, Lord of the Rings.
02:42Ego drives everything.
02:44Yes.
02:45And with obviously Cerates and the Bay, it's about the ego.
02:50But it's also about finding something deeper.
02:53Yes, I think it's one of as many elements in this particular period of Cervantes' life,
03:02it comes as a surprise.
03:04You think that this is going to be a thing about maybe ego and about, I mean,
03:10Hassan Maha being the villain of this story because, of course, he was the captor.
03:15He was the guy who held all these slaves for him.
03:21But the interesting thing for me was trying to explore this character
03:28and trying to find the humane things in him.
03:32This is, Hassan Maha was a guy who had in a very similar situation
03:37to what Cervantes was living in that moment.
03:40He was being captured by the Muslims and he converted to Islam.
03:47And then he was able to become even the governor, the ruler of Algiers.
03:54And that's something that was offered somehow that opportunity to Cervantes himself.
03:59So these two guys have things in common.
04:01And I wanted to start the relationship, of course, as a relationship full of tension
04:08and not seeing this Hassan Maha as the mentor of Cervantes.
04:14But then I wanted it to evolve.
04:17And as you can see in the film, it's not as clear who is the captive by the end of the movie.
04:23Oh, shit.
04:38Well, we were sold to the dreaded Bahá.
04:44There they were put us on a grill
04:47and they were locked up until we could pay our very expensive rescate.
04:58When I did the research about Algiers in those times,
05:01it really shocked me the kind of life and the kind of sexual freedom
05:05they had even in the streets you could find,
05:08you could see the courteurs walking around,
05:11walking by with their boyfriends
05:14and that's totally unbelievable for those times
05:18and nowadays even for some places, some cultures,
05:22but in Spain I can imagine how shocking it must have been for Cervantes
05:28getting to know all that culture
05:31and I wanted to portray that in the movie as well
05:34and also talking, I wanted to talk about freedom in every level,
05:39sexual freedom, physical freedom, mental freedom
05:43but you have to oppose that to the fact that he was a captive
05:47so we wanted to portray the world of, let's say, a prisoner camp
05:53which was similar, that was a similar experience to a prisoner's camp in those times.
06:00Is it pretty close to what it looks like?
06:02It is pretty close to the kind of lives full of deprivation and torture.
06:09It was really, really a nightmare for someone being taken as a captive
06:15and being taken to Algiers.
06:17But then at the same time Cervantes was allowed to get out of his prison
06:22and getting in contact with a society which was supposed to be the society,
06:27the culture of the enemy, Muslim culture.
06:30and then he found that and so I wanted to oppose that world of freedom, of light and of color
06:39to the dark world of the prison.
06:41Dr. Blanco de Paz, santo oficio.
06:56santo oficio.
06:57How have you been, father?
06:58Captured in the plain sea, a disgrace.
07:01Dr. Blanco de Paz.
07:04And there he knew who would be the most famous captive.
07:08And he knew his best friend,
07:11the father Antonio de Sosa, who wrote this.
07:14I.
07:15But it's also a power of storytelling and inspiration
07:18because he finds inspiration going out into the city.
07:21Yeah.
07:22And that informs everything with Tom Quixote.
07:25I think, I think it, it, it, this story allows you to understand
07:30how a mind can become a genius of storytelling by having this traumatic experience.
07:39I think that impelled him, that forced him somehow to write about him.
07:45And actually, that was the very first thing that he did when he went back to Spain.
07:49He started writing and he wrote a play about what was going on in, you know, years.
07:54But at the same time, the fact that, the fact that he was able to, he was allowed to,
07:59to get to know the city, helped him understand another kind of people.
08:05And I think that's what changed him somehow as a human being.
08:10And that, that's something that you can see in, in his, in his work, Don Quixote.
08:16Don Quixote is, is, is, is the first novel, the first modern novel,
08:21because it really explores the complexity of humanity.
08:25You don't have just black and white characters.
08:27You have characters with different layers.
08:30And even the characters arc. It's the first novel where you have a characters arc.
08:35It totally changes the relationship between Don Quixote and Sancho Panza by the end of the movie.
08:41And that happened, I wanted that to happen in our story, of course.
08:45And that's how Miguel began to find stories for the Bajá.
08:50And he entered, for the one that the Don Quixote guided him.
08:53How the giant took him to arm his caballero to Galahor,
08:56by the hands of the rey Lituarte.
08:57And for every story that he pleased,
09:00the Bajá promised him a day of freedom.
09:05We have to be honest and we have to be brave at the same time.
09:19I don't even want to, because there's been now,
09:22the movie is going to be released in Spain in a few days,
09:25and there's been already a bit of controversy,
09:27because of course this is one of the biggest Spanish icons for us,
09:31our most important writer.
09:34And not many people know about this possibility of his sexuality.
09:38So I knew that I wanted to be honest about it and open and I'm portraying it.
09:44But at the same time, I wanted to be elegant.
09:50And I wanted the audience to be able to understand,
09:55to really understand this guy, what's going on in his mind.
09:59So I think as long as you are in this kind of situations,
10:03when you're honest, and I think as a creator you have to be like that,
10:08there shouldn't be a problem with the audience.
10:11Always my impulse when I create, when I do movies,
10:14regardless how the controversy of the subject,
10:18I always try to connect with the people I have in front of me,
10:22because obviously I want them to come and pay to watch my movies.
10:27I have to be very respectful with the audience.
10:30But at the same time, I don't want to hide the issues that we have to deal with.
10:34And all that I saw, I told us every afternoon.
10:41To dream that we were free.
10:46And not only that, but that I gave a kiss.
11:01But others weren't so easy to accomplish.
11:08My last question, does creating the period setting with this one,
11:12does that help?
11:13With that, because obviously you have to show it in the context of Tiranja.
11:17But the problem is that it's very modern in many ways.
11:22And yet building that city, building all that, takes a lot of research as well.
11:27Can you talk about approaching that?
11:29The environment and the context was another interesting thing for me to explore.
11:35Because when I realized about the social life and the gay life in those times in Algiers,
11:44and considering now how the two societies have evolved differently.
11:49Now Madrid is like a very gay city where you could have the gay parade every year.
11:55And in Algeria, now there will be unthinkable.
11:59So now if we go four centuries back in history, you have exactly the opposite situation.
12:06So that shows you how relative time evolving is.
12:11But I mean, that shows how times are so, I mean, and the moral issues are so sometimes irrelevant.
12:20Because it really, it has to do with, it really has to do with the level of tolerance.
12:25Why did you invent the story of my ventana?
12:27I want stories, more stories.
12:29And for every story that he complacent, the Baha'i promised a day of freedom.
12:33So, with the pranks that no one had taken away from God's sake.
12:37So born the Cautivo.
12:39Miguel, what are you talking about?
12:41But do you think that someone can escape from here?
12:43Is escape from here.
12:45No one has to die.
12:47This is your story, son.
12:49This is the real life.
12:51This is the real life.
12:52This is a real life.
12:53This is mulu想.
12:54промcoomble.
12:55In the real life.
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