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00:00Who makes you feel the sexiest?
00:02I don't know if I really ever feel sexy.
00:04I think when you have the I made it moment,
00:06your drive diminishes.
00:09I don't really understand it,
00:10but music, I know, is such a tough industry.
00:13I did cry myself to sleep that night.
00:15You will be a mentor to somebody else.
00:17I was getting tall, boys were getting cute,
00:19bodies changing, everything's changing,
00:21and then my family was changing.
00:23I'm from Latin America.
00:24You grow up thinking that you have to be such a good girl,
00:26so humble, and so appreciative.
00:29And you really sometimes just need to own your power.
00:32Ilambe.
00:33Hi, I'm Nina Garcia,
00:35and I'm so excited to introduce our guest today.
00:38She's a Grammy-nominated singer-songwriter
00:41and one of the most influential voices in country music.
00:45This year alone, she played a sold-out arena tour,
00:48was a coach on The Voice,
00:50and of course, grace the cover of Elle.
00:53She's an advocate for mental health awareness,
00:56LGBTQ rights.
00:58Our guest isn't just following the rules,
01:00she's writing her own.
01:02This is Defining Kelsey Ballerine.
01:06Kelsey, thank you so much for joining us today.
01:09You had an incredible year.
01:11When you look back at 2025,
01:13what is one moment that will define this year for you?
01:18Ooh.
01:19Well, first of all, you're an icon, and thank you for having me.
01:21You're so sweet.
01:22It's really lovely to talk to you again.
01:24It's been a really beautiful chapter of life and certainly of my career.
01:28It's hard to even pick a word to define the rest of the year,
01:32because I have no idea what's coming up.
01:34But I think so far, doing my first arena tour, it felt very full circle.
01:39And I say that because there's a phrase that we use in Nashville called the 10-year town,
01:43and everyone kind of has their version of their 10 years to make it, what that means.
01:47I put out my first album 10 years ago, and it took a really beautiful, steady grind for 10 years to
01:54headline arenas, and we did it.
01:56How did it feel to see all those fans?
02:00Really emotional, and I wanted to make sure that I stayed present every night,
02:04because it gets really monotonous every day.
02:06You know, like you pull into the arena, every backstage looks the same.
02:10It's concrete.
02:11And so I really wanted to make sure that I was taking inventory every night.
02:16That's why we kept it to 35 shows and didn't make it longer, because I was like,
02:19I want to make sure that I can remember something in each city and just mentally document this,
02:24because not a lot of people get to do that, and I don't take it for granted, and I never,
02:28I don't know if I'll get to do it again.
02:35You've really carved out a name for yourself as a fashion fixture.
02:39Ooh.
02:39From the Schiaparelli look on the cover of Elle, to the Tamara Ralph couture mini dress at the Grammys,
02:45to a custom Michael Kors moment at the Met Gala.
02:48A Met Gala.
02:48Don't we love Michael Kors?
02:49Oh my gosh.
02:50Lovely human.
02:51Oh, the best.
02:52Was there a moment when you thought, okay, I've really made it?
02:57Never.
02:58Really?
02:58Come on.
02:59No, never.
02:59I mean, definitely moments where I'm like, I feel like a princess.
03:03Like, 13-year-old me is freaking out.
03:07Met Gala was a huge one.
03:08That's been on my bucket list for the longest time.
03:10Like, when I was a little girl, I'd play dress up.
03:13Like, that was my thing.
03:14I've always loved, like, clothes and fashion and beauty and being able to transform yourself
03:20depending on your mood and trends and all that stuff.
03:22And so that was really amazing.
03:24And the dress that Michael made was just gorgeous.
03:27Schiaparelli on your cover was a huge one.
03:30I don't think I'd ever put Schiaparelli on my body before.
03:32So even zipping it up, I was like, oh, yeah.
03:35So there's definitely moments that I think in anything, in music, fashion, business side,
03:40whatever it is, I think when you have the I made it moment, your drive diminishes.
03:45And I'm not there yet.
03:47I hear you.
03:48I can understand that.
03:49I believe there's more to come.
03:51Are there any fashion moments that you look back and cringe at?
03:56Certainly.
03:58You want to share?
03:59I have my own.
04:00What's one of yours?
04:01You go first and then I'll go.
04:02I've had so many.
04:03When I wore, like, something too tight or too sexy, I'm like, what was I thinking?
04:08Shoes that were too high when there were platforms.
04:10Yes, yes, that's hard.
04:12I mean, I've had several.
04:13I remember my first ever red carpet, you had to be top 40 to walk the carpet.
04:17But I really wanted to be at this award show.
04:19So I decided to be a correspondent for Radio Disney.
04:22So you could walk the carpet really, really early.
04:24And then you get behind the barricade and interview people.
04:27I didn't know.
04:28I didn't know.
04:29I didn't believe in eyebrow pencils.
04:32And I only believed in, like, booties, not heels yet.
04:35It just wasn't my best.
04:36And lots of blush.
04:37Yeah, it just wasn't good.
04:45You've talked a lot about how songwriting became an outlet for you as a kid growing up in Knoxville,
04:51especially as a way to process some of the challenging moments when your parents got divorced.
04:57Can you take me back to that time?
04:59Yeah, I loved music growing up and joined the Glee Club in my high school, led worship at church for a while.
05:08I always loved it.
05:09But I didn't know that you could just, like, choose to be a singer like you could choose to be something else.
05:15Like, I didn't know that was a career that you could chase down.
05:18I was 12 when my parents got divorced.
05:20And that's also the age, like, I was getting tall, boys were getting cute, bodies changing, everything's changing, and then my family was changing.
05:27But I just would hole up in my room, and I would write down all my very big feelings, and I would hum a little melody.
05:33It just became a really safe place for me where I could preserve all of my thoughts about all the big feelings that I had.
05:40That was like my branch in the water that I just held on to and then got out.
05:44Interesting.
05:45Yeah.
05:46Honesty has been a theme in your music, and I think that's part of why your EP, rolling up the welcome mat, connected the way it did.
05:54Has there ever been a moment where someone told you you're sharing too much, you're being too honest,
06:00or even warned you to dial it back?
06:04I think I was the person that was the most on the defense of putting out, especially that EP.
06:10Because I've always written about my life.
06:12Like, it's always been honest and from like a really true origin, but I would leave out details.
06:16So it could be for a 13-year-old little girl from Kansas, or it could be from, you know, someone who's like in London their whole life.
06:23Like, I wanted it to be for anyone.
06:26And then with welcome mat, I didn't.
06:28It was very just about my life at that moment.
06:32Those feelings.
06:33Very full circle to 12-year-old me with my parents, you know?
06:36I was probably the only one that was worried about the concept.
06:39Were you surprised?
06:40Very.
06:41Isn't that wild?
06:43Mm-hmm.
06:43It was like the most rewarding musical chapter of my life.
06:47And it was the most unintentional commercial project I ever put out.
06:50Incredible.
06:51This is a little harder conversation, but this series is all about the moments that define us.
07:05Obviously, we all know about the powerful poem you wrote about surviving a school shooting,
07:11which still gives me chills to read it.
07:15You say, I'm scared of loud noises.
07:18I'm triggered by the news.
07:19I'm terrified of guns.
07:20I'm sensitive in crowds, but I'm alive.
07:23And because of a boy named Ryan, I know what a gift that is.
07:26That is a powerful and scary situation you were in.
07:32Can you talk about that moment and how that affected you as a teenager?
07:36That happened the seventh day of my sophomore year in Knoxville at Central High School.
07:42It's hard to even really put that into words.
07:45Unfortunately, there are a lot of people that have been in that situation or a very similar one.
07:50And I think for me, it teaches you the value of life.
07:54There was also a shooting in Nashville two years ago now at Covenant.
07:59I was like, wow, we're living in a world now where I've been in the room
08:02for a school shooting and 0.3 miles down the road from a school shooting.
08:07And that is a really terrifying statistic.
08:09And I think that's why I'm starting to try to be a little bit more vocal about
08:14having a stance on what I believe to be right in that space.
08:18Well, and I think that's why you also think it's so important to be present, right?
08:22That's right.
08:22Talk about you want to be present at those moments in that arena with your fans.
08:27Just want people to be safe.
08:28And you also want to be present because tomorrow anything can happen.
08:32You've lived through that.
08:33Yeah.
08:34So it really is incredible that you live through that.
08:38I can't imagine.
08:40In your Elle cover story, you talked about owning your power and shared that your manager told you
08:46you need to stop acting.
08:47Like you're new here.
08:50Yes.
08:50Can you talk about that situation when you felt like you stepped into your power?
08:56I mean, we all go through that.
08:57Definitely.
08:58What is that like?
08:59For me at least, it was stemming from the fact that I was so grateful to be in these rooms finally.
09:05Like being at the CMA Awards and being at the Grand Ole Opry, I was like, I can't believe that I'm here.
09:10At the same time, I had worked my ass off for years and years and years and nothing was handed.
09:16Nothing was given.
09:17Like it was truly work.
09:19I'm grateful to be here, but you have to match it with that knowingness of I've also, I deserve to be here.
09:25Right.
09:26And maybe this is just like the, the Southern woman in me, but being like, yeah, good, good job.
09:31Me feels so icky.
09:33And I think I've learned from watching powerful women and having amazing peers in my life that
09:38the women that I want to be like, and that I really look up to are the ones that are like,
09:43here are my wins.
09:44Here are my misses.
09:45Here's where I want to grow.
09:46Here's where I'm killing it.
09:47Here you go.
09:48This is, this is my roadmap.
09:49And I'm like, I want to be like that.
09:51So I think it's, I think it's a journey for all of us.
09:54I'm from Latin America.
09:55You grow up thinking that you have to be so such a good girl.
09:59That's right.
09:59So humble.
10:00And so appreciative.
10:02Yes, quiet and small.
10:03And you really sometimes just need to own your power.
10:06Be lambic.
10:08Speaking of owning your power, you have achieved so much in your career.
10:13Yet as a woman at the top of her game in country music, it is still difficult to get radio play.
10:20Your fans are upset when you left this ACMs without a win earlier this year.
10:25As someone on the outside of country music, this shocks me.
10:31Why do you think this is happening?
10:33I wish I had a good answer for this, or I'd probably sleep a little better at night.
10:37I had seven number ones, and then one day I just didn't anymore.
10:41I still put in the work, and I still show up and put out songs that are undeniably country
10:47to radio, and it's just different now.
10:49And that's okay.
10:51If this was what success looked like for those first seven songs, and now that's shifted for
10:55whatever reason, where else can we go?
10:58Like, because I'm not going to stop.
11:00I'm not going to stop making music.
11:02So like, where else can I fit?
11:04So I think it's just about shifting where I'm finding success.
11:08And it's the same with award shows.
11:09Like, I've never really been an award show girly.
11:11I love going.
11:13I love performing.
11:14And I really let it affect me for a long time.
11:19And now I just go, you know what?
11:20I'm happy to be in the conversation.
11:22I know that I have value here, and this is not where I find my success.
11:27Good for you.
11:28I did cry myself to sleep that night.
11:30That is true.
11:31So I say this, but I need to be honest with you.
11:33Like I'm, it's, you know, it's, it's always this, it's very, yeah.
11:38And it's, to me, it's shocking.
11:40I don't, I don't really understand it, but music I know is such a tough industry.
11:45It's tough.
11:46Who are the women in the industry that you lean on for support?
11:51I've recently gotten to know Sheryl Crow a bit, and she is just the actual Webster definition
11:57of a badass.
11:58She really is.
11:59She's so lovely and gritty and cool and warm.
12:03I love Wynonna.
12:04I wish I could be around her all the time.
12:06She's incredible.
12:08And it's been a gift to get to know her really early on in my career.
12:11Taylor was a huge mentor and friend to me and really changed my life by sharing my music before
12:18anyone had heard it.
12:19Kelly Clarkson.
12:20I would die for Kelly Clarkson.
12:22I talk about her any chance I can.
12:23I make it weird.
12:24I love her so much.
12:25So I'm lucky to have really pillar women in my industry that I can, I can call and I
12:31can ask the hard questions.
12:32And you will be a mentor to somebody else.
12:35I hope to be.
12:35Yes, you will.
12:36I hope to be.
12:37We're going to wrap this up with a game of Inner Circle.
12:40I'm going to read you a scenario and you have to tell me who in your life would be there
12:44for you at that moment.
12:46I love this.
12:47Who's bailing you out of jail?
12:49Not that we want you to go to jail.
12:50I hope I don't go to jail.
12:52I'm calling Reese Witherspoon.
12:55That's a good one.
12:56That's a good one.
12:57Who's hyping you up before a big moment?
12:59My mom.
13:00Who are you texting when you want to talk a little shit?
13:03Carly Pierce.
13:04Who knows all your secrets, but would never tell?
13:06My best friend, Kelly, Kelly Bolton.
13:08Who gives the most honest advice, even if you don't want to hear it?
13:11My therapist, Kristen.
13:14Honestly, I owe her a phone call.
13:15It's been too long.
13:16Who makes you feel the sexiest?
13:18Whoa.
13:19I don't know if I really ever feel sexy.
13:22Oh, believe.
13:22No, that's not really.
13:23You are such a sexy mom.
13:25You're so nice.
13:26You are so sexy.
13:27I don't know if I, I, that's not really something that I wear.
13:31Seriously?
13:32Truly, truly, truly.
13:33Maybe that's like something I can work on.
13:35Except for that Schiaparelli.
13:36Okay, Schiaparelli there.
13:37That Schiaparelli is when I feel sexy.
13:41Who makes you belly laugh every single time?
13:45Oh my goodness.
13:46Uh, my childhood best friend, Madison.
13:48Who would you want in your corner during a major meltdown?
13:52Probably Taylor Swift.
13:53I feel like she can handle anything.
13:55She can.
13:56Who's the person you trust to pick up a tattoo for you?
14:00No preview.
14:01Unfortunately, I'm not precious with them.
14:03So you could pick one out and I would go get it right now.
14:05Really?
14:05Yeah.
14:06Okay.
14:07I'm going to pick that next tattoo.
14:08No preview.
14:09Okay.
14:10Anything you want.
14:13This was fun.
14:14This was lovely.
14:14Let's go to dinner.
14:15Yes, let's do that.
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