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00:00In 1984, called and he wants its ministry of truth back, the UK has created an elite police unit

00:06known as the National Internet Intelligence Investigations Team,

00:12dedicated to monitoring anti-migrant social media posts. Leaders claim its purpose

00:17is to detect early signs of potential unrest. Unrest like this protest and counter-protest

00:24had erupted after a 38-year-old asylum-seeking migrant was charged with sexual assault for

00:30attempting to kiss a 14-year-old girl. Despite the surveillance, UK's Prime Minister insists

00:35he still believes in free speech. We've had free speech for a very, very long time here,

00:41so we're very proud about that. We'll protect it.

00:45Well, with us now to react is Public News founder Michael Schellenberger. Michael,

00:50it is true that the United Kingdom and the West has a fairly robust tradition longstanding when

00:57it comes to free speech, but I'm not so sure that's true anymore. I mean, there's story after story

01:02about people being thrown behind bars in the UK, even for tweets that they have deleted with longer

01:10prison sentences than people who've committed actual physical violent crimes.

01:16Yeah, that's right, Guy. Thanks for having me on. Yeah, I mean, it's an incredible story.

01:20I mean, there's a woman that's in prison for 31 months, which is four months longer than a child

01:26rapist is in prison. And what all she was, she did was have a tweet up for four hours that she

01:31ended up taking down. This is a sweeping crackdown on free speech in Great Britain that we have not

01:36seen anything like in maybe hundreds of years. I mean, it's really astonishing. It's happening on

01:42multiple levels. Keep in mind, they were already arresting 30 people a day for wrong speech in Britain

01:49before this. Now they have a special police task force to constantly monitor social media,

01:54including X, formerly Twitter, and they can stop content based on age verification. So they can

02:01stop content saying, oh, this is harmful to mental health. And then X recently, just a few days ago,

02:06did block content on the basis of the British order to be able to identify if people were old enough to

02:12see it. So the other thing you mentioned, there was the Islamophobia. They're not going to allow people

02:16to criticize mass migration. They're going to call it Islamophobia and a hate crime and prevent it.

02:22So this is George Orwell. I mean, George Orwell perfectly predicted this in 1984 when he wrote his

02:27book in the mid forties. You know, Michael, I was just in Europe at a conference and talking to a

02:32number of the people there. I mean, they are married to this idea that you have to monitor the internet,

02:36that you shouldn't be able to say certain basic things, including posting memes or things that are

02:42counter to what they believe politically in terms of the political party that's in charge. It's not just the UK,

02:46it's also the EU. They have this new digital services act, which is complicated trade between

02:52the United States and the European Union. And even the deal that the president just got,

02:56it's an un, you know, it's an issue that has not been satisfied according to the administration.

03:01So I don't see this going in a direction that's going to get better despite the pressure. I mean,

03:06the UK and the EU are really dedicated to this idea of putting people in prison

03:11for saying the wrong thing or thinking the wrong thing.

03:17Yeah, absolutely. Europe's crackdown is maybe the worst in the world, but I mean,

03:20it's happening everywhere. And it's actually, unfortunately, accelerated since Trump was

03:24elected. So it's the EU, it's Britain, it's Ireland wants to read your social, your social,

03:29your private text messages, Canada, Brazil. The strategy here is to make it so that the social

03:35media companies will basically censor this content for everybody. So I think a lot of Americans go,

03:40I don't really care what happens in some other country, Britain or Europe. They should care

03:44because this is a strategy to basically encircle the United States and then have these social media

03:49companies pressure. They just delete, censor this content for everybody. It's coming at a time when

03:54it's always, it's overly political. The populist parties in Europe, just like Trump and the MAGA

04:00Republicans in the United States are focused on mass migration. So they want to censor that content

04:05because it's been so politically powerful for these opposition leaders, including Germany, France,

04:10Romania. They're basically trying to prevent the opposition from competing at all, both through

04:15censorship and just keeping them off the ballot. I will just say one positive thing is that Trump

04:19today, yesterday he called out the prime minister in Britain. Today he's imposed serious tariffs on

04:24Brazil because of their censorship and because of their lawfare in preventing a presidential front

04:30runner, the last president, Bolsonaro from competing in next year's elections.

04:34Well, and also just to add to that, I mean, Americans now have to worry about traveling to

04:39Europe and saying the wrong thing or posting the wrong thing or have posted the wrong thing

04:44many years ago, being in these so-called Western countries, they could face arrests by the Europeans

04:50or the Canadians.

04:51Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, and that's how, that's how they want, that's how 1984 works

04:58is they want you to be afraid of what you're going to say. They want you to be afraid of saying

05:02something controversial and then not expressing it. That's one of the most damaging things to free

05:07speech here. You have, America was found on the idea we have to be free to speak our minds.

05:12Europe has taken us in an absolutely terrifying and totalitarian direction.

05:17Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. Thank God for the first amendment here.

05:19Yeah, absolutely. Michael Schellenberg, Berger, thank you very much.

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