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00:00We got to wear jeans and blue shirts.
00:23Blue shirts.
00:25Is your family back to see you?
00:31Not as yet. It's a rather expensive trip.
00:34It's been in Aspen. It's an expensive place to stay.
00:36Your mom's off in Washington?
00:38Yeah. We started.
00:39Pardon me?
00:40No.
00:42I plan to have her down here sometime in June.
00:48First of all, I guess I should just ask how are you doing up here?
00:55It's a short question, observing a long answer. I'm doing well. I feel good. Working hard on my case. I need a lot more sun and a lot more fresh air, but other than that I'm doing okay.
01:10Do you get fresh air some? Do you get out?
01:13Well, I get to go to the library. It's a 50-yard walk from here across the parking lot to the library. That's my fresh air.
01:22Do you have more freedom at Utah State Prison?
01:25Well, when I was on the main line, as they say, medium security had a lot more freedom. You bet. A big yard to walk in and basketball court and handball court. You know, your standard medium security life in a prison is a fairly decent existence, relatively speaking, to a county jail.
01:46County jails are, by and large, pretty confined and inhibiting sort of places.
01:55Why did you decide to defend yourself?
02:00I began thinking about that way back in Utah. I had a year to study criminal law in action, and I have a lot of strong...I'm a very biased person.
02:14I have a lot of strong opinions about how things should be done.
02:17And when I came here, I think that my opinions were established to the point where the method that my attorneys wished to impose here and my own did not agree.
02:30And we couldn't coexist. And theirs were right for them, and mine are going to be right for me.
02:37I'm very...I have the greatest amount of confidence that, at least in the preparation stage, that my ideas will work. And believe me, I'm not standing here alone. I'm just called the habitus and the turning friends of mine today.
02:49Every day I get input. Every day I ask questions.
02:52But the reason I went on my own is because I just felt it was time. I felt it was right. I wanted to get involved. I wanted to become a part of my defense because I am such a part of it.
03:03I mean, obviously, I'm going to bear the consequences, so why not bear the responsibility of seeking my own acquittal and sustaining my own innocence?
03:14Ted, when you left Salt Lake, when you were extradited, you issued a statement saying you feel that everything will turn out all right, that you are innocent. Do you still feel that?
03:26Yeah, more than ever. Of course, you can't help but become an advocate for yourself when you're so involved in the case.
03:38I'm being a good defense attorney, and again, I'm not pretending I'm an attorney, but putting yourself in a position of being your own counsel, it's that positive psychology.
03:48You're going to do it. You're going to do it because you're right. You're going to do it because the person you're representing is innocent.
03:53It just happens to be, in this case, I've got a lot of stake, and the person I'm representing is myself, and I'm working all the harder.
04:00Yeah, I feel good about it, and yes, I feel that I'm right, and yes, I feel I'm going to make it. No doubt, my mind.
04:07There's always one thing that amazed me, as you know, I covered your trial, and I was there every day.
04:12When you, when the judge found you guilty of a seven-degree kidnapping, you never showed any emotion.
04:21Yeah.
04:22For somebody who believes he is so innocent, why was there no emotion?
04:26My attorney, John O'Connell in Salt Lake, and I've always mused over just how I should behave.
04:32What's the right way for Ted Bundy to behave and make sure that people get the right impression?
04:36And I just behave the way I feel is right.
04:39Okay, let me take the day of March 1st, 1976, the day that the judge rendered his verdict in my case first.
04:50I didn't show any emotion because, you know, what am I supposed to do?
04:56Am I going to jump up on the table? Am I going to scream? That's what I felt like doing.
05:00I heard my mother cry. It's an emotional time. I don't even like to think of that day.
05:05But I wasn't going to give these people who went out and built a case around a non-existent eyewitness,
05:11an eyewitness identification that was built by the police, I wasn't going to give them the satisfaction of seeing me break down.
05:18And, sure, I'm mad. I'm showing emotion right now because inside I'm mad.
05:27But I've kept it together because there's no point in destroying myself.
05:31I have got to keep myself together. I have got to stay calm.
05:34I've got to keep my presence of mind because as long as I do that, I'm going to beat these people.
05:39And that's the way I feel.
05:41I showed no emotion. I felt emotion, believe me.
05:44Now, the irony comes here.
05:48When Carol DeRoche, the kidnapping victim from Utah, came to testify in this preliminary hearing here,
05:54I was beside myself with Rach.
05:57She is turning into a professional witness as far as I'm concerned.
06:00She is a prosecution witness.
06:02And when I heard her go through that routine that I had heard three times before,
06:06I had restrained myself every time, I couldn't do it this time.
06:10And I told my attorney, I said, I'm going to get up.
06:13And I got up and I pointed at the judge and I pointed at her and I said, she's lying.
06:17She's lied three times before and she's lying now.
06:19And I felt it.
06:20And he pulled me down and he says, listen, she can't do that.
06:23And I said, okay, but I had to do it for once.
06:26For once they had to do it.
06:27And do you know something?
06:28People say, Ted Bundy didn't show any emotion.
06:31There must be something in there.
06:33I showed emotion.
06:34You know what people said?
06:35See, you really can get violent and angry.
06:38There's no right way for me to act.
06:41I act and I don't care what people think about how I act.
06:45I act according to the way I think is right and best for me at the time.
06:49I'm not going to try to please people or impress people because quite frankly,
06:53the amount of bias and prejudice that surrounds me as a media image,
06:59I can't begin to tear down.
07:02Not with this interview or a hundred interviews.
07:04Ted, do you believe, I'm a person from the media and other people here,
07:11do you believe that we created you?
07:13That it's our fault that we created this image of the mass murder?
07:18Is that what you're saying to us?
07:20Well, I think in the course of doing your job you did,
07:25not in a malign way, not in a personal vendetta against me,
07:32but in the course of publishing the material or broadcasting the material
07:39coming out of the Salt Lake County Sheriff's Office
07:41or the Salt Lake County Prosecutor's Office,
07:43you began to plant the seed in people's minds.
07:47Now, that may be your constitutional right and duty as well as your livelihood,
07:56but I think in the process you did create a media image of me
08:03that's far beyond the reality of me.
08:06As John O'Connell called the Bundy Monster?
08:08That's what he called it.
08:09I suggested it to John.
08:11We ought to get Mattel to make little dolls that walk and say,
08:14I'm the Bundy Monster.
08:16Ted, let me ask you this.
08:19You totally believe you're innocent.
08:22I'm not questioning that.
08:25My question to you is,
08:27how did it come to be that Ted Bundy
08:30could be involved in some of these things
08:33and has now been convicted once,
08:35is now facing first-degree murder charges,
08:38and as you know is being suspected in other murders.
08:41How did Ted Bundy come out?
08:44Where did he come from?
08:45That's a very long story,
08:46and I really can't...
08:47If I knew the answers to that question,
08:48I wouldn't be sitting here right now.
08:50I'd be back in Salt Lake with a new trial.
08:52And one day I'll have those new...
08:53One day I'll have those answers,
08:54and one day I'll have a new trial.
08:56Okay?
08:57But I don't know why.
08:58Okay?
08:59I can't begin to understand why.
09:02I know that there's a lot of police ego on the line.
09:08I know that a lot of men in the Detectives Division
09:10in Salt Lake County Sheriff's Office jobs are on the line.
09:13I know that a long time ago it ceased to be an issue
09:16whether or not I was innocent or guilty.
09:19The issue is now is can we pin it on it?
09:21Can we follow through and maintain our reputation
09:26as law enforcement officers?
09:28And I'll tell you,
09:29as long as they attempt to keep their heads in the sand about me,
09:32there's going to be people turning up in canyons,
09:34and there are going to be people being shot in Salt Lake City
09:37because the police there aren't willing to accept
09:40what I think they know,
09:42and they know that I didn't do these things.
09:44Okay, then how do you exist every day?
09:50How do you keep your sanity?
09:52Well, um...
09:53Or are you keeping your sanity?
09:55You're a young man, you're intelligent, obviously.
09:58How do you stay in that little cell and stay sane?
10:02They gave me a year's training course in that.
10:05From March 1st of 76 until I was extradited to Colorado,
10:11I was locked up.
10:13I had a lot of time to work on being locked up.
10:17It wasn't easy at first, but now it's easy.
10:20I mean, they made me hard inside,
10:22and I can spend time in there.
10:23I don't like it.
10:24I'll never like it,
10:25and I'll never accept it.
10:27But I can deal with it because I know how to...
10:31Let's say...
10:33Have you trained your mind?
10:34Train the mind.
10:35That's the word I was going to use.
10:36It's not exactly training your mind.
10:38It's just creating your own environment in here.
10:41Okay?
10:42And not looking at the ceiling,
10:44and not looking at the wall,
10:45and not thinking about the outside,
10:47and not anguishing over the fact that you've lost your freedom.
10:50But simply...
10:52In here...
10:53Simply knowing that some...
10:54Free...
10:55Because...
10:56...
11:02I mean, I live 24 hours a day in that thing,
11:04except when I go to the library.
11:05What did you say?
11:06Is it 6 by 12?
11:076 by 12?
11:086 and a half by 12.
11:09If somebody talks to me,
11:10they're locked up.
11:11They're punished here.
11:12You know?
11:13They're told,
11:14you do not talk to buddy.
11:15I don't know why.
11:17I don't know why this is paranormal.
11:19Okay.
11:20Let's do it.
11:21Let's take it up here.
11:22All right.
11:23Okay.
11:24How does this compare to there,
11:27to the Utah State Prison?
11:29It's a good deal smaller.
11:33I can't...
11:34I couldn't give you any exact figures,
11:36but I suppose if I was in medium security,
11:38and at Utah State Prison you'd have several acres to roam around in,
11:43all the blocks of the gymnasium industries area and whatnot.
11:48Even in maximum security we got to go outside,
11:50go to the weight room.
11:52What time do you get up?
11:546.30.
11:55Exercise?
11:56I walk about 2 miles a day.
12:00Inside.
12:01880 laps.
12:02I haven't been following your case that closely,
12:07but you'll have to agree you're the target of a great deal of mystery.
12:12And you said earlier macabre interest.
12:15Mm-hmm.
12:16Why?
12:17How many...
12:18Why?
12:19You'll have to admit there's a...
12:22there's a...
12:23a hell of a lot of circumstantial evidence,
12:26at least circumstantial,
12:27it seems to somebody who has read,
12:29simply read newspapers and articles.
12:31No, I won't admit that.
12:35No, there's a...
12:36I don't call it...
12:37it's not circumstantial as far as I'm concerned,
12:39and I don't really know exactly what you're referring to.
12:41and I don't really want to discuss it.
12:44But it...
12:46I don't care what anybody says,
12:48or the suspicions anyone harbors on the basis of that misinformation.
12:53And indeed that's what I call it.
12:55Circumstantial information perhaps,
12:57but misinformation as far as I'm concerned.
12:59A lot of people trying to pin a lot of stuff on somebody
13:03because, you know, it's convenient.
13:06But...
13:07You think you've been set up?
13:10Well, I don't think there's any broad scheme,
13:14but...
13:17I think one begins to...
13:19I would have to infer that,
13:21based on some of the police activity.
13:23I think...
13:24following November of 75,
13:26you'd have to say that there was a general...
13:29design amongst police officers in several jurisdictions
13:35to do whatever they could.
13:37And I think a statement recently made by a sheriff in Utah...
13:41Utah County, I believe,
13:43he said that he walked out in some of those meetings
13:45because it was just clear that they were just...
13:47they had one thing on their mind.
13:49And they were going to do anything to prove it.
13:51And I think this trial will show exactly what they've done.
13:54I'm not going to sit here and say people have perjured themselves,
13:58but I think that will come out.
14:00Are you angry?
14:01Sure, I get angry.
14:03I get very, very angry and indignant.
14:05I don't like being locked up for something I didn't do,
14:08and I don't like my liberty taken away,
14:10and I don't like being treated like an animal,
14:11and I don't like people walking around and ogling me
14:14like I'm some sort of weirdo, because I'm not.
14:19You know, I'm perfectly happy with the person I am,
14:22and I've always been.
14:24There's nothing...
14:25I mean, yeah, I don't pay my telephone bills on time,
14:29and I don't write my mother as many letters as I should.
14:33There are all kinds of things I can improve about myself,
14:35but a weirdo knows I feel good about myself.
14:38I'm happy with myself.
14:41You don't change.
14:42Why do you say Ted Bundy 24 hours a day?
14:45Well, gee, that name sounds funny.
14:49You know, I hear Ted Bundy in so many different contexts.
14:52I stay me.
14:53Okay.
14:54I've matured in the past year.
14:59Believe me, I've grown in the past year,
15:01and I've learned a lot of things about myself in the past year.
15:04Being in prison, going through a kind of hell,
15:08mature as a person,
15:10and I think it's done good things for me.
15:13My only misgiving is that I might never be in a position to apply it,
15:19you know, on the streets where I'd like to apply it.
15:22Do you ever think, when you're in that cell,
15:27about the possibility that you could one day face a firing squad?
15:32They don't have firing squads in Colorado,
15:34and I don't think that in any event that I ever think...
15:39I don't think about it, honest to God.
15:41And I've been asked that question before,
15:43and I'm gonna give you a pat answer if you don't mind.
15:46When you...
15:47Did you fly over here from Utah?
15:49Yes.
15:50Did it worry you all the way over
15:51that you might be killed in a car...
15:53in a plane crash?
15:54No.
15:55Did you think...
15:56Are you thinking about it now?
15:57Going back?
15:58Same here.
15:59I think I stand about as much chance of dying
16:01in front of a firing squadron in a gas chamber
16:03as you being killed in a plane flight home.
16:05Let's hope you don't.
16:08So you don't lie awake at night thinking about it?
16:11Not a moment.
16:13Honest to God, not a moment.
16:15Because it's not gonna happen.
16:17And, you know...
16:19Are you gonna be a free man?
16:21I mean, do you think that about being a free man?
16:23Sure.
16:25Yeah.
16:26And you think when I say there is circumstantial evidence
16:29that I'm in left field, there isn't circumstantial evidence?
16:32I know there isn't.
16:34You're dealing on the outside, I'm on the inside.
16:36Okay.
16:37I mean, you have access to information, but I'm on the inside.
16:40I know what's there and I know what isn't there.
16:43I've seen the vials and I've heard the reports.
16:46And Lord knows, I'm the first and foremost person
16:50who has the personal intimate knowledge
16:53that it couldn't be me, that it's not me, that I'm innocent.
16:56Okay.
16:57Dealing from that on out, I know exactly what's what.
17:02You know, and when you tell me the circumstantial evidence,
17:06I'm not gonna argue with you, Lucky.
17:09It's just, let's just wait and let's just let it come out in court.
17:13Let's let it be examined in open court and I'll lay my money on me.
17:18That's the way I feel.
17:20You think about getting out of here?
17:23Well, legally, sure.
17:27With the rumors that have gone on about you, and you're more aware of them than I am,
17:32how have you been treated in prison by other inmates?
17:35Well, I think you may...
17:37Has it made your life more difficult or more dangerous being in prison?
17:42I think you may be more aware of the rumors than I am.
17:45For this reason, I have heard a lot of talk,
17:49and there might be an inmate ex who says, you know,
17:53Bundy's this and that kind of person, but you know,
17:56when I'm confronted person to person by these people, or by people in general,
18:03I have never, I have never been accused, I have never been assaulted,
18:08I have never been verbally abused.
18:10And the reason is because I hold my head high, I believe in myself,
18:14and I treat every man with the respect that he deserves.
18:17And that's the way you get along in prison.
18:19One of the many ways you get along in the joint is that you treat a man with respect,
18:24that you don't try to hustle somebody, that you come across straight to him,
18:31and one of the first things you learn, that if you're a straight con,
18:34and you keep your mouth shut, and you keep tight with good people,
18:39you're going to stay out of trouble.
18:41And it doesn't make any difference what you've done.
18:45What happens if you're in prison five years,
18:48and nothing like what has happened in the past happens again?
18:51What do you mean?
18:52I mean, any of the things that you have been accused of,
18:55and you went by innuendo, by rumor, by the police departments, or whatever.
18:59What if there are no killings, there are no kidnappings?
19:02It's already happened, hasn't it?
19:04I've heard some reports, you know, I remember the incidents between five and eight,
19:09which are similar to the ones which the police have had the nerve to try to associate with me.
19:16It's going to continue to happen in Salt Lake, in Utah, until those police start to wise up,
19:22and stop counting their chickens before they hatch.
19:26I think it's a terribly dangerous mentality to try to pin something on somebody
19:31who they believe there's a possibility that couldn't have done it.
19:37And as long as they believe that, they're not going to find the right man.
19:41And the man who kidnapped Carol Durant is going to continue to be free,
19:44and not only her, but every other young woman in the Salt Lake Valley
19:47is going to be threatened by that person or persons.
19:51And it's happening today, and it's going to happen in the future.
19:54What do you think about, in your mind, what do you conjure up about the man that they're after,
19:58or the real man who did these things?
20:01Man or men, persons, persons, I don't know.
20:04I really have, I can't even begin to understand the mentality.
20:08I don't understand the motivation, I don't understand...
20:29Dave, do you ever feel like you'd like to escape?
20:32Let me preface any answer to that remark by giving my feeling about jails.
20:42Somebody asked me, that question's been asked me before,
20:45I mean, would you want to escape, have you ever planned to escape?
20:48And if my attorney was here, he'd say, I object, Your Honor,
20:51Mr. Bundy is being asked a question, an attempt is being made to ask Mr. Bundy to incriminate himself.
20:57But let me try to get my way out of that one.
21:02The Utah State Prison, as you know, is surrounded by several barbed wire fences,
21:07and has many, many guards and towers, and they've got dogs that run around there,
21:14and they've got bars in the cells, and they've got count procedures.
21:18And what do you think that's all for?
21:20That's to keep the man in there.
21:22Now, does anyone think that if they took those fences down,
21:25and took those dogs away, and those guns away, all those guys would stay?
21:30Sure they'd go.
21:31The very reason for prison, the very assumption of all those bars,
21:34and all that barbed wire, is that if it's not there, those guys are going to leave.
21:37And I swear to God, every man in that prison, at one time or another, thinks about going,
21:42wishes he wasn't there, and wishes he could fly over those fences.
21:46I've dreamed about flying over those fences.
21:48I've dreamed about climbing over those fences and tunneling under those fences.
21:52With every other man in there, I've dreamed about being free.
21:55Because I don't like my liberty being taken away, and no man does.
21:59Some men in the Utah State Prison become institutionalized
22:02because they've been so brutalized over the years,
22:05they don't want to think about the outside.
22:07But most every man, when he first goes in there, dreams and thinks,
22:11and conjures up all kinds of ideas of freedom.
22:14But the real difference, the real measure of a man in prison, as far as escape goes,
22:19is the difference between hitting that fence and not hitting that fence.
22:23Between getting shot at and not getting shot at.
22:26And having the guts to do it and not having the guts to do it.
22:29You might be able to open those gates at the Utah State Prison and 80% of the guys wouldn't leave.
22:35They'd be afraid to get back out into society.
22:38They'd be afraid of being shot or getting another beef put on them.
22:42Okay?
22:43But some would.
22:44All I'm saying is, I'm no fool.
22:47I don't like being locked up and I don't think any man does.
22:51You talk about getting out.
22:53Do you ever worry about what some of the parents of some of these women who think you are guilty,
22:59that they might come after you?
23:01I don't worry about it.
23:04There are crazy people anywhere.
23:06I've been told that the parents of these girls are fairly decent people.
23:14I don't know.
23:15And I really feel for them because apparently they've suffered some incredible tragedy in their lives.
23:20The loss of a loved one is probably the most extreme kind of loss you can suffer in this life.
23:27And I say I feel as much for them as anybody can, not having gone through that myself.
23:33But as far as worrying about that, hey, if someone's crazy enough and nutty enough to do something like that,
23:39I can't stop them.
23:41There's nothing I can do.
23:43You are not guilty.
23:46I'm not guilty.
23:49Does that include the time I stole a comic book when I was five years old?
23:53I'm not guilty of the charges which have been filed against me.
23:56And the allegations?
23:58And the allegations.
23:59And the rumors?
24:00I don't know all of what you're speaking about, Lucky.
24:03It's too broad and I can't get into it in any detail.
24:06But I'm satisfied with my blanket statement that I'm innocent.
24:12No man is truly innocent.
24:15I mean, we all have transgressed in some way in our lives.
24:19And as I say, I've been impolite and there are things I regret having done in my life.
24:27But nothing like the things I think that you're referring to.
24:33Have you ever physically harmed anyone?
24:35Ever physically harmed anyone?
24:37No.
24:38No.
24:39No.
24:40You know, again, not in the context I think that you're speaking of.
24:52Okay.
24:53Before I notice, it's two o'clock in the morning.
24:55Makes a bit of a bit.
24:56I developed that technique in Maximum Securities.
24:59I found the best way to make time pass is, first of all, you come up with a schedule to try to meet.
25:05And schedules are made to be broken, but the process of breaking a schedule, you never make it.
25:10You know, you're always hustling to make that schedule.
25:11And time just sort of zips away.
25:12Are you a good typist?
25:13No.
25:14Not at all.
25:15They wouldn't give me any correction fluids, so I've got these little papers.
25:17Okay.
25:18Let me ask just a question here now, okay?
25:20Just a couple of questions I've already asked you.
25:21You don't have to answer them.
25:22Yeah.
25:23You'll have to admit that there is at least a lot of circumstantial evidence.
25:25Do you ever feel like you're going insane?
25:26What's wrong?
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26:22built in 1887 it used to be down here. I can't begin to describe it as dark and damp and drafty.
26:30Aside from that it's a bad trip.
26:36So you were more glad to come down here?
26:40Six of one and a half dozen the other, you know. Down there I could talk to prisoners, we had three meals circulated around myself.
26:45It wasn't hot.
26:47It wasn't hot?
26:48I was out with everybody 24 hours a day. Nothing bad happened.
26:54Until they brought Claudine down.
26:56Well, you know, she came in.
27:04I, uh, I made the point out there, so I'll fight for her.
27:09Really?
27:10Yeah, for sure. I would qualify for the third degree.
27:22Oh, come on guys.
27:26Yeah, I know more about, uh, my class is graduating in about a month.
27:34Alright.
27:35In law school?
27:36Alright.
27:37I'll bet you I know more about law than you, any of them.
27:39How does it make you feel when I graduated?
27:41That pisses me off.
27:42Now that does piss me off.
27:44Goodbye.
27:46Chad, take care.
27:47Okay.
27:48Later.
27:49Alright, let me move back.
27:59Alright, let me move back.
28:03Here.
28:33Bundy spends his life inside this 16-cell county jail.
28:50He gets up at 6.30 in the morning, walks, he says, about two miles a day, pacing a cell.
28:57But he spends most of his time preparing his defense.
29:03Bundy spends his life inside this 16-cell county jail.
29:16He gets up at 6.30 in the morning, walks, he says, about two miles a day, pacing a cell.
29:21But he spends most of his time preparing his defense.
29:33Why is the wind blow just when you see it?
30:02Let me start a sec.
30:10Bundy refused to discuss any of the specific charges or allegations against him.
30:15He says he doesn't think about being convicted or executed.
30:18He thinks about being exonerated.
30:20His first-degree murder trial will most likely begin next fall.
30:25Barbara Grossman, News Watch 2, Glenwood Springs, Colorado.
30:29Ted Bundy refused to discuss any of the specific charges or allegations against him.
30:41He says he doesn't think about being convicted or executed.
30:45He thinks about being exonerated.
30:48Ted Bundy's first-degree murder trial will probably begin sometime next fall.
30:52Barbara Grossman, News Watch 2, Glenwood Springs, Colorado.
30:56Ted Bundy has been besieged by newsmen from throughout the West.
31:16What am I saying?
31:18Ted Bundy has been besieged by newsmen from throughout the West.
31:21Ted Bundy has been besieged by newsmen from throughout the West.
31:30In a few weeks, he plans to go to court here and asks that the press not be allowed inside his trial.
31:36In the meantime, he did allow us to interview him, provided we did not discuss.
31:41You're a good client.
31:42Ted Bundy has been besieged by newsmen from throughout the West.
31:47Ted Bundy has been besieged by newsmen from throughout the West.
31:49In a few weeks, he plans to go to court here and asks that the press not be allowed inside his trial.
31:54In the meantime, he did allow us this interview, provided we did not discuss specific charges.
32:08Ted Bundy has been besieged by newsmen from throughout the West.
32:11In a few weeks, he plans to go to court here and asks that the press not be allowed inside his trial.
32:17But he did allow us to interview him.
32:19Oh, keep going.
32:20Tell me he did allow.
32:21Okay.
32:25You on?
32:28Ted Bundy has been besieged by newsmen from throughout the West.
32:32In a few weeks, he plans to go to court here and asks that the press not be allowed inside his trial.
32:36In the meantime, he did allow us this interview, provided we did not discuss specific charges.
32:46Ted Bundy has been besieged by newsmen from throughout the West.
32:50In a few weeks, he will go to court here and ask that the press not be allowed inside his trial.
32:55In the meantime, he did allow us this interview, provided we did not discuss specific charges.
33:00But, can I ask one thing?
33:06Is the light down on the other ones that we should be able to shoot?
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