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This Old House Season 47 Episode 3
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00:00Today on This Old House, I'm in East Asheville, residing a home flooded during Hurricane
00:06Helene.
00:07And our North Asheville project suffered extensive tree damage.
00:11Mark is here to evaluate the extent of the chimney damage, and Zach is back to help reconfigure
00:17the floor plan.
00:47Hey there, I'm Kevin O'Connor, and welcome back to This Old House and to the mountains
00:57of Western North Carolina.
00:59Six months ago, this area was hit by Hurricane Helene, and that meant record-breaking floods,
01:05landslides, and devastating tree damage.
01:09It's estimated that they lost over 820,000 acres of their trees, maybe as much as 40 percent
01:15of the tree canopy in this area.
01:18Still, there are beautiful vistas all around, like the one here right behind me.
01:23And with the first signs of spring showing up, our homeowners are starting to see progress
01:27on their houses.
01:28Down in Swannanoa, all three of our homes have gotten new roofs, work has begun outside, and
01:34drywall is going up inside.
01:38At our North Asheville project, Mark is meeting with General Contractor Larry Ward to get an
01:43update.
01:44Larry.
01:45Mark.
01:46How are ya?
01:47Yeah, good to see ya.
01:48You too, you too.
01:49Thanks for coming.
01:50I can't believe all the devastation.
01:51I'm sorry that happened.
01:52Yeah, this house really took a big lick.
01:54Yeah.
01:55Big tree fell across it, damaged about half the house.
01:58We've had to tear it down to the floor system, to the framing.
02:02Just clean it up, get all the water out of it, all the damage, and it took out part of
02:06the chimney.
02:07Yeah.
02:08I've got Don and my mason inside to evaluate it, figure out where we're at so we can move
02:12forward.
02:13Okay, well, I can't wait to get at it.
02:15Let's do it.
02:16Alright.
02:17Alright.
02:18Thanks, Larry.
02:20Hey, Don.
02:22Hey, Mark.
02:23Don, how you doing?
02:25Good to meet you, sir.
02:26You as well.
02:27So, I was just outside with Larry.
02:29He told me that a tree collapsed onto the chimney and did a lot of damage.
02:32Yes, and when the tree hit the chimney, it knocked a lot of the brick that was above
02:38the roof down into the flue liners, and it's got the damper lid jammed.
02:45Okay, believe it or not, I've seen something similar.
02:48I think you've been around long enough, you've probably seen something like this as well?
02:52I have.
02:53Yeah.
02:54I've been doing masonry a little over 55 years, and I've been probably laying brick
03:01and block for 50 years.
03:03Wow.
03:04So, I love the trade, love the craft, and it just becomes part of your life.
03:11Yeah, I agree with that.
03:13So, I have to admit, you have me beat by a few years, but this is going to be an honor
03:17to work together, and I can't wait to get at it.
03:19Yes, sir.
03:20You want to take a look at it there and see what the situation is, and then it's going
03:25to take a little bit of work to get this stuff loosened out there to where we can assess how
03:30much damage it's really done to the chimney.
03:32Oh, okay, Don.
03:34Yeah.
03:35So, if we can slide that damper lid over to one side, maybe it can drop down.
03:41Okay.
03:46This is what's jamming me up.
03:49I think I'm going to chip this brick, and then you or I can come back and patch that.
04:15Oh, yeah.
04:16That's no problem.
04:17Okay.
04:18We can do that.
04:19Yeah.
04:20Woo!
04:21I might have taken just enough, Don.
04:34Here we go!
04:35There it is.
04:36All right, Don.
04:37Victory.
04:38Oh, yes.
04:39We won.
04:40You didn't even bend it.
04:42Okay.
04:43Actually, we got a nice smoke chamber.
04:47Of course, you can see that big chunk we have lodged in the flue.
04:51We got to get that out.
04:53Maybe you run up top.
04:54I'll stay down here.
04:56If we can get that big chunk out of there, Don, I think we're looking good.
05:00I'm going to send this hook down, and I'm going to jiggle that piece a little bit.
05:06Okay.
05:07You're doing great.
05:08Yup.
05:09All right, I'm going to pull up a little bit.
05:11Okay.
05:12You okay?
05:13Yes, sir.
05:14All right.
05:15Whoa!
05:16All right.
05:17All right, Don.
05:18Feels like we cleaned her out.
05:21Yes, sir.
05:22Yes, sir.
05:23All right, so I can tell this is the fireplace flue.
05:39There's a little creosote right here buildup, but do you know what that flue is?
05:43That's been an old flue for a heating unit that's no longer being used.
05:48All right.
05:49That one's going to get closed off.
05:50Great.
05:51I like these two walls.
05:52They divide the flue chambers, which is always good.
05:55I actually think it's code.
05:57The walls don't have to be pretty.
05:58They just have to be solid, which you and I can tell these are, so I like to see that.
06:04Something that I'm not too crazy about and did have a question on is the framing.
06:08Up north, we have regulations that are going to keep the framing off of the masonry.
06:12I would assume you have the same down here in North Carolina?
06:14Yeah, this is temporary and North Carolina building code tells us never any masonry touching wood.
06:22All right, so temporary framing.
06:24Yes.
06:25Once it's down, we're going to have our clearances.
06:27So, Don, you and I can see the general conditions of these flues.
06:30I think they look good, but we can't see like a hairline crack.
06:34Yeah, we've got a chimney sweep that's going to run his camera down in there and take a look, and he'll tell us what he sees.
06:40Okay, that's going to be perfect.
06:42Mark, this is Alan, chimney sweep.
06:45Hey, Alan, how you doing?
06:46Great.
06:47I hope you are.
06:48All right.
06:49No, we're glad to see you because we know we have a little creosote in these flues.
06:52Sure.
06:53We'll go ahead and sweep it out, clean it out real good, and then that way we'll be able to see what's going on a little more accurately with our camera.
06:58Okay.
06:59And it looks like you're all set up, so ready to go?
07:01We're set.
07:02We're ready to go, yes.
07:03All right, let's get it.
07:04All right.
07:12Okay, we're going to run this camera all the way up to the top and then work our way back down with it.
07:39Okay.
07:40All right, am I seeing a crack right there?
07:49Yes, sir.
07:50That is a crack.
07:51All right.
07:52There are some large gaps and cracks there.
07:57Any time you see black on the inside of a chimney, it's leaking somewhere.
08:02Yep.
08:03All right.
08:04Well, gentlemen.
08:05How are you, Larry?
08:06Give me a verdict.
08:07Okay, so we found a couple things.
08:08The flue chamber, a small crack in one of the flues.
08:11The mortar in between the flues is degraded.
08:14They used a type N mortar, which we don't like.
08:17And if it's going to be used as a fireplace, then I would remove this wall of brick here so that I could have access to taking the liners out, put stucco on the throat, and then come back up with new liners laid with refractory mortar.
08:36Well, gentlemen, I think I've got to go and talk to the homeowners and see what direction they want to go with this chimney, and we'll make a few decisions and start moving forward.
08:45All right.
08:46All right.
08:47Let us know.
08:48Thank you, guys.
08:49Thanks, Larry.
08:50Appreciate your help.
08:52All right.
08:53All right.
08:56All right.
08:57All right.
09:00All right.
09:01Hey guys.
09:02How are you doing?
09:03Hey.
09:04How are you doing?
09:05How are you doing?
09:06Good to see you.
09:07So remind me how high up the water got here?
09:08siding which i'm going to be helping out uh will and miguel hey guys how you doing hey good to see
09:13you so remind me how high up the water got here the water was about a foot below that vent you
09:20see right there wow entire first floor basically yeah so i know that a bunch of work was done on
09:26the inside but tell me what you guys found with the siding out here we found that most of this
09:32trim board had a good amount of water trapped behind it especially where there's it wasn't
09:38open on the back side like the rim joists into corners so we started pulling all this off it's
09:44all soaked and as we did that we discovered that about two three feet up all around the house there
09:51was a lot of mud and soaking wet not just clean water that got into the house that's right muddy
09:55water the mud kind of all seeped down in here and just stuck here so soaking wet so we started
10:02taking off siding until we found dry spot okay so what's your plan of attack we've got a cement
10:09board for siding right that's right uh we've got the trim board here that this is new you put up this
10:14is all new fiber board what are we doing today um well today we're going to chalk some lines and
10:21do as much siding as we can gonna work it we're kind of working some of this backwards because we
10:27don't have windows yet yeah so these are we're waiting on these it's part of the process that we have to
10:31do some things backwards here but yeah we'll kind of just side around this hole and then cut it in
10:37later all right all right go ahead good
10:45i'm gonna try to nail it right into the stud more or less
11:07so this is how you're getting your profile for basically the starter course that's right we're
11:11going to just use the water table here as the little built-in kind of kicker okay and then uh
11:16you guys are going to spline yep behind each joint just a little piece of vinyl here for the flashing
11:24and then one now like that will hold it right in place all right then the next piece we put it
11:30we'll leave a little bit of a gap here so that expansion contraction a little expansion joint you do
11:36the clock now you do the clock later we'll let the penner take care of the cook this is what we call a nickel
11:40gap about the thickness of a nickel now here i have no stud to nail to at this kind of joint so i'll just put
11:53an extra now for good luck
12:02piece is this wide this long it goes quickly that's right
12:06so window opening come to side casing with a cut are you going to run it long like what do you
12:14for right now we're going to just go straight through trim it later trim it later we have a
12:18lot of work to do trimming out these windows we'll probably end up cutting a lot of this siding yeah
12:23so i'm just going to go straight through and we'll deal with that when we install the window okay
12:28so what we want to do here since we don't have a line behind this board is just
12:58make sure we have six inches below that's what i got
13:21back in north asheville zach is continuing work with carpenter james moore
13:25okay zach we're back in the living room with our vaulted ceiling and you can see we've made some
13:32progress and getting things built back i know the first thing i noticed is this beam yes we had an
13:37engineer and he designed the span and the height of the beam that we need to put in in order to support
13:43this so that we can remove a little bit more framing as well but we've got that installed the new
13:50rafters here and left a few of the old rafters that were not damaged got it so over here i noticed
13:57we left this wall but now this looks like a brand new wall did you decide to remove that we did we
14:02took the whole wall down because it was really not in good shape at all it's easier many times just to
14:08go ahead and tear the whole thing down and start again it doesn't sound right economically but really
14:12it is you're saving on labor so they're going to put a window i think in this wall we're going to
14:16consult with the homeowners but the big concept here is they're going to make this whole area
14:21one room this wall is going to come out it is a load-bearing wall it was but we've replaced it
14:27with the beam so we're in good shape to tear it out now it makes sense you get that beautiful view
14:32that you'll be able to take in there so so what kind of is there cabinetry going here there is a
14:36brand new kitchen is going to go in there's going to be a super-sized countertop that's a part of the
14:43cabinetry uh great place to gather as a family really centralized here in this space it's going
14:48to work out really really nice so we're ready to take this out and then we're going to continue
14:54with the subfloor and that's the next step so we've got some guys out here they're going to help
14:59us do that shouldn't take us long at all and we can proceed with this floor and get it down all right
15:04let's do it all right
15:26now we're ready to take up this temporary so-called floor right put down the permanent three-quarter
15:32tongue and groove
15:55the reason we're gluing it is to make it a part of the floor system it won't squeak as much and if
16:00you've ever tried to get some up with glue on it it doesn't come up easily so it really makes a
16:05difference to have glue well worth it so let's see how this one fits better go there and she's got
16:11to come this way just barely oh i have to drive it in with a sledgehammer that's good
16:28so
16:40I think that's got them all Zach, that's finished the floor.
17:00That looks really good, nice and clean space now.
17:04We've got it all down, it's nice and solid now, and we've got a room that is almost twice
17:09as big as it was.
17:10Absolutely.
17:11It feels like, you know, ready to put cabinets and drywall in here.
17:14It does.
17:15We wish we were that far along, but maybe in a few days we might be.
17:18In the meantime, we'll carry on and keep working on it.
17:21Alright, what's next?
17:22A little clean up?
17:23I think so.
17:24Clean up and then try again tomorrow.
17:25See what we can get done then.
17:26Awesome.
17:27Let's do it.
17:28Alright.
17:29Here in Asheville, there are two rivers, the Swannanoa and the French Broad, and each crested
17:37over 25 to 30 feet during a storm and took everything in their path.
17:43There are still hundreds of miles of public waterways that are littered with debris.
17:49With a job this big, FEMA called in the Army Corps of Engineers to head up the clean up.
17:55Governor Morgan, Kevin.
17:56Kevin, pleasure meeting you.
17:57Nice meeting you.
17:58Yeah, thanks for your time.
17:59Happy to do it.
18:00So give us a sense, I guess, let's start with sort of scope of mission.
18:04You know, how big of a clean up, how long, how many people?
18:07We're working in 14 different counties, five different towns, so all over western North Carolina.
18:13And roughly how many personnel, how many bodies sort of out there doing the work?
18:16So I've got about 250 Army Corps of Engineers, either military or civilians, that are out here.
18:22And we also have about 2,500 contractor personnel that are running the equipment, running the
18:27trucks, running the crews, actually doing the work.
18:30So we first started kind of with the right-of-way debris removal, so that's where we're asking
18:34people to push whatever the storm generated on their lot, push it out to the street.
18:38We've got the large grapple trucks rolling through, picking that up, clearing the streets,
18:42getting it out of their way.
18:43And what we're here now seeing is some of the waterway debris removal.
18:47And when you get to the waterways, like what type of debris are you pulling out of that?
18:50What's gotten into these rivers?
18:52You name it, we've probably pulled it out.
18:54I mean, from cars, tractor trailers, of course we're pulling out the remnants of somebody's home.
18:59Why so important to clean up the rivers?
19:01I mean, if I can't see it, why not just leave it?
19:03There's still potential hazards for, obviously if there's a vehicle in there, obviously that
19:07fuel tank has still got fuel in it.
19:09It's still got those oils and other hydraulic fluids within that.
19:13So obviously it's critical to get those out.
19:15And then again, it's to prevent any future impact.
19:18If there's any additional rain event or water event that may then take that hazardous debris
19:23and basically turn it into some type of impact further downstream, now it's going to take
19:28out a water intake or a sewer line or a bridge or things along those lines.
19:33And so I would imagine it's always a little bit harder to work in the water than it is on the roads?
19:37Very much so.
19:38I mean, you've got to handle the material multiple times, right?
19:41So you've got to get it out of the water, basically get it onto the bank.
19:44And then from the bank, then you've got to get into the truck.
19:46We've got a lot of temporary debris management sites where we'll then take that material,
19:50we'll segregate it and we'll pull out anything that's recyclable, we'll set that to the side.
19:54And then the construction and demolition material, that basically just gets shipped straight to a landfill.
19:59And then if there's any type of vegetative debris, what we're doing now is we've got large grinders at these debris management sites.
20:06So we're grinding a lot of that vegetative material down into mulch.
20:09So this looks like a pretty traditional excavator to me.
20:12Am I seeing that correctly?
20:13You are.
20:14The only thing different is we've basically taken off the oil-based hydraulic fluid.
20:18We replaced that with some biodegradable fluids to then make sure, you know,
20:22that's going to be a good piece of equipment to have there in the water.
20:25Every day each piece of equipment goes through a thorough review to make sure that there's no, you know,
20:29additional issues or leaks or anything before we put that equipment back in the water.
20:34But you guys deal with specialty equipment as well that sort of allows you to work in these conditions?
20:39Yes, sir.
20:40We have a lot of highly specialized logging equipment, equipment that's designed to get into swamps and marshy areas and harvest timber.
20:47And some have a specialized cutterhead so they can actually, you know, go after the timber, cut whatever cut,
20:53and then cut it to whatever length they need to cut it to.
20:56Lots to do.
20:57We're pushing hard.
20:58Yeah, good.
20:59Well, I appreciate your time very much.
21:00Yes, sir.
21:01We won't keep you from it, but thank you for that.
21:02Yeah, of course.
21:03Pleasure meeting you.
21:04Yeah, same here.
21:05Hey, Zach.
21:06Hey, Mark.
21:07Hey, Kev.
21:08How are you doing?
21:09Doing all right.
21:10Boy, this looks good.
21:11I love to see the progress.
21:12Yeah.
21:13How'd you guys make out inside?
21:14Yeah.
21:15Yeah.
21:16So, I'm sure you heard.
21:17Tree fell on the chimney, knocked a bunch of brick into the smoke chamber.
21:18Our task was to remove the brick, which we were successful in doing.
21:20So, I had a good day.
21:21All right.
21:22I love it.
21:23Zach, how about yourself?
21:24Really good.
21:25Hey, Zach.
21:27Hey, Mark.
21:28Hey, Kev.
21:29How are you doing?
21:30Doing all right.
21:31Boy, this looks good.
21:32I love to see the progress.
21:33How'd you guys make out inside?
21:34Yeah.
21:35So I'm sure you heard.
21:36Tree fell on the chimney, knocked a bunch of brick into the smoke chamber.
21:41Our task was to remove the brick, which we were successful in doing.
21:44So I had a good day.
21:45All right.
21:46I love it.
21:47Zach, how about yourself?
21:48Really good.
21:49James and the team, they had all the structural framing done, open concept now.
21:52They've got the subfloor down, so I think they're pretty much ready for roughing now.
21:55Good to hear.
21:56And we're making some good progress at Paul's as well.
21:58Siding's being taken care of.
21:59They're ready for roughing as well.
22:01And infrastructure work is getting done around town.
22:03I just spent some time with the Army Corps of Engineers.
22:05They're getting things cleaned up.
22:06As you guys know, you go downtown, businesses are back, businesses are open.
22:09Yeah.
22:10So I was able to buzz around a little bit.
22:12I saw a lot of that, which I was happy to see.
22:14So I think we're going well.
22:16Yeah.
22:17And every time I have a meal here, that's some of the best food I've had in weeks.
22:20Yeah.
22:21You okay being out of Jersey this long?
22:22No, I'm not.
22:23I'm pretty uncomfortable.
22:24All right.
22:25A lot.
22:26Well, Asheville is open for business and progress continues.
22:28And we'll be back working on it here next time.
22:30So until then, I'm Kevin O'Connor.
22:32I'm Mark McCullough.
22:33And I'm Zach Detmore.
22:34For This Old House down here in North Carolina.
22:36Next time on This Old House, we're visiting the largest privately owned estate in the country.
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23:00We took the old deck off and we discovered a little bit of rot here.
23:05Typical poorly flashed seal.
23:07Cool, man.
23:08Well, thanks for that, thank you.
23:09Thank you, Mark END.
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