00:00You describe yourself as working-class. Sakia, define working-class.
00:04Working-class is families that work for their living, earn their money through going out to work every day, not through other means.
00:16Don't middle-classes do that?
00:18Working-class families have the ordinary hope to get on in life.
00:25Don't middle-classes have that as well?
00:28Of course they do. Of course they do.
00:30So what's the distinction?
00:31I was addressing a particular thing, I think, with working-class families, which is this sense that...
00:40So I talked about the nagging voice that many families have, that this isn't for you, this isn't for me.
00:47And I think that holds people back.
00:49Because people will say to me, well, look here, you've come a long way.
00:54Yeah, but you're back to state school.
00:56Yeah, but that is the ordinary hope of the working-class, which is to have a decent education, to get a decent secure job, to get a car, to get a, you know, have a nice holiday, to have a house...
01:07But isn't that the middle-class too, Sakia? Everything you just listed? No?
01:10It is. Yeah, it is. And that's why many people go on their life journey from what you might call working-class to middle-class.
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