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00:00Hey, I hope you can all hear us. Alright, well hello everyone, thanks for joining

00:07us today. I know everyone is quite busy so we thank you for pausing to be here

00:12with us in the moment. Yeah, so today we will talk to you about our latest work.

00:18Yeah, we might just jump straight into it. Where to start? Yeah, I suppose the

00:26overall aim of our work is to explore and reflect upon life in the city today and

00:31how the many issues playing out here are reflective of bigger issues that we

00:39feel are important to confront. Yeah, the city is interesting for us. These days

00:45more than half of the planet's population lives in cities so whatever the future

00:50holds the way we will live tomorrow will largely depend on how city life is

00:56changing today. And how it will develop in times of global crises. Yeah. Yeah, so in

01:04our work we see the city as a place where it's possible to explore big issues like

01:10overwhelming issues like the climate crisis and pollution, migration, consumption, or

01:18when we find particularly interesting the changing boundaries between public and

01:24private lives. Yeah, they can they can definitely feel overwhelming but we want

01:29to explore such issues but also through our art we want to really you know act upon

01:34them. Yes, yeah, yeah we don't yeah we don't just only want to talk about it we also

01:40want to respond on these issues that's important we think. Yeah and so I guess it's

01:46good to explain some of our thinking around our work for us this really began in in virtual

01:52meetings such as yeah this one with in-person meetings sort of limited at the moment and cities

02:00have most recently kind of been less about being on the streets but it's been more virtually

02:06like yeah right now. So looking at people through our screens seeing them or yeah you in little rectangular boxes

02:15yeah this is our city. Yeah it's it's a city of big boxes that all together form a

02:23yeah a sort of cabinet of curiosities so rather than being a flaneur like in the city streets

02:29we feel like we've become digital flaneurs often we notice ourselves being distracted drifting away from

02:38conversations and like peering into the frame spaces of others and so we we go on these

02:46yeah sort of imaginary journeys yeah yeah imaginary journeys we often start to build an image of

02:53people based on what they do or yeah what they don't show yeah so I guess for example sometimes you

03:00might see a world map and you wonder you know has that person traveled across the globe or maybe it's just

03:06you know an easy decoration for them um yeah sometimes it's like something like a musical instrument

03:12um so you wonder perhaps as soon as our conversation ends with them you know are they grabbing that and

03:18serenading the entire apartment um or maybe it's something like yeah a bookcase yeah it's often like a very

03:26very impressive uh collection but can't help but thinking like um yeah have they actually read them all

03:34yeah but i it's also the the unplanned things yeah sometimes the virtual background glitches

03:41are revealing some like surprising details uh something steals the attention out of you

03:46or like a curious noise is heard yeah but then it's it's often never explained really we've got

03:52we've got no idea um but we found these imaginary journeys amongst the conversation just really

03:58hard to resist yeah and why do we find it like hard to resist um yeah perhaps it's just a curiosity to

04:07curiosity to connect more with other people yeah or you know perhaps it's just to momentarily escape from

04:14yeah the everyday um you know the mundane spaces um that we find ourselves in

04:29when looking at our screen into the private spaces of other people uh for me at least it feels somehow

04:35inappropriate that i'm sort of a voyeur yeah but at the same time we are also exhibiting ourselves i know

04:46i'm also on show so in that sense it feels like an even exchange yeah for me it feels um yeah that's wrong

04:57like away from the screen in dutch culture and spearing into private spaces it's like um yeah culturally

05:05quite acceptable uh quite acceptable perhaps even welcomed in a way um and what i mean by this is

05:11that often when you pass ground floor windows uh in the city they very rarely have curtains um yeah they

05:19are sort of um yeah naked naked windows yeah especially at night uh from the streets uh with the lit up

05:29interior you yeah you can see directly into the private and often like intimate uh spaces of people

05:38yeah people that you've never met and i think the curious thing for me is that there seems to be a

05:43certain expectation that people will look in your window so in many ways people prepare their spaces to

05:50put on a show uh they do have curtains but they kind of move to the side and it's more as a yeah more

05:58as a decoration yeah it's almost uh as if they are framing the room so it looks like a stage

06:05um yeah like a stage um yeah like a stage in a theater a mise-en-scene uh an arrangement of people

06:12and objects yeah and it's objects like flowers and there's sculptures and there's you know art and

06:19there's dolls and yeah there's uh yeah also ducks and um which all project a sense of who lives in that

06:29house and their personality and yeah what they value yeah it's quite an interesting way to connect with

06:36your community you can be a witness to yeah many different ways of living um and in the city especially

06:46there are so many scenarios that you see playing out yeah in in these interior scenes you might see

06:52a family and they're sitting cosily eating together or other times you might see someone laying on the

07:00couch and they're often in their underwear yeah you can help peer inside you peer in and sometimes your

07:08eyes meet if it's with uh with the family you might smile um and not or if it's with the person in their

07:15underwear yeah there's this like uncomfortable meeting of the eyes and you might quickly turn

07:22away yeah it does feel like you're intruding but still the the curtains stay open and they keep laying

07:30there yeah and you keep walking um yeah and the show goes on as you pass a new window a new scene

07:38yeah we find this uh negotiation and blurring of uh boundaries between public and private spaces

07:47as we observed in the city around us and also virtually uh to be fascinating yeah because i think

07:55often these spaces are usually more defined yeah and and the roles we play uh who we are uh differ in each

08:04yeah i think i think that typically in the city when we leave the front door we're entering the the theater

08:11of society where we're presenting ourselves on the the front stage and it's a certain version of us where

08:19we have everything under control uh we don't trip on the pavement we eat our food with uh yeah with poise

08:27our hair our hair looks great our fashion choices show thought and personality and yeah we try and just

08:35speak kindly to people i suppose and so while we mostly manage all of this it's sort of um yeah perhaps a

08:45bit stressful or something stressful to maintain uh the front states appearance so in many ways it feels like

08:53a relief to get home again to your front door to enter the backstage uh again yeah and and once the door

09:02closes behind you um your whole body just relaxes and you can finally let your guard down and you might

09:09change into clothes that are actually comfortable and you sprawl yourself out on on a chair yeah and this

09:16comfort comes uh from not feeling the pressure of being watched uh being expected to perform uh an

09:24audience will not intrude well yeah mostly but i think that we find um what we find interesting is to

09:33explore the moments where this separation of front um stage and then backstage becomes blurred so

09:41especially now as we encounter the world through our our screens yeah this camera invites outside like

09:48inside and along with that often it means uh we have to bring our uh front stage performance into our

09:56previously like private backstage areas yeah or at least create a nice create a nice little

10:03performance in this rectangle that that you're seeing now yeah and what's outside of the

10:09rectangle is probably not really that interesting yeah it's more that with a shrinking sense of

10:17private space where we are on show in previously backstage areas yeah i guess it just feels threatening in

10:26some way yeah so with our artwork then i guess we want to capture this tension that is happening while we

10:47renegotiate our public and private spaces yeah i think we also just want to question whether our private

10:53spaces are shrinking and is this a problem or is it a welcomed way to show our personalities further

11:01yeah it's not necessarily a problem but if you or we do have a problem with it uh what is the problem

11:09related uh to exactly are we trying to hide something but yeah i also think although we are talking a lot

11:17here about looking at other people uh in the end are we not really just focused on yeah ourselves yeah

11:25i suppose um yeah in the role of the flaneur uh we are curious about others but is this this curiosity

11:33not just more to compare and reflect on ourselves yeah i think i think so but i think we also are

11:40literally just looking at ourselves a lot more um during the video calls especially it's this constant

11:46negotiation of our actions um if i lean on my hand does this look like i'm really interested or just

11:53you know a bit sleepy and is it appropriate to have a bite of food um you know maybe if i slightly

12:00reposition my camera these bags under my eyes will hopefully disappear just a little bit yeah or if i'm

12:07lost thinking about what i'm going to make for dinner tonight is it too obvious i'm not really engaged

12:13perhaps if i just not at the right time yeah but you have to really make sure that you're not nodding

12:19too much yeah and so by the time you've considered these decisions often the meeting has come to an end

12:26but you'll likely yeah repeat this internal dialogue the next time yeah so it's worth considering is there

12:33even an issue with privacy here um and are we even interested in anyone else or are we just looking at

12:40ourselves a bit more uh intensely yeah i think that's something we'd really just like to explore in

12:46our work yes i think so but ultimately the focus for us um while there's this temptation to look at

12:53yourself we want to also um to suggest that it's not really useful right now no like we said at the

13:01beginning there is so much going on in the world um there are crises in the climate health economy

13:08a society global challenges yeah to just focus on yourself in the face of all this seems yeah yeah

13:16yeah self-centered yeah possibly yeah maybe it's ignorance yeah it's unproductive i'm not sure um yeah

13:28it doesn't seem very helpful no no and so i think to summarize with our art that's that's probably our main

13:34aim to create work that engages with issues outside of ourselves yeah exactly we want to focus on the

13:42bigger issues uh in society and this doesn't require us to be like front and center no and we want our

13:51work to speak for itself and that our work just isn't thinking about important issues but it's actually

13:58acting on them in in a really meaningful way yes yeah yeah action for us is just really important

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