00:18Genesis always was a hard act to follow, and I've always been aware of that. I think for all the guys in the band, that's been the case.
00:27Whether you have individual hits or whatever, there's always that sort of, it's a bit like the mothership, isn't it?
00:33When I write a song, I think, would this have passed muster with the other guys?
00:38Would Phil have liked it rhythmically? Would Tony have liked it harmonically?
00:43Would it have worked for Mike? Would it have worked with Pete lyrically?
00:48And you have all of that, but at the same time, of course, you want to do your own thing.
00:54And I just thought, yeah, I've really got to push the envelope harmonically with this.
01:00It's got to be as good as some of those things that I've listened to.
01:03It's got to be as good as Grieg. It's got to be as good as Tchaikovsky.
01:08You know, it's got to be as good as that first day when I worked with Phil in the rehearsal room with the band.
01:14He started playing me something. I said, sounds fantastic. And he said, oh, that's Ringo Starr's drum solo off of, what's the one, Abbey Road.
01:25And I always remembered that. And I thought, you know, I want to do something like that.
01:28That's a little bit like Keith Moon, isn't it? You know, so it's got the bass drum going, but it's like it's like doing fills all around that.
01:35So we had the Wolves at the beginning singing away and the frozen reverb note of that.
01:41So they hit a seventh and then then the drums come in and then it's band kicking in and the orchestra and choir and everything.
01:51and everything.
02:21Every time I've done an album, I've always thought, well, I need to get orchestral perspectives in here, but how do we enlarge everything?
02:29And even if you've got a real orchestra on it or you've got several people tracked up, it's quite hard to not have the orchestra impoverished by the group because groups make a big noise.
02:43But there's this area of marcato stuff where they're playing with the edge of the bow and reinforcing some of the bass things with brass so that it's not just the sort of the kind of definition of bass end that when you get a great bass player with a really extraordinary sound, like Chris Squire, who's on the album.
03:09There's this thing that orchestras, they have a more amorphous bass end.
03:16It's not dependent on great speakers and sharp definition.
03:21It's more than that.
03:23So I wanted to get that idea of infinite bass.
03:28So we stacked up a lot of that, you know, we have more than one thing playing basses, you know.
03:33I mean, I think on one track we had about 20 different things all doing bass.
03:39There's a lot of things on it that shouldn't really work.
03:42Orchestras with rock groups shouldn't really work, you know, because they're not supposed to be as percussing.
03:48And I wanted it to sound like an expanded rock band, but not just an expanded rock band that sounded like it had an orchestra with it, but also with world music instruments as well.
03:59So the Arabian ud, the didgeridoo, the deduk, the tar from Azerbaijan, all these various things that help to expand it a bit, you know.
04:08So, these chimes in the pop little things you could just make that big sc muse and land around the Erde at the backnen près.
04:11Well that's all about that and that's that's why look so excited for this, and that's where I just kinda do this thing, and then I am a viewer's 원.
04:18Working with these other instruments that I'm not familiar with,
04:45working with Malik Mansirov, who plays the tar.
04:50The tar, a small stringed instrument with sympathetic strings.
04:54Same family of instruments as the guitar and the sitar.
04:59And Malik, from Azerbaijan, where 50% of the people are still nomadic, I believe,
05:06he's a little bit like he's got the speed of John McLaughlin
05:10and in a way the mysticism of Ravi Shankar.
05:14He's incredible.
05:17And of course the other instruments that might be less familiar to people,
05:22the Arabian Ud.
05:24I bought that in London, it's a fretless lute.
05:27I learned to play it a little bit.
05:29I'm not the level of virtuoso on it that Malik is on the tar,
05:34but I took some things from him, the idea of playing on one string,
05:40more things on one string than you would normally do in sliding and so on.
05:45Dust and Dreams, that kicks off.
05:47Some of these world instruments, they often set the scene before the song starts.
05:53It's almost as if when Malik is playing on the beginning of Warflight,
05:57you've got almost like the flickering flames of a campfire.
06:02You know, the kind of music that they might have played at one time when they just sat around to entertain themselves.
06:09And I wanted to get an aspect of that, a little bit like different relay teams.
06:13So you've got the world music musicians, you've got the aspect of folk songs.
06:19So, you know, at times I wanted to delve back as far as Peter, Paul and Mary.
06:24I wanted to have that, but then I wanted to have rock as well, you know, the edge of that,
06:31and then whatever orchestra could do on top of that.
06:34It's my proudest moment, to be honest, you know, this album.
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