In an exclusive & explosive interview with senior most journalist Bharathi S Pradhan for Lehren Retro, veteran actress Padmini Kapila opens up on her film career, past relationships in Bollywood, co-star stories, marriage, family, Son (Krishna Kapila) & much more... Padmini talks about her relation & closeness with colleagues like Navin Nischol & Prakash Mehra in a never seen before blunt way. The versatile artist elaborates upon some professional mistakes in her cinematic career which she committed in early stages; in turn losing a number of big banner movies! Kapila also gets candid on her close bonding with legendary writer Salim Khan & the entire Salman Khan family during this candid chat. Watch this one of a kind podcast with us, as Intezar actress Padmini Kapila reveals all the celluloid secrets for Lehren Fans... #padminikapila #salmankhan #salimkhan #prakashmehra #navinnischol #lehren #krishnakapila #sohankapila #intezar #podcast #zeenataman #shabanaazmi #ranjeet #interview #rajeshkhanna #vinodkhanna #devanand #shashikapoor #jpdutta
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00:30In your life, Naveen was a distraction, Prakash Mayra was a distraction.
00:35These people have never helped you in your career.
00:39No help at all.
00:40You did not want to play Amitabh Bachchan's sister in Mukandar Ka Sikandar.
00:46But you did a small role in La Varas, where you were Ranjit's girlfriend.
00:53Bunny has nothing to do with you. It was because Rajesh Kanna was the wrong choice for row 7.
00:59Thank God, it's not my fault.
01:02I just feel, is there anything that you would like to tell that Padmini Kapila?
01:08Because there are a lot of young people in your area.
01:11See, if I rewind my life now, if I get a chance, I'll be more professional and I don't think I'll make the same mistakes.
01:23You just think, you're 17 years old and you've signed up from opposite Naveen Mishra.
01:29Jub, a big star.
01:30He was a very big star. And he was a ladies man.
01:34Very much.
01:35Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had a roving eye.
01:37Yeah. And you know, when I was doing Intazar, he used to sit behind the camera and watch.
01:43You are saying nothing happened between you and Salim Khan.
01:46No.
01:47I'll accept it.
01:49But did his family, Salman and all of them, did they feel that something happened?
01:54And are they still okay about it?
01:56You have to ask them, no.
02:13You know, I met you 50 years ago, in the 1970s, when you were Padmini Kapila, the new glamour girl.
02:26Oh my God, yes.
02:28Imagine 50 years.
02:30It's been 50 years.
02:32How did the time fly?
02:33In those days, Padmini Kapila, the new glamour girl, and you were very glamorous.
02:39But in Bharti, when I entered the industry, I didn't do a very glamorous role.
02:42You didn't, actually.
02:43Mohan Saigal, you know, in a sari and choti and all that.
02:46Intazar and all that, yes.
02:48After that, when I signed with Rajesh Khanna, that was the…
02:52Yes.
02:52Bond girl.
02:53The bikini.
02:54Bond girl.
02:55But after 15 years, I am meeting you as a glamorous grandmother to be.
03:02Oh, yes.
03:03You are going to become a grandmother.
03:06That is fantastic.
03:07Yeah.
03:07Please tell me what that feels like.
03:09I am so excited that I don't know how to express my feelings.
03:16I dream about the baby every night.
03:18Really?
03:19What he or she will look like.
03:20Right.
03:21We don't know whether it's a boy or a girl.
03:22Right.
03:23But I am really very excited.
03:26I can't even imagine you.
03:28But really, we were talking about Pam as a grandmother with a son who is married.
03:36You've got a daughter in the house who is a lawyer.
03:39She works for Hindustan Unilever.
03:43Okay.
03:44And…
03:45In the legal department.
03:46Yeah.
03:47Legal department.
03:48Okay.
03:49What fun.
03:50Life has changed completely.
03:51Yes.
03:52I know.
03:53But we have seen in the past 15 years, you had a few setbacks, you were a little unlucky in your career, a little unlucky in your love life.
04:00Very, very.
04:01In my career.
04:02But you know, in my career.
04:03But the balance of the balance comes from you, right?
04:08Because you are so happy with your personal life, with your son, your daughter-in-law.
04:13This is what I wanted.
04:14That's right.
04:15Yeah.
04:16I wanted to have a child and you know.
04:18Yeah.
04:19And he is adorable, my son.
04:21And my daughter-in-law.
04:22He is such a good-looking.
04:23I know.
04:24Okay.
04:25Good-looking boy you've got.
04:26You've met him?
04:27Krishna.
04:28Yes, I've met him.
04:29I met him at one of Salim Khan's previews which you and I attended.
04:34Oh, yes.
04:35Yeah.
04:36Yeah.
04:37And I think Salman Khan was working with tube light.
04:42He was working.
04:43That's right.
04:44Yeah.
04:45Isn't it?
04:46Yeah.
04:47Right.
04:48How many years have worked with Salman Khan?
04:50He was with them for almost 10 years.
04:52That's a long time.
04:53Right.
04:54Now he is a producer.
04:55Yeah, he wants to produce a film.
04:57Right.
04:58Right.
04:59So he wants to come to the film and nothing else.
05:01You know, I thought he was going to become a big businessman and all that.
05:05He wanted to do his MBA.
05:06Like his father.
05:07But suddenly, I don't know, he just said, no, I want to become a big businessman.
05:11No, I want to become a producer.
05:12Okay.
05:13And everybody said, no, this is the shock of acting.
05:16I said, no, he is not.
05:18He is not interested in modeling, acting, nothing.
05:21No, nothing.
05:22He looks the model type.
05:26But he is very shy and he is camera shy.
05:30He is camera shy.
05:31Unlike his mother.
05:33I would say that.
05:36When I said your career, you were unlucky in some places.
05:43Yeah.
05:44I missed out on a lot of good films, Bharti.
05:46I don't want to repeat it, you know.
05:47No, don't repeat it.
05:48Because it brings back.
05:49But I wanted to ask you, abhi, Padmini Kapila jho aaj hai, aap us Padmini Kapila ko kya advice deti?
05:57Would you have told her, abhi, Devanand ki film, mat karo, aap B.R. Chopra ki film karlo,
06:0236 ghande, aur ye mat karo, ki aap ne choose kiya.
06:07All the wrong films I chose.
06:09Yeah.
06:10Because I know that you have a choice.
06:12Bharti, the films are a game.
06:14The films I worked and didn't do well.
06:17And the ones I left.
06:19Begits.
06:20Correct.
06:21Correct.
06:22And this is also that Devanand has offered you at the same time when it was 34 ghande.
06:29And you did not do 36 ghande.
06:32And Parveen Babi did not do that.
06:34And then Devanand did not do that.
06:36Devanand did not do that.
06:37Devanand did not do that.
06:38Definitely.
06:39Yeah.
06:40For personal reasons.
06:41So I just feel, is there anything that you would like to tell that Padmini Kapila?
06:47Because there are a lot of young people in your place.
06:50See, if I rewind my life now, if I get a chance, I'll be more professional and I don't think I'll make the same mistakes.
07:03Choices shall we talk about?
07:04Choices shall we talk about?
07:05Yes.
07:06I mean, career choices.
07:07Because I think Mohan Saigal, who had a break in that time Mohan Saigal was a very big name.
07:16Yes.
07:17Because they had Savan Bhadop, which was a blockbuster film.
07:21And at night, Naveen Nishra and Rekha were stars.
07:25Yeah, big stars.
07:26So, after that, when they looked at the film and they signed you, everybody felt that you will also be the next Rekha and now you will go in the initial bracket.
07:37But that didn't happen, because they didn't have the film.
07:42Am I right?
07:43Right.
07:44Because they have been waiting for you.
07:46I have been waiting for you.
07:47I have been waiting for you.
07:48I have been waiting for you.
07:49I know, that's true.
07:50In fact, they also gave you some wrong advice, right?
07:54Because they said, don't do audition with Laila Majnu.
07:58Yeah, Laila Majnu, he said, you're already working, don't go.
08:02I said, okay.
08:03Heera Panna don't do, because Zenith is there.
08:06Okay.
08:07But Raki did it and Raki got a lot of acclaim.
08:11Because it was a good role.
08:13Very good.
08:14Of Devanand's ex-girlfriend, former girlfriend.
08:17That was a very good role.
08:19And Raki did it.
08:21Okay, he did it.
08:23So, is there anything else, like Devanand's film that you chose,
08:30So, ultimately, Banin Nahi Aakthasar.
08:33And I think Shabana got that role.
08:35Yeah.
08:36And then you said no to Chhattis Ghante and Parveen Babi took that and that did well for her.
08:42Even though that was also not such a big hit, but she did well in it.
08:46In another film, Ek Baar Pher, it was a small film by Vinod Pandey.
08:51And he was after me, please do this film, please do the film.
08:55I said, okay, but I read the script, there was one scene which was very, you know, very bold.
09:02So, I said, if you, I can't do this.
09:04Eventually, it was not there also in the film, you know.
09:07I took a ticket in black and took a picture.
09:10Ultimately.
09:11I said, let's see what it is.
09:13And I liked the film.
09:14Yeah, it was a good film.
09:16So, it was a path breaking film.
09:19Yeah.
09:20Yeah.
09:21That scene was a bit too bold, you know.
09:23The hero putting his hand on my, whatever.
09:26I said, no, I can't do it.
09:28So, there were inhibitions, you didn't want to do certain things.
09:32No, but at that time, you know, I was pretty young and I didn't want to do such a bold scene.
09:38Okay.
09:39You know.
09:40You were uncomfortable.
09:41Yeah.
09:42Okay.
09:43And as you said, that scene was not in the picture.
09:45Not in the picture.
09:46Just see.
09:47Yeah.
09:48But you must have missed out on quite a few opportunities, right?
09:52Plenty.
09:53Plenty.
09:54Plenty.
09:55Yeah.
09:56Yeah.
09:57Where the choices were wrong, you know, whatever.
09:59Because I also know that you did not want to play Amitabh Bachchan's sister.
10:03In Mokaddar Ka Sikaddar.
10:04In Mokaddar Ka Sikaddar.
10:06And then, but you did a small role in La Varas.
10:09Where you were Ranjit's girlfriend.
10:12Yeah.
10:13Where Amitabh Bachchan is calling you.
10:15Yeah.
10:16Listen.
10:17In that film, there were two roles.
10:19One was Preeti Saprooh.
10:21She did Behenki.
10:23Behenka role.
10:24So, I believe when they were shooting, Amit Ji told Prakash Mehra.
10:29He said, you call Padmani for this role.
10:31It's a very emotional role.
10:33And so he said, but if I tell her to do that role, she'll run away.
10:36Because she'll say, Behenka role.
10:38Yeah.
10:39You know.
10:40So, let her do that role.
10:41I regret it.
10:44Because, you know, such, in Kabhi Kabhi, can you imagine, it was a cameo role, which
10:49Mumtaz's niece did that role eventually.
10:52Yeah.
10:53Yeah.
10:54Nasreen.
10:55That role was offered to me.
10:56As you had offered.
10:57And I didn't do it.
10:58And you didn't do it.
10:59I said, so many people, you know, I made a lot of wrong choices.
11:04But why did you make these wrong choices?
11:06I don't know.
11:07Did somebody misguide you?
11:08Or was it your own?
11:10I think it was a blend of both.
11:15Okay.
11:16Galat advisor?
11:17Yeah.
11:18Aapki bhi soch.
11:19Okay.
11:20Okay.
11:21Because I would think, you come from a film family.
11:24Not really.
11:25Aapki pita ji bhi'st actor thai, or mummi bhi producer thi.
11:29Mummi became a producer, after I became an actor.
11:32She was a working person.
11:35She was an executive in one firm.
11:38And she was a very simple lady.
11:41Very simple.
11:42I remember her.
11:43Yes.
11:44A real sweetheart.
11:45I miss her a lot.
11:46She was very friendly with all your friends.
11:47Yeah.
11:48Used to cook naan to sab ati te ekhane.
11:50Yeah, used to cook naan to sab ati te ekhane.
11:51Correct, correct.
11:52Yeah.
11:53Aapki pita ji bhi socha aap film family se ho to,
11:55toh shayad aapko guidance achi mile ghe.
11:58See, when my dad was actually an actor,
12:01he worked in JP Datta's father's film,
12:04OP Datta's pilot officer.
12:07He was the hero.
12:08Yeah.
12:09Okay.
12:10And I found that booklet,
12:11and I sent it to JP,
12:12and he said,
12:13my God, where did you find this?
12:15Some fan said.
12:16Oh.
12:17And aap,
12:18I mean,
12:19barso baad aap 2000 me,
12:21jp datta ke saath refugee ki aapte.
12:24Yeah.
12:25Yeah.
12:26For a coincidence.
12:27Yeah.
12:28I mean, your dad worked with his father,
12:29and you worked with JP.
12:30Yeah.
12:31That's right.
12:32But that was the last time we saw you,
12:34no?
12:35After refugee ki aapte,
12:36aapko lekhai ni.
12:37You know,
12:38Bharti,
12:39what happened was that,
12:40when the film released,
12:41then there was one legal matter going on in Delhi.
12:45With your husband.
12:46Yeah.
12:47So, I had to make a choice.
12:48But you had to make a choice.
12:49You had to make a choice.
12:51It was against the family company.
12:54Oh.
12:55Not against my husband.
12:56Okay.
12:57We were on one side.
13:01So,
13:03I had to make a choice.
13:06Then I said,
13:07I have my son.
13:08You know,
13:09films ka,
13:10you're never sure what's going to happen.
13:12And you had to make a booming career.
13:14Yeah.
13:15Yeah.
13:16That's right.
13:17So, you,
13:18I mean,
13:19your attention shifted to that legal case.
13:21Yeah.
13:22In Delhi.
13:23Yeah.
13:24And,
13:25did you also make very wrong choices,
13:27when it came to men?
13:28Because you were always involved with the wrong person.
13:30Yeah.
13:33I have seen myself,
13:34I have seen myself,
13:35I have seen myself.
13:37I have seen you with Lameen Vishal,
13:39and I used to be appalled as to tell my friends,
13:42what is she doing with this married man?
13:44Because he was,
13:45we all knew he was married.
13:46He was very charming.
13:47He was very charming.
13:48He was very charming.
13:49We all of us thought he was very charming.
13:51So,
13:52you just think,
13:53you're 17 years old,
13:54and you've signed up from opposite,
13:55Naveen Nishtar.
13:56Jum,
13:57a big star.
13:58He was a very big star.
13:59And he was a ladies man.
14:02Very much.
14:03Yeah, yeah, yeah.
14:04He had a rolling eye.
14:05Yeah.
14:06And you know,
14:07when I was doing Intazar,
14:08he used to sit behind the camera and watch.
14:10So,
14:11what does one do?
14:12You know,
14:13you're too young actually.
14:14It's not love, love.
14:15You just get flattered.
14:16Yeah.
14:17I felt,
14:18oh,
14:19he's such a big star,
14:20and he's so much in awe of me,
14:21that he keeps watching me,
14:22and all that.
14:23So,
14:24it was that.
14:26Nothing else.
14:27No,
14:28but,
14:29it created ripples in his marriage.
14:31No,
14:32not really.
14:33Not only me.
14:34Okay,
14:35he was,
14:36yeah,
14:37you were not the only one.
14:38Yeah,
14:39he was actually,
14:40now he's not there,
14:41so one shouldn't talk about it,
14:42but he was involved with his friend's wife.
14:43Yeah.
14:44That was the turning point in their marriage.
14:46In their marriage.
14:47I was busy working,
14:49I was,
14:50you know,
14:51jahan kaam milta tha,
14:52I was working there.
14:53That's right,
14:54that's right,
14:55yeah.
14:56So,
14:57you were not the catalyst.
14:58No,
14:59no,
15:00not at all.
15:01So,
15:02don't blame me.
15:03Okay,
15:04I won't.
15:05I won't.
15:06I will not blame you for what happened to Sir Naveen Mitchell's marriage,
15:07but,
15:08I will say that you made wrong choices there also.
15:10Yeah,
15:11yeah,
15:12yeah.
15:13Because,
15:14you know,
15:15after that,
15:16I will tell you one thing,
15:17I don't regret anything.
15:18No,
15:19you shouldn't,
15:20because you learn from everything.
15:21Yeah,
15:22I don't regret it,
15:23yeah.
15:24You learn from everything,
15:25and that is what I wanted to actually,
15:26I was coming to.
15:27Today's Padmini Kapila,
15:28what do you say to Padmini?
15:29I would have been more professional,
15:30you know,
15:31I would have been more professional,
15:32and you know,
15:33I would have,
15:34would you have got involved,
15:35would you have,
15:36would you tell a girl,
15:37Padmini Kapila of that time,
15:38listen,
15:39listen,
15:40don't get involved with Prakashna.
15:41Exactly.
15:42You would have told her.
15:43Because,
15:44you know what he ultimately said to one of us,
15:46you know,
15:47I would have,
15:48would you have got involved,
15:49would you have,
15:50would you tell a girl,
15:51Padmini Kapila of that time,
15:53listen,
15:54don't get involved with Prakashna.
15:55Exactly.
15:56You would have told her.
15:57I would have.
15:58Because,
15:59you know,
16:00what he ultimately said to one of us.
16:03In those days,
16:04we were three or four people,
16:05who wrote.
16:06Yeah.
16:07And we met,
16:08and we met Prakashna.
16:09He said,
16:10wife is a wife,
16:12girlfriend is a girlfriend.
16:17So,
16:18you know,
16:19I don't know whether you read that,
16:20and you were hurt by it,
16:21or anything.
16:22Yes.
16:23But that was the article I read.
16:24Okay.
16:25And,
16:26that's the time I decided that.
16:28It's not going to work.
16:30No.
16:31I didn't want that kind of a life.
16:33Who would want it?
16:34I wanted to have a family,
16:36and that's when I left the industry also.
16:40So,
16:41today's Padmini Kapila will tell that Padmini Kapila,
16:44that don't make this mistake.
16:45Don't make this mistake completely.
16:46Don't make this mistake completely.
16:47Don't make this mistake completely.
16:48Don't make this mistake completely.
16:49But you know,
16:50the thing is that,
16:51you don't plan these things,
16:53that you're going to have an affair,
16:54or not going to have an affair,
16:55or not going to have an affair.
16:56Is he married?
16:57He's not married.
16:58What is his nature?
16:59That's true.
17:02Isn't it?
17:03That's true.
17:04That's true.
17:05You get involved,
17:06then you feel that…
17:07But you also learn lessons, right?
17:09Yeah.
17:10You learn lessons.
17:11Very bitter lessons.
17:12Yeah.
17:13Bitter, absolutely.
17:14But I don't think it's bitter,
17:15because I think everything is a learning experience.
17:17Yes, it is.
17:18Yeah.
17:19Yeah.
17:20That's true.
17:21That's true.
17:22That's true.
17:23But when you come out of it…
17:24But then, you know,
17:25on the rebound,
17:26whatever it is,
17:27I just wanted to get married,
17:28and settle down,
17:29and all that.
17:30So, how did you meet?
17:31Rishi, his name was?
17:32Rishi.
17:33Your husband's name.
17:34Yeah.
17:35That's his surname,
17:36but everybody used to call him Rishi.
17:37So, what was his name?
17:38Jitendra Kumar Rishi.
17:40J.K. Rishi.
17:41J.K. Rishi.
17:42That's why they used to call him Rishi.
17:43Ok.
17:44I didn't know Rishi, Rishi.
17:45Yes.
17:46J.K. Rishi.
17:47J.K. Rishi, Rishi,
17:48Rishi.
17:49J.K. Rishi,
17:50you're not a film person.
17:51J.K. at all?
17:52I can understand Naveen,
17:53I can understand Prakash,
17:55but he's not a cause.
17:56And he wasn't a very flamboyant guy,
17:57or, you know,
17:58he swept me off of my feet,
18:00or anything,
18:01or anything.
18:02J.K.
18:03J.K.
18:04Are you Kapoor Lamps?
18:05Yes.
18:06J.K.
18:07So, Rajan Kapoor,
18:08one of the owners.
18:09I knew him.
18:10I knew him. I had met him through Komila's brother, Kuldeep, in Delhi.
18:17So one day he called me up and he said that, Pam, my friend wants to set up a studio in Delhi. He has a factory. And video, the whole set up.
18:31I didn't have any knowledge, but I said, okay, I wanted to get out of here. So I had one production guy, he said that, I'll help.
18:41I said, okay, great. So we went to Delhi and all that. And then that, he was apparently in love with me.
18:55Oh, he saw you in the pictures. Okay. Okay. So that's why he wanted to meet you.
19:04Yeah. So he knew that I liked champagne. Whatever I liked, you know, he would, suddenly it would come in front of me.
19:12And I said, oh, wow. Okay. So that is how, I don't know.
19:17So that means that he did research on you.
19:20Yeah, that is the right thing. Okay.
19:25So Mr. Rishi, research on you and he would you. And you fell for it.
19:35Yeah. In short, yes. Yes.
19:41So that's what happened.
19:43You already produced a picture.
19:45Yeah, made meethazeher.
19:47And when I met Rishi,
19:49What was your direct?
19:50No, the second one, Mohabbat Ka Pegam.
19:53That is the time I met Rishi.
19:55Okay.
19:56And he helped me in completing the film.
19:59And after the film was complete, I got married.
20:03Okay.
20:04Okay.
20:05And after that, because the pictures, the pictures, the pictures, the pictures, the pictures.
20:08The first one was, you know, like, released all over.
20:12I sold every possible right I could.
20:14Okay.
20:15Okay.
20:16I call it a flop.
20:17And it was a very small film.
20:18Deepak and me.
20:19Deepak Prashar and me.
20:20Right.
20:21Correct.
20:22And the second one was with Meenakshi, Radbhabar, Aditya Pancholi, Shami Kapoor, and Ranjit.
20:27So it's a big film.
20:28So it's a big film.
20:29Bappi Lairi Music.
20:30Oh.
20:31And that, that is a film.
20:34Shashilal Nair was the director in that.
20:39And then he one day decided that, che edited reels he just rejected, threw out of the window.
20:46He says, I have to reshoot all this.
20:48My God.
20:49I said, I can't afford it.
20:50It's a small film.
20:51Correct.
20:52And I'm desperately trying to complete the film, you know.
20:55You just want to reject everything that you've shot.
20:58When I spoke to Salim Sahib, he was, in those days they were making Falak.
21:03Do you remember?
21:04Yes, I remember Falak.
21:05Nice film.
21:06Yes, yes.
21:07Jackie Shaw.
21:08Yes.
21:09So I told Salim Sahib, this is what he's doing.
21:12He said, okay, I'll see the film and I'll tell you.
21:15So he saw the film.
21:16He's saying, your storyline is complete.
21:19You only have to shoot the climax.
21:21Right.
21:22I said, that's what I'm saying.
21:24He's saying, will you be able to complete the film?
21:27I said, yes.
21:28So you stepped in as director?
21:29Yeah.
21:30And then there was one clause which she, you know, it was mentioned in the letter that within
21:37eight working days, I have to complete the film.
21:40Why?
21:41Otherwise, I would have to pay him and then, you know, like there would be legal problems.
21:46Whatever.
21:47Whatever.
21:48So I said, okay, I've said yes.
21:51Okay.
21:52And there were two songs left.
21:54And the climax and a couple of scenes.
21:57We shot day and night.
21:59You can't write this one shift.
22:01Correct.
22:02Correct.
22:03You can shoot as much as you want.
22:04Correct.
22:05So that's how I completed the film.
22:06Oh.
22:07So you completed the film in eight days?
22:08Yeah.
22:09Complete.
22:10Yeah.
22:11Filmed by Padmini.
22:12Directed by Padmini.
22:13Yeah.
22:14Okay.
22:15Okay.
22:16That's how I completed.
22:17And that's how you became a director?
22:18Yeah.
22:19Okay.
22:20So it's not like that you were a director of Sotsamaj.
22:23No, no, no.
22:24I was pushed into it.
22:25Circumstances.
22:26Yeah, absolutely.
22:27Okay.
22:28Okay.
22:29But was it a good experience?
22:30Did you feel like you didn't feel like you were a director of the film?
22:32No, I've written a script now, Bharti.
22:35And it's a very emotional story.
22:39Okay.
22:40So I don't want to talk much about it.
22:43But that was when you didn't want to be a director of the film?
22:45No.
22:46That was when I was released and then I just got out of Bombay.
22:49By then you had met him?
22:50Yeah.
22:51Met him.
22:52Yeah.
22:53And then I just wanted to have a child.
22:55I was very keen to have a child.
22:56Okay.
22:57Yeah.
22:58I mean, that's how many days in your mind, that I must have a child.
23:03Yeah.
23:04I want to be a mother.
23:05Yeah.
23:06So then, and my aunt is a doctor.
23:07She said, okay, this is the right time.
23:08Okay.
23:09Make a decision now.
23:10So I said, yes, I want to have a child and get married.
23:14And that was a little bit before.
23:16Yeah.
23:17Correct.
23:18Surrogacy.
23:19Yeah.
23:20Yeah.
23:21Exactly.
23:22And all that.
23:23Yeah.
23:24That's right.
23:25So you had your son Krishna in Singapore?
23:30No, in Bombay.
23:31Oh, in Bombay.
23:32Breach can be.
23:33Okay.
23:34So you did Singapore shift?
23:36After Krishna was born.
23:37Okay.
23:38Okay.
23:39Okay.
23:40So you didn't shift after marriage?
23:42Okay.
23:43You were in Bombay.
23:44Okay.
23:45And after Krishna was born, you went to Singapore.
23:48Okay.
23:49Then you had your full career pack up and gone.
23:52Yeah, yeah.
23:53Pack up.
23:54Okay.
23:55Okay.
23:56And then when that did not work out, that marriage did not work out very well, we went to Krishna.
24:02Correct?
24:03Okay.
24:04Was that tough?
24:05Yeah.
24:06Because, you know, I had visualized a very nice family life with maybe a couple of children
24:14and with my mom.
24:16Yeah.
24:17So I was a bit disappointed.
24:19That it didn't work?
24:20Yeah.
24:21It didn't work out.
24:22Yeah.
24:23Then I was so involved with Krishna's upbringing and I started working again.
24:28Yeah.
24:29What work did you do?
24:31I started a serial for Doodzarshan in which I lost a lot of money, whatever I had.
24:38Oh, my God.
24:39Okay.
24:40Then I said, now let me work.
24:43Then slowly, gradually, I started, you know, meeting a few people.
24:48And then I signed Refugee.
24:50Then I signed Diwane, Harry Baveja.
24:54Right.
24:55Then, one of Raman Naidu's films, Agha's with Anupam Kher.
25:01That's right.
25:02So I did about three, four movies.
25:03Yeah.
25:04Then again, the break came when I had to make a choice in Delhi to settle and fight the matter
25:10or continue with my films.
25:13Yeah.
25:14Correct.
25:15So you made the choice.
25:16Yeah.
25:17Yeah.
25:18I'm happy I did that.
25:19Yeah.
25:20I'm sure.
25:21And you were able to give time to Krishna now.
25:22That's the main thing.
25:23Yeah.
25:24Yeah.
25:25Krishna, my mom, and so they were my responsibility.
25:29Yeah.
25:30When did your mom pass away?
25:3121.
25:32She was such a part of your…
25:3321.
25:34Okay, 4 years.
25:35Covid time.
25:36Really?
25:37Yeah.
25:38Yeah.
25:39Okay.
25:40That was very sad.
25:41That was sad.
25:42Yeah.
25:43That must have left to human direction.
25:44Otherwise, she was like my pillar, you know.
25:45Correct.
25:46So both of us together, like if I… we used to discuss and I used to talk to her and tell
25:51her that this is it.
25:52So she said, okay, you don't have to sacrifice your life.
25:55You don't get along, you don't get along.
25:57Correct.
25:58Correct.
25:59Which is fine.
26:00Yeah.
26:01But tell me, you were lucky because your mother was there to take care of Krishna with you,
26:06isn't it?
26:07Absolutely.
26:08Yes.
26:09Yes.
26:10So you were not alone in bringing up Krishna.
26:11No.
26:12Your mommy was also there.
26:13Yeah.
26:14So…
26:15You know, Bhagawan has balanced everything.
26:18I have been very lucky that way.
26:20But my life has been like a rollercoaster.
26:22Yes.
26:23Absolutely.
26:24Yeah.
26:25But no regrets.
26:26I think that the day I die, I will not have any regrets that I didn't see this,
26:32he didn't do it, he didn't do it, he didn't do it, he didn't do it,
26:34everything did.
26:35Yes.
26:36That's true.
26:37That's true.
26:38That's true.
26:39Yes.
26:40Although I feel that where you are today, aap kaafi kuch aapne sikh liya hai aur sikhha sakti hai.
26:46Haan, haan, sikhha sakti ho na.
26:48Yes.
26:49Kaafi logon ka aap sikhha sakti hai.
26:50Yeah.
26:51Tell me, aapne Salim Khan ka naam liya, he helped you bring a, to complete that film.
26:56My film, yeah.
26:57Your film.
26:58But you got involved with Salim Khan there, na?
27:00No, no, no.
27:01I'm not involved.
27:02I can't…
27:03I can't…
27:04I can't…
27:05I can't…
27:06This is not the case at that time. We have heard a lot about you and Pamela's family.
27:14Did you know what he answered?
27:17He said, if I had no response to this girl, then I am an idiot.
27:24So he didn't deny it.
27:26He is a dialogue writer, so he says all that.
27:29He didn't deny it. And at that time, you didn't deny it.
27:34What is it to deny when there is nothing?
27:37Okay.
27:39No, he always said that to being that, you know, with your looks and all, you could have really been on the top.
27:45I don't know what went wrong. Then it has to be destiny.
27:48Yes.
27:49You know?
27:50Sometimes you can't practice.
27:51So I said, yes, then what do we do?
27:53If it wasn't in luck, then it didn't happen.
27:55The story of Prem.
27:56Imagine, my clothes are stitched, everything is ready.
28:00And last minute, Mumtaz gets that move.
28:03It's true, right?
28:04Yeah.
28:05That is luck, right?
28:06It is.
28:07It is.
28:08Yeah.
28:09And somewhere, like you said, it's a mixture of luck and the choice.
28:14Yeah, wrong choice.
28:15Yeah, I don't blame luck only for everything.
28:18But I have made a lot of wrong choices.
28:21What would you have liked to have set right in your career?
28:26See, I got distracted initially.
28:29I also felt that.
28:30That was wrong.
28:31I also felt that.
28:32That was wrong.
28:33Because in those days, she was saying that she is not serious about her work, she is getting distracted.
28:39Yeah.
28:40You know?
28:41So I think, yes.
28:43Now when I look back, I think I did get a bit distracted.
28:48You didn't give up on your career.
28:50Yeah.
28:51And then they were, you know, at that time, I don't want to mention any names, but then people were totally like, even if…
29:01No, you had Veenat Aman, you had Shabana, they were all very career-oriented.
29:05Absolutely.
29:06Even the guy, their friends and all, like professionally, they were very strong together with them.
29:13In my case, I didn't get that.
29:16But they, all their heroes used to recommend them and you know.
29:21Yeah.
29:22Here on the contrary, I don't think Naveen helped your career in any way.
29:28In any way.
29:29That's what I'm telling you.
29:30Yeah.
29:31So I was unlucky.
29:32And even Prakash Mairav, you may say he was a nice guy and all that.
29:37But they didn't have any role in which you became a career.
29:42He also did not give you the best.
29:45I realized that, that he said somebody, he was discussing with somebody,
29:53that if you want a big film, you'll get out of your hand.
29:58Oh.
29:59And that hurt me a lot.
30:01Towards the end, I was very hurt, you know.
30:03Yeah.
30:04You can't talk like that about a girl.
30:05You can't talk like that.
30:06And what's going on with the hand?
30:07Exactly.
30:08There's a saying, no, that if you have a bird, open the cage.
30:13If the bird goes, it's not yours.
30:16And if it comes back, it's yours.
30:18Yeah.
30:19So I mean, you have that kind of an attitude.
30:21And that I got to know much later.
30:24That's the idea.
30:25By then it was too late.
30:27I didn't understand.
30:28Because I know that some of the girls that you mentioned, or I mentioned,
30:33they were very professional in their friendships.
30:37They did not come in the way of their career.
30:40Even that was professional.
30:42Everything was professional.
30:43Exactly.
30:44But in your life, Naveen was a distraction.
30:47Yeah, yeah.
30:48Prakash Mehra was a distraction.
30:49Yeah, yeah.
30:50These people have never helped you in your career.
30:52No, no.
30:53No help at all.
30:54Yeah.
30:55So I think that is where it went wrong.
30:57You know, Gunguru, you remember that film, right?
31:01Yes, the film, right?
31:02The film, right?
31:03Yes, the film.
31:04Sorry.
31:05Shashi Kapoor.
31:06Shashi Ji's Vibes role.
31:07Yeah.
31:08The role of Princess.
31:09Yeah.
31:10When that film was made, it was in Delhi.
31:14So after the premiere, Ranjit Kohli, he's a very sweet guy.
31:19Yeah, very nice guy.
31:20Very, very sweet.
31:21So he said,
31:22I'm very hungry.
31:24Let's eat something.
31:26So everybody got a car.
31:27Two artists got one car in those days.
31:29So fine.
31:30Both of us got one car.
31:31We went to a Bengali market to have khana.
31:35So Goli said,
31:37What are you expecting from Gunguru?
31:38He's asking me.
31:39So I said,
31:41I don't know.
31:43You tell me.
31:44You know.
31:45He's saying,
31:46You will get some vampish roles.
31:50You become a producer.
31:56He's the one who…
31:57Goli told you.
31:58Yeah.
31:59Bluntly.
32:00And we used to talk very.
32:01He's a very sweet person.
32:02He had no ulterior motives.
32:05Exactly.
32:06So he said that nothing is going to happen.
32:08You become a producer.
32:10Okay.
32:11And that is the time I started thinking and I said,
32:14Okay.
32:15Then I planned Mitha Zair.
32:17Against a lot of odds.
32:18Yeah.
32:19I can remember.
32:20Everybody said,
32:21How will you make the film?
32:22Do you have money to make the film?
32:24Do this, this, that.
32:25So I said,
32:26People have come sweeping floors and all.
32:28They've become producers.
32:29Yeah.
32:30Yeah.
32:31So I said,
32:32I will do something.
32:33Correct.
32:34And I somehow completed that film.
32:36That's right.
32:37Yeah.
32:38Yeah.
32:39But you know, I'm just wondering,
32:42You were going to be the Bond girl.
32:45Yeah.
32:46I was Rajesh Khanna,
32:47because I was very close to Rajesh Khanna.
32:49And I remember when she was made,
32:51007?
32:52Yeah, 007.
32:53007 with you.
32:54007 with you.
32:55And you were supposed to be the Bond girl,
32:56a bikini pen.
32:57Yeah, yeah, yeah.
32:58Naturally it's a glamorous role and all that.
33:00And you were slim and very good looking and all that.
33:02You still are.
33:03Oh, thank you.
33:05Yeah.
33:06And at that time I remember,
33:07I know you did a bit of shooting for that film.
33:10Yeah.
33:11007.
33:12007.
33:13007.
33:14007.
33:15007.
33:16007.
33:17007.
33:18007.
33:19007.
33:20007.
33:21007.
33:22007.
33:23007.
33:24007.
33:25007.
33:26007.
33:27007.
33:28007.
33:29007.
33:30007.
33:31007.
33:32007.
33:33007.
33:34007.
33:35007.
34:01He didn't have the physique of a Bond, James Bond, and you know that.
34:04He didn't have, he was a romantic kid, you know.
34:06So actually, he should not have even tried that James Bond.
34:10And that's where you went.
34:13I've been very unlucky, I'm telling you.
34:16I know. And you were all set up.
34:19Yeah. So actually, that bunny knight had nothing to do with you.
34:24It was because Rajesh Karna was the wrong choice for row 7.
34:28Thank God, it's not my fault.
34:30It had nothing to do with you.
34:31It was just one more instance of bad luck, that's it.
34:34But if the film was made,
34:36I don't know anything.
34:39We never know.
34:41Anyway, now we know.
34:42Yeah, we will never know.
34:44Is there any film that, which you missed out,
34:49and which you wish you had done?
34:51All these, no? All these.
34:54First of all, Hirapanna, he should have done.
34:57Raki.
34:58Then I would have done two, three movies with Devsah.
35:01Devsah.
35:02You know?
35:03Yeah.
35:04And...
35:08So many.
35:09But what was...
35:10What was Zenith Aman scared of?
35:12Ask her.
35:13I don't know.
35:15Because it's, you know, I don't know.
35:19I don't know.
35:20Insecurities of the girlfriend, I suppose.
35:22Yeah, because Devsah was quite...
35:25He used to call me Pammi.
35:27Never Padmini.
35:28Pammi.
35:29Yeah.
35:30And the same character's name is Pammi.
35:33Shabana is called Pammi in the film.
35:35Pammi in the film.
35:36I felt very flattered.
35:37Let's go.
35:38My name is...
35:39Yeah.
35:40So, I don't know.
35:41He used to keep saying that, oh, you're so tall, you're so glamorous.
35:44Why did you do this intazar and all that?
35:46That's not your film.
35:47You like yourself?
35:48He used to ask me.
35:49I said, yeah.
35:50He's saying, no.
35:52This is not what...
35:53You should not be introduced in such...
35:55Exactly.
35:56With your looks and your height and all.
35:57Exactly.
35:58So, I guess...
35:59I don't know.
36:00Maybe he mentioned that to her and she said, no.
36:02I think...
36:03Keep her away or whatever.
36:05Do I like Zenith?
36:06Oh, yeah, yeah.
36:07She's a nice person.
36:08She's an extremely nice person.
36:10Yeah, yeah.
36:11I like her.
36:12That's true.
36:13So, tell me today, when you look at yourself,
36:16how happy are you on a scale of 10?
36:25Very difficult.
36:28But, you know, I have...
36:31Seven.
36:32Yeah, seven is okay, yeah.
36:34I was going to say eight.
36:36That's even better.
36:37Better, yeah.
36:38But now...
36:39It's okay.
36:40Because at this stage, what does one want?
36:42You don't look at the past.
36:44You look at what you want.
36:45Yeah, yeah.
36:46Right now.
36:47You have a great son.
36:48You have a great daughter-in-law.
36:50You're going to be a grandmother.
36:51Yeah.
36:52You have a happy home.
36:53I have a happy home.
36:54And, you know, your son is going to be a producer.
36:56You have a script.
36:57You have a script.
36:58And you're going to, you know, you're going to make movies.
37:00Hopefully, yeah.
37:01Hopefully, yeah.
37:02At this age, what do you want?
37:03At this stage of one's life, what do you want?
37:05Yeah.
37:06If I see, I don't have Bangla, I don't have Rolls Royce.
37:09I don't have that.
37:10But other than that...
37:11Aircraft, there's no end to it.
37:14So, that way, then, I'll become lucky.
37:18Yeah.
37:19But otherwise, I have everything.
37:21Yeah.
37:22Because there's no point in now, looking and saying,
37:25I haven't done that film.
37:26Yeah.
37:27That's true.
37:28That's true.
37:29Yeah.
37:30That didn't work out.
37:31That relationship didn't work out.
37:32Okay.
37:33Okay.
37:34That thing do I enjoy, no?
37:35Exactly.
37:36Exactly.
37:37Why be a hypocrite?
37:38Absolutely.
37:39I was having a good time, and then I didn't realize that in the long run,
37:42it's going to harm me.
37:43That's right.
37:44Yeah.
37:45You know?
37:46I was not conniving.
37:47You were not.
37:48I was not conniving.
37:49You were very open.
37:50Very open.
37:51Yeah.
37:52I think to a certain extent,
37:53that we are, Nabi,
37:54we haven't done that with you.
37:56Okay.
37:57Yeah.
37:58Now, let's do it.
37:59Yeah.
38:00Because I feel,
38:01we were the 70s, 80s journalists,
38:03we were the magazines,
38:05we had a lot of attention on your relationships.
38:09Yeah.
38:10I feel that I only do an affair,
38:12I don't do a job.
38:14So, you know,
38:15the attention was more and less on your work.
38:19Yeah.
38:20So, you are also a cultural.
38:21Yes.
38:22I have also contributed,
38:23me and my gang,
38:25we have contributed.
38:27Devyani, no?
38:28Devyani.
38:29Yeah.
38:30I don't know why she didn't like me,
38:31because she was very possessive about Kaka.
38:34Kaka, yes.
38:35Yes.
38:36So, I think she didn't like me.
38:37But you know, no regrets.
38:38I tell you about me.
38:39Why should you have?
38:40Why should you have?
38:41Yes.
38:42If anyone has done me wrong,
38:44now if I meet them,
38:45I enjoy meeting my old friends,
38:48friends and enemies both.
38:49Absolutely.
38:50Yeah.
38:51Enemies too.
38:52Yeah.
38:53Enemies too.
38:54So,
38:55you have done me wrong.
38:56Yes.
38:57Yes.
38:58Yes.
38:59Yes.
39:00Yes.
39:01Yes.
39:02Yes.
39:03Yes.
39:04So,
39:05life was nothing to complain.
39:08You are saying nothing happened between you and Salim Khan.
39:12No.
39:13I'll accept it.
39:15But did his family, Salman and all of them,
39:18did they feel that something happened?
39:20And are they still okay about it?
39:21You have to ask them?
39:22No.
39:23But when you meet them,
39:24they're all okay about it.
39:25See, Salman met him when he was not even,
39:28he had not even signed his first film.
39:30First film.
39:31Yeah.
39:32I know him since then.
39:33So,
39:34we are at a very happy space right now.
39:36Yes.
39:37It's seven or eight or ten just now.
39:39Correct?
39:40Seven,
39:41seven, eight.
39:42It's a good rating just now.
39:44Yeah.
39:45And what are you looking forward to,
39:47apart from becoming a grandmother?
39:49Oh,
39:50I'm waiting to see my grandkid.
39:52That is my first thing.
39:53Priority.
39:54And then secondly,
39:55first priority.
39:56And secondly,
39:57I want Krishna to,
39:59you know,
40:00start his movie and do well.
40:03That's right.
40:04Yeah.
40:05Is it Salim Khan and Salman's hand?
40:08No.
40:09Look, Salim,
40:10now I don't think he is that active anymore.
40:13He's done his bit.
40:15And now he's,
40:16he did help at that time,
40:18you know, completing.
40:19Otherwise, I would not be able to release that film.
40:21Correct.
40:22So,
40:23he helped me there.
40:24And even after that,
40:25he's always been so nice,
40:27and he's been very helpful.
40:29Oh,
40:30you come to your home,
40:31in your wardies,
40:32and in your functions.
40:33Yeah, yeah.
40:34He comes.
40:35Whenever I call him,
40:36he'll say,
40:37when do you come?
40:38And he's the first one to arrive.
40:39He's very sweet that way.
40:41Very sweet.
40:42And very caring,
40:43even about Krishna,
40:44you know,
40:45what is Krishna doing?
40:46Who did he get?
40:47What did he do?
40:48You know,
40:49that way.
40:50What was,
40:52what is your relationship,
40:53and what is Krishna's relationship with Salman?
40:56Salman is a sweetheart.
40:58But you see,
40:59now he's become so busy,
41:01and when you know somebody,
41:03when he was nothing,
41:04and,
41:05you know him as a child,
41:07and suddenly,
41:08he's such a big star,
41:09that,
41:10you know,
41:11you don't want to.
41:15I don't want to do all that.
41:17So,
41:18very good.
41:19He was good with Krishna.
41:20He used to say,
41:21you're my younger brother,
41:22you know,
41:23very sweet.
41:24What are you doing,
41:25and things like that.
41:26But,
41:27that's it.
41:28Okay.
41:29Yeah.
41:30Nothing.
41:31So, Krishna is completely on his own.
41:32On his own.
41:33Okay.
41:34And,
41:35your dream is,
41:37it is that,
41:38Krishna will become a big producer,
41:40and you will be also a part of it.
41:42Yeah, of course.
41:43I'll be there.
41:44Okay.
41:45Alright.
41:46And that's going,
41:47that is your big dream for now.
41:48My first production,
41:49his production is the baby.
41:50The baby.
41:51Yes.
41:52I'm dying to see the little one.
41:53Yes.
41:54We're all waiting to see.
41:55Glamorous grandmother.
41:57Yeah.
41:58Yeah.
41:59But,
42:00you're looking very nice,
42:01you know.
42:02Am I?
42:03Yes, you are.
42:05You made my day.
42:06You're looking nice.
42:07Thanks.
42:08I feel,
42:09in your career,
42:10you started doing character roles very quickly.
42:14You gave up very easily.
42:17I didn't have any backing.
42:20I didn't think.
42:21Even Intazar,
42:22it was not a heroine's role,
42:24you know what I mean?
42:25Yeah, yeah, yeah.
42:26He said,
42:27you like yourself?
42:31You know,
42:32that was his expression.
42:33Yeah.
42:34So, I said,
42:35yeah.
42:36Because,
42:37Rekha was presented in Savan Bhadu,
42:38as a real chatpati girl.
42:40Yeah, yeah, yeah.
42:41That's his role.
42:42How could he give a new girl a role like this?
42:47Yeah.
42:48And the title,
42:49my God,
42:50till today,
42:51I was doing Intazar Ki Koi Acha Rol Mele.
42:53Abhi tak.
42:54I know,
42:55that's true.
42:56So, now,
42:57Intazar Ka time is over.
42:59Oh,
43:00it was good.
43:01Everything was good.
43:02And now,
43:03you're going to have a fantastic time,
43:05as a grandmother,
43:06and as a producer.
43:08Producer.
43:09Hopefully.
43:10Yeah.
43:11I met a couple of astrologers,
43:13and they said,
43:14very successful,
43:15but late in life.
43:16I said,
43:17how late?
43:18It's time to go now.
43:19And they said,
43:20no, no, wait.
43:21So, success is around the corner.
43:23Hopefully.
43:24Great.
43:25Hopefully.
43:26Congratulations,
43:27and we can't wait to have you back on the scene.
43:29In a new avatar,
43:30as a producer,
43:31and as a writer.
43:32So lovely catching up with you Pam.
43:35Same here.
43:36And all the ways to Krishna.
43:38Yes.
43:39For the baby,
43:40and for his production.
43:41Yeah.
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