- 23 hours ago
I recorded this once the fringe's rally ended, since the lady was the only one left and I assumed she wouldn't turn on anyone. She seemed okay until she flipped and went irrational on us all (I was there to document everything as I always do).
She accused the group (including myself) of being paid to be there, that we were all violent towards others (not at all), that we were *lizard people* (snakes!), holding her hostage (what?), surrounding her (again, what?) and telling her to go home (none of us told her that), then made a few false accusations (which i forgot to record!), kept changing the subject and distracting from the questions (topics) being asked ,multiple times (a fairly common tactic).
We pretty much stayed civil, and we mocked her until she finally chose to leave on her own accord. Thing is, the delusional fringe doesn't trust anyone, fears everybody irrationally (anyone who isn't the fringe that is, from experience as an ex) attacks with accusations and cannot even support their claims.
She accused the group (including myself) of being paid to be there, that we were all violent towards others (not at all), that we were *lizard people* (snakes!), holding her hostage (what?), surrounding her (again, what?) and telling her to go home (none of us told her that), then made a few false accusations (which i forgot to record!), kept changing the subject and distracting from the questions (topics) being asked ,multiple times (a fairly common tactic).
We pretty much stayed civil, and we mocked her until she finally chose to leave on her own accord. Thing is, the delusional fringe doesn't trust anyone, fears everybody irrationally (anyone who isn't the fringe that is, from experience as an ex) attacks with accusations and cannot even support their claims.
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00:00We are all animals.
00:02We are all animals.
00:04We are all animals.
00:06If you don't even see me as a human being.
00:08You are mammals.
00:10We are mammals.
00:12We are mammals.
00:14We are mammals.
00:18You wouldn't mutilate your genitals.
00:22You wouldn't do those things to animals.
00:24But you want to do it to human beings.
00:26What? I didn't get that.
00:30You guys want to participate.
00:32But you don't want to participate right up front.
00:34You want to stand behind it.
00:36You want to do these cowardly actions.
00:38As if you are entitled to it.
00:40As if you are somehow self-righteous.
00:42So last time.
00:44You want to stand behind it.
00:46I actually did.
00:48I ended up sitting down with them.
00:50Okay. So how?
00:52I don't know whether.
00:54Because we want to engage.
00:56So are you engaging?
00:58Or are you just go?
01:00But we decided not to go to a person.
01:02Well if you are involved.
01:04If we are having a conversation.
01:06You have to talk to people.
01:08I mean like if we don't talk to people.
01:10Then it just becomes.
01:12I don't have to say something like this.
01:14We are all good.
01:16Do you want to join the conversation?
01:18Or do you want to stand behind me?
01:20So sorry.
01:21It's my conversation with you.
01:22And apparently your camera.
01:24They are sitting.
01:25Well I'm reporting evidence.
01:26I don't use social media.
01:27I'm reporting evidence.
01:28Evidence.
01:29So evidence of what?
01:30Of the behavior that's going on.
01:31Are they allowed to sit down?
01:33And then it escalates.
01:35Do you feel your physical space is threatened?
01:38Do you need a safe space?
01:39No I don't.
01:40Okay.
01:41Stop it.
01:42But I don't like people standing behind me.
01:43Because we respect safe spaces.
01:44While I'm distracted with one of the people.
01:45You're part of the group.
01:46Correct?
01:47I'm here on my own.
01:48You're distracting me.
01:49And they're standing behind me.
01:51I'm trying to talk to you.
01:52And you still haven't answered.
01:54So are you saying this is a violent thing?
01:56No.
01:57I'm saying that I'm suspicious of you.
01:59That's what I'm saying.
02:00So you're stereotyping.
02:01I'm saying that you're being actually suspicious.
02:03Because you want to participate in this.
02:05That's what the fringe entails.
02:07Distrust.
02:08Distrust, suspicion, everything.
02:10You have two backs.
02:11How can I know there's no guns in here?
02:12Yeah.
02:13I can also feel threatened by you.
02:14Just as much as you.
02:15Just as much as you.
02:16Well you know I've been trying to talk to you.
02:17And you just keep on trying to move away from the question I asked you originally.
02:31I'm not trying to move away from anything.
02:32Okay.
02:33So you still haven't answered my first question.
02:35Why are your friends?
02:36You need to stand behind me.
02:37Why can't they join the conversation?
02:39Why can't they stand behind me?
02:40It's like you said.
02:41Are you telling them where they should stand?
02:44Are you telling them where they should stand?
02:45Well are they involved or are they not?
02:47Why do they have to stand?
02:48They're sitting down.
02:49So let me tell you something.
02:50There are a large number of groups that are against what you guys stand for.
02:56No I'm not.
02:57You brought up my safety.
02:58I said I'm not bothered by his tone.
03:00What does bother me, to answer your question, is people standing behind me.
03:04They're obviously involved in this.
03:05They're on this side.
03:06So why are they standing behind me and not behind me?
03:10So what side do you think I'm on?
03:13You're on their side obviously.
03:14What do you think I stand for?
03:16This thing's written on your side.
03:18Okay what do you think this means?
03:19This thing's written on their side.
03:20I don't really care what it means.
03:22Okay so if you don't know what the other side is for, why are you at a protest?
03:30I wasn't at a protest.
03:31You guys were at a protest.
03:33So we were at a counter protest.
03:34I was at an event.
03:35Yeah.
03:36Okay so tell me about the event you were attending.
03:38Why are they not standing behind you?
03:40Why do they have to stand behind me?
03:42Tell me about the event that you were at.
03:44It was called Let Kids Be Kids.
03:46Okay and what do they stand for?
03:47When do you have a problem with that?
03:49I'm curious.
03:50I'm asking you a question.
03:51It stands for what it stands for.
03:53Let kids be kids.
03:54Okay.
03:55And do you think that I am against that?
03:57Let kids be trans?
03:58Is that what Let Kids Be Kids could mean?
03:59Right?
04:00It could mean.
04:01Let kids be whatever they want to be.
04:02Having elective surgery is not letting them be.
04:04Okay so here's...
04:05I'm not talking about elective surgery.
04:07I didn't say elective surgery.
04:08I didn't say elective surgery.
04:09I didn't say elective surgery.
04:10That is not letting them be.
04:11So here's a question.
04:12Have you looked at the organizers and some of the other people that are part of the groups
04:17in the event that you organized?
04:18Let them play.
04:19No, but I did look at the background of your events.
04:22Okay.
04:23Tell me about the background of my events.
04:24And I've been watching when you guys commit violent attacks against people.
04:26And I watch when you celebrate someone getting murdered.
04:29I watch when you do degenerate events.
04:31So who did we celebrate getting murdered?
04:33You celebrate murder and you're a degenerate.
04:36I don't care what you're doing.
04:37Oh I didn't see anyone get murdered here.
04:39I didn't see the EMS!
04:42I'll point you to one.
04:43I'll point you to one.
04:44I'll point you to one.
04:45I'll point you to one.
04:46Are you hot?
04:47I don't know.
04:48But this is...
04:49Yeah I feel threatened now.
04:50I...
04:51She's fringe.
04:52She's from the fringe.
04:53A decentralized cult.
04:54It's the influence.
04:56I'm an ex, so...
04:58I'm really scared right now.
05:00The long time ex.
05:02I express that I don't let you guys
05:04stand behind me when you're with this guy,
05:06and you're not standing behind him.
05:08There's obviously a reason why...
05:10Okay, so we've established
05:12that there are two groups there with me.
05:14Can you tell me about the people that you were with?
05:16They weren't behind you.
05:18Try to be polite.
05:20So you're on their side?
05:22You're pretending that you're not on their side,
05:24and then you defend them everything that they do.
05:26I'm not on anyone's side.
05:28You are on their side. You're playing games.
05:30You're playing games, and I don't care about your games.
05:32You're not fooling me.
05:34You have not been fooling me from the moment you started talking to me.
05:36I'm not fooling you, and I'm not playing with you.
05:38Don't play with me.
05:40I think you're fooling yourself is part of the problem.
05:42No, you're fooling yourself.
05:44I don't care about you enough to fool you.
05:46I don't care about you enough to fool you.
05:48What job would that be good for me?
05:50Are you in charge of anything?
05:52Do you make a decision here?
05:54Do you have power here?
05:56No, you don't have power here.
05:58If you love to fool, you're not going to tell me that you love to fool.
06:00Obviously.
06:02I'm dealing with a whole gang of people.
06:06And I'm trying to show you that I'm not afraid of you.
06:10All behind you is open.
06:12And the lady doesn't show her password when she's wearing a dress, by the way.
06:14And the police who can protect and make sure there's no violence.
06:16There's police here.
06:18There's no violence happening.
06:19Right?
06:20You can calm down.
06:21You can feel a bit less threatened.
06:22Because look, they're sitting down.
06:24I'm not threatened.
06:25I'm standing my ground.
06:26So then what?
06:27You sound very concerned that they're behind you.
06:28I'm not concerned about them hurting me because I know you can't hurt me.
06:32I'm concerned about the behavior of these snakes.
06:35Because what you guys do is use...
06:37Sorry, what things?
06:38Did you say things?
06:39Snakes.
06:40Snakes, okay.
06:41Snakes that slaughter in the grass.
06:42There's no human snakes here.
06:44Are you using snakes to describe people?
06:48As a metaphor, yes.
06:49Because snakes have always been seen as liars, associated with deception, associated with trickery, associated with just general nefarious behavior.
06:59Wow.
07:00I don't...
07:01I've never seen a lizard person in my entire life.
07:03Yeah.
07:04I'm ex-fringe.
07:05Semantics.
07:06No.
07:07I'm ex-fringe.
07:08Bad chicken spirited theories aren't real.
07:11Now you're calling.
07:12So they're really strange.
07:13You got up to step one.
07:14Step one.
07:15Step one.
07:16It just one was verified to be real.
07:18I wouldn't be here.
07:19I like to make people laugh.
07:20That's true.
07:21I feel it breaks the tension a bit.
07:23And it helps even, we're not all monsters.
07:25There's no way to break the tension when there's people standing behind me and snickering.
07:29There's no one standing behind you.
07:31Look behind you.
07:32Well, I'm standing in front of you and I'm mocking you right now because you're very illogical.
07:36Wait.
07:37Are you serious?
07:38Are you serious?
07:39Or are you like a clown?
07:40Yes, I'm serious.
07:41Oh my god.
07:42Why is it so funny?
07:43I'm so so serial.
07:44I'm so so serial.
07:45Serial?
07:46You're a serial what?
07:51Are you hyenas?
07:52It's just funny.
07:54No, I'm feeling better after speaking to you because you are an example of the people who are protesting against trans rights.
08:02I don't have a lot to worry about.
08:03You've already made up your mind about me from the moment you walked up.
08:07The problem is you haven't answered my first question when I walked up.
08:10I told you.
08:11Am I talking to you or am I talking all of them?
08:13Well, you haven't been talking to me because I've been asking you questions.
08:16Why are they not standing behind me?
08:17Why are they not standing behind you?
08:19And you're evading the question.
08:21That's one of the tactics.
08:23I'm ex-fringe.
08:24I used to be involved.
08:26Distraction.
08:27I'm not even standing in any group or collective.
08:29I'm an individual standing here.
08:30I was standing here by myself.
08:32And you don't trust everybody?
08:33You're suspicious of everybody around you?
08:35You don't trust anyone around you?
08:37That's just what the confluence is.
08:39Is there a problem with not being a collective of people?
08:42Not at all.
08:43Okay.
08:44Why are they standing over here behind me?
08:46Why are they surrounding me?
08:47They're not even standing and they're not behind me.
08:48They're not standing.
08:49They're on the side.
08:50Why do they need to be around?
08:51Why can't they be on our side?
08:53And the cops are right there.
08:54Why would they call us?
08:55Nothing goes violent.
08:56No, I'm just touching the point.
08:58You're calling out your behaviors.
09:00Your behaviors are not...
09:01I'm sitting.
09:02My behavior is very gentle.
09:03Your behavior is snickering in the side.
09:05I'm civil.
09:06I'm staying civil.
09:07I'm trying to engage and you refuse.
09:10There you go.
09:11This is your group who's distracting me, honey.
09:13If you want...
09:14So are you easily distracted?
09:15Then how many go stand there?
09:16You are so easily distracted you can't talk to somebody right in front of me?
09:18To make me feel better go stand there in front of them.
09:20Sure.
09:21Why do you care where we stand?
09:23Alright, so are you going to answer my question?
09:25No, no, no, no.
09:26Who's standing behind me?
09:28No one's standing behind me.
09:29You already know.
09:30Everyone knows who's...
09:31You guys throw stones and hide your head.
09:32What?
09:33What?
09:33I'm not hiding anything.
09:35You don't have to hide your head, it's a metaphor.
09:36You're not throwing any stones.
09:37No one's hiding shit.
09:38No stones.
09:39The guy who's neutral.
09:40No, I'm not neutral in this life, I've told you.
09:42I'm a parent, I have things I care about.
09:44I've just been on a jury duty, I know what neutral means.
09:46Yeah, and you're also full of crap.
09:47You think I've not been on jury duty?
09:49I can show you my summons.
09:51You think I've not been on jury duty?
09:53I just got out on Wednesday night and we gave the verdict.
09:55Yeah, keep talking semantics.
09:56That's not semantics.
09:57That is semantics.
09:58That is semantics.
09:59Wait, keep talking semantics.
10:00There's nothing to do with the person.
10:02You keep derailing things to talk about.
10:04I'm standing behind you.
10:05Says the person who has derailed the conversation
10:08since I first asked you a question.
10:10I'm derailing talking about your gang, your gang collective,
10:12trying to surround me, and you're distracting me with conversation
10:16while they surround me.
10:18So he talked about your tone and...
10:20That's your question.
10:22Do you want to go over there so you're not surrounded?
10:24I'm done talking.
10:25I said I'm not afraid of your tone.
10:27But what does concern me is that all these people tried to come up and surround me.
10:31Why?
10:32You're not surrounded.
10:33Why would you surround me?
10:34You're not now.
10:35You're not surrounded.
10:36But if you want a safe space, I'm happy to give you more space to walk over here
10:41so you feel less threatened by it.
10:42I'm not threatened by a collective.
10:44Okay.
10:45What does threaten me is when people surround me.
10:47Okay, so to make you less threatened from feeling surrounded, there's a safe space right over here.
10:53You asked to switch with me.
10:54Would you like to switch back?
10:56You guys love being smart asses.
10:59You guys love being smart asses, but you're really not that smart.
11:02There's space here too.
11:03What was the purpose of them surrounding me?
11:05Answer that.
11:06What was the purpose of surrounding me if you were coming to dialogue with a good thing?
11:10I didn't ask you.
11:11I didn't ask you.
11:12I think these people were interested in hearing what you were going to say.
11:15I didn't ask you.
11:16I didn't ask you.
11:17I didn't ask you.
11:18I didn't ask you.
11:19For rationality.
11:20I just answered.
11:21So let me say it again.
11:22I think these people are interested in hearing what you were going to say.
11:24So they had to stand behind me?
11:26Why would they stand behind you?
11:27Did they get better audio from over there?
11:30They're sitting, so the garage is generally more comfortable than coffee.
11:34No, we're not sitting originally.
11:35They're sitting now.
11:36Are you offended?
11:37No.
11:38I'm calling out your behavior though, because you guys act like hyenas in a herd.
11:43You act with herd mentality.
11:45That's the problem with you.
11:46So would you feel more comfortable over there and just answering my question with me over
11:50there?
11:51No.
11:52We can have dialogue.
11:53Okay, so can I ask my original question?
11:55Go ahead.
11:56As somebody who presents as female.
11:59I don't present as female.
12:01I am female.
12:02Okay.
12:03How can you support an anti-trans movement or event?
12:08I don't see it as anti-trans.
12:10How can you support something that...
12:13I support children's rights to live with their parents.
12:15I'm sorry.
12:16Are you willing to have a dialogue with me and let me...
12:19Well, you're using your own terms to narrate and...
12:22Semantics.
12:23That's not relevant.
12:25That's what you said, but I'm...
12:26Busted!
12:27Call it semantics.
12:28I'm pointing out the fact that he's trying to present a false narrative about what I'm
12:31part of and I'm saying...
12:33I'm shutting it down.
12:34So tell me about what you're part of.
12:35Tell me about the organizers of the event.
12:37I'm not part of anything.
12:38I came here because I wanted to send...
12:39Okay.
12:40But you were telling me that you were at an event.
12:41Are you going to let me finish my answer?
12:43Yeah, I was at an event.
12:44Sure, are you going to let me finish my question?
12:45I'm not part of an organ...
12:46You did finish.
12:47You said tell me about yourself.
12:48But you still haven't answered my first question.
12:49You started asking something else.
12:51So let me talk.
12:52Okay, go ahead.
12:53I came here to stand up for children's rights to be with their parents.
12:58I'm not part of any group.
12:59I'm not part of any organization.
13:01But I'm an issues-based voter and I believe in children having the right to be with their
13:06parents and not mutilating.
13:08And so are we taking children away?
13:10Yes.
13:11Can I give you some statistics?
13:12When teachers want to have secret dialogues with children and give them confusing information,
13:18to speed them down a path...
13:20So you're...
13:21For the people that may be viewing this, what you're saying is you are against the policy
13:30that...
13:31What is the dialogue?
13:32Are you listening or are you part of the conversation?
13:33I'm part of the conversation.
13:34So what she's talking about is...
13:36Don't narrate for them.
13:37Do not narrate for them.
13:38Can I confer?
13:39Can you tell me, yes or no, whether I understand what you're saying?
13:43Would you be able to do that?
13:44Okay.
13:45What you're saying is you are against the policy of teachers not disclosing a choice of gender
13:54pronouns to the parents if a child chooses to use them different gender pronouns in school?
13:59I feel that it's none of the teacher's business to be talking about the child's body.
14:03Okay.
14:04So my question to that is if a child is uncomfortable disclosing few gender pronouns to their parents,
14:12what does that say about the parenting or the child's trust of the parents and the relationship
14:22between them?
14:23First, let's get to where they would even learn about this stuff.
14:27How would they get the idea in their head?
14:31Unix have existed for a long time.
14:34Trans are not unix.
14:36Trans is a completely new phenomenon that is not ancient whatsoever.
14:40So I don't know where you're getting this information from, but that's not information.
14:45That's not fact.
14:46That's not true.
14:47A unix is a person who would get passed.
14:52So I'm going to suggest that the reason why more people are out now is because as we've
14:59progressed, people are more open and accepting of differences and people as they are rather
15:04than trying to fit them into two boxes, male and female, which is the essence of patriarchy.
15:09Pharmaceutical drugs, that's not natural.
15:10So I'm going to go back to my original question.
15:13As somebody who is female and benefits from feminism, I hope.
15:17I don't benefit from feminism, just so we're clear.
15:20So you mentioned you can vote.
15:22You said you're a single issue voter?
15:24Yeah.
15:25Congratulations, you benefit from feminism.
15:27Black women didn't have to vote.
15:28So you said that you identify as female, right?
15:31I will use the gender pronouns that you have told me about.
15:35Congratulations!
15:36You are benefiting from gender-affirming care.
15:39No, I'm not because I've never had...
15:41So should I start using he, him pronouns?
15:43Are they, them?
15:46If you don't benefit from gender-affirming care, if you don't care about gender-affirming care,
15:52would it make sense if I mislabel you?
15:54I won't because I generally don't like to mislabel you.
15:57If you mislabel me, that's more about you than it does about me.
15:59I really don't care what you call me.
16:01You've been laughing and calling me all kinds of things.
16:03I really don't care what you call me.
16:05You can call me an ostrich.
16:06So, okay.
16:07It really doesn't matter what you say.
16:08She identifies as an ostrich.
16:09That's not what I said.
16:10No.
16:11She seems suspicious.
16:12She called me snakes.
16:13Oh, sorry, semantics, right?
16:14I don't think you really want us to call you.
16:16I'm not saying, so you are a part of their group.
16:18No, I was standing here and I heard you say snakes.
16:21I'm not...
16:22I didn't call you a snake.
16:23I called them a snake.
16:24Oh, thank you.
16:25I'm not sure which is worse.
16:26There's a difference.
16:27I'd rather be a mammal.
16:28So, is he worth more than somebody here?
16:30Exactly.
16:31That's why I said I'd rather be a mammal.
16:32How come it's okay to call them snakes?
16:34Because of their behavior.
16:36We're snickering from the side.
16:37They're slithering like snakes in the grass.
16:39They're standing behind me trying to surround me.
16:41For what?
16:42Does it look like they don't have any limbs?
16:45Why would somebody surround...
16:46Why would a group of people surround an individual?
16:49Explain to me.
16:50Explain to me.
16:51It doesn't look like they don't have any limbs.
16:53We all got arms and legs.
16:55Wait.
16:56Why would you choose to surround an individual standing with you?
16:59Does anyone have an answer to you?
17:04Yeah, yeah, yeah.
17:05Because you're all just snickering on the side.
17:07You want to be participants, but you don't have the nerve to actually face you.
17:10We're audience.
17:11And that's exactly why I called you snakes.
17:13Don't worry.
17:14We're not slotted.
17:15We're not dragging ourselves around on the ground.
17:17They're facing you.
17:18Absolutely.
17:19Look how it transitions.
17:20Yeah, after I press them.
17:21It happens.
17:22Much of this...
17:23Much of this...
17:24So...
17:25It's snickering.
17:26Does that hurt me?
17:27No, it doesn't.
17:28Good.
17:29So it's not a big problem.
17:30That is it.
17:31You're here, man.
17:32You're a fool.
17:33You're a lawyer.
17:34You should understand.
17:35I'm not a lawyer.
17:36Oh, yeah.
17:37I'm sure you do.
17:38I do.
17:39So, my question was,
17:40what is the goodness of surrounding an individual?
17:42As a collective.
17:43I do.
17:44I hope you succeeded.
17:45It's not for intimidation.
17:46Did you feel surrounded today?
17:49You didn't answer my question.
17:50I just asked you a question and then you tried to be...
17:52I'm trying to contextualize what you're asking so I can give you a bit more accurate answer.
17:55I already said I don't feel threatened.
17:57Okay.
17:58I don't.
17:59So...
18:00So, I'm asking you, what is the purpose of...
18:01If you don't feel threatened, what is the issue with being surrounded?
18:03It doesn't have to be...
18:04I don't have to be threatened to observe your behavior.
18:07Okay.
18:08So, is there a different place you want us to be?
18:09No.
18:10Tell us how you want us to organize and then we can go back to having a conversation.
18:14What is the purpose of surrounding me as a collective when you're against an individual?
18:18I contest the fact that you were surrounded.
18:20And you're talking about what I'm saying, but you don't have the nerve to actually address
18:23me directly.
18:24And that's exactly why...
18:25Excuse me.
18:26I was addressing you directly and you kept on changing the subject.
18:28I'm not changing the subject.
18:29I'm talking about you as a collective.
18:31Sorry.
18:32But I was...
18:33Back to this again.
18:34Circles and circles.
18:35Yeah.
18:36And they're part of your group.
18:37Feedback loop.
18:38Did they answer any...
18:39Did they ask any questions?
18:40They're snickering.
18:41They're making comments.
18:42They're part of the conversation.
18:43Are they not?
18:44Are we not allowed to react?
18:45Are you saying that you want a safe space?
18:47Right.
18:48I'm not standing out of the same space.
18:49Okay.
18:50I'm talking about your behavior.
18:51And I can be part of the conversation too.
18:52You're trying to face me as an individual, but you have a whole group collective that
18:55is with you.
18:56Correct?
18:57So why would you...
18:58Well, I came to you as an individual.
18:59Why would you...
19:00And these people are free to sit on public property.
19:01Why would you want to have an individual dialogue?
19:03I never said that they're not allowed to be here.
19:06They were actually saying that I don't have a right to be here.
19:08Really?
19:09Who's that at all?
19:10I never said anything of the sort.
19:11I'm just a documentarian.
19:12You're saying, go home fascist.
19:14Go home fascist.
19:15You're a fascist.
19:16You're not calling me fascist.
19:18You're accusing me of fascism for just standing here.
19:20You're telling people to go home.
19:23You're trying to stop what they meant as fascist.
19:27So you're trying to...
19:28So are you against free speech and free expression?
19:30No, I'm not.
19:31Okay.
19:32So what is your issue with people expressing their free thoughts and speech?
19:37So it's expressing their free thoughts of speech to surround an individual?
19:41Because you guys came up here as a group.
19:44You're sitting here because of me.
19:45Again, I would say the Supreme Court has a lot of stuff on this.
19:47So why are you sitting here?
19:48If you're not part of a group and they're not part of this, why are they sitting here?
19:51Did you say you're studying to be a lawyer?
19:52Can you answer my question?
19:53Why are you here?
19:54She's not.
19:55Do you know about Section 2B of the Charter?
20:00Why are you here if not for me?
20:02And the amount of law that has been ruled on?
20:05Why are you here if not for me?
20:07We are showing support for trans youth.
20:09We don't care about you.
20:11We care about trans youth.
20:13Well, there's nobody else here.
20:15This is what I'm talking about.
20:17You use your collectives to back you up.
20:19So we're not really having a one-on-one conversation.
20:23You have them.
20:25We don't care about your comments.
20:27So if everybody here is quiet,
20:29if everybody here is quiet,
20:31would you have a one-on-one conversation with me?
20:35Are you a group or are you not a group?
20:37They will chime in whenever they want.
20:39Would you be willing to let me speak on behalf of you guys to her?
20:41Absolutely.
20:43So what is the purpose,
20:45like I was asking, what is the purpose
20:47of a collective surrounding an individual
20:49if not for intimidation?
20:51It's to show solidarity.
20:53But that would be standing behind you, right?
20:55No. Yeah, it would be.
20:57There's lots of ways to show solidarity.
20:59Why surround an individual?
21:01You give yourselves blank checks.
21:03You love that.
21:04We don't get paid to be here.
21:06We don't get paid to be here, lady.
21:08Why don't you feel solidarity
21:10by standing behind the person
21:11that you're trying to have a one-on-one dialogue with?
21:13You guys are full of shit.
21:14We don't get paid to be here.
21:16You're back off clear.
21:18You can't stand on your own.
21:20We're not stopping you from leaving.
21:22And you are bullied.
21:24You can walk away any time.
21:26I'm not offended by you.
21:27I'm not offended by you either.
21:29So if you want to have a one-on-one dialogue.
21:31It looks different for me.
21:32Talk to me.
21:33I've been trying.
21:34Hello?
21:35No, you weren't.
21:36Because you get back up from them.
21:37They make noise.
21:38They laugh whenever you say something.
21:39I offered to speak on behalf of everybody
21:41to ask you questions and they said they'd be quiet.
21:43Well, they're not.
21:44They keep snickering.
21:45They keep chiming in.
21:46They keep saying things.
21:47So you are looking for a safe space.
21:48If you want to talk, then talk.
21:49Because I can talk to all of you.
21:51But I can only speak to one person at a time.
21:53Nobody wants to talk to you.
21:54You clearly do, honey.
21:55Nobody wants to talk to you.
21:56You want to talk?
21:57Because you keep walking away.
21:58You feel intimidated by how much of people sitting in the grass.
22:00I'm not intimidated by you.
22:01I'm not intimidated by you.
22:02Why are you minding content?
22:03You've been standing here yelling at people for like an hour.
22:05What?
22:06What?
22:07You're literally standing here.
22:08Oh, you're such a victim, honey.
22:10You're such a victim.
22:11You feel so surrounded by all of these people sitting in the grass.
22:15You feel very validated by your group.
22:17It's very scary.
22:18Oh, my goodness.
22:19You're so uncomfortable.
22:20You're so uncomfortable.
22:21Are you going to have a dialogue?
22:22No, because you're just talking over people.
22:25How am I talking over people?
22:27You're not interested in having a dialogue.
22:28You're just trying to yell.
22:30You're just trying to yell.
22:31You're laughing.
22:32You're coughing.
22:33You're coughing.
22:34You're coughing.
22:35I don't know why you're yelling at people.
22:36You can't have a dialogue.
22:37I have to yell.
22:38I have to yell.
22:39You can't hear y'all yelling at white.
22:41You're supporting trans children.
22:42You're not supporting trans children.
22:43You're narcissists.
22:44And you're supporting your narcissism.
22:45That's what you're doing.
22:46Says the person recording video of themselves for what, like two hours?
22:51Two hours ranting or raving.
22:53Oh, telling us that we get paid to be here.
23:07Prove it.
23:08As a collective, and then talk about how I need to yell when you guys laugh.
23:13You scream.
23:14You clap.
23:15You do things to shut my voice down.
23:17And you pretend as if it's one on one.
23:19These are the games that you snakes play.
23:21You try to pretend that you're righteous, but you don't even know what it is.
23:26Okay, so what's righteousness to you?
23:28Tell them to shut the fuck up.
23:29Tell me what righteousness is to you.
23:31Righteousness is being able to stand on your two feet on your own.
23:35And be able to stand for what you believe in without needing a group to back you up.
23:40Okay, so would you like to stand over there with me while these people observe?
23:44You came as a group.
23:45So enjoy your group.
23:47I don't live here.
23:48I'm enjoying my group.
23:50So do you want to have a dialogue or do you want to just...
23:53I'd love to.
23:54Do you want to sit down and talk?
23:55Because you're obviously here for me.
23:56You're obviously here.
23:57I'm from Hamilton.
23:58This is what I'm talking about.
24:01Me too.
24:02You guys are not having a dialogue.
24:04You're playing some kind of game.
24:06We're not playing any games, lady.
24:08Oh yeah, you are, honey.
24:09No.
24:10We're not even paid to be here.
24:12Sure you're not.
24:13No, I mean it.
24:14You want to prove it?
24:15I can show you a statement of all the deposits to my bank account.
24:18If you get the bank information, I'll show you.
24:21Yeah, they're back in the future.
24:22That's what I'm talking about.
24:23I'm sure you're not.
24:24No, I mean it.
24:25You want to prove it?
24:26I can show you a statement of all the deposits to my bank account.
24:27That's all I got.
24:30That's all I got.
24:31What can I do when I'm against a group?
24:33I'm one person and you guys need all...
24:35We're not harassing you.
24:36You could do that.
24:37We're not harassing you.
24:38None of us are harassing you.
24:40But I can't.
24:41I need to speak to you.
24:42But I can't speak to you.
24:43I'm standing here alone.
24:44This is what it's like arguing with a diminished conspiracy theorist.
24:51That's going down a rabbit hole on YouTube.
24:54You've gone down some rabbit hole.
24:56I've not gone no rabbit hole.
24:57What evidence?
24:58You say look it up on your phone.
24:59What evidence do you have of this group getting paid to me?
25:06What evidence?
25:07Show us the evidence.
25:08You're an lawyer student.
25:09Yeah, bank account.
25:10Sure enough!
25:11You're an lawyer student.
25:12You're an lawyer student.
25:13You're an lawyer student.
25:14You're an lawyer student.
25:15So I don't know how you pay your bills when you're constantly protesting
25:22Oh, protests don't happen every single minute of every single day
25:27And I'm explaining to you, but you won't even let me talk
25:30You won't even let us talk
25:33Before cutting the conversation off
25:35You keep going back to me having a dialogue
25:38But then you say what you want
25:40And then when I respond to you, you say I'm changing the subject
25:43Which is the problem with you groups
25:45You love to join in whenever you want and then step back and say this
25:49So are you all against me or are you sitting there watching him and let him defend you?
25:53Why would I be against anyone?
25:56I've filmed, documented over 10,000 protests
26:00If you guys aren't against me, why are you here?
26:01I'm standing here minding my own business, so why are you standing here?
26:04That's why I recognize you
26:04You guys came here to surround me
26:07Right from the early Scientology days
26:09You literally made a circular perimeter around
26:11Occupy Toronto
26:12Do you feel, did you feel threatened by that?
26:15No
26:15So what's the issue with that?
26:18Because I know you're all fucking pussy bitches
26:19And you ain't gonna do shit
26:21You're trying to use passive aggressive tactics
26:24To try and intimidate you
26:26And I'm showing you that it doesn't work
26:28That's why I'm still standing here
26:30I wonder how long she's gonna be standing there for
26:33It's obviously for me
26:35Why are you here?
26:36I'm just standing here
26:38So are we
26:38You're not standing, you're sitting
26:40Semantics
26:43You guys love that
26:44There you go
26:45There you go
26:46You love it
26:47Because there's nothing else going on
26:50Everybody's packed up and gone home
26:52How's it going everybody?
26:53I'm here to talk to them
26:55Yeah, sure you are
26:57Nice weather
26:58Nice weather
26:59Have a day, mate
27:00Oh, hi, oh my god, hello
27:03And what is the point of you sitting here?
27:07Going in the sun
27:08Enjoying the sun
27:10Solidarity
27:11Solidarity for what?
27:12To protect people that I love
27:17I know
27:18People that I care about
27:19And to protest people who want to hurt them
27:23I want to hurt people that you care about
27:25Did I say that it was about you?
27:28Well, you're here for me, obviously
27:29I was the only one standing here
27:30I was here for these anti-trans people
27:32Are you saying that you were with them?
27:34No
27:34Oh
27:35Okay
27:36I'm not anti-trans
27:38I'm pro-children's rights
27:39I can never understand that
27:41I'm serious
27:42I'm not saying
27:43That's a horrible thing
27:45Is that real weird?
27:46Yeah, I'm sure you're saying that
27:47I'm standing here
27:48Really?
27:49I mean, we're just here
27:50You said I'm weird
27:51So I'm serious
27:52We're here together
27:54I know I'm white here
27:55Well, you guys were together over there
27:57And then you decided to walk up to where I was standing
27:59Oh, no, no
28:00I actually really like the wippy statue
28:02Yeah, I'm sure you like the statue
28:04Which one's your favorite?
28:06So you're redirecting the conversation
28:07Of statues after you were asking me about what I'm doing here
28:11And then I point out that you guys were standing over there
28:14Well, now you want to know about what makes me tick
28:17You were just talking about statues
28:18Yeah, because I said I like color
28:19And I scored friends
28:21You know what color is you like?
28:24This is a really strange conversation
28:27That has nothing to do with nothing
28:29No, it's not like
28:32It hurts with me
28:33You refuse to answer questions
28:34That have something to do with something
28:36Yeah, and then you're also doing it
28:37So can I answer questions
28:38When people are all talking to me at once?
28:40Because that's what I was talking about
28:42That's the problem I expressed to him
28:44He's talking about having a one-on-one dialogue
28:46But then people keep chiming in
28:48The offer's still open
28:49What?
28:52I don't drink
28:53No, no, no
28:54I don't drink either
28:56So I get this great thing with rosemary
28:58And little lemon syrup
28:59So that sounds really good
29:03Can you try that?
29:04No
29:04Because I'm not here to talk about that
29:09But I'm here to talk to people
29:10Let me see you
29:11This is a very strange conversation
29:15Do you know if that's life?
29:18No, that's not life
29:20No, I look strange
29:20Like strange
29:21Not really
29:22I look pretty strange
29:23Well, that's what
29:25You like to live like
29:27I mean, that's your choice
29:28What makes you happy?
29:29Not having people surround me
29:33And try and tell me
29:34To go away
29:35I probably would've gone home
29:42I think it's set on 180 right now
29:44I guess the event is done now
29:51I really don't need to be here
29:52But it seems as if you guys
29:56Didn't come to dialogue
29:57You came to take over space
29:59I'll delete it
30:00I did it
30:01See?
30:03You came to take over space
30:04And you're collective to do it
30:07You guys don't respect my
30:08Collective power and solidarity
30:10Yeah, collective power and solidarity
30:12What do you think?
30:19No, no, no, no
30:20She's going
30:20She's going
30:21Go back to America
30:21Please, please
30:22She's going
30:23So please
30:24She's a conspiracy theorist
30:28You guys are coming to take space
30:30Guys, guys, guys
30:30She's going
30:31I know
30:32She's leaving
30:33Well, they came over here
30:35They were over there
30:36So if they can enjoy the grass
30:38Over there, right?
30:40Well, they're sitting down now
30:42after I talked about them surrounding people, right?
30:45Bye.
30:45Yeah, you guys are showing yourselves.
30:47Bye.
30:49You're showing yourselves, by the way.
30:51You don't respect life or freedom.
30:53You've got one bit.
30:55And you've got to go there every single day.
30:57Execo counseling works in the house, people.
31:00I know you need counseling.
31:02If just one batch of conspiracy theory was verified to be real,
31:06we wouldn't be here.
31:08Also, we're not the people who have to override
31:10the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedom.
31:13The folks on your side are.
31:15If you were by yourself, you would not be here.
31:17You're only here because you have a collective.
31:20So we're clear.
31:20Well, she'll make it through law school, baby.
31:24So it's funny.
31:25It's been people who have had to counterforce up the road
31:27that people claim to be a lawyer.
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