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A True Crime Documentary on the Murder of Liese Dodd featuring Deundrea Holloway.
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00:00It sounded like the beginning scene of, like, Criminal Minds or something, you know?
00:05Like, when somebody's tied up and they're trying to get out,
00:08and then all of a sudden the screaming got really, really loud and really intense.
00:15Alton, Illinois.
00:18A man can be seen on CCTV just after midnight coming out of a house,
00:23carrying a white laundry basket down a quiet street.
00:27He walks behind a smoke shop and disappears from view.
00:32At the time, no one knew what was inside the basket.
00:36It wouldn't be until the next day when a construction worker finds something disturbing.
00:42I take them to the dumpster.
00:44So when I took them to the dumpster, there's a lot of clothes and shit in there all strode all over,
00:49laundry baskets, and there was a couple of shoes.
00:54The shoes, the slipper shoes, too.
00:57Slipper shoes.
00:58Okay.
00:58They was red.
00:59They had blood on them.
01:01They all look like female shit.
01:03For real, though.
01:05Male shit, too.
01:06Female and male clothes?
01:07Yeah.
01:08Okay.
01:08The next day, around 1 p.m., this mother, Heidi Noel, arrives at her daughter, Lisa Dodd's apartment.
01:17Lisa is 22 and currently eight months pregnant.
01:23Heidi hasn't heard from her in over 15 hours since the night before.
01:27Something feels off.
01:29She lets herself in.
01:31Two minutes later, other residents can be seen opening the door.
01:36Heidi steps back outside, visibly shaking.
01:40The neighbor's expressions say everything.
01:44And then Heidi makes a chilling 911 call.
01:50911 with the other person.
01:53Yeah.
01:53Hi.
01:54This is...
01:56What's going on?
01:58My girlfriend's daughter is killed.
02:00Yeah.
02:01What's going on there?
02:03My girlfriend...
02:04I mean, I'm sorry.
02:05My daughter's...
02:06She tapped her head off.
02:08Police arrive shortly after and discover the lifeless body of Lisa.
02:14In this video, we'll walk you through exactly what happened to Lisa Dodd the night she was murdered.
02:21With never-before-seen footage here on the decoder,
02:25we advise viewer discretion as some of its contents may be disturbing.
02:31Now, let's dive in to the chilling murder of Lisa Dodd.
02:42Lisa was living in Alton, Madison County, in Illinois, a suburb of St. Louis, in which she was born.
02:50Though it has a far higher crime rate than that of Illinois as a whole,
02:54it's where she felt at home.
02:56And the residents of this quiet street feel the same.
03:00In this surveillance footage, they can be seen taking the trash out,
03:03going to work, and carrying out other errands.
03:07But all that is about to change.
03:10Further up the road, there's construction work going on.
03:13Trash from the construction site, like bits of drywall,
03:16are going in a large red dumpster parked on the street outside.
03:21And on the morning of June 9th,
03:23one man carrying old drywall out
03:25discovers something in the dumpster that shouldn't be there.
03:29That's what the knife looked like.
03:31Like that.
03:32Okay.
03:33That short with teeth on that boat.
03:36So like a, like a paring knife?
03:39With teeth on the right, you cut me.
03:40Like serrated?
03:41Yeah.
03:41Okay.
03:42Like that.
03:42That's what the knife looked like.
03:43Was the handle longer than the blade or was the...
03:46No, it was short, about like this.
03:48About?
03:49Yeah, like that.
03:50Okay.
03:51And when you, when you picked up the knife,
03:53did you pick it up by the blade?
03:54Did you pick it up by the handle?
03:55Did you pick it up by the blade?
03:56I mean by the handle.
03:57By the handle.
03:58I didn't do that, motherfucker.
03:58I got you.
03:59I got you.
04:00Put the old shit blood on your back.
04:01Was the blood on the handle?
04:03Was it on the blade?
04:03Was it covered in it?
04:05Was it tripping?
04:06It was on the blade.
04:08It was on the blade?
04:08Yeah.
04:09The contractor knows something isn't right about this scene
04:12and he wants to get as far away from it as possible.
04:16This is the first sign that this June 9th
04:19isn't going to be as ordinary a summer day
04:21as the local residents first thought.
04:23I got a message from her last night.
04:26What time did you last hear from her?
04:30It was like 9 or 5 or so.
04:32I had sent her a text and she said they were talking.
04:35And then I tried again at 10 and she didn't answer.
04:38And then I tried this morning two times and she didn't answer.
04:42And so then I came over here because I didn't see my answers.
04:48Uh-huh.
04:48Okay.
04:50The last thing we talked to her was last night when she sent your text message, right?
04:53Yes.
04:54Okay.
04:54The offices are coming.
04:55They'll be there.
04:56I know.
04:56Bye.
04:57Bye.
04:58Okay.
04:58Bye.
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05:08Heidi's still sitting on the steps, crying.
05:19Where are we going?
05:19Where are we going?
05:21Where are we going?
05:23Department 4.
05:24Department 4.
05:25Is anybody else here?
05:26No, I didn't see anyone.
05:27Do you have a key to get in?
05:29I'd love to get out of the map.
05:30Right here.
05:31Right here.
05:32This one.
05:32Do you have this key?
05:33Oh, I'm sorry.
05:34It's a key.
05:35Bye.
05:35Bye.
05:36Bye.
05:37Bye.
05:38The apartment building, and though they know what they're going to find, it never gets
05:43any easier.
05:44Evan, watch the rear.
05:45All right.
05:47All right.
05:48Four.
05:48Lisa's apartment is on the second floor.
05:51The door is unlocked.
05:52Oh, please pop in here to make yourself known.
05:55They discover her body in her bedroom.
05:58At least, they think it's her body.
06:00Her head appears to be wrapped in a towel, like a turban.
06:04But underneath the turban, her head is gone.
06:07It's been cut off.
06:08She wasn't kidding.
06:09Can we go sit on these front porch steps, though?
06:13Sure.
06:14Okay?
06:15I don't want to bother those people.
06:16You know what?
06:17I'll tell them to go away.
06:18Okay?
06:19It's okay.
06:20Well, I just...
06:21Sir?
06:22Apartment four upstairs to the right.
06:27Oh, my God.
06:29Here, let's...
06:30Oh, God, Lisa, why can't you listen?
06:33Take some big, deep breaths for me, okay?
06:36Okay.
06:37And then I touched her, and she was cold, and so then I wanted to make sure that he just
06:42strangled her, and then there wasn't a hit.
06:44Please find her head.
06:46No.
06:47No one else is in the apartment.
06:51There's no sign of a murder weapon, and there's no sign of Lisa's head, either.
06:56Her killer must have disposed of it elsewhere.
06:58Not only has Lisa been murdered, but her body has been desecrated, and this peaceful neighborhood
07:05has been torn apart.
07:07They let us know that somebody was found dead next door.
07:12To have to lose a child that way, and that baby is an extension of her mother and the rest
07:21of her family, so they lost a child as well.
07:24They lost two.
07:25So how did we get here?
07:27What happened to lead this young woman, who had her whole life ahead of her, and was soon
07:32to be a mother, to such a horrible end?
07:35To understand how this crime unfolded, we'll need to go back 24 hours.
07:41We find Lisa just living her life, looking forward to her future ahead.
07:47Here she is on her porch at just before 2pm on June 8th, scrolling on her phone and looking
07:52out at the lawn.
07:54In 10 hours, she'll be dead.
07:57Lisa Dodd was born in Alton, Madison County, on August 14th, 1999.
08:05She was a bright and enthusiastic child with a particular love for animals.
08:10For her 10th birthday, instead of receiving presents, she opted to organize a fundraiser
08:16for Riverbend Humane Society, a local no-kill animal shelter in Jerseyville.
08:22She continued to have a caring attitude throughout her teenage years.
08:26She graduated from Jersey Community High School in 2017 and started to work at Dairy Queen, where
08:33customers remember her as a vibrant and friendly server.
08:37But she wasn't just in it because she enjoyed socializing with her customers.
08:41She was saving up to realize her ambitions of going into the medical field, like her mom
08:47before her.
08:48In June 2022, she was also 8 months pregnant.
08:53The baby was going to be a girl.
08:55I had just sent out invitations the prior Saturday for the baby shower.
09:00Um, we were just excited and kind of gathering the items you need to have a baby.
09:06Lisa hadn't yet decided on a name for her baby.
09:10The family were just calling it Baby Bean.
09:13And they were looking forward to the birth and everything that would come afterwards.
09:17Lisa was in an on-again-off-again relationship with a man named DeAndre Holloway, another Illinois
09:40native.
09:41DeAndre is the same age as Lisa.
09:43It's unclear how they met, but they've been seeing each other for a while, nearly two
09:48years.
09:49DeAndre also has some issues.
09:51He uses substances, and he's had a difficult home life, according to his half-sister, PJ.
09:57How long has he not lived there?
09:59Uh, he lived out when he was about 18.
10:03How old is he now?
10:04Uh, 21.
10:06Okay, where are you doing when he moved out?
10:09Um, I'm not sure.
10:11Okay.
10:11Um, what do you know about DeAndre's life currently, like, about, like, his relationship
10:17status and things like that, and his, where he lives and things like that?
10:21Um, he lives pretty much with everybody, like, well, he lives with his girlfriend, but, like,
10:28whenever they get into it, like, he hops in different people's homes.
10:32He's also taken Lisa with him on this shiftless lifestyle in the past.
10:36At one point, according to her old boss at Dairy Queen, the couple were homeless, living
10:41in a tent by Lake Litchfield.
10:43I think she was making up a story, and then she finally did tell me that she had had, um,
10:48some problems with her boyfriend was hitting her, and they were actually homeless, and
10:52we're living out at the campground at the lake.
10:54At the start of 2022, they'd moved into the apartment building in Alton, but things weren't
11:00going well between the couple.
11:01She had a lot of personal problems, um, with a boyfriend, a lot of calling off, um, she
11:07had a lot of black eyes when she would come in, um, when she first started, she would make
11:11excuses that her dog had jumped up and hit her and caused her black eyes, um, she was
11:16constantly running late, um, like, for personal reasons, um, always something coming up.
11:23She had a lot of black eyes, a lot of bruising on her arms, like, where you could see, you
11:27know, like, maybe grabbing.
11:29Okay.
11:29Um, that kind of thing.
11:31Lisa's boss once even witnessed one of these altercations.
11:35What specifically did you see when, the day you actually witnessed her being battered, what
11:39did you see?
11:40I punched in the face.
11:41You saw, uh, Mr. Holloway punched her?
11:45Her face, yeah.
11:46So, were they in the car when that happened, or were they outside of the car?
11:48No, they were in the car, and we have cameras on the back of the building.
11:51We actually tried to roll the cameras back, but they're not very good definition, so we weren't
11:55able to actually see it.
11:57Okay.
11:57Yeah.
11:58Um, and was he in a driver's seat?
12:00Yes, he was.
12:01Okay.
12:01And did she return to work after that happened?
12:03She did.
12:05And did you see any, did she have any visible injuries on that occasion?
12:08Her face was red.
12:08Okay.
12:09And did she say anything, or was she confronted about that?
12:14I asked her about it, and she said they had gotten in an argument.
12:18Um, eventually after the, you know, excuses about, you know, the dog and things like that
12:22stopped, she was honest about it, and just said that they were always arguing and fighting,
12:26and, you know, then they would make up, and it would happen again.
12:29Okay.
12:29Um, did she, like, specifically that day, when she was struck, um, was there any conversation,
12:38like, after the fact, when she comes back into work about, you know, the police, or?
12:43I wanted to call the police, and she did not want to do that.
12:46Okay.
12:47On one occasion, in July 2021, Lisa landed in the hospital after DeAndre apparently broke
12:53her nose and gave her two black eyes.
12:56They'd also been seen arguing on the street in the past.
13:00And following one such argument, a witness saw DeAndre punching himself in the face,
13:05as if to punish himself.
13:06It got bad to the extent that in September 2021, she texted her boss.
13:13My boyfriend beat me again, and I had to go to my mom's.
13:17They're wanting me to stay in a safe place because he's threatened before to harm us.
13:22Is there any way I could get my shift for tomorrow covered until things settle down a little?
13:27I can work the rest of the week.
13:29We're just trying to make place to stay safe.
13:31This didn't last, however.
13:33However, Lisa and DeAndre were back together soon enough.
13:37In May, DeAndre introduced Lisa to his half-sister, PJ.
13:42According to her, DeAndre was the father of Lisa's baby.
13:46Did you tell she's pregnant?
13:47Yes.
13:47And I know this is a dumb question.
13:50Did he say that it was his?
13:52Yes.
13:52Yeah, they both did, yeah.
13:54And, like, whenever they fight, what does he do?
13:59Like, what does he do?
14:00He just takes off.
14:01Nobody knows where he goes.
14:02So did he know that they fight a lot before?
14:05Yeah.
14:05How do you know that?
14:07He told me.
14:08He'd been texting a friend about his poor mental state.
14:11On June 5th, just after midnight, he wrote,
14:14He also wrote,
14:27He also wrote,
14:32And on Tuesday, June 7th, DeAndre went missing.
14:49PJ added Lisa on social media as the family tried to search for him.
14:53I'm currently friends with her now because we were looking for him yesterday because he just went missing.
15:00Okay.
15:00So I found her on Facebook and tried to get some information to see if he, if she knew.
15:06That is a start.
15:07The first person she called was my grandma, and she asked my grandma if he was at her house, and she said no.
15:15And the girlfriend said that he didn't come home Tuesday night into Wednesday, and she was looking for him and stuff.
15:26And she thought that he may have went to my grandma's house.
15:29So my grandma called me and asked if he was up there or if I heard from him.
15:35Lisa came home from work on Tuesday to find that DeAndre wasn't there.
15:40He hadn't said anything about when or if he'd be home.
15:44Lisa, pregnant nearly to full term and with a lot on her plate, was understandably stressed out.
15:51She texted her mom about it at around 9 p.m. on June 7th.
15:55She wrote,
15:56You think he'd just leave like this?
15:59Fretting that he'd taken some clothes with him, and that he deliberately left, never to return.
16:04I think I got left.
16:06Heidi tried to comfort her, looking for a silver lining in the situation.
16:10She'd been concerned about her daughter's relationship for some time now, and this seemed like maybe a blessing in disguise.
16:18If this is how it's meant to happen, at least it was non-violent, she wrote.
16:23And you've been set free.
16:26Lisa replied,
16:27I'm not seeing it that way yet.
16:29Heidi asked,
16:30Did he talk about anything going on he wanted to go to?
16:34But Lisa had no answers.
16:36She just replied,
16:37No, we just had a weird day.
16:39And said that she'd reacted badly to him that day.
16:42Her mom dug for more information, and Lisa said,
16:46I broke a razor down and cut my leg, because I told him I was just going to kill myself.
16:50Why were you going to kill yourself?
16:52Her mom asked.
16:54This calm response, possibly indicating it wasn't the first time she'd heard something like this from her daughter.
17:00Lisa told her,
17:01Because I just can't get it right.
17:02If DeAndre had been spiraling, then clearly, so had Lisa.
17:07The relationship was a powder cake waiting to explode.
17:11But in the end, Heidi convinced her that stressing out wouldn't help her or her baby.
17:16Eventually, Lisa went to bed, but not before taking her car out on a half-hour nighttime drive at 1.39 a.m., too anxious to sleep.
17:27The next morning, at 7.06 a.m., she texted her mom.
17:31Still, no.
17:33DeAndre still hadn't come home.
17:35She went through her morning routine, washing her work clothes for her shift later, as if it was a normal day.
17:41But she felt like something was seriously wrong.
17:44She wrote,
17:45I still feel like he'll show up, but I can't tell.
17:49This is when she started reaching out to DeAndre's family, including his half-sister, PJ.
17:54Heidi suggested,
17:56You could call APD and ask if he was arrested, or ask Joe if there was anything weird on the cameras.
18:02Joe was Lisa's landlord.
18:05She did as her mom suggested and texted him.
18:07My boyfriend didn't come home last night, and he left his phone.
18:12I was wondering if you could watch the cameras and tell me if you see him leave and what he was wearing.
18:16His family and I are really worried.
18:19The CCTV showed that DeAndre had gone out with his Uncle Marty, his dad's brother, on Tuesday evening.
18:25The girlfriend called the landlord to their apartment, because they have cameras around the apartment and stuff.
18:32And she asked the landlord if he can go back and look at the cameras and stuff to see if he saw DeAndre,
18:41which he did around 624 when he left the apartment.
18:47And he was with his, he went with his uncle that lives in St. Louis.
18:54Is everybody relieved at that point, or like?
18:58Not really, because, you know, the girlfriend said that his uncle was supposed to bring him back that night,
19:06and he was supposed to call, like, before 10, and then it was after 10.
19:10But he didn't come back that night.
19:12PJ went to bed early on the evening of June 8th, without hearing anything else.
19:17Lisa, meanwhile, received a message out of the blue at about 8pm from DeAndre's uncle,
19:23saying he was bringing DeAndre back, and that everything was fine.
19:27With his uncle, that's who called anyway.
19:31Her mom replied,
19:32Where does his uncle live?
19:34And that's still...
19:34Across the bridge, Lisa said, and yeah, I agree.
19:40Heidi wasn't happy about the way her heavily pregnant daughter was being treated.
19:45She didn't trust DeAndre at all.
19:47She told Lisa,
19:49And of course it's your fault.
19:51That.
19:52And you better be careful so he doesn't give you something that Bean will catch.
19:57Ignoring this advice, Lisa went to pick DeAndre up.
20:01They could be seen here on CCTV, arriving back at their apartment at 9.11pm.
20:07While in the car, Lisa texted her mom.
20:10I'm trying to figure it out.
20:12This was the last text she'd ever send.
20:15And this CCTV image is the last time she'd ever be pictured.
20:19At 10.49pm, Heidi texted,
20:24You okay?
20:25And received no reply.
20:27By then, Lisa was already dead.
20:30Over the next few hours of CCTV, various neighbors come and go.
20:35Neither Lisa nor DeAndre are seen again.
20:38Until 11.57pm, when DeAndre comes out.
20:43He's carrying a white laundry basket.
20:46He comes to stand next to Lisa's car without getting inside, suggesting he's forgotten the keys.
20:53He's changed his clothes, and he's now wearing dark shoes and a face covering.
20:57He goes back inside, and comes out again a few minutes later, again carrying the laundry basket.
21:05He walks out of frame, and towards a nearby smoke shop, around the back of which is a dumpster.
21:11CCTV from a local business displays the rest.
21:14At one minute past midnight, we can see the white laundry basket being thrown into the dumpster, alongside some clothes.
21:22This laundry basket, as the police will later discover, contains Lisa's head.
21:29Two hours later, her car is missing from the parking lot.
21:33DeAndre has gone to his mother's house.
21:35And then, my sister said, around 2.30 in the morning, that he's like banging on the door and stuff, and he's like pacing, like acting nervous.
21:48Where?
21:49At my house.
21:50This morning?
21:53Yeah, this morning at 2.30.
21:56PJ finds him in the bathroom at around 10am the next morning, June 9th.
22:01Three hours before Lisa's mom will discover her daughter's body.
22:05I see my grandma standing in the doorway to the bathroom, and I looked, and I'm like, oh, there's Dee.
22:11And then, he was cutting his hair off and stuff, and I asked him why he was cutting his hair off, and he just had a fresh start.
22:17Yeah.
22:18And what's his demeanor like?
22:19He was, like, nervous.
22:21Like, you can tell he was, like, really nervous.
22:26Just your personal opinion, why do you think he's cutting his hair off?
22:30Um, got in trouble.
22:32DeAndre hasn't cut his hair in two years, and he's proud of his dreadlocks.
22:38Why would he be cutting his hair off, today of all days?
22:42He asks his mom if he can take a shower and have some clothes.
22:46She gives him a change of clothes, including a pair of gray sweatpants.
22:50Clothes that he had on, um, he took them outside for some reason, and then he set it, um, by the sidewalk, and then he comes back in, and then he was...
23:03Did you see him take those clothes off?
23:04Yes.
23:05So is that why he, because you said he didn't have a shirt to wear?
23:08So, like, when do you see him take the clothes off?
23:09Um, he took, he had a hoodie on and some pants, and then he took his, uh, shirt off, or his hoodie off when he was cutting his hair, I guess, because it was already off.
23:20Mm-hmm.
23:21And then he still had the pants on and stuff, and the hoodie was on the bathroom floor.
23:25And that's when he gets out and asks him out for clothes?
23:27Yeah.
23:27And then he didn't have a shirt on, obviously?
23:29Yeah, because he didn't want to put the same clothes back on.
23:31Okay, what were those clothes?
23:32Um, I know it was a bucket hat.
23:37Um, I think it was, like, blue.
23:39You had, oh, you didn't see him have a hat.
23:40He had a hat on?
23:41Yeah.
23:41Okay.
23:42Sorry.
23:43Okay.
23:43Um, he had, like, a bucket hat on.
23:46I think it was, like, blue or something.
23:48Anything about the hoodie that you recognize?
23:50No.
23:51About the shirt?
23:52He had a hat on?
23:52No.
23:53So what, so he, when he gets to the shower, those clothes are all in the bathroom?
23:57Yeah.
23:58And then he, that's when he gets the gray pants from your mom, and he, does he ask you for a shirt?
24:01No, I just gave him one.
24:03Because you, yeah.
24:04So then what does he do with the clothes?
24:07Um, after we got off the shower, he took them outside, put them by the sidewalk where our trash can was.
24:14And then he comes back in the house, chats for a little bit and stuff.
24:19And then my grandma was cooking breakfast, and she asked him if he wanted a plate.
24:24And he said, yeah.
24:26And then that's when he went outside, back outside.
24:29And then, um, I guess the clothes that he had on the sidewalk, he put them in the trash, which they're in there now.
24:37PJ was asleep when DeAndre came home that night at around 2.30 a.m., but her sister was awake.
24:43She said that when he was banging on the door and stuff, it scared her.
24:47And she was sleeping in the living room watching Netflix when I sleep.
24:51But she was awake.
24:52You four girls there then?
24:54Sister, mom, grandma all there overnight?
24:56It was, uh, me and my mom, sister, grandma, yes.
24:59Yeah.
25:00She said that, um, she hears, like, really loud banging and stuff.
25:04And then she looks out, and she said she's seeing D.
25:07And then when she opened the door, she looked in the parkway, in the parking lot thing, in our driveway.
25:13And then she said that she's seeing a black car.
25:16And his girlfriend drives a black car.
25:19It seems strange to DeAndre's family that he showed up driving his girlfriend's car without his girlfriend.
25:26And the suspicious signs don't end there.
25:29His grandmother notices he's got other items of Lisa's property.
25:32He had, had, uh, um, I don't even know what his girlfriend's name is.
25:37But anyhow, he had, uh, gave me her ID and, and the, um, debit card.
25:45Okay.
25:46And I said, well, why, why you got her debit card?
25:49Yeah.
25:51And, and, uh, and license, you know.
25:54And I said, now she out there driving, and then she thinks she got her license, and you got it.
25:58Then this morning, he gave me two keys.
26:02Okay.
26:03And I said, well, well, who, where you get these keys from?
26:06And he said he found them on the ground.
26:09But he didn't say where he found them on the ground.
26:12And I said, well, give it, give it here.
26:14I said, then I can get in touch with her.
26:16Okay.
26:17You want to put that stuff in there?
26:20I'm going to get it back now?
26:21This here?
26:22Yeah.
26:23Is that yours?
26:24No, but I'm going to try.
26:25All right.
26:26I'm going to try to get it to her.
26:28Okay.
26:28That's what I'll do.
26:29I'll take care of it.
26:30You sure, now?
26:31Yeah.
26:31The keys, too?
26:32Yeah.
26:32All right.
26:34All right.
26:34Okay.
26:35Did he tell you what those keys were for?
26:38He just told me he found them.
26:41What did he say to you when you asked him why he had that stuff?
26:46He didn't get an answer?
26:48Just look like he's in a daze or something.
26:52DeAndre doesn't have an answer as to why he'd have Lisa's possessions.
26:57And at around midday, he leaves the house without any real word about where he's going.
27:02He said, I'm going to cut some grass.
27:04And so he asked him, where was he going to cut grass?
27:07And he just said, he's going to cut grass.
27:10Okay.
27:10And he left on foot?
27:12He left on foot.
27:14It seems like DeAndre has been trying to cover his tracks.
27:17He's made himself less recognizable, changing his clothes and throwing them in the garbage.
27:22He's been carrying many of Lisa's personal belongings, which he's handed off to his grandmother
27:27to get rid of.
27:29And he's left Lisa's car parked on the street with a handwritten for sale sign in its window.
27:34Now he's taken off on foot.
27:37His behavior is making the truth of what happened that fateful night clearer and clearer.
27:42A truth that Lisa's mom, it seems, has known all along.
27:47She said as much on her call to 911.
27:50My daughter's, my son, killed her.
27:53He dropped my head off.
27:54Heidi didn't need to catch DeAndre in the act to know what he'd done.
28:00Are you outside the apartment right now?
28:02Yes.
28:02Yes.
28:03What kind of weapon does he have?
28:05He's not here.
28:06He took her car.
28:08Okay.
28:08Now he says they're coming.
28:09So you haven't heard from her boyfriend or talked to him at all?
28:13No, I haven't.
28:14It seems she spoke too soon when she told her daughter to be grateful things had ended safely
28:20without violence.
28:23Even being mom, like, if you knew where he was at, would you tell me?
28:27I would.
28:28Like, if I knew what was going on, I would tell you.
28:31But from last night of him doing the despairing act to what's going on now, I have no clue.
28:40Like, what has transpired?
28:42Are you afraid of him?
28:43Yeah, I have an order of protection on him.
28:45Oh, I have an order of protection on him.
28:46Okay.
28:46Okay.
28:46And what prompted you to get there?
28:48He was staying with me for a couple days.
28:52And he was becoming frightening like he was going to do something.
28:56And so I was like, you got to go.
28:58And so when he left, he called my daughter back and was like, I love you guys.
29:02I'm coming back to kill you.
29:05So what actually happened inside the apartment that night between the couple walking inside
29:11at 9-11 p.m. and DeAndre coming back out just before midnight?
29:16Their downstairs neighbors have been witnesses to a lot of the violence in their relationship.
29:21Well, the past few days they've been arguing and that's nothing new.
29:25So they fight, like they used to fight all the time and it would be loud fighting and
29:31we actually had to call the cops on them before because I don't know who it was, but somebody
29:37picked something up and slammed it against the wall.
29:39We assumed it was one of them throwing each other.
29:42And on the night of June 8th, they heard it all.
29:46Last night it was different.
29:49It was like, we got home from picking me up from work.
29:53I got home from work around 9.30-ish and their front door was cracked, which is unusual.
30:029.30 p.m. last night?
30:03They don't usually leave their front door cracked and it was and that was a little weird and
30:09I heard like muffled yelling, like not screaming, but yelling in a way, kind of like in pain.
30:16Like you just like snipped your finger with a scissor and you had to put some over your mouth
30:21because you wouldn't scream too loud.
30:23That's what it sounded like.
30:25So you said it sounded like muffled screaming?
30:28Kind of, but it wasn't too loud.
30:31Okay.
30:31And then later on we heard like the apartment shakes a little bit whenever you move too much
30:38and it started shaking and we're like, okay, they must be fighting or something.
30:43And we were going to wait to see if it got better or like if it didn't because we were
30:49just going to go sit outside and wait it out.
30:51Yeah.
30:51We didn't have to deal with it.
30:53And so whenever that was happening, that apartment was shaking, they were fighting about something
31:01and then all of a sudden the screaming got really, really loud and really intense.
31:07And that was, I would say probably about 945, 950.
31:13And then the apartment had like five or six loud like thuds and they got louder and louder
31:21each time.
31:23Okay.
31:24And they shook the apartment as well.
31:27And that sounded more like it was coming from.
31:31So what did it sound like experienced in life to your best ability?
31:37That would have created or possibly created the sound that you heard?
31:45Probably.
31:47I really don't know other than like chopping wood.
31:51Okay.
31:52Because that's what it felt like he had enough.
31:56I didn't mean to say he, but like, you know, that's what it sounded like there was enough
32:00time to do was like, it was very constant beats too.
32:06Okay.
32:07So that's what made me think it sounded like that.
32:10So do you think it sounded like, um, like an instrument hitting something?
32:16Or do you think, or what, something of the, something is making you, you know, kind of envision that
32:24through sound, you know what I mean?
32:25Like if we hear something and we, and our brain is going to take that information in, right?
32:30What we're hearing, smelling, feeling, and we're going to kind of like paint this mental picture,
32:34right?
32:34Right.
32:35So, um, what about that sound makes you think chopping wood?
32:40It was more of how steady it was.
32:45Okay.
32:45Because when you chop wood, you know, you got to lift it up, you got to hold it, and
32:49then you got to put all your weight into it and all your muscle.
32:52Yeah.
32:52And when you do it, you go.
32:54And you kind of got a rhythm.
32:56Yeah.
32:56Okay.
32:57And it had like four or five, six of those beats, and then it just stopped.
33:03The screaming stopped, the sound stopped, the shaking stopped, everything stopped.
33:09That chopping sound, something the neighbors couldn't bring themselves to consider, was
33:14the sound of Lisa's head being cut off.
33:17At that point, we heard somebody walk outside, but we didn't, we weren't able to see because
33:23we just glanced down the window, and from the window that, um, the awning is right there,
33:29so we can't see down on the patio deck area, and, uh, so we couldn't see who it was, but
33:36they were out there for about two minutes, and then they came back in, and they came upstairs,
33:42but I was too scared to see who it was.
33:46And then what?
33:47Um, we went outside to see if we, okay, so my best friend came up.
33:53And, because I was like, hey, something's going on, I'm not feeling so right about this.
34:00And she was like, I'll come stay outside with you.
34:02So we were standing out, waiting for one of them to come downstairs, because usually after
34:07they fight, one of them comes downstairs.
34:10Okay.
34:10Neither one of them did, but the lights upstairs in our apartment kept turning on and off.
34:16Okay.
34:16So we knew somebody was up there, we just, we assumed it was Lisey.
34:23Okay.
34:25But we didn't see either one of them.
34:27The neighbor texted their landlord.
34:31She wrote, hey, I don't really know what to do.
34:33We got home, and as soon as we walked in, we started feeling thumps, and then someone
34:37started screaming for like five minutes straight.
34:40It stopped for a minute, then the thumping started back up.
34:44The neighbor's door upstairs was also cracked open.
34:47The landlord tried to get in touch with Lisey, but heard nothing in response.
34:51The neighbor said, if we hear it back up again, we'll call the cops, but they didn't hear
34:58it start back up again, because it was already too late.
35:02With all of this evidence mounting up, at around 9.30pm on June 9th, the police execute
35:08a search warrant on DeAndre's mother's house.
35:11In the trash can outside it, in line with PJ's statement, they find the discarded clothing
35:16he was wearing in the CCTV footage, as well as his cut-off dreadlocks wrapped in toilet
35:22paper.
35:23There's no sign of DeAndre himself.
35:26But at 1.45am, the early hours of June 10th, the investigators receive a phone call from
35:32the Gillespie, Illinois Police Department.
35:34That afternoon, they took a John Doe into custody, whom they later recognized as none
35:39other than DeAndre Holloway.
35:42The Alton Police Department had been gearing up for a manhunt.
35:46But there's no need.
35:48DeAndre was arrested in possession of cannabis that afternoon in Gillespie.
35:52You searching?
35:54Uh, yeah.
35:54Still have a name.
35:56That's okay.
35:56I've got a name.
35:57What do I have?
35:59What's that?
35:59What do I have?
36:00You have cannabis on you.
36:01Oh, I see.
36:02Okay, exactly.
36:03Right.
36:04DeAndre is restless with the officers.
36:07You need some water or anything?
36:08Yeah, I would like some water, because you know, you guys got to, uh, hold on.
36:12Hey, you need some water?
36:14Yeah.
36:14Okay, please.
36:15Just some water.
36:16Is it okay if I walk around?
36:19Is it okay if I stand up and take a step, or a couple steps?
36:22What's he going to do?
36:22Why you got to do that?
36:23Pull your pants up or something like that?
36:24Yeah.
36:25Okay, that's fine.
36:27That's it.
36:28Yours one?
36:28Not, he's doing his job.
36:29This man has done nothing but his job.
36:32I swear to you.
36:33You need to sit back down in your chair, please.
36:35Didn't you just say I could pace?
36:37No, I didn't say you could pace.
36:38I thought you said you had to get deep pants.
36:40If you could sit down in there, please.
36:42Do you mind if I pace?
36:43Is that illegal?
36:44I'm just standing.
36:44I'm here.
36:46I'm handcuffed, ain't it?
36:46We don't want that.
36:48We want you to sit down.
36:49Exactly.
36:49I know you don't want that.
36:50So, if you could please sit down, guys.
36:52I can't.
36:52I'm handcuffed.
36:53Yeah, you can.
36:54You can't do shit.
36:54You can't do shit.
36:54I literally can't do anything.
36:56I'm handcuffed.
36:56You need to sit down.
36:57Why are you outstairing me for what?
36:59I'm not scared.
36:59You need to sit down.
37:00How?
37:00If I'm literally sitting here, pacing, handcuffed.
37:02I can't do shit.
37:04You got to sit down.
37:04He serves to me.
37:05Okay, so what's your name?
37:10What's it going to do?
37:11I literally asked if I was being detained.
37:13That man said no.
37:16And then, he proceeded to ask me the same question over and over and over.
37:21And I said the same thing.
37:23And again, he's just not having it because he's got an attitude problem with me.
37:33I got an attitude problem, too.
37:35I know I got one.
37:35I got one.
37:36That's why I'm not sitting down.
37:38But you know I can make you sit down, so I'm not.
37:41Do it.
37:41Do it.
37:42What did I just say?
37:42Do it.
37:43Sit me down.
37:43I said I could.
37:44Do it.
37:45I'm not going to do it.
37:46Because you're scared.
37:46I'm handcuffed.
37:47Scared for what?
37:48Do it.
37:49You know, guy, we're not going to get into this.
37:53I appreciate it.
37:53Don't you just be mean to me now?
37:55I'm not being mean to you.
37:56I appreciate it.
37:56I said you're pacing back and forth.
37:58And you said, well, set me down.
38:00And I said I could if I wanted to, but I don't want to.
38:02He's behaving manically, pacing, and repeatedly questioning the officers.
38:08At one point, he starts to laugh and bang his head against the wall.
38:15Uh-uh.
38:16Don't do that.
38:17Do the fuck you did that?
38:18Come on in here.
38:19Don't do that.
38:19Do something.
38:20That's what I'm saying.
38:21Don't do that.
38:22Do something.
38:22Don't do that.
38:23That's what I'm saying.
38:24Don't do that.
38:26No.
38:29Get him out of the floor.
38:30Take me, buddy.
38:32The cops take drastic measures to restrain him from hurting himself.
38:37They keep him on the floor as he assures them he's going to get out.
38:41Just all my folks will come get me out.
38:44Well, we don't know your name, so.
38:46Exactly.
38:46Just all my folks will be there to get me out.
38:48Who's your coach?
38:49I know who you're going to.
38:49Don't worry about it.
38:51He still refuses to tell them who he is.
38:54But it doesn't matter.
38:55The investigators from Alton come to arrest him on suspicion of Lisa's murder.
39:00They carry out a warrant for DNA, fingerprints, and other samples.
39:06And at around midday the next day, June 10th, nearly 24 hours since the discovery of Lisa's
39:12body, the investigators sit down with DeAndre for an interview.
39:16But DeAndre's not talking.
39:18He refuses to give them any information, even his name, which they already know.
39:24He just keeps saying he wants to go to work, though it's not clear if he's actually employed.
39:30He also says he's dissociated, and that he's once been prescribed medication by a doctor.
39:38After this, he asks for his lawyer, and the investigators comply, terminating the interview.
39:44On June 13th, DeAndre is charged with two counts of first-degree murder, two counts of
39:49intentional homicide of an unborn child, a human body, offenses relating to motor vehicles,
39:56and concealment of homicidal death. Bond is set at $2 million.
40:01The case leads to a lot of local emotion, including from the police chief.
40:07What happened to 22-year-old Lisa Dodd, who had just moved to this place in Alton,
40:18is beyond irreverensable. It is completely terrible what happened to her.
40:24Her unborn child was also killed as a result of this.
40:29DeAndre's family, however, entreat the public to take the nuances of his circumstances into account.
40:35His stepfather, Chris Hawk, takes to YouTube to talk about it on June 16th.
40:40I never thought I would be recording a video like this.
40:43First of all, I want to offer my condolences to the Dodd family.
40:48I cannot imagine what you must be going through.
40:55I'm not going to deny that what happened was an extreme act of evil.
41:03It was. I don't know how else to explain it.
41:06It was an act of evil.
41:07I don't know if there's a word that describes it.
41:12And over here, we are ashamed.
41:17His mom, his sister, we're all shocked.
41:23We knew he was capable of violence, but we never saw this.
41:32We tried to get...
41:35We've been trying to get help for him for at least three years.
41:42But as far as longer-term mental care,
41:45we were always told that we can't hold them unless they've done something.
41:51He doesn't deny the horror of what DeAndre's done.
41:56But he attributes DeAndre's actions to his mental state,
41:59something his family has been trying to do something about for years.
42:03But he says the system wouldn't let them.
42:06Our system fails.
42:08People with mental problems.
42:10I've grown up in an environment with mental problems.
42:17And people are kind of left on their own.
42:19And it's a tragic situation.
42:28This is the D that we knew.
42:34They're old pictures, but they show that there is a human there.
42:39A human does exist.
42:45He's not a monster.
42:47What he did was...
42:48What he did was monstrous.
42:52He's not a monster.
42:53I'm not advocating that DeAndre should ever be allowed to enter civilized society again.
43:05I mean, he's obviously crossed a line there.
43:08I'm not advocating anything like that.
43:11I'm just saying there's a human being here, and it's tragic.
43:14It's tragic what mental illness has done to him.
43:17These are the early days of the case, when DeAndre's only just been charged, and he's
43:23not doing well in jail.
43:25He's been refusing to come out of his cell and making threats to corrections officers.
43:30These included saying,
43:32I will cut off your head.
43:34He refuses to attend his virtual court appointment on June 14th, and officers forcibly restrain
43:40him to bring him to court.
43:42These issues remain in his case.
43:45He's found mentally unfit to stand trial, and undergoes treatment at a state institution
43:50until he regains competency to face the charges.
43:54At the same time, the Illinois Supreme Court rules that an unborn child cannot be considered
43:59a second murder victim for the purpose of seeking a life sentence.
44:04This impacts the sentence that can be sought in DeAndre's case.
44:07But in January 2024, he enters a guilty plea.
44:13On January 17th, 2025, he is sentenced to 60 years in prison.
44:18This includes 30 years on the murder charge, 20 on the homicide charge, and 10 on the concealment
44:24charge to be served consecutively.
44:27He'll have to serve at least 52 years before he's eligible to be released.
44:32There remain no real answers as to why he killed Lisa.
44:36Though there's plenty of speculation out there.
44:39Jealous that she was having another man's baby, snapping under the stress of a failing
44:44relationship, or just finally going too far in a continued pattern of violence.
44:50We'll never know the truth.
44:52Lisa's family, meanwhile, continues to mourn.
44:55We're here to announce that DeAndre Holloway was convicted and sentenced in the murder of
45:03Lisa Dodd and her unborn child to date to 60 years in prison.
45:08And I want to introduce Heidi, Lisa's mother and grandmother of the unborn daughter, to get
45:14a few words, um, reflecting on today's verdict.
45:18I would like to thank the many law enforcement agencies that collaborated on my daughter's
45:24case.
45:25A special thank you to Officer Wilmersberg of the Alton Police Department for his excellent
45:29work on this case.
45:31I am forever grateful for your time and wisdom.
45:33This is a tragic outcome of a two-year on-and-off-again domestic violence relationship.
45:38This didn't have to end this way.
45:40My daughter should be here raising her toddler instead of being a casualty of domestic violence.
45:45If you have a mental instability or mental illness, seek treatment and be consistent with
45:50your treatment.
45:51Understand that your condition or illness will not keep you from being held accountable
45:55for the crimes you commit.
45:57If you are in a domestic violence relationship, if someone is emotionally, mentally, or physically
46:02abusing you, make a safe plan to leave that relationship.
46:06If they continually disrespect your boundaries, make demeaning comments, and control your every
46:11movement, this is abuse.
46:13Find the resolve to leave that relationship.
46:16If someone threatens to end your life, believe them.
46:19If they can say it, think it, and talk about it, they can carry out the threat.
46:23Reach out to your local, regional, or national resources that are available to assist you
46:29in making a safe plan to leave.
46:31Your life depends on it.
46:32It isn't easy, and it may be one of the hardest things you do, but your life is important,
46:37and you are worthy and deserve a life free from abuse.
46:41I just want to say that you don't often see the kind of strength that the family of Lisa
46:48Lisa has exhibited in this case, incredible strength, incredible grace in the courtroom
46:53today with her statements to the defendant, defendant to the life of her daughter and
46:59granddaughter, and who over years, as she said, had abused them, and is now going to face
47:05decades of praising her for the crime of murder for two lives, not just one, the mother and
47:13the unborn child, and I just want to commend the family to say that it is very inspirational
47:20to see the kind of strength that you've shown, and I'm sure that everyone in the courtroom
47:24experienced the same thing.
47:26I also want to say this.
47:27This case has a deep meaning, I think, to every mother, and there were aspects of this
47:34case related to the unborn child who died that were extremely moving.
47:38One in which, you know, Lisa's last act, her hand was resting on a book about pregnancy.
47:48So her last thought was probably about her unborn child, and so there's a beauty there in those
47:53last moments, and I think that she's with us now.
47:57Her mom wrote to their GoFundMe page,
48:00This sentence brings some resolution to a heinous crime.
48:04No sentence or amount of time will bring my daughter or granddaughter back, but this sentence
48:10should ensure he's not able to hurt anyone else.
48:14As I mentioned in the previous update, any donations received will be donated to our local
48:19domestic violence resource.
48:21The GoFundMe has made $16,000 so far.
48:25And as we end this story, we leave you with a poem Lisa once shared on her Facebook page.
48:34After a while, you learn the subtle difference between holding a hand and chaining a soul.
48:41And you learn that love doesn't mean leaning, and company doesn't mean security.
48:47And you begin to learn that kisses aren't contracts, and presents aren't promises.
48:53And you begin to accept your defeats with your head up and your eyes open,
48:58with the grace of a woman, not the grief of a child.
49:01And you learn to build all your roads on today,
49:05because tomorrow's ground is too uncertain for plans.
49:08And futures have a way of falling down in mid-flight.
49:13After a while, you learn that even sunshine burns if you get too much.
49:18So you plant your own garden and decorate your own soul,
49:21instead of waiting for someone to bring you flowers.
49:24And you learn that you really can endure.
49:27That you really are strong.
49:29And you really do have worth.
49:32And you learn and learn.
49:34With every goodbye, you learn.
49:36Find me
49:37The End
49:38The End
49:38The End
49:39The End
49:40The End
49:40The End
49:41The End
49:42Oh, yeah.
49:52Oh, yeah.
50:08Help me.
50:12Oh, yeah.
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