Emmerdale S54 E177 Friday 19th Septemebr 2025

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00:00Thank you very much.

00:30Oh, come on. It's too soon.

00:40This is the detective running things.

00:43Have you found him?

00:48Not yet, no.

00:51But we've spoken to Aaron.

00:53And we do know from the CCTV footage

00:56that it was John Sugden

00:58who dropped you off here yesterday.

01:03He did see he wasn't a killer.

01:08So he did talk to you.

01:10What can't you see? He's exhausted.

01:12Look, I won't drag this out if you're not up to it.

01:20But right now, you and Aaron

01:24are the only ones who can tell us what he's done.

01:27John loved to play the hero.

01:41If someone crossed him, he'd deliberately put them in danger.

01:46Near death, not to punish them, but to save them and save the day.

01:50So everyone would see him as good, important, and as necessary.

01:57And they did.

01:59You're a hero.

02:00And a real-life one at that.

02:03He was trusted.

02:05He was always there, calm.

02:08Chas, it's me, John.

02:09Can you hear me?

02:10Oh, my God, Chas.

02:11She's not responding.

02:12Helping people, advising,

02:15giving them their life back

02:16when it suited him.

02:23Hurting them,

02:24then winning them over, one by one.

02:27All of us, including me.

02:30But Robert was different.

02:32John couldn't win Robert over.

02:34Couldn't get at him.

02:36So he tried to frame him.

02:37Yeah.

02:42John hates Robert.

02:45Chas.

02:46When can I see him?

02:47He needs some time.

02:50Look, I'm glad you're out.

02:52And I'm grateful,

02:53but you need to keep your distance, please.

02:55Aaron would be dead if it wasn't for him.

02:57But he's not dead.

02:59And I'm his mum.

03:01It's not asking much.

03:02You didn't nearly lose him.

03:03Yeah, me too.

03:04Come on.

03:05Don't make it worse.

03:07And then there's Nate.

03:18Nate was the only one to die.

03:20It was unintentional, maybe,

03:22but that won't bring him back.

03:27And now I've got to tell his dad

03:29how it happened.

03:29All I could focus on was you.

03:42Stop it.

03:44Honestly, it was...

03:47darkness.

03:49And then it was...

03:51nothing.

03:51I was in there for weeks, wasn't I?

04:00In the end, he gave me a syringe

04:04so I could take the easy way out,

04:05and that was, um...

04:07a real low point.

04:11It was so low, Charity.

04:12I can't believe, I can't believe

04:17I thought I'd be better off gone.

04:20I feel so guilty

04:22if I left you

04:24and the kids.

04:25Hey.

04:26You are never,

04:28ever getting rid of us.

04:31You promised that.

04:33You say that again, please.

04:34Copy.

04:43That's good timing, thank you.

04:45Look, I'm, er...

04:46I'm glad you're doing OK.

04:49Poor Tracey's coming back later.

04:50She's just been to see Nate's mum.

04:53God, poor Trace.

04:56Right.

05:04What did you do tonight?

05:16Can I sit?

05:17Only if you want to be seen with the grass.

05:19I never called you that.

05:21As good as.

05:23I was just worried

05:24that you might have got scared

05:25and told the police something yesterday.

05:28That's not grass, it's...

05:29it's more just normal human behaviour.

05:32Would Ray agree with that?

05:34He's not all that bad, alright?

05:36Then why would he tell us

05:37when this debt's going to be paid off?

05:39It should be simple.

05:41You owe this,

05:42you pay that,

05:43then it's gone.

05:44He's trying his best for us, alright?

05:46He's got people above him,

05:47much higher,

05:48more scary.

05:49Yeah, so he keeps saying.

05:51No, he does, alright?

05:52I believe him, he's a good mate.

05:55Dylan.

05:56He's an old man

05:57that makes kids

05:58drop off drugs for me.

06:03She wants to see us.

06:08God, I am so sick of being scared.

06:11Well, can't change it, can we?

06:13Or maybe we can.

06:15There is police

06:17everywhere in this village

06:19and I bet you

06:20he has got drugs in his car right now.

06:21If we're shopping, that's it.

06:22Debt wiped out.

06:23Yeah, and him wiped out.

06:25And probably me and you and all.

06:26God, we wish you never met me, eh?

06:34Don't be daft.

06:35Come on,

06:36we're talking around.

06:39There's probably a lot

06:40to get your head around.

06:42But he had to be seen

06:44as some kind of saviour.

06:46So he would

06:47drug people

06:48or do

06:50whatever to them

06:51to get them into a store

06:52like Jacob.

06:53and then he would

06:55bring them back.

06:57Mostly.

07:00Sorry,

07:00this is him

07:01a lot

07:02and I'm in a lot of meds.

07:04No.

07:05Keep going.

07:11Well, this probably

07:13isn't going to help you at all.

07:16I bet Nate

07:16was an accident.

07:18It was.

07:20He was in pain

07:21and

07:23John gave him

07:24a shot of something

07:25and he had a bad

07:25allergic reaction.

07:27That's it.

07:29You're going on

07:30the word of a killer.

07:32Well,

07:32he didn't have any reason

07:33to lie to me then.

07:36He was wracked

07:36with guilt about Nate.

07:39In the end,

07:40it was him

07:41that brought me here.

07:44Erm,

07:45Moira's here.

07:46You don't have to go.

07:50No,

07:50you don't need to

07:51keep going over this

07:51and I've got to,

07:52erm,

07:53check in with others.

07:56Cain,

07:57whatever you think

07:59about Aaron,

08:00he could not have known

08:01what John was capable of.

08:03You did,

08:04at first,

08:04and so did Robert.

08:07He tried to kill Aaron

08:08and himself.

08:11But they survived.

08:12John would be better off

08:20doing life in prison

08:21than five minutes

08:21in a room with him.

08:26Oh,

08:26try and book up, mate.

08:27She's taken a while

08:28to sink in.

08:30Spent weeks

08:30counselling a killer.

08:32And nobody knows

08:34who anyone else is

08:35on that helpline.

08:35That's the whole point.

08:36And I'm glad he had you

08:37to talk to

08:38cos things could have

08:39been even worse.

08:41I thought you didn't

08:41fancy any lunch.

08:42Ah, blame me.

08:43I need some chips.

08:45I'm stressed

08:45and a bit freaked out,

08:46to be honest.

08:48I saw Robert earlier.

08:49At least one person's

08:49got a reason to celebrate.

08:51Yeah, you know the police

08:52are all over our building

08:52cos John lived upstairs.

08:54Yeah, we just found out

08:55he was one who took

08:56Mike to hospital.

08:57So he wants to have

08:57a conscience.

09:00So you were counselling,

09:01John?

09:03How do you know?

09:04I heard you talking to him.

09:07I'm not supposed to be

09:08talking about this

09:09at all.

09:10Well, he killed my nephew

09:11and you want to protect

09:11his privacy.

09:13So, did he speak

09:14about the things he'd done?

09:15Look, I'm not a priest.

09:16If anybody said

09:17anything illegal,

09:18I would speak up.

09:19Well, without the facts,

09:20people are going to speculate.

09:22Yeah, or they could just

09:23order and eat the dinner.

09:24Well said, that man.

09:26Okay, yeah.

09:27Sorry.

09:31I can't believe

09:32we trusted John

09:33like we did.

09:34Yeah, well,

09:35I suppose when someone

09:36tells you they'll dispose

09:36of a body for you,

09:38you've got a question

09:38what kind of crazy they are.

09:42Knew that John

09:42was a right wrong'un.

09:44How'd they even met him?

09:45He couldn't have been

09:46more of a wrong'un

09:46if he had wrong'un

09:47tatted on his forehead,

09:48all right?

09:51It won't help,

09:52all right,

09:52you going off on.

09:53All right?

09:54It's not all that bad,

09:54I've told you.

09:57Well,

09:58what a bear.

10:03First,

10:03you lose my gear

10:07and then Flossie there

10:10ends up in a police car.

10:12My ulcer

10:13has doubled in size

10:14since you two came along.

10:17Have you anything to say?

10:20Have you tried Gaviscon?

10:23I want to know

10:24when this debt's going to be done

10:25and I want it in writing.

10:29You are suddenly

10:30very sassy today.

10:31Get in.

10:36Not you.

10:38Just Flossie there.

10:42I'll be okay.

10:44Oh.

10:45I can see

10:45who wears the trousers

10:46in your relationship.

10:47Why can't I come?

10:48Because I've got a

10:49splitting headache

10:49and I don't want

10:50two teenagers

10:51yapping in my ear hole.

11:01John didn't finish Aaron off,

11:20but I might.

11:20Sorry, look,

11:25I need to get

11:25to the village.

11:27But listen,

11:28it's not his fault, okay?

11:29Cain, I promise you,

11:49I didn't know.

11:51All right.

11:52Calm down.

11:54Don't want to be

11:54upsetting your mother.

11:56Why the phone silence?

11:58I just needed time

11:58to think.

12:00You know how it is,

12:00you know,

12:01when your son's been murdered

12:02by a family member

12:02from round of your nose.

12:04I didn't know.

12:05Tell him.

12:07Tell him you believe him.

12:08Tell him you know

12:08he had nothing to do

12:09with any of it.

12:14Look him in the eye

12:15and say he wasn't

12:17manipulating you

12:18about Anthony.

12:21What?

12:22Was he using

12:22what we did to Anthony

12:24as a way of keeping you

12:25quiet for the other

12:26things that he'd done?

12:28Just admit it.

12:30See, I told you,

12:31didn't I?

12:33You know what?

12:35I've always been a fool

12:36when it comes to you.

12:38He said that you'd

12:39blame him.

12:40I said he was wrong.

12:41We loved Nate,

12:45okay,

12:46and we are devastated,

12:47so you know what?

12:47Just get out.

13:04Getting lifted

13:05by the police like that,

13:08well, you have brought

13:08trouble to everyone's door now.

13:10All right.

13:12And have they been

13:13to your door?

13:15It's a figure of speech.

13:17Yeah.

13:19Yeah, just like,

13:20you can do a few more

13:21drop-offs for us

13:21and then your debt

13:22will be cleared, right?

13:23And it will be,

13:24eventually.

13:25But there's the interest

13:26that them upstairs

13:27have added,

13:28and because you got lifted

13:29and because you caused

13:30trouble,

13:31I'm afraid my hands are tied.

13:33Hang on now.

13:34What interest?

13:35It's not a bank.

13:37It's just like a bank,

13:39actually,

13:39only slightly more terrifying.

13:41And all debt

13:42has interest.

13:44I thought you were

13:44the bright one.

13:46You should know

13:47if you don't already

13:48that I am a dingle.

13:49Right.

13:50Well,

13:51I should have worn

13:52my brown trousers.

13:53Yeah, well,

13:54on your head,

13:54be it.

13:55Look, me and your family

14:00inhabit very different spheres.

14:04Now, I admire this

14:05all-new feisty you,

14:08but you're going to have

14:08to do a lot more

14:09than that to scare me.

14:10What are you doing?

14:15Shut up!

14:15How are you?

14:16Ah!

14:18Ah!

14:19Come here!

14:23Come here,

14:23you little witch!

14:29Come on.

14:31Do what you like

14:32because I don't care.

14:32Good.

14:34Because I have a shovel

14:35in the back

14:36and I'm going to dig a hole

14:37and stick you in it.

14:38Yeah, I'll lie down

14:39so you can measure me up.

14:40There is nothing

14:41you can do

14:42that's worse than what I've had.

14:43Oh, you reckon?

14:45Yeah.

14:45Yeah, I do.

14:46Because my mum's dead,

14:47I was treated like dirt

14:48on the streets,

14:49my friend was murdered

14:50and I saw my baby go

14:51dead on the toilet floor.

14:52So, yeah,

14:53why would you think

14:54I'd be scared

14:54of what you've got?

14:58That's, um,

15:00that's quite a list

15:00of disasters.

15:03I should call you lucky.

15:07Look, get in.

15:08No more funny stuff.

15:11Yeah, you're the clown.

15:15Well done for yesterday.

15:17Not everyone's got

15:18Duke of Edinburgh awards

15:19and a squeaky clean past.

15:21Not even Jay.

15:22So, um,

15:24as long as you are clean now.

15:26Er, yeah, I am.

15:27You know, even Paddy

15:28can vouch for me.

15:29I don't need him to.

15:31This is your fresh start, yeah?

15:33Thanks.

15:34I'll see you at the depot

15:35tomorrow then.

15:37Don't mess it up.

15:42You sure about him?

15:43He needs a leg up

15:45and I need a project

15:47to keep my mind off

15:47you-know-what.

15:49If John says anything

15:50about Anthony,

15:51it'll be worse for him.

15:53Not if he's got

15:53nothing to lose.

15:55He might even get a kick

15:56out of having his husband

15:57in prison with him.

15:58Who knows?

15:59Maybe he likes

16:00getting people sent down

16:01as much as he does

16:01nearly killing them.

16:04Find your brother.

16:05Speak to him.

16:06I will.

16:08Good.

16:08First, he needs a shoulder

16:10to cry on

16:11and then a plan for John.

16:14We've got to do something.

16:19So,

16:19it turns out

16:21they stole Rona's embryos

16:23and made baby Ivy

16:24without her even knowing.

16:26You're putting me

16:27off my food.

16:29Yeah, but how strange

16:30is that?

16:32And

16:32also, are you sure

16:33it's not all the rubbish

16:34you eat that's making

16:35your ulcer worse?

16:36You're a dietitian now

16:38as well, are you?

16:39So, how did your mum die?

16:42She killed herself.

16:44Oh, well.

16:47Yeah, that's, um,

16:48that's rotten.

16:49Is it as rotten

16:50as making kids

16:51sell drugs for you?

16:53It was to protect me.

16:55Oh, that's what

16:56they told me anyway.

16:58She was a copper.

17:00She, um,

17:00jumped off a

17:01multi-story car park

17:02and took something

17:03wrong on with her.

17:06That was your mother?

17:09Yeah.

17:10No way.

17:12The ball's on her.

17:14The day

17:15that Gary North died,

17:17he was going to start

17:18cutting my fingers off

17:19one by one

17:20and then

17:20other parts.

17:24Your mum

17:24saved my life.

17:27Small world, eh?

17:28Mm, yeah.

17:30So, if she did that

17:31for you,

17:32then maybe you could

17:33return the favour

17:33and let me and Dylan

17:34walk away.

17:36Don't push it.

17:37A debt

17:38is still a debt,

17:39Flossie.

17:40There is only one

17:41fairytale ending

17:42in this relationship

17:43and I have got it.

17:44So, out you get.

17:48You're walking.

17:50Play nicely

17:51after this

17:52and I'll put a good word

17:53in for you.

17:53I liked you, April.

17:55I like you.

17:56I might still

17:58have to kill you.

18:01But if I kill you first...

18:22Hi.

18:22Come in.

18:23Hey, Therese.

18:26Uh, is Frankie here?

18:31Yeah, she's upstairs.

18:32We've just got back

18:32from Cara's.

18:33Um, why are the police

18:35everywhere?

18:37Tracy, I, uh,

18:38I need to tell you

18:39something.

18:40You might want

18:41to sit down.

18:43He's blaming you

18:44because he feels guilty.

18:47I mean, we all do it

18:48at times, but

18:49Cain is the real

18:50expert.

18:53I just can't leave

18:54the village.

18:54Poof, over my dead body.

18:56Oh.

18:58Wow.

19:01You look awful.

19:02I told you

19:03to leave him alone.

19:06I had to come.

19:08It'll only take a minute.

19:10One minute.

19:11everybody was fought by him.

19:28Not you.

19:28I suppose we all revert back

19:33to types, don't we?

19:35I blame myself

19:36and then lash out.

19:40Cain blames everybody

19:41but himself

19:42and then lashes out anyway.

19:45Which type am I?

19:46the I told you so type

19:49and you'll use it

19:52against me

19:53or use it

19:55to get back in with me.

19:55What are you doing now?

19:57Aaron.

19:59I want to help.

20:01Oh, you can't.

20:03Nobody can

20:03because I'm stuck

20:04with it now.

20:06I had it under control

20:07on the gorge

20:08with John.

20:09I was getting through

20:09to him and then

20:10you showed up.

20:12You just couldn't

20:13help yourself, could you?

20:14Aaron.

20:14I don't even

20:15want to hear it, Robert.

20:16Just...

20:18Please, just

20:19leave me alone.

20:37Now's not the right time, Caleb.

20:40Listen.

20:41Um,

20:42if the police don't find him

20:43we will, trust me.

20:45See you.

20:46I just want to scrub

20:47everywhere with bleach.

20:49The whole place.

20:50I mean, it was bad enough

20:51him turning us all

20:52against each other

20:53but letting me blame you

20:55for everything.

20:56He was sat right there

20:57when he did it

20:58in Nate's home.

21:01He's been laughing at us all.

21:03Come here.

21:04Come on.

21:09Why is he alive

21:11when Nate's gone?

21:13I've been worried sick.

21:19It's okay.

21:19I'm okay.

21:21I can feel people

21:22looking at me.

21:23Do you think that

21:24I knew?

21:25No.

21:26Where have you been, Robert?

21:27I thought you'd gone.

21:29Everything I need's right here.

21:32I'm going nowhere.

21:33I'm going nowhere.

21:40I'm not looking at me.

21:47I'm going nowhere.

21:52I'm not looking at me.

21:52I'm going nowhere.

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