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00:30Mother, how are you?
00:34I'm in Venice, dear boy.
00:36My heart simply aches for the ruined grandeur of the place.
00:40Zelda informed me she asked you to run the rule over some new chap she's rather keen on, and you refused.
00:48Jasper, if it's your intention to ruin my grand tour, you're doing an excellent job.
00:54Mother, I can assure you.
00:56Arrivederci.
01:00Sous-titrage ST' 501
01:30Bruno, are you joining us?
01:43Maybe later.
02:00You neglected to tell me that this Peter of yours resides in an old folks' home.
02:24It's a retirement village.
02:27Luxurious, later-life living.
02:30He drives an F-type Jag. I want you to be nice.
02:33I thought you wanted my opinion.
02:35Jazza, you know Wilfred pretty well.
02:40I asked him, you know, quite casually if he'd like to go for a drink.
02:43He said yes.
02:45Then he didn't turn up.
02:47I don't understand why he'd do that.
02:51When I was seven, a girl moved in across the street.
02:54I decided that I liked her.
02:56Did you ask her out?
02:57No. I threw a stone at her.
02:59I spy the lady.
03:13She seems to have brought a chaperone.
03:16Zelda!
03:18You're like a burst of spring.
03:19This is my nephew, Jasper.
03:21Very pleased to meet you.
03:25Ah.
03:27This is my daughter.
03:30Miss Snares.
03:31Oh, you know each other?
03:33We work together.
03:35Synchronicity.
03:36Everything happens for a reason.
03:38No, this is a chance occurrence easily misconstrued via cognitive bias.
03:43You must be Professor Tempest.
03:44Ingrid told me you were a lot of fun.
03:47Oh.
03:48Um, maybe I should get some pins.
03:50Good idea.
03:51I'll help.
03:54So, Aunty Zelda.
03:57Your mother's sister?
03:59Yes.
04:00Married three times?
04:01You didn't tell me.
04:02Why would I?
04:03I had absolutely no idea.
04:05I'm picking up the vibes.
04:11Vibes?
04:12Just looking out for my father.
04:29Mum?
04:30Oh, Dennis.
04:36Are you okay?
04:37It's my dad.
04:38I can't seem to get into his apartment.
04:40Well, is it locked?
04:41I'm not sure.
04:43Julie, do you have the master key?
04:44Right here.
04:45Thanks.
04:57It's not locked.
05:00Something's blocking the door.
05:06Oh, God.
05:08Eddie?
05:09No, no.
05:11Eddie!
05:12Dad!
05:13I don't know!
05:14Dad, no!
05:14I don't know!
05:16No, no, no.
05:18No, no, no.
05:24No, no, no.
05:25No, no, no.
05:28No, no, no.
05:29No, no, no, no.
05:30No, no, no.
06:00I told you, vibes. I'm never wrong.
06:27Yes, although you were referring to my art.
06:29Vibes are vibes. Only a fool would ignore them.
06:31I can see you're wondering why we're here.
06:34Crossed my mind.
06:35I was chaperoning my aunt.
06:37She was visiting my father.
06:38And he has now driven her home.
06:40Gruesome murder. Not ideal on a date.
06:43I can furnish you with the details of what occurred.
06:46Abby Summers, visiting her father, enters the wrong apartment and then is attacked and killed by hit and tear old Eddie Baines.
06:53Is there any need for you to still be here?
06:55I thought I could be of some assistance.
06:58Like the last time when you nearly got everyone killed.
07:00We don't really need that sort of assistance.
07:02Who found the body?
07:13Julie. Julie Norman. Works on reception. Doubles up as a physio.
07:18Was the door locked?
07:19No. She took the master key in case it was, but it was open.
07:23Okay. And was she alone?
07:24She was with Dennis Baines. Dennis is the son of the man.
07:28Eddie's son. And where are they?
07:30They're in the dining room. Eddie's sedated and Judy's keeping an eye on him.
07:33Okay. What can you tell us about Eddie?
07:35Well, he's been with us for two years. Recently been going downhill.
07:40He scored seven out of 30 on the GP dementia test. Dennis was not ready to accept it.
07:46I tried to convince him that Eddie should be in a care home and he thought the solution was a better apartment.
07:51It's, um, it's unusual, right, for dementia sufferers to be violent.
07:55Eddie came to us after a break into his house. The burglars had beaten him quite badly. Last week, he went for Julie.
08:03Why?
08:04Well, she went into his apartment to give him the physio and he just took a swing at her. And luckily, he didn't connect.
08:10My daughter's car is in the car park. Where is she? Will someone please tell me what the hell is going on?
08:17I'm with the police. I'm afraid I have some very bad news. Have you got anywhere we can sit down?
08:22Of course, yeah. What's going on? Would you like to follow us?
08:25Tell me she's all right.
08:31Why are you not at school?
08:39Would you like me to repeat the question?
08:41I'm not well.
08:45And yet you are engaged in schoolwork.
08:48I never had a day of school, but if I had, I imagine I would have spent it much like you are.
08:54With my books.
08:56Sorry. Who are you?
08:59Professor Jasper Tempest.
09:01Marie. Supervised use only. I shouldn't need to tell you.
09:07Sorry. Who did you say you were?
09:10A police consultant.
09:13People will tell you it will get better.
09:16And it might.
09:18Then again, for some of us,
09:20the struggle never ends.
09:22Excuse me, I really don't think this is appropriate.
09:25The truth is always appropriate.
09:27She was like this when you arrived.
09:37Staff moved her. She was blocking the doorway.
09:41Hammer.
09:42Titanium. Not cheap.
09:44The home had worked on the roof last week.
09:46Director reckons the old guy must have nicked it.
09:48Scared of burglars.
09:50Is there any other way in?
09:52The window opens about three inches, so no.
09:55No.
09:58My God, look at her hands.
09:59It was defence injuries. Broken nails too.
10:02Have a look at this.
10:09She tried to get out.
10:10Sustaining further injuries.
10:14Someone locked her in,
10:16waited till it was all over,
10:18then unlocked the door.
10:20You see, I just want to say how sorry I am.
10:36In a place like this, it's unbelievable.
10:38This is Professor Tempest. He's a police consultant.
10:42Would you mind...
10:43Is he going to bring her back?
10:44Some kind of miracle worker?
10:46Nothing I can say will lessen your pain.
10:49However, what I do will bring justice.
10:52Justice.
10:53Well, let's start by finding out who let Eddie Baines stay here.
11:11I tried to be a friend to him, but the man's grey matter was shot.
11:15Why did your daughter walk into apartment 12?
11:18Because until yesterday it was mine.
11:20You did not tell her you had moved?
11:22I'd rather assume management would keep her informed.
11:25And you did not think to call her?
11:27Well, it was a sore point. I wasn't going to discuss it over the phone.
11:30Why did you move?
11:32To save money.
11:35I really don't see how any of this is...
11:38Your money or her money?
11:39Abby's an accountant. I'd given her control of my finances.
11:45That was before she became embroiled in a custody battle.
11:51Family battle. Family courts. Protracted, messy, and expensive.
12:01To afford her lawyer, she moved you into a cheaper apartment?
12:04She had no right. It was my money.
12:10Do we have to arrest him?
12:12No, it's not our job to diagnose, all right?
12:15It'll be up to the CPS to decide if he's prosecuted.
12:18Come on.
12:23Dad, there's some people here I need to speak to.
12:26I'll be back very soon.
12:29They took everything.
12:31I know, Dad, I know.
12:34Be careful. It's hot.
12:44What did your dad mean, they took everything?
12:46He was burgled. I think he means they took his dignity.
12:50One of the staff mentioned dementia.
12:53No. Depression. He suffers from depression.
12:56I had him moved for the light. Apartment 12 gets a son.
13:02He scored very poorly on the test.
13:04I never agreed to have him tested.
13:06Mr. Baines, if the dementia test is wrong, your father will go to prison.
13:11He's been having flashbacks to the attack.
13:18He must have been trying to defend himself after the last time.
13:23I noticed you didn't sign in.
13:25Well, when I arrived, there was no one at reception.
13:28You told one of our officers you think Eddie might have stolen the hammer?
13:37Well, it's not the sort of thing any of our residents would need.
13:40Right, yeah, you had work done.
13:42What firm did you use?
13:43Barton and me.
13:44Okay.
13:45Oh, Miss Norman, can we have a few words?
13:49Yeah, I'll leave you to it.
13:51Thanks.
13:52And you saw Abby Summers arriving to visit her father?
13:57Yeah.
13:58Right, and you knew that he'd moved apartments?
14:02Of course.
14:03So, why didn't you tell her?
14:05Oh, I didn't get a chance.
14:09Every week, same thing.
14:10Sales right past.
14:13Where were you when it happened?
14:15Uh, right there.
14:18Dennis Baines was looking for you.
14:21Right, yeah.
14:23Sorry, I'd nipped out to the loo.
14:27And then?
14:29Dennis couldn't get in, so I went with him to see what was wrong.
14:35Was it locked when you got there?
14:37No, it wasn't.
14:40Dennis couldn't open the door.
14:42You know why.
14:58Schemata are the patterns we use to interpret the world.
15:05They enable us to read people at first glance.
15:11What does this have to do with criminology?
15:1440% of female serial killers are nurses or care workers.
15:18When they are caught, people inevitably ask the question,
15:21How was she able to get away with it for so long?
15:23Did nobody see the signs?
15:26The answer is, of course, they did.
15:29But there was interference from other, more dominant sides.
15:38Descriptive adjectives, please.
15:40Kind.
15:42Hot.
15:44Caring.
15:46Kind.
15:47Caring.
15:48The schemata that scramble the warning signals.
15:51Empathetic.
15:53Ah.
15:54Empathy.
15:55So easily manipulated.
15:56We see this so often on the world stage.
15:59Feel sorry for these people here.
16:01These other people are to blame.
16:04Thus, empathy is twisted into hatred.
16:08Snap.
16:09Oh.
16:19Oh.
16:21What a day.
16:23A woman bludgeoned to death at my father's retirement village.
16:28Gracious. Were you there?
16:30Yes. A professor, too. Keeping an eye on his aunt.
16:34His aunt?
16:36Zelda.
16:38Assignation with my father.
16:40Whisked her off in his jag.
16:43Dating should be banned for anyone over 65.
16:46It's unseemly.
16:50It's still sunny.
16:52Is it?
16:53Excuse me.
16:54I think I've got something.
16:55Tell me later.
16:56So we need to take a statement from Eddie Baines, but his son says he'll only talk to you.
17:14So I've okayed it with D.C. I Goswami.
17:17Shall we?
17:18Eddie, you told me you were scared.
17:23That you picked up the hammer, hit the burglar three or four times.
17:30But you know there was no burglar.
17:35Where did you get the hammer?
17:37The hammer?
17:39Did someone give it to you?
17:41Yes.
17:43Who?
17:45Someone you know?
17:47One of your friends?
17:50Lucien.
17:53Abby's father.
17:57Lucien.
18:03No, I want this on the record. I'm not being obstructive.
18:06Okay, can we just...
18:07I haven't finished.
18:09I have already, under the most dreadful circumstances, given my time to your consultant.
18:13Professor Tempest is not a consultant.
18:15I answered his questions. To be put through it again is intolerable.
18:18And then to be arrested.
18:20I hope you're ashamed of yourself.
18:22Okay. Can we get back to the hammer?
18:25Well, of course I didn't give Eddie Baines a hammer.
18:27For God's sake, the man is enough of a danger to starve without being handed a hammer.
18:31And what do you mean a danger to starve?
18:32Well, he was clearly suffering from some sort of paranoia.
18:36You'd hear him yelling, threatening the cleaners and whatnot.
18:41Some of the staff was too afraid to go in.
18:44Eddie Baines told us you gave him the hammer.
18:47What?
18:49I gave him the hammer.
18:51Right.
18:53I gave him the hammer knowing that my daughter Abby would walk in there.
18:55You people, the way your minds were.
18:57Look, Mr. Hellsham, we have a duty to follow up on everything.
18:58You have a duty to follow up on everything.
18:59You have a duty?
19:00Well, if you're doing your job, you'll be interrogating my son-in-law.
19:06Your son-in-law?
19:07Yes, Bruno Summers, the specimen Abby is...
19:11was divorcing.
19:15You're looking for someone with motive, talk to him.
19:18Motive?
19:22Who gets custody of Poppy now?
19:24Are you releasing him?
19:28I've ordered a car to send him back.
19:30Because he was a High Court judge?
19:32No, because we can't trust a man with dementia to hold him.
19:35Talk me through what you've got.
19:37OK.
19:39So, nobody told Abby Summers her father had moved.
19:41She walks into his old apartment.
19:43Presumably the door's unlocked.
19:45And did Abby see her dad the same time every week?
19:46Yeah, she did.
19:47Well, if you wanted her dead, using Eddie Bones would get the job done.
19:51No, the killer sees Abby arriving, gives Eddie the hammer and tells him he's going to be attacked.
19:56That leaves quite a bit to chance.
19:59Also, the director of the place thinks Eddie somehow got hold of the hammer the previous week they had work done on the roof.
20:04And did the builders confirm this?
20:06The guy who did the job is on an off-grid holiday.
20:08Off-grid?
20:09I haven't been able to contact him.
20:13Come with me.
20:17Was Abby Summers a victim of unfortunate circumstances?
20:25You can help me, you know.
20:33You have been busy.
20:35Justice never sleeps.
20:36Kate Bryant, the director of September Gardens.
20:42Nice to everybody.
20:44Too nice.
20:45I don't believe I have ever seen you so animated.
20:47Lucian Hailsham.
20:49His daughter Abby moved him to a cheaper apartment.
20:52Therefore, his status had just been humiliatingly downgraded.
20:58Julie Norman.
21:00Part-time nurse, part-time receptionist, full-time fraud.
21:03I checked with the Royal College of Nursing.
21:06She's not listed.
21:08That is because she is a physiotherapist, not a nurse.
21:13Okay.
21:15Doesn't rule her out.
21:17And who is this?
21:19That's Poppy Summers.
21:2013 years old.
21:22Subject of a fierce custody battle between her parents.
21:25A battle, it goes without saying, won by her father, Bruno Summers.
21:29I believe a courtesy call to your father is in order.
21:33He's with your aunt.
21:34Perfect.
21:35Ugh.
21:36Still unwell, Marie?
21:37She'll be back at school tomorrow.
21:38Please would you inform Mr Peter Snares that Professor Tempest is here to see him.
21:39Is he expecting you?
21:40No.
21:41No.
21:42No.
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22:15I'm going to try his apartment.
22:18No.
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22:30No.
22:31Hi, Bruno Summers, Lucy and Hilsham's son-in-law.
22:51Oh, I'm very sorry. You poor man.
22:54This is Poppy. She's here to see her grandfather.
22:56Hi, Poppy. I'm sorry for your loss.
22:58Um, Mr. Hilsham's out in the lawn. I could take you.
23:01No, I'll wait here. Her grandfather only wants to see her.
23:05Okay.
23:10Yeah?
23:10I was going to mention this earlier, but with everything that's been going on...
23:13Oh, and what is it?
23:14Yeah. Um, one of the residents I spoke to you said, the one that found the body...
23:19It's Julie Norman, the receptionist.
23:21...was having an affair with the dead woman's husband.
23:24Bruno Summers?
23:25Yes, ma'am.
23:28Hmm. I'm afraid you've missed, Mr. Snares.
23:31I am content to wait.
23:44Just popping out.
23:45Okay.
23:46Bruno Summers' daughter, Poppy, seems to be bearing up after her mother's death.
24:01Might be an element of relief.
24:04Relief.
24:05Abby used her as a weapon in the Duval's battle.
24:09How's your homework going, sweetheart?
24:23Shouldn't we talk to Bruno Summers first?
24:25As soon as we have more than hearsay.
24:30Why are you here?
24:31I am observing.
24:33All right. Come here.
24:41Okay.
24:42I don't want you talking to anyone connected with the case, all right?
24:45That's every resident, every member of staff.
24:48We've already fouled things up with Lucy and Hales.
24:49Ian.
24:50Diaz Winters.
24:52How can I help?
24:53Hi.
24:55Um, we'd like to speak to Julie Norman.
24:57Is she in?
24:59I'll see where she is.
25:00Thanks.
25:09Remember how much we argued about this?
25:13Oh, yes.
25:15No, I can't even remember if it is yours or mine.
25:19It's yours.
25:20No.
25:32Do you think it would have been different if we'd had children?
25:38We would have been broke as well.
25:39No.
25:45We would have been broke as well.
26:15when was the last time you saw bruno summers this morning he brought poppy to see lucian
26:42did you see him yesterday no are you and bruno having an affair no why would you even ask me that
26:57that's my grandson he's lost a bit of weight since then
27:01here on studying to be a lawyer will i take your phone number just in case
27:06sorry this is my boss oh he's a bit of all right can i borrow that can i trust you
27:15something you should see oh yeah
27:24i'm looking at the cast of golden girls
27:26give it here bruno summers there's the window to the apartment where abby summers was killed
27:36check the time three minutes before the body was discovered yes sarco said the window only
27:41opens three or four inches so just wide enough to slip a hammer to eddie baines that's true
27:52right uniform have brought in julie norman and bruno summers
27:57how do you want to play this you spot him i think we start with julie norman
28:03her and bruno's others are having an affair well i mean that's the rumor which julie denied also
28:08bruno was there at the precise time that abby summers was killed okay so the photo proves that
28:12bruno was there yeah right outside of the room where his wife was murdered but the photo in itself
28:19doesn't prove that julie lied does it so what's your working theory so bruno's divorce was um
28:26as abby intended crippling him financially so he and julie devise a plan to put his wife
28:32in a room with a terrified volatile man okay find out what the star-crossed lovers have to say
28:45do you recognize his man it looks like abby summers husband bruno summers we have him in custody this
28:54was taken yesterday you told us you didn't see him yesterday i didn't so why was he there
29:07are you having an affair
29:13i'm not saying another word
29:15i'm not saying another word until i've had a private consult with my lawyer
29:25why can't i make a phone call you made one i need to check if my daughter's okay
29:29what are you doing in this photograph
29:35if you've done nothing wrong you'll soon be with your daughter
29:38i'm hiding from abby why because i didn't want to give her any more ammunition
29:50you ever been in the family court system second circle of hell
29:58i want to be with julie so you are having an affair no
30:01no see that's what i'm talking about ammunition you think i want to lose my daughter julie was
30:09supportive but yeah i had feelings for her but we are not having an affair so what are you doing there
30:23i decided to tell her how i felt
30:24and then i saw abby
30:31and did you speak to julie i left
30:36i had no idea what happened until your colleagues knocked on my door
30:45bruno we believe you and julie colluded in the murder of your wife
30:54and i was like
30:57dan
30:57yeah
30:58just to let you know i've asked the professor to observe
31:01right
31:03look he gets results he does it in his own time he does it for free
31:07i need my team to function at maximum capability
31:11okay
31:12i know he's not easy to work with
31:15and i know lisa was the buffer between his way and our way but now i need you to step up
31:20yeah
31:22good
31:28so while we wait for julie norman to consult with her lawyer
31:31let's work out our strategy professor
31:35julie norman and bruno summers had nothing to do with the death of abby summers
31:39any further interrogation of them would be a waste of time
31:43julie norman says she was on the desk when mrs summers was killed and then
31:46she pulls a reverse ferret and says she was on the loo she made a mistake
31:50she and bruno summers did not collude
31:53and that's it
31:55i observed them together
31:57their attraction to one another is obvious but rumors of an affair are premature
32:01ergo the mutual trust necessary to collude in murder does not exist
32:05okay
32:06so
32:08bruno acted alone
32:09the horse is bleeding and dry
32:10the anger shown by bruno during interrogation was not an attempt to mask guilt
32:15rather it comes from a frustrated desire to comfort his daughter
32:20he would never act to deprive poppy of her mother
32:22you're not saying that abby summers just walked into the wrong room are you
32:25no i'm not saying that
32:27what then
32:32i need more evidence
32:36professor you're part of a team
32:38i'm aware of that
32:39as a team our actions have to dovetail together
32:43lucian helsham refused to talk to me because he'd already spoken to you
32:46what did he say to you we don't know because you didn't tell us that's not a team
32:50i must be allowed to serve the team in my own way
32:53your own way
32:57six months nowhere to be seen you won't reply to messages
33:01ds hang on and when you finally involve yourself in a case you go off on a frolic that
33:04almost ends in disaster serve the team it didn't even come to the funeral
33:17okay i've heard enough if i may no you may not chloe could i have a second please
33:22listen carefully both of you this is what i want you to do
33:43who dotted your books
33:58do you think that's even remotely relevant i'm trying to discern a pattern
34:01there is no pattern
34:14well look you're both clearly here against your will
34:18so i suggest that we end the session
34:20but before we go professor may i divulge to ds winters something that we talked about in a previous session
34:32you may
34:35following the death of your colleague d.i donkers professor tempest began to suffer from intrusive
34:43thoughts now in extreme cases these can be
34:47uncontrollable giving rise to a paralyzing anxiety
34:54they can prevent an individual from carrying out the most basic functions
34:59never mind dealing with the emotionally complex issues that inevitably arise when aiding with a police investigation
35:06would you like to respond
35:19knowing that
35:24helps
35:24it may not seem logical but he was also fearful of having to witness your pain
35:38um
35:40i'm here as a cop
35:41all right i uh
35:44i want the team to function
35:47that's all
35:48unfortunately i never knew lisa
35:57i'm wondering
35:59what particular qualities made her stand out
36:04good at her job
36:08way out of me
36:10degree in criminology
36:11you are welcome to attend my lectures if you believe they might help
36:19i might be busy right now
36:23but um
36:25thanks
36:26thanks
36:38professor
36:40did you want to add something
36:41yes uh something you said earlier about witnessing another's pain
36:44we need to call dc agaswami bruno summers must not be released from custody
36:48an hour ago you were sure he was innocent he has information which i believe could unlock the case
37:00they tell me i can go then they tell me i can't what is going on
37:03i've got a couple more questions
37:06off the record
37:08you were in the process of divorcing your late wife
37:11how did this affect your daughter well let me talk to her i'll ask her
37:14bruno the more you tell us the more we can help poppy
37:18how was poppy affected by the divorce
37:24it was hard
37:28she was acting out at school there were complaints complaints she was accused of
37:34cyber bullying
37:37physical aggression
37:40how did abby respond to these accusations
37:43abby took poppy's sides that she was going through enough with the divorce
37:49custody
37:50how much longer is this going to take
37:54did that help
37:55i need to see the footage of dc highsmith's interview with the senior mr bays
37:59okay hi
38:01your build is back wants you to call him
38:05great
38:05where did you get the hammer did someone give it to you
38:11yes
38:11who
38:12someone you know
38:16one of your friends
38:19lucien
38:22abby's father
38:25lucien
38:26pause
38:28eddie is not answering the questions that you think he is answering
38:33rewind
38:34one of your friends
38:36one of your friends
38:39lucien
38:40pause
38:40he's telling you the name of one of his friends
38:44abby's father
38:47lucien
38:48he's telling you the name of abby's father
38:50we can rule out lucien
38:51just spoke to the builder
38:54he lost the titanium hammer
38:55the murder weapon
38:56he wanted to make it clear it wasn't his fault
38:58that kate bryant phoned him up threatening to sue blaming him for leaving it lying around
39:02he claims it was stolen
39:04he told me one old guy had taken an interest in his toolkit
39:07i sent him a dozen photos and um he identified eddie
39:22eddie took the hammer for his own protection
39:25there is a clear and simple logic here that we cannot ignore
39:30are you saying that no one else was involved
39:32on the contrary
39:34why was abby summers in the wrong room who locked the door
39:37these are good questions but using a traumatized elderly man who just happens to have stolen a hammer
39:43is an inefficient way to commit murder
39:46what if murder wasn't the intention
39:47then the parts connect
39:52if not murder then what might the intention have been
39:56to scare
39:58and when something goes catastrophically wrong taking responsibility is almost impossibly difficult
40:03easier to blame the builder for leaving his hammer lying around
40:07as director of september gardens the safety of the residence was in your hands
40:22crown prosecution service is under pressure to bring a murder charge
40:25okay what you say in this room will shape the rest of your life
40:34okay we are your best chance of averting disaster
40:38we spoke to the head teacher at your daughter's school we know marie was bullied by poppy summers
40:49head teacher took a light touch approach because poppy's parents were separating
40:53and we know this may have resulted in marie's self-harm
41:02if i hadn't have gone into her room
41:07she wouldn't still be here
41:08you spoke to abby summers bobby's mother she told me marie should
41:19toughen up
41:21toughen up she was having nightmares being sick terrified to go into school
41:27i just wish that this imperious woman
41:36could feel just a little bit of the fear that my little girl felt every single day
41:43i had no idea that any pains of alan no idea okay can you talk us through what happened
41:50i knew abby was due to visit she always called and demanded a parking space
42:05and she'd go straight to her father's room with flowers
42:09you knew she hadn't been told about the change of room yes
42:13okay so you left the tennis court back entrance was never used i had a key
42:26i watched abby summers go into apartment 12.
42:31the door closed behind her
42:36i heard eddie shouting and
42:37well that was enough i went back to the tennis courts did you not hear abby crying out for help
42:50all i heard was the cheers from the courts
42:56i didn't want abby dead i just wanted to be able to look her in the eyes and say
43:01now you know what my daughter's suffered what she's been suffering for the past three months
43:22before i send this evidence to the cps i just want to say well done it's great teamwork
43:36and the cps will charge kate bryant with whatever they see fit but we have got some room
43:41to influence their decision does her daughter have another parent no which is why i'm leaning towards
43:47manslaughter rather than murder
43:56shows some remorse she might even avoid prison well exactly yeah keep thinking okay well done
44:06oh chloe i got your date for the national detective exam in two weeks
44:11oh you'll be fine thanks
44:28what gave her away
44:32something she said
44:33she mentioned that poppy was used as a weapon by her mother in view of the circumstances her words
44:39jarred a subconscious attempt in my view to paint her victim in an unflattering light so that she
44:46might justify her own actions from a woman who just used another human being as a weapon precisely
44:53you know what the um therapist said about your intrusive thoughts yeah i had no idea
45:14why would you
45:23your offer attending your lectures i'll put some time off next week excellent i shall look forward to it
45:39any questions
45:51yes something you said in your previous lecture has been bothering me
45:56can you bear to remind us you said that empathy can be turned into hatred
46:01i'm an empath i feel pain at injustice but never anger
46:04you feel pain at what you perceive to be injustice and never anger so far
46:15i watched abby summers go into apartment 12
46:18i heard eddie shouting
46:28well that was enough
46:31that was enough to be a part of the world
46:33that was enough to be a part of the world
46:35empaths often claim that they do not do anger
46:39however years spent repressing this natural emotion can lead to anger being bypassed
46:46and volcanic rage erupting in its place
46:49to be clear empathy is a wonderful quality it makes us human kind giving but there is also a dark side
47:00when extreme empaths see terrible injustice these positive qualities can turn negative
47:13oh
47:26oh
47:35so
47:39Empathetic reactivity can lead to anxiety, depression, intrusive thoughts.
47:54What we need is something colder, harder, something that is actually useful.
48:03Compassion.
48:09Exercising some compassion of your own, I've just heard.
48:17No charges preferred against Eddie Baines.
48:20As is correct.
48:21Kate Bryant charged with manslaughter.
48:25My father has his connections.
48:28Kate Bryant claimed she couldn't hear Abby Summers shouting for help because of the cheers from the tennis courts.
48:35We were there.
48:37There were no cheers loud enough for that.
48:39Kate Bryant had no intent to kill anyone.
48:42I think she could have prevented it.
48:44You think so too.
48:47You saved her from a very long prison sentence.
48:55Are you sure you've done the right thing?
48:57For some of us, the struggle never ends.
49:08You divide us.
49:23You won't do it.
49:24I mean, you destroy you.
49:26You did not do it.
49:28��.
49:29You halt the체적isory?
49:29Why did this?
49:32No.
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