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00:00I must tell you, Manchester City fans, they are very, very ungrateful.
00:04What's going on?
00:05Many of them came into Manchester City when Guardiola started giving them results.
00:09But it's a results-based environment.
00:13It's a results-based industry.
00:15If you're not winning, it's bound to happen.
00:18Criticism, scrutiny will fly around. It's normal.
00:21The first Manchester debut of the new Premier League season will take centre stage this weekend.
00:26And a big question is, of the two managers, Ruben Amorim and Pep Guardiola, who is under more pressure?
00:33That is the crux of today's show right here.
00:36And of course, this is a preview of the first Manchester debut of the season.
00:40My name is Ayomide Daniels and this is The Nutmeg here on Guardian TV.
00:49Yes, of course, you're welcome again to The Nutmeg.
00:52And I'm joined by Organ this time. It's a Manchester Derby.
00:55He's a Manchester United fan.
00:57And he's looking forward to the Manchester Derby, most certainly.
01:01Am I right or am I wrong?
01:03Yes, it's nice to be on The Nutmeg again after a long time.
01:07And definitely, I'm looking forward to Manchester Derby.
01:11What exactly are you looking forward to in this Manchester Derby?
01:13Because the honest truth is that the Manchester Derby has lost its savour in the last couple of games.
01:18I don't know if you'll agree with me.
01:19Yes, you can say that, but however, this is Manchester Derby.
01:23It's Clash of the Titans.
01:25I think the last most interesting Manchester Derby was the FA Cup Final.
01:29Yes.
01:30No, no, I think we actually...
01:32The FA Cup Final where Man United won.
01:34That community shield is not something that...
01:36No, it's also part of it.
01:37Any time you see the Blues and the Reds coming together to play, whether it's at Old Trafford or at Etihad, it's always a serious game to actually look forward to.
01:48Any time but now.
01:49Because to be honest, both teams are in mid-table, although just three games were mid-table teams at best.
01:56However, you know that even though they are in mid-table now, we know that Gwadela's team will always start at the mid-table and at the end of the day, at the end of the season, they are at the top.
02:05So are you suggesting they'll be at the top at the end?
02:07No, I'm not suggesting that because there's a lot of things going on presently in Manchester City.
02:12I feel like they've not been able to, you know, actually recover themselves from the players who actually won the treble and winning consecutive leagues.
02:25And you know, right now, this season, one of their best players left in person of Kevin De Bruyne.
02:32You know, Godongan has also left too and Rodri is still trying to get back his form.
02:38And that might take a long time.
02:40But they spent quite an amount of money and not much has changed in the way that the team applies itself.
02:47Do you think that they should allow Pep go now?
02:51I mean, a lot of people are calling for a sack.
02:53Nothing has particularly changed in the way they play. It's still the same.
02:57Teams have found the way to get the better of Pep Guardiola's team in England.
03:01So do you think that they should stick with him? Do you still have trust?
03:04Do you think it's done in England or perhaps he just needs time to evolve this particular team?
03:09I must tell you, Manchester City fans, they are very, very ungrateful.
03:13And I know where that is coming from.
03:14You see, many of the Manchester City fans that we have now, they actually came in from different clubs.
03:21Some of them from Arsenal.
03:22But some of them are new generation fans that don't necessarily care about history.
03:26But what?
03:27You know, when it comes to sports generally, fans care about the present.
03:32What's going on?
03:33Many of them came into Manchester City when Guardiola started giving them results.
03:36But it's a results-based environment.
03:38It's a results-based environment. It's a results-based industry.
03:43If you're not winning, it's bound to happen.
03:46Criticism, scrutiny will fly around. It's normal.
03:49After three games?
03:50Yes.
03:51Okay.
03:52So I would say that...
03:53Especially in a high stake club like Man City where they are used to winning.
03:56Oh, okay.
03:58When they were not used to winning and he came in and turned their story around.
04:03You see, this is why...
04:04The thing is, the story had been turned around too.
04:07And the only difference is he won them the Champions League.
04:10For the first time in their history.
04:12Other coaches had won the league. They were also used to success before he came.
04:16How many leagues does Man City have?
04:19How many leagues?
04:20I know what Pep did is remarkable.
04:21Remarkable?
04:22There's no...
04:23We're not taking anything out of it.
04:24Excellent!
04:25Expledient!
04:26But at the same time...
04:27And I'm not even defending anyone.
04:29But fans care about the moment.
04:31And what's happening in the moment.
04:33And right now, what's going on in Manchester City, like you said earlier, is pretty bad.
04:38It's a bad side.
04:39Yeah, we can say that actually.
04:40Fact being fact.
04:41We can say that when...
04:43Now you're being a journalist.
04:44Fact being fact.
04:45When a team is not performing the way it ought to, you can say, let's call for the head of the coach, of the manager and all.
04:52Yes, they've spent a lot from January transfer window to now.
04:57They've spent a lot.
04:58They've bought players, mid-feeders that are actually very good from where they are coming from.
05:04But it's just obvious that right now, they are not yet able to dwell into the pattern.
05:11Let's also look at the red side.
05:13The red side has Ruben Hammer in.
05:15A lot of people defended him saying, last season, he just needs his team or he just needs to enter into preseason and all that stuff.
05:25But it is probably above, not probability, but they're above Man City at the moment.
05:31By just the point.
05:32But they've not exactly covered themselves in glory.
05:35Let's tell the truth.
05:36That's the honest truth.
05:38None of the attackers, except Brian Mbumo, has got a goal yet.
05:42Benjamin Sheshko has not really been playing.
05:45Matthias Kunia, we hope he can be in this Manchester Derby.
05:49But he's also not got an assist or got a goal.
05:53You know, these are questions that people are asking.
05:55At least you've assembled an expensive attack.
05:59And also they've got a goalkeeper now.
06:01Semen Lamens and we'll just have to see whether he starts or not.
06:04And Onana is finally gone.
06:06And Onana is gone at the end of the day.
06:08So maybe whatever that changes, we'll get to find out.
06:11We'll also get to find out if Semen Lamens is the decent or right replacement for him.
06:17But things are not exactly going right in the red side of Manchester at the same time.
06:22Yes, we can say that things are not going the way we expect it.
06:27But we know now, we are all fans, football fans.
06:30We are always longing for better things.
06:32So why were you questioning Man City fans?
06:34I am sure that...
06:35Let's come back to that.
06:36Why were you questioning Man City fans for being ambitious?
06:38See, the reason why you can say you are giving...
06:42The reason why we say I am questioning Manchester City fans is because this guy in question
06:47has given you four Premier Leagues in five years or six years back to back.
06:53Four Premier Leagues back to back.
06:56Champions League for the very first time in the history of Manchester City since they ever thought of developing a team or building a team.
07:04So how is it different from Manchester United now?
07:06It's different from Manchester United.
07:07Because in the last 13 years, Manchester United have not won.
07:10These are different...
07:11The moment is longer for Manchester United fans.
07:14They've been craving this top tier success for the best of 15 years now.
07:20They've not got it.
07:21Let's not forget that the context of our discussion today is based on the managers.
07:26Guardiola and Rubem Amorin.
07:29Rubem Amorin is just coming to Manchester United.
07:32He has barely spent a season, a full season.
07:35This is his first full season.
07:37Pep Guardiola has spent seasons with Manchester City with achievements to back them up.
07:43Which is what convinces you that for at least this season, Amorin will get it right?
07:49What convinces you?
07:50Because his record is not exactly that of a world-beater when it comes to Manchester United.
07:54Whichever way you want to look at it.
07:56When it comes to Manchester United, I feel that many of us as fans, we need to go back to where Amorin is coming from.
08:04It was not very smooth when he got into sporting.
08:08He had to clear off almost the whole...
08:10But this is Ma United, not the sporting team.
08:12Yeah, he has to clear off the whole team.
08:14There is already a...
08:16The foundation is already being cracked.
08:19What you need to do is not to patch it up.
08:22It is for you to scatter everything and rebuild it all over again.
08:26Which he has done.
08:27Which I feel like he has not fully done it.
08:29Look at the number of players that have had to leave.
08:31Anthony, Sancho, Garnacho.
08:34The list goes on. Ericsson or not?
08:36He has not fully done it.
08:37He has not fully done it.
08:38These players that you just mentioned now and every other ones that you are going to mention are players that came in to Manchester United.
08:44You mentioned Onana.
08:45No, I am coming.
08:46I am coming.
08:47The player of Manchester United who came in in the past two, three seasons.
08:50But he has done an overall.
08:52The overall is not done yet.
08:54We still have the likes of Luke Shaw.
08:55When will it be done?
08:56Who has spent 80 years in Manchester United.
08:58And what is our treatment?
08:59But Amorin tells you that he is a decent player and of course a world-beater if he can keep him.
09:02Yes.
09:03We are not saying these players that left Manchester United are not also decent players.
09:07But what is their contribution to the team?
09:09How many years do they spend on injury?
09:12In the past, the amount of minutes Shaw has played for Manchester United this season is higher than the amount of minutes he has played for Manchester United in the whole of last season.
09:23Let's just collapse this conversation somewhere around here now.
09:26So let me ask you.
09:27In terms of who keeps their jobs farther than another.
09:32Who stands the better chance of being here come the end of the season at least?
09:37It's obvious that Manchester United's board, they've said this several times, that they want to stick to Amorin.
09:43I believe that at the end of the season, as we speak, I think there's already a discussion of extending his contract for two more years.
09:50Amorin.
09:51Yes.
09:52So there's already a discussion on the table.
09:56News are already flying here and there that he'll be adding two more years to his contract.
10:01So it's obvious.
10:03I think the only thing that can affect that contract discussion is probably him finishing…
10:07I don't think we should be talking about the contract for Amorin.
10:10We should be talking about him winning two games on the bounce, which he has not done since he got the job almost a year ago.
10:17Everything is possible.
10:18This is football.
10:19It's possible that…
10:20Don't make him look hard.
10:21It's two wins in a row.
10:23What if he wins Manchester City and wins Chelsea?
10:26Let him do it before they give the contract at least.
10:29Well, you can say that, but as we speak presently, between him and Pep Guardiola…
10:34You think Amorin stands to get that chance of keeping his job?
10:38Yes.
10:39Yes.
10:40Guardiola is the one they are actually calling for his aid right now, unlike Amorin.
10:43The board, we should be able to come out and say, yes, at the beginning of the season, the fans of Manchester United…
10:50Don't remember Manchester United finished last season.
10:52No.
10:53They finished 15.
10:54Yes.
10:55They finished 15.
10:56A defeat can return them back to that territory.
10:59It's possible.
11:00It's possible.
11:01A defeat against this Pep Guardiola side.
11:03It is still the beginning of the season.
11:05It's the fourth game.
11:06The fourth game of the season.
11:07Yes.
11:08But, however, what we are saying is, at the end of the season…
11:11At the end of the season, if they start to discuss contract extension with Amorin now…
11:16After three games…
11:18And they give him two years contract extension…
11:20I don't think they want to sack him.
11:22At the beginning of the season, Manchester United fans were calling for his aid.
11:25But they rejected it.
11:26And all they came out to say is…
11:28Okay, hold on.
11:29Last question.
11:30Last question.
11:31Let's not forget.
11:32The derby is this weekend.
11:33Who wins the derby?
11:34Manchester United.
11:35I was not expecting you to…
11:36Manchester United wins the derby.
11:39Manchester United of Amorin wins the derby.
11:41I promise you, watching this edition, that we'll start the next edition with this.
11:47So, if he flopped it, you'll be seeing him on your pictures.
11:51Thank you very much for watching this edition of The Nutmeg.
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12:06Ogan, it's not been a pleasure, to be honest.
12:08But we have to leave it somewhere.
12:10Thank you very much for being a part of this.
12:12Thank you very much.
12:13Always my pleasure.
12:14And we'll see you next time.
12:15Bye for now.
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