Let the Devil In Season 1 Episode 2

Name: Let the Devil In Season 1 Episode 2
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00:00Jefferson is my hometown.

00:29I love it.

00:33You know, we're not the crime capital of the world.

00:35We don't have many murders.

00:39It's a place where people still leave their cars open

00:42and their front doors open.

00:45This violent act was so out of character,

00:47unbelievable to happen in a nice small community

00:50where nothing really happens.

00:59A murder scene is like a jigsaw puzzle.

01:07You're trying to put all the pieces together.

01:12You have a woman who's been murdered in the basement.

01:15The victim was stabbed multiple times

01:17about the upper torso in the face.

01:20Her head was bashed in, which caused her eyeball

01:22to explode out of the socket.

01:25And just the saturation of the blood was evidence

01:28that it was violent, very violent murder.

01:35And Tom, he's the only one not in the home.

01:39It was imperative to try to find him.

01:42It was all hands on deck.

01:43Canine units, crime scene units, full detective bureaus.

01:46You got patrol cars running on through the neighborhoods.

01:49Nothing.

01:49It was just go where the dog's trying to lead you

01:52and see if you can find anything.

01:53And of course, we didn't.

01:56We went on down to the condominiums that were being built

01:59and cleared those.

02:01And by then, it was getting close to daylight,

02:02and we realized that we're probably not

02:04going to find him at this point.

02:06The decision was made that we're going to hold off

02:08on the search and wait till the day shift comes in.

02:16Wake up in the morning, and that's the first time

02:19where the adults start being dodgy with what's going on.

02:24What happened in White Rock?

02:26Well, we're not really sure.

02:28Is everyone OK?

02:28Well, we don't know.

02:30Then the phone starts ringing with my friends,

02:33and they're like, Mrs. Sullivan was murdered.

02:37We're like, what?

02:39There was a murder?

02:41Like an actual murder in Jefferson.

02:42We're like, who did it?

02:43And at this point, we still don't know, but Tommy's missing.

02:49So the first bit of rumor mill that was going on

02:53was that there's a murderer loose in town,

02:55and he kidnapped Tommy.

03:01So we're all like, holy shit.

03:03There was a murderer that kidnapped a kid,

03:05and what the hell is he doing to him?

03:07I'd seen movies where kids were abducted.

03:12In America's Most Wanted, that was very recent still.

03:16Post John Walsh, whose six-year-old son Adam was brutally murdered,

03:19that leads this crusade against crime.

03:21I was terrified.

03:25It was snowing like hell the night before.

03:26We all wanted to go out and go sleigh riding.

03:28We couldn't.

03:28We were going to have snowball fights.

03:30We couldn't.

03:32No one could leave the house.

03:49No one could leave the house.

03:50No one could leave the house.

03:51No one could leave the house.

03:52No one could leave the house.

03:58Panic.

03:59It's not just a reaction.

04:01It's a state of mind, an instinct.

04:04When something horrific happens, we scramble for answers.

04:08We start looking for someone or something to blame.

04:12Panic can distort everything.

04:16It spreads faster than facts.

04:19And soon, it's not about truth anymore.

04:21It's about the fear that consumes us all.

04:25Tommy was known as a Reverend Brown kid.

04:38Everyone knew him from church.

04:39He was an altar boy, which was also an elevated position there.

04:43And he was an all-area, 106-pound wrestler.

04:46New Jersey's a wrestling state that's like a more popular sport than football.

04:53So the wrestlers were, in a way, kind of, the good ones were kind of revered,

04:58because everyone knew the discipline that it took to really excel at that sport.

05:02I was principal of Reverend George A. Brown Memorial School.

05:08Tom Jr. was in the school from first grade on.

05:13He was very handsome.

05:18I remember him as being blonde, but I saw a picture of him, and he had darker hair than I remembered.

05:25But he had the most beautiful blue eyes.

05:28He was a good student.

05:32He basically made no ripples.

05:36It was Sunday morning.

05:42I received a call from the convent that said that they could not find Tom.

05:49I felt shock.

05:52Basically, in unbelief.

06:02And then, when they didn't know where Tom was, I had so many concerns about that.

06:07Like, where would he be?

06:19The following morning, I had received a call from the dispatcher saying,

06:22one of our police officers lives in White Rock, was speaking on the phone to a woman.

06:27She just happened to be talking to her, you know, asking about what was going on.

06:31And as she was talking to her, she looked at her back window and saw a body.

06:38Oh, my God.

06:40Blood on the ground.

06:42At first, they weren't too sure if he was still alive.

06:44Then the woman clarified, he's dead, he's dead.

06:48It was Tommy Sullivan.

06:51It was a couple houses across the street and over from the Sullivan house.

06:56The backyard was fenced in.

06:58There was a shed to the left of the body.

07:02The snow was so deep at the time that the body kind of sat below the snow.

07:16I got a call and said they had found Tommy and to come back down.

07:26His wrists were cut all the way down to pretty much through to the bones.

07:44His throat had been cut from one side all the way to the other.

07:54You could actually look down into his windpipe, cut it all the way across.

07:59The medical examiner was pointing out the blood splatter or spurting blood on a wooden fence.

08:09And there was some discussion about how this could have happened.

08:14As, as brutally, as brutal as his mother had been murdered, this was equally as brutal.

08:27His throat was cut ear to ear and his head was hanging back.

08:32You know, esophagus, everything was visible.

08:36So this was shocking.

08:39The thought was that this was a suicide.

08:42Just the nature of the violence, nature of the wounds, people have a hard time relating that to a 14 year old boy.

08:57White Rock has a pretty tight knit community.

08:59We had people who had been there for a long time, born there.

09:09Everybody kind of knew each other.

09:12The police, if we had found Tommy, you can kind of keep that under wraps to some degree to finish out your investigation.

09:20But the fact that Tommy was found by a neighbor, that's not going to stay too secret too long.

09:31My brother got the first call.

09:33They found Tommy. He's dead.

09:36My mom screams.

09:38He starts crying.

09:40I went, where did they find him?

09:42Like, the neighbor's backyard.

09:44Like, across the street?

09:46What are you talking about?

09:47Okay.

09:48We got to find out more.

09:49So then I start trying to call.

09:50And I think I actually broke the news to a couple of my friends.

09:52Okay.

09:53And then they didn't believe me.

09:54And then they tell their mom.

09:55So everybody's trying to get confirmation of the story.

10:00We started finding everything out.

10:07That Betty Ann was dead and that Tommy was dead.

10:11You're trying to process that as like a 13 year old boy.

10:13You know, oh my God, how could this happen type thing.

10:16So it was scary.

10:18And it just leaves you really like unsettled and really uneasy.

10:21I was there at Tommy's scene when they located a Boy Scout knife that they found with his body.

10:33It was a typical camping knife, maybe four or five inches long.

10:38It can be super sharp if you spend enough time sharpening it, I guess.

10:46It would have to be pretty sharp to do the damage that it did.

10:50You know, how you could do that, I mean, after you've already sliced your wrists.

10:55You know, how you could stick the knife in your throat and slice it all the way across.

10:59It certainly didn't make sense.

11:05They still had to do the medical examiner's report on Mrs. Sullivan's body.

11:09You know, because at this point they didn't know if that was the same knife that killed the mother.

11:15When his body was found, the ID unit, everybody was still there.

11:19So it was easy for them to photograph everything and collect the remaining evidence.

11:24There was only one set of footprints and they were Tommy's that led to where he was, where he was found.

11:30It isolated him as the only person.

11:34It wasn't like there was a struggle.

11:36It was more a validation of, this is Tommy, this is what Tommy did to Tommy.

11:46So just his prints that went from the road up to that yard.

11:50So it appears as if after he crashed the car, got the car stuck, that he immediately went to that backyard.

12:00The family car was across the street from the house.

12:06It had a sloped driveway, so it appeared that it had rolled down across the street into a snowbank.

12:13And it was stuck there.

12:15And that's when they found some of Tommy's belongings in the car.

12:18And that's where they found the contract.

12:31The contract that Tommy had written to the greatest demons of hell.

12:38To the greatest demons of hell, I, Tom Sullivan, would like to make a solemn exchange with you.

12:48If you give me the most extreme of all magical powers, I will use them wisely to tempt as many people as possible to do evil and follow you.

12:58I will kill many Christian followers who are serious in their beliefs.

13:03Although I will not kill my family until I live for 10 years from this very day.

13:09This will be done to avoid any neighbors from becoming suspicious, not out of love for them.

13:14Throughout my new life, I promise to perform any satanistic ritual except homosexual acts.

13:22I will do these to prove my loyalty to the demons of hell.

13:25Exactly 20 years from this day, I promise to commit suicide.

13:30At this time, I will go directly to hell to work with you as a demon.

13:36I will tempt all teenagers on earth to have sex, have incest, do drugs, and worship you.

13:42I believe that evil will once again rise and conquer the love of God.

13:51If this pact is to your approval, sign below.

13:58The part in the contract about killing his family has an X through it and then in parentheses he has next to that,

14:04I have already killed my family.

14:06You know, the contract, well, it was obviously taken aback by it, especially when he, you know,

14:15that he had already killed his family because he thought once he torched the place,

14:18once he lit those papers, that the house was going to burn down and he was going to kill his father and brother.

14:23The contract, for a lot of people that was a pretty telling piece of evidence that kind of linked this behavior,

14:41this murder-suicide into the realm of the occult.

14:45Once the word got out that this could have had its roots in some type of satanic belief system, there was media on scene.

14:58A mother and son from New Jersey are dead tonight following a devastating murder and suicide with shades of the occult.

15:04He reportedly went into a rage, stabbed his mother to death.

15:08They ran into the living room where he set a pile of papers on fire.

15:11Then ran to a neighbor's yard where he slit his own throat.

15:14Books on Satanism were found in the fire that was burning in the living room of the Sullivan home.

15:19A major crime happens in your community and, of course, the media comes out and they go around and start speaking to all the neighbors.

15:26All we've heard is that Tommy killed his mother and then tried to kill himself and died in the woods.

15:31You know, I think there's something like that can happen right next door or across the street.

15:35In the late 80s, I was a freelance journalist and I wrote primarily for the women's magazines.

15:46I was assigned the article because I lived in New Jersey at the time.

15:54I was told there's a story out of this suburban town in New Jersey of this young teenage boy who brutally killed his mom.

16:04And we want you to find out what happened.

16:10How did this typical American boy take a dumbbell and smash his mom in the head and literally try to cut her face off?

16:24It's horrifying. It's scary. It's fascinating. It's mysterious. It's insane.

16:35So I was going to dig as deeply as I could.

16:40If you asked me anything about this yesterday morning, I would have said, great kid, wrestler, baseball player, good student.

16:49He wasn't some horrible kid who had tons of trouble, that the schools kept coming to the parents and saying,

16:56do you have to do something with this child? Or the parents kept punishing him.

17:00That wasn't what this kid was about. And that's why it was so fascinating because there was no easy answer here.

17:08And we want answers.

17:12Fourteen-year-old Tommy was an eighth grader at Reverend George A. Brown Memorial School in Sparta.

17:18There's deep concern for the Sullivan family, but there's also concern for the children in the school and how they will deal with the tragedy.

17:26The media was everywhere in the town, and we wanted to protect our children, number one.

17:31We had psychologists, psychiatrists, counselors. The children were doing a lot of processing, and they did not need to be assaulted by media.

17:45So we said to them, there will be people around, get on your bus, and do not speak to the media.

17:55The students at Thomas Sullivan's parochial school in Morris County, New Jersey got some counseling today.

18:00And then when I was looking at the news, there was no cult group here at the school.

18:04And I saw this eighth grader.

18:06He changed, he was more quiet, and he kept things to himself.

18:10I was like, no!

18:11No!

18:12Did you know anything about his, um, satanic obsessions?

18:16Um...

18:17It was quiet, he got the best equipment done.

18:18The past, the past week, uh, maybe the last couple days he said something about it, but no one would believe him.

18:27Some people suspected that because he was toying with Satanism, this is what led him to do this.

18:38I understand there may have been some satanic, uh, indications in that letter as well.

18:43That's true, that's correct.

18:44Murder stories are fascinating in and of themselves, right?

18:49And now it's this young boy murdering his mother, supposedly in the name of Satan.

18:57Well, now you've got yourself a home run.

18:59There are unanswered questions about Satanism in America, unsolved incidents of torture and murder.

19:05In every state in the nation, authorities are investigating some form of what they call satanic activity.

19:11The Tommy Sullivan story played perfectly into a cultural phobia that was running rampant in suburban America at the time.

19:19Fears that young adults were being seduced by darker, more violent things.

19:24We know it as satanic panic.

19:28Fantastical games like Dungeons and Dragons with their demonic covers and blood magic conjuring.

19:33Dr. Thomas Rebecki says there are 28 deaths related to Dungeons and Dragons in the last five years.

19:41Hyper violent movies dripping with gore and death.

19:45And angry, thrashing heavy metal music.

19:48Heavy metal.

19:49Some would say it's the selling of Satanism.

19:53Parents feared that their innocent children were running away from their idyllic lives towards a darkness that they couldn't understand.

20:00You would see the pentagram on the walls being right across the 666.

20:04Representing Satan with the horns.

20:06We don't want people to think that we're being overreactive.

20:08But truly, is satanic involvement, is satanic criminal behavior, is it happening, and to what degree?

20:16And Tommy Sullivan Jr., he was the perfect example of it all.

20:21In a statement to police, Tommy's younger brother Brian stated,

20:24Tom had been acting strange for the last two to three weeks, had been interested in witchcraft, and had several books about it in his room.

20:34Listened to heavy metal music.

20:36Believed there was messages from the devil.

20:42Officer Hart believes heavy metal encouraged Tommy Sullivan to butcher himself and his mother.

20:47Within literally weeks of his death and his mother's death, Tommy had been listening to music by some heavy metal artists.

20:56Sullivan's father says heavy metal music was to blame.

21:00There was one by Ozzy Osbourne, it was suicide or something to a suicide.

21:07Another one he was actually singing to one time about killing his mother.

21:11It's no big secret that our interests label us.

21:16I mean, look at me.

21:18When I was a kid, I loved horror movies and the macabre.

21:22I was into Iron Maiden and weird shit that you could buy from Spencer Gifts.

21:27My bar mitzvah had a bloody cake and a magician that sawed me in half.

21:31It was over the top and innocent fun, a rebellious escape from the humdrum of school and life.

21:37But back then, it wasn't so cute to everyone else.

21:41One satanic panic washed over my town.

21:44My parents got calls from the school saying that no one would let their kids sleep over in my house.

21:49Perhaps the most dangerous kind of devil worship.

21:52They were afraid I was going to infect them with darker interests.

21:56I turned out fine.

21:58But for kids like Tommy, it didn't end well.

22:00There may have been something about all that dark imagery that awakened something that festered inside him.

22:07And it became a real nightmare that needed to come out.

22:15The Sullivan case not just got national attention, it got international attention.

22:19We had them all here.

22:22I mean, every, this was, this went on for a good couple of weeks.

22:26And Geraldo at the time came to White Rock.

22:29Whether a Satan exists is a matter of belief.

22:32But we are certain that Satanism exists.

22:33I remember Detective Hart doing interviews.

22:37Detective Paul Hart thought he had seen everything.

22:40He wanted to go to the house.

22:42He was like, well, I don't know.

22:44He just bounded up onto the porch, knocked on the door and said, hi, I'm Geraldo.

22:50Can we come in?

22:52And the doors opened up and we went down and filmed in the basement.

22:56As we came down here, we found Mr. Sullivan laying on the floor just about in this area here.

23:03I mean, he was doing the show and it was, it was to, uh, identifying that the problem was actually one of the, I think the first case that he profiled, um, in any depth.

23:14Do you think, you're not a theologian, a theologian, you're a cop.

23:18Do you think that Tommy was possessed?

23:21Uh, I think that, uh, possession is a state of mind.

23:24As far as the media, you know, I understand their position is to, to, you know, report the news.

23:30And I think it was more for the sensationalism.

23:31I mean, the case itself was sensational enough.

23:34I remember some of the media reports.

23:35Everybody's trying to figure out, like, what happened?

23:38How did this go so bad?

23:39The town was pretty freaked out.

23:42Obviously, it's a small town.

23:46You want to know, A, what happened, and B, is it going to happen to me?

23:51There might have been a little intentional mythologizing.

23:54A little bit, to be honest, especially when the satanic stuff broke.

23:58You know, then it's like, all right, if we're talking about that, we can say basically whatever the hell we want.

24:03You know? And so people were adding their own opinions to it.

24:05One of the rumors was that he attended a satanic black mass, and then everybody panicked.

24:14First of all, does this satanic cult in the woods exist? Is that real?

24:19If it does, how does it, how does that happen?

24:23Under our noses, right? How does, how, who's involved in it?

24:26People thought he was drinking people's blood.

24:28He would go, like, sneak out of the house at night.

24:32This little boy, apparently, goes into the woods and sets fires.

24:35Someone said that, that he took a hatchet, put it under his chin, and jammed it up, and then ripped it out to the side.

24:45That's how everybody said he did it. We didn't know about the Boy Scout night. That became fact.

24:48The rumors were pretty strong. It's kind of like in school where you'd play the game, whisper something in one person's ear. By the time it gets all the way around the room, it's completely different.

24:57There was, it was snowballing, but we couldn't comment on it at the time. You know, it was still considered an act of investigation.

25:101988, I was pastor of Grace Church in Jefferson, New Jersey.

25:14The Sullivan family went to St. Thomas Roman Catholic Church, which was a cross from my church.

25:24It was the beginning of winter, January, right after the holidays.

25:29And you could feel not just the coldness of the snow, so to speak, but that this town will be changed forever.

25:37Betty Sullivan had been killed.

25:41And all of a sudden, we lost our innocence.

25:45We pray for the family. We pray for Tom. We pray for Betty Ann.

25:52We pray for the family that was left.

25:57We pray for ourselves.

25:58We pray for ourselves.

26:03I remember we went to church, and it was just all everybody wanted to talk about.

26:09Such a small town was such a tragic event.

26:12I realized I was the last person to see him alive.

26:21It was just a little overwhelming because I knew it was much bigger, much bigger than me at that moment, that's for sure.

26:28And the family was going through trauma and devastation.

26:31And for some reason, I was there with them at that time.

26:37And hearing how brutal Mr. Sullivan passed made me think something evil was involved.

26:48At that point, the goal was to work on just continuing the ministry, bringing healing and bringing understanding.

26:57It's Thursday night. People are tired.

27:00But questions about what happened to Tommy Sullivan, fears that it could happen to somebody else's child, brought parents out of their houses this evening.

27:09This freaked out the community.

27:11We had an assembly at our high school, and it was standing room only.

27:15We had to have a second assembly because people couldn't get in.

27:19500 people packed this auditorium to learn about Satanism.

27:22I'm really scared about the future for the kids.

27:27It makes you wonder, you know, if it can't happen to your child.

27:30The town's reaction to it, they were treating him like he was infected with something.

27:35You know, did he infect my children? What are they going to do?

27:38We parents worry, you know, it's in our DNA.

27:41I mean, what's more important than your child?

27:44Is this something that I, that my kid is going to get into trouble with?

27:47Is this something that I have to worry about?

27:49Something had to have caused this.

27:53Because to say, oh, we don't know? That's too hard.

27:57So we've got to come up with a reason.

28:00And the reason here was Satan.

28:02Satanism?

28:04That's outside of the home, and that's some other thing that sort of penetrated here.

28:09And if I don't let it in, I'm safe.

28:16People wanted to understand.

28:18Like, parents would come and talk to me.

28:20How do we protect our kids from different groups?

28:22And being someone who studies theology and knowing history.

28:26Also having a very good understanding of what we would refer to as spiritual warfare.

28:31I understood how high the stakes would be.

28:35The ramifications were going to be great in the community and in the church and in my life.

28:42There is a Satan. There is evil.

28:45There are negative forces.

28:47We must be aware that it is real.

28:49It is absolutely real.

28:54Yes, there is evil.

28:57But your religion helps you to deal with that.

29:01And it was a challenge for every single person in that school.

29:06We definitely had to face the reality that evil can seem to many to just be, eh, you know, it's nothing really big.

29:21We could no longer say that.

29:23Because we were confronted with evil.

29:26We were confronted with the Satanic world.

29:30I've never really been touched with evil.

29:36Except for this.

29:40It was a very pious, very religious town.

29:43Where a majority of the households were regular church goers.

29:47Right? Sunday mass.

29:49Like clockwork.

29:51So it was like the devout Catholics in town had their answer.

29:54That he was possessed.

29:56It was demonic possession.

30:00They're looking for a boogeyman.

30:02The boogeyman is always the devil.

30:06It was scary.

30:07And then the parents were terrified that it could, their kids could be next or that they could be next.

30:14So that's where the real fear was.

30:16And as a trickle down kind of circumstance, it's never comfortable for kids to see their parents scared.

30:25So there was this kind of low level feeling of discomfort among the kids.

30:31Because we're seeing that our parents don't have all the answers.

30:36I bought into the story.

30:38Like I felt that this was a satanic thing and the devil was there and helped create, you know, this mess.

30:45That was me as a 19 year old because of all the drama surrounding it and everybody was just consumed, you know.

30:56So, you know, you start to believe things.

30:59I just remember being super affected and not really knowing, like kind of lost.

31:07The only way that people seemed to be able to make sense of it was with this Satanism angle.

31:13And I remember the one detail that they were pressing was, well, when you're possessed by the devil, you can do anything.

31:19In my 13 year old head, I didn't know what was possible and what wasn't possible.

31:27The God and the devil and, I mean, all of my fears were about the fact that it was possible.

31:33And while I'm doubting that at the same time, I'm like, okay, well, what the hell happened next door?

31:38Because maybe it did happen.

31:40You're trying to process that and you don't really want to sleep.

31:55It just felt evil.

32:00I started having nightmares.

32:02That the devil would go underneath Tommy's house, come underground and come up into my room.

32:21And then go in my mouth and take over my body.

32:37The source of all this is the apparent practice of Satanism.

33:05It's easy to look back at this time and laugh at the hysteria.

33:10Sensationalistic news feeding parental fears.

33:13We have young people captivated in something that can make killers out of them.

33:19Religious communities turning to the only explanation they can think of.

33:23Satan.

33:25But the truth is, something made this seemingly normal child murder his mother in cold blood.

33:31And there had to be an answer hidden somewhere in his final days.

33:37About three weeks ago, the father says, in addition to an increased interest in heavy metal music,

33:42the young Sullivan had started a research project into Satanism at the Catholic school he attended.

33:47Tom Junior was a regular student, never in my office except the last three weeks.

34:00When we had an incident that was unlike anything I had ever experienced before.

34:10There was a teacher who came to me and she said, the students would like to have a comparative religion opportunity.

34:26She said, every group has to tell about the religion and then how it relates to or is different from the Catholic tradition.

34:38I thought, well that sounds good.

34:41A couple days later she came to me and she said, there is a group that would like to do a satanic church.

34:54Well, I felt first of all, it wasn't a religion like Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, and they're young and impressionable.

35:12She came back to me and said, well, if you don't know it, how can you confront it?

35:21Hmm, I thought about that.

35:25I prayed over it and I said, yes.

35:30And she went with it and Tom Junior was in that group.

35:42If I could do that over again, I don't know that I would say yes.

35:48Tom took every single satanic book out of the public library.

36:01We had nothing in school.

36:04So he studied it and then he shared the information with the other kids.

36:09What did you come up with?

36:18Sacrifices.

36:19Sacrifices.

36:20Sacrifices.

36:21I can't believe that I was like this.

36:32I don't think that children had ever faced

36:39something that is so diabolical, so different from what they believe and hold as true.

36:49And how powerful it seemed to them that there was a power in this.

36:54And it wasn't a comfortable power.

36:57The kids themselves said, this was the scariest thing we've ever done.

37:01And it bothered us.

37:03When he returned from Christmas.

37:13The children told their teachers.

37:15They said, Tom is talking crazy.

37:17So they came to me and they didn't give me any specifics.

37:21They just said, we're worried about Tom.

37:25He's saying crazy things.

37:28It's just not right.

37:32When I heard that he picked Satanism, I was like, that's weird, but that's pretty funny.

37:37Because it was also related to the music he was listening to.

37:41So he was making, it was a bigger joke.

37:44To me, that's what the project was.

37:46It was, screw you.

37:48I like this music.

37:50And I remember some of the people in our class that he was hanging out with were much more into some of that music.

37:56I know he became closer with Chucky.

37:58Chucky was cool.

38:00He would do all the same stuff, play Manhunt and whatnot.

38:02But Chuck was super into the music stuff.

38:04And Tommy and he had hit it off on the music.

38:08At the time, they were huge into, you know, the Black Sabbath, Ozzy stuff.

38:12So they would hang out and talk about that stuff.

38:14On Wednesday of that week, there was an incident in gym class where Tom and Chucky were cutting class and they talked the whole period.

38:44The teacher got back and found them there.

38:48She reported them to me.

38:50So after school, I put the two boys into two different classes and I went into the class with Chucky.

38:58And I said, what were you talking about?

39:03And he said, I'm not telling you.

39:07I said, you don't have to tell me what you said.

39:11But just give me, you know, what took 40 minutes.

39:16And what I got back was the most surprising answer I've ever received in my life.

39:22He was trying to convince me to join him in doing satanic things.

39:31And I said, run that by me again.

39:38Chuck, you remember our history class reading that religion unit?

39:41Yeah.

39:42I think you might be a good fit for it.

39:44It has a lot to offer you.

39:46What does it offer you?

39:47Power?

39:48Freedom?

39:49What is it?

39:50Satanism.

39:51Tucky said that Tom Jr. was told by Satan that he needed to have disciples.

40:05To proselytize, and he used that word, proselytize people to join him in his efforts to help Satan.

40:16I said, what did you say?

40:20And he was shaking, and he said, I didn't do anything.

40:24I said, no.

40:27Okay.

40:29I said, no.

40:34I said, I'm happy for you.

40:37He said, but he tried so hard.

40:40He had all these reasons.

40:42He said, he really, really wanted me to join.

40:47Chucky's confrontation with Tommy may have started with this letter.

40:53It was uncovered by Jefferson police during their investigation.

40:58It's written backwards and seems to be addressing Chuck in the name of the demon of teenage lust and damnation.

41:06When you hold it up to a mirror, it reads like this.

41:09Chuck, the power of all deadly sins dwells within my soul.

41:15Do you want in?

41:16This is your last chance.

41:18Right back now.

41:19So I left there thinking, oh, I have to go talk to Tom.

41:33And as I walked down the hall, I thought to myself, you know little or nothing about this.

41:43I went into the room and I just said, Tom, I was talking to the boy you were with and he said that you were trying to get him to join you in helping Satan.

42:06And he looked back in the most steeled way with these beautiful blue eyes and said, it's too late.

42:25It's too late.

42:26It's too late.

42:27It's too late.

42:28The room got cold for me.

42:29It was freezing cold in there.

42:30And I thought it was so iced.

42:31It was so convinced.

42:33It was so adult.

42:34And the way he said it was just done.

42:36This is not negotiable.

42:37It's not negotiable.