Stacey Dooley Sleeps Over Season 2 Episode 3

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00:00I sort of didn't come prepared. What an idiot. I should have put a couple of, on reflection, I should have put a couple of torches in my bag, right?

00:10But I'd better go for a wee before it gets dark, because I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to find the bathroom at silly o'clock.

00:20I'm Stacey Dooley. Hi! Stacey!

00:24And I'm packing my bags for some more sleepovers.

00:27I'll be coming out of my comfort zone, imagine if I fall to my death in Scotland, to spend the weekend in the homes of Britain's more extraordinary families.

00:38You lead! I follow!

00:41You've likened feminism to cancer.

00:43This is Hebrew. Oh my goodness. I'm so sorry. Imagine owning an island.

00:53Do you worry about having a criminal record?

01:01My name is Stacey.

01:03Ready, go!

01:07What's the best thing about being a model?

01:09No one.

01:15Pumas don't belong in the UK.

01:17Pumas don't belong in the UK.

01:18Oh my God!

01:19I really didn't anticipate this.

01:27I'm travelling further than ever before on this series, to stay with a family who have chosen to live off-grid, on a remote island off the Scottish coast.

01:36We are on the outskirts of Glasgow, but we're not staying here. We have got quite the journey.

01:46Having travelled 12 hours from London, I'm now heading north towards the Isle of Mull.

01:52Hello!

01:53All right?

01:55From here, I need to charter a boat, to one of Britain's remotest islands.

02:03It's incredible.

02:09So the islands, I'm told, is super basic.

02:13There's no mains electricity.

02:16There's no hot water.

02:17I sort of love experiencing these kinds of environments for a short period of time.

02:24I couldn't live off-grid in a million years, because I'm so lazy and I'm just so used to being brought up in the city.

02:32You know, if you're hungry, you go down the street and have your dinner in a restaurant, you know what I mean?

02:36But I really respect people that are much more resourceful and try and live off the land.

02:41Like, I think if we were all a bit more like that, that would probably be a massive plus.

02:52Imagine owning an island.

02:56One day.

02:59Thank you, thank you.

03:02Despite some reservations, I want to experience off-grid life and find out what's at stake when choosing such an extreme lifestyle.

03:11Hi.

03:15What an entrance.

03:18Brilliant.

03:19Do you want a hand?

03:20Yes, thank you.

03:21Thank you so much.

03:22Well done.

03:23Thanks ever so much for your help.

03:24It's extremely slippery.

03:26OK.

03:27I mustn't fall over.

03:28That would be really embarrassing.

03:29I would look like such a city girl if the first thing I do is fall over.

03:35So who lives on the island?

03:37Blue.

03:38Savannah.

03:39Uh-huh.

03:40Rock.

03:41We'll be pointing.

03:43Lots of deer.

03:45Lots of seals.

03:46Wild eagles.

03:47Sea eagles.

03:48Otters.

03:49Are the wild goats still here?

03:50Yeah.

03:51Yeah.

03:52I should rephrase the question.

03:53How many humans live on this island?

03:55Humans.

03:57Seven.

03:58Seven.

04:00Another family of three and a solitary sheep farmer also inhabit the two-mile square island.

04:07Despite my ridiculous appearance, I'm actually quite well-travelled.

04:11But you guys, do you that have Wi-Fi here?

04:16We have mobile data.

04:18Oh, OK.

04:19You don't get it everywhere.

04:20You just have to walk kind of five minutes from the house.

04:23When I first came to live here, you actually couldn't communicate with the outside world for long periods.

04:29I'd find that quite difficult and quite scary.

04:31Yeah.

04:32With hindsight, it was, it maybe was a bit risky.

04:34So you've lived here for 30 years, Rock?

04:37Yeah.

04:38It's, I think, 29 years, I think.

04:41But the moment I got here, I just thought it was incredible.

04:4362-year-old single-parent Rock bought the island of Gomitra in the mid-90s with the idea of preserving the land in its natural state.

04:56Of the three homes on the island, the family live in the largest.

05:03Oh, my goodness.

05:07This is so idyllic.

05:10Built in the 1800s, Gomitra House came close to collapsing before Rock bought the place in 1992 and started refurbishment.

05:22This house is enormous.

05:25So this is the living room.

05:27Oh, wow.

05:28Look at that view.

05:32This is the library, which we use as a larder.

05:37So this is where we keep our food.

05:40This house is my dream room.

05:43So this is the downstairs bathroom?

05:44Yeah.

05:46Oh, yeah.

05:48Although bursting with character, mod cons are not included.

05:52This is a solar lamp.

05:54So if you leave it on the windowsill, it'll charge during the day.

05:57And then if you want to read or anything in the evening, you can use that.

05:59Oh, that's right, cos there's no light.

06:01There's no light.

06:02There's no candles in bedroom rule as well.

06:04OK.

06:05In case of fires.

06:06Yeah, that's fair enough.

06:10I knew there wasn't going to be electricity, the lights, et cetera, but I sort of didn't come prepared.

06:17What an idiot.

06:18I should have put a couple of, on reflection, I should have put a couple of torches in my bag, right?

06:22But, so I'm going to be rattling around.

06:25I might not even have the light on my phone, cos I can't charge my phone.

06:29I'd better go for a wee before it gets dark, cos I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to find the bathroom at silly o'clock.

06:34Who wants to show Stacey how to do the bread?

06:40Or shall I do the grinding bit?

06:41I'll do the grinding bit, you do the flour bit, the bread bit.

06:45Flew's going to do the bread bit.

06:46Oh, OK.

06:47No, no, I'm doing the grinding bit.

06:48OK.

06:50With the nearest shop over 12 hours away, I'm keen to start learning how self-sufficient the family have become.

06:59Step one of living off-grid, bread making.

07:02OK, so this is our, um, Junior Wonder Mill.

07:05Right.

07:07And you put buckwheat in it.

07:08Right.

07:09And then you just, you grind.

07:13And it comes out, and it takes a minute, but you get good exercise.

07:16Right.

07:17Great for the upper arms.

07:18And then I'll just...

07:23Look at her go.

07:25And my keep.

07:27There's the flour, which can go in the bowl.

07:29Great.

07:30You pour that in, in the middle.

07:31Yeah.

07:32Slowly.

07:33And you stir it.

07:34Looking good, actually.

07:35Yeah.

07:36I mean, do you try and sort of live off the land?

07:39Do you grow your own veg?

07:41Yeah, we have a polytunnel.

07:42Dad's been getting really into the gardening.

07:45If you put it over there...

07:46Yeah.

07:47...where the sun can shine through the window, that'll keep it warm.

07:49Yeah.

07:52Aside from the daily grind of feeding themselves, I'm curious to discover what else Blue and Savannah get up to on the islands.

08:00Wow.

08:02Oh, my goodness.

08:04It is.

08:05It's incredible.

08:06This is when I realised that off-grid can also mean off-paste.

08:15Oh, shit, I've gone in.

08:17Not...

08:18Oh, no.

08:19No, it don't matter, cos they're really old.

08:20Not old.

08:21I can put in the machine.

08:22No.

08:25I don't know how I'm going to get back up.

08:32Actually, if I fall to my death.

08:33You OK?

08:34Yeah, all good.

08:37Being a city girl, I'm clearly not as down with nature as the girls are.

08:44You could come in, like, halfway.

08:46I am such a wimp.

08:48I can't think of anything worse.

08:49You're a lunatic, I can't believe you're getting in that water.

08:53Is it freezing, Savannah, yeah?

08:56Ah, it's OK!

08:58I can't imagine this being, like, your garden.

09:06Growing up, Blue, Savannah and their brother, Leiza, went to school in London,

09:12returning in school holidays to be with their dad.

09:15As adults, they've decided to once again make the island their home.

09:22Was there ever a kind of wild, natural place that you were very close to?

09:28Not really.

09:29I mean, I used to go to...

09:31There was, like, an indoor pool in Hatten Regis.

09:34Yes, yes, yes.

09:35I mean, sort of, growing up, when you spent, sort of, long periods of time here,

09:44just sort of paint the picture for me to describe to me what that was like.

09:48I think it was a sort of...

09:49When we were younger...

09:50We never wanted to leave.

09:51We never, ever wanted to leave.

09:53Dad always tells stories about that when we were little.

09:55About, like, sitting down in the track or refusing to go on the boat.

10:00When you're a young girl and you're living here and you're turning into a young woman,

10:05you know, we all sort of experiment with, sort of, cosmetics, hair dye, make-up,

10:10and then there's things like, of course, sanitary towels, tan packs, etc.

10:14How do you, sort of, navigate your way through that?

10:16I use a menstrual cup.

10:19I've never used one of these, but I've heard about them.

10:22Yeah.

10:23How does it work?

10:25You've got a, kind of, rubber, like, rubber cup, and you fold it,

10:30and, sort of, push it up into you, and it pops open and creates, kind of, suction,

10:37and then you empty it, sort of, every eight hours.

10:39It's like origami.

10:41I think it's a completely magical technology,

10:43because, um, because they last for, sort of, ten years or whatever.

10:47I wonder, as well, because you're not, sort of, bombarded with images of,

10:54supposed perfection, if that means you're a lot more, sort of, comfy in your own skin?

11:00I feel, I feel pretty comfy in my own skin.

11:03I went through a stage when I was a teenager where I, kind of, felt like I, sort of,

11:07removed my leg hair some.

11:09Yeah.

11:10I, I experimented with it all, but I've very, luckily, not got...

11:14Yeah, you're blonde!

11:16You don't have any body hair!

11:18Yeah, also, my attitude is just, like, I just don't think about it,

11:21and, like, then it doesn't bother me.

11:23I mean, I'm pro everyone just, kind of, being able to be how they want to be.

11:27With their body.

11:28Yeah.

11:29Whatever that is for you.

11:31Do you have dreams of, like, pursuing a career?

11:34Is that important to you?

11:35I don't know, I think I'm just living, like, you know, day to day at the moment,

11:39and not really thinking about, like, the future, because it scares me a lot.

11:46The island seems to serve as a safe haven for the girls.

11:50But I'd like to find out what's worrying them about the outside world.

11:53I've travelled to a remote Scottish island.

12:06This one's gone a bit mad.

12:08To try and find out why a family have chosen to live off-grid.

12:14This feels a bit strange during the washing up freezing cold water.

12:17I'm trying my hardest to fit in.

12:20Just stick your foot on it so it doesn't move.

12:27Great!

12:30All right, where are we going, Rock?

12:32This way?

12:33Yes, round the back.

12:35I'm keen to find out how Rock ended up living on the islands.

12:39He suggests we walk to the summit.

12:42Sounds easy enough.

12:44Here, let's get your coat.

12:45Oh, Rock.

12:48There you are.

12:49All the gear, no idea.

12:51So it's up here.

12:53Oh, my God.

12:55Are we here?

12:57No.

13:01I'm embarrassed, Rock, at how...

13:04how unfit I am.

13:06I think you're really fit.

13:10We made it, Rock.

13:15Oh, my God.

13:18Is that you?

13:20Oh, good question.

13:21Oh, my God, maybe I've got reception.

13:22Maybe you're in reception, yeah.

13:24Oh, my word.

13:27My phone!

13:29Oh, my word.

13:31Well, this is the spot to be if you ever need to make a phone call.

13:35My phone call.

13:36Yeah, you have to lip out for a quick call.

13:38Oh.

13:39Just lip up here.

13:41How big is your island?

13:43I never measured it, actually, but I think it's about two miles going that way.

13:47And it's about one mile going that way.

13:49Two by one.

13:50How on earth do you buy an island?

13:52So, there are a few islands for sale, so I looked at a few of them.

13:56And this was at the bottom of my list, but this one was actually the one that really stole my heart.

14:01And, yeah, I was fortunate enough to have some money so I could buy it.

14:05Was it your money or inherited?

14:07It was money, basically, my grandfather was a farmer, and when he died, he left me a couple of farms.

14:14Right.

14:15I was really lucky, you know, I'm really conscious and very grateful for that.

14:17So, I ended up selling those farms, and then, with that money, I bought this, basically.

14:22Rock has worked in publishing, tourism and property, but has opted for a remarkably minimal lifestyle.

14:30How do you earn a living?

14:31At the moment, I earn a bit of money from the farm here, so I can earn enough to keep this place going and have a bit of money for myself.

14:39And there's no electricity bill, there's no gas bill, there's no water rates.

14:44There's no buying petrol for a car.

14:46So, actually, it's food, you're buying food.

14:49And then, I'm not even travelling very much, so, you know, that was actually quite a big expense when I was travelling more.

14:54Yeah, I need to be a bit more frugal.

14:58Actually, there's a lot to be said, I think, by just sort of living by your means and just not being greedy.

15:07Yeah, or do you need it? I think it's always the question, do you need it?

15:10Yeah.

15:13So, it's this way.

15:14I'm starting to realise that living off-grid isn't just some trendy lifestyle statement.

15:21The family have huge concerns about climate change and take their carbon footprint very seriously.

15:27Erm, tea for anyone? Yeah?

15:31I'll have a cup of tea, please, Rock.

15:34How do you make tea? How do you boil the water?

15:37So, normally, we would have done it on this, a sort of gas cooker.

15:40And we're gradually switching over to this, which is alcohol.

15:42Kettles are totally shocking with the...

15:45What? Tell me or no. Tell me about the kettle. Am I going to want to know?

15:49How many times will you say about the water, Dad?

15:52If you use gas, which, like we're doing, to boil a kettle, 180,000 times that much heat heats up the world.

16:01So, you get one unit of heat, and 180,000 times that, it actually just goes into the world system.

16:09Oh.

16:11So, you could boil...

16:13Oh, this is what she said when her...

16:15She's like, oh, do you?

16:16Wait, you're ruining your tea!

16:18You're like...

16:20Can I say, Dad, that since you heard that fact, you haven't had a bath?

16:23I remember when I heard it. I think it was the 7th of October, 2019.

16:27You haven't had a bath for a year!

16:28I haven't, because I heard that fact, and then I thought...

16:32And my water there was heated by gas, and I thought, I can't do it.

16:36So, do you have a shower?

16:38I have had showers. I mean, I have cold... I wash in cold water, basically.

16:41Like, the reality is we can't go on burning fossil fuels without frying everyone.

16:47And that's true. It's not an opinion, it's just true.

16:50That's fact. Yeah.

16:51So, that means we have to stop, which is, you know...

16:55And quite quickly, like, maybe five years.

16:58Which is really dramatic.

17:01The family are under no illusions that simply living off-grid will solve the climate crisis.

17:07So, are we ready? Ready?

17:09They believe far more direct action is needed.

17:11The Extinction Rebellion is a movement that organises non-violent, disruptive civil disobedience.

17:28They believe that without drastic change, we risk mass starvation on a global scale.

17:33Society has to change in a very big way.

17:37Rock is an exiled representative, and both Blue and Savannah are active members.

17:43So, Savannah is locked under the truck that's just behind me.

17:47Blue is on top of that scarf tower.

17:51During the London protest in 2019, hundreds were arrested.

17:58Is that you, Blue?

18:01Yeah.

18:03Is that the first time you've been arrested?

18:05Yeah.

18:09Blue, this looks terrifying.

18:10Blue, this looks terrifying.

18:37Can we say, Grace?

18:38Yes.

18:39So, thank you.

18:42I'm going to try this bread now.

18:43I actually think it's delicious.

18:45That's fantastic.

18:46I think it's actually better than any we've made for the last week or so.

18:49Definitely.

18:50No, no, it definitely is.

18:52Having seen how passionately the family are fighting for their beliefs,

18:57I'm left wondering how far they're willing to go.

19:00Blue, you're getting carried off by numerous police officers.

19:05That must have been.

19:06I mean, it's pretty full on.

19:08Yeah, it was very traumatic for me.

19:11They basically were trying to intimidate me so that I would tell them who I was so that it would make it easier for them.

19:18And they sort of kept on telling me they were going to strip search me and they wouldn't bring me any water.

19:29They disabled my call button so I couldn't ring for anyone.

19:32They wouldn't let me speak to my lawyer or my parents.

19:37And it was my 17th birthday.

19:40You turned 17 in the cell?

19:42In the cell, yeah.

19:48When you found out all of this, Rock, how did you feel?

19:51Yeah, I felt very upset.

19:53You know, I felt because I could pick up your trauma.

19:56And so I felt very upset about that.

19:59What's the most extreme thing you've done, Rock?

20:03Um...

20:05I think I can't talk about the most extreme thing I've done.

20:08My first experience of Extinction Rebellion, before it actually became Extinction Rebellion,

20:12was I saw this person had said on Twitter,

20:16I'm going to do some nonviolent direct action,

20:18come and sit down in front of the traffic at Marble Arch,

20:21and we sat down in front of the traffic, maybe about 10 or 15 of us.

20:24The people got really, really angry.

20:26And someone came and kicked me in the face, basically.

20:28I was sitting down and they just kicked me in the face.

20:30I had a very, very horrible experience.

20:33I de-locked to two other people in the National Museum of Scotland

20:36on the evening that the annual oil club dinner was going to be hosted.

20:38Like the locks that you use for bicycles on railings.

20:43Yeah, yeah.

20:45The police used an angle grinder to remove the D-locks from my neck.

20:49It was really, really scary because you had these...

20:52You had sparks hitting my neck and it was burning.

20:55Do you worry about potentially having a criminal record

21:00and how that could affect you later down the line?

21:04For me, it's more important to fight this fight

21:06and be doing whatever I can right now,

21:10rather than thinking,

21:12can I get a job in the future?

21:14Because if we lose,

21:16then why do I care about my job in the future?

21:19Arguably, it's easier...

21:22Not easy, it's easier to...

21:26devote your life to a cause you fundamentally believe in

21:30if you have the luxury of being a white middle-class kid.

21:36You know, I personally have the privilege

21:39to be able to be arrested for something that I believe in.

21:43And I think it's like...

21:45I feel like it's my responsibility to do whatever I can,

21:47maybe for people who can't do that.

21:49So...

21:51If you're saying that because we can, we shouldn't,

21:54I don't think that makes sense.

21:56I think because we can, we should.

21:57Please, I can't tell you how cold it is today.

22:11This is my bed set up.

22:15They're trying to save the world.

22:17It's as straightforward as that.

22:19And I think you either sort of sit on the settee and...

22:23You know, when you watch a piece on the news,

22:26you say, oh, God, isn't that awful?

22:28And when you go back to living your life,

22:30you kind of take note and think, right, what can I do?

22:34If I was at home, I'd be on the sofa

22:37watching Netflix with a cup of tea, with the heating on.

22:49It's Saturday.

22:52And my second day on the island.

22:56Hey, Anne. Morning.

22:58Hi. Are you all right?

23:00Yeah.

23:02Like a baby. I slept so, so well.

23:05This looks really amazing.

23:07I want to find out more about the kinds of activism

23:10the family are involved in and how it affects their lives.

23:14Would you like cinnamon or sugar or salt?

23:16Oh, I'll have cinnamon. Look at this.

23:2418-year-old Blue was due to start her A-levels a year ago,

23:28but decided to go on strike from school in protest

23:31of the government's policies over climate change.

23:34So, at the minute, you've boycotted school?

23:38Yeah, I'm on school strike.

23:40It's kind of, you know, it's for activism, I've said, like,

23:43I'm not going back to school until the government makes a commitment

23:48and sticks to it, and that hasn't happened yet.

23:51Blue has not been idle with her time off.

23:54So, this is the entrance to the Denham Ford Protection Camp.

24:01As well as writing a book about the climate crisis,

24:04she's been trying to stop the building of the HS2 high-speed railway.

24:08That's my treehouse where I...

24:10That's high.

24:11That's really high.

24:13I'm in treehouse right now over the river.

24:17Here's our...

24:19..our pee bottle.

24:21Ugh! That's so gross!

24:24Well, you know, like, there's nowhere to go.

24:27If you're occupying those spaces,

24:29you're massively disruptive,

24:31which means they can't continue with the work that they've got planned.

24:34Yeah.

24:35If we stay there and we have enough food and water and stuff,

24:38we could just stay there forever and they can never remove us.

24:41What would you like to see happen?

24:43Like, what are you guys trying to achieve?

24:45Just... They stop the project.

24:47It's going to cost so, so much money, like, taxpayers' money

24:51that we need right now, like, for Covid, for the NHS.

24:54Have you got, um, professionals kind of taking cases to the courts

25:00and stuff like that, so it's...

25:02Yeah, so it's like a two-pronged attack.

25:04Yeah.

25:06I think we can win.

25:07Really? Yeah, definitely.

25:09Blue's brother, Leza, is currently disrupting another HS2 site

25:14and narrowly avoided serious injury during a recent eviction.

25:19That's Leza, yeah.

25:21He's about to fall off!

25:24He's going to fall off!

25:25He's going to fall off!

25:26What are you doing?

25:28Fuck!

25:30Stop this!

25:33Are you all right?

25:35Wow.

25:39He's really lucky, that kind of fall.

25:41He's so lucky.

25:42Some people kind of label your movement, oh, you know, they don't really know what they're fighting for.

25:54They're sort of these liberal snowflakes, the millennials.

25:58Do you find that offensive or do you sort of take that label and wear it with pride?

26:03My affinity group in XR is actually called the Snowflakes, so they're sort of re-owning the word, taking it back.

26:13It's quite nice, like, your special snowflake.

26:15There are more offensive things to be called.

26:18Yeah.

26:22You know, it is commendable, a lot of what they're doing.

26:26I think that's when I was 18.

26:27Luton and my gang and my existence was the centre of my universe.

26:34I couldn't care less what was going on further afield, and that's just not the case for these girls.

26:42Right, this is cold water.

26:49How often do you do a wash, Brock?

26:51Maybe about once a month.

26:53Oh, wow.

26:54Yeah.

26:55How long have you washed your clothes like this for?

26:57I'm not sure.

26:58When the washing machine broke down a long time ago.

27:01My very white legs.

27:02Me too.

27:03For me, off-grid life seems quite daunting.

27:14But Rock seems to take it in his stride.

27:17It's quite nice.

27:18It sort of makes it more fun if you go around in circles.

27:20Sometimes they go...

27:21The island is easy to fall in love with.

27:36Just be careful.

27:37Yeah.

27:38I will fish you out till you go in.

27:40Will, you promise, yeah.

27:42Despite no electricity, I'm surprised to discover Rock manages to keep in contact with the outside world.

27:48Thanks to his solar-powered office.

27:55So, now, this is really wobbly.

27:56Don't worry.

27:57So, just step on the middle of this one.

27:58All right.

28:03So, this is all over 4G?

28:04You haven't got Wi-Fi?

28:06Um, no Wi-Fi.

28:08And this is all quite new.

28:09This was maybe about a year or two years.

28:12They built, about 20 miles that way, there's an island called Coal.

28:15And they built a radio mast there.

28:17And suddenly we had 4G, which was just completely strange for us.

28:21Hello, Clive.

28:22Hi, Rock. How are you?

28:23Very good, thank you.

28:24Hey, Rob.

28:25Hey, Sophie.

28:26Hey!

28:27Hello.

28:28Hey, Stacey.

28:29Bye-bye.

28:31Rock and his friends are planning protests for their newly founded group, Ocean Rebellion.

28:36So, we decided to plan an action targeting the International Maritime Organization to get ships off fossil fuels.

28:45How nervous are you about the possibility of being arrested?

28:49Well, I've been arrested before.

28:51Have you got kids?

28:52I've got two kids.

28:53Two kids.

28:54They're 14 and 12.

28:55I've always been very open with them about what I'm doing and about the climate crisis as well.

29:01At 62, these days Rock is spending more time on the planning than the protesting.

29:07I'm curious if he thinks his children feel obliged to take his place on the front line.

29:12Do you think they feel a level of, um, kind of pressure to constantly be on the scene because you've done so well and you've been so vocal?

29:22Do you think the kids think, oh, God, I don't want to let Dad down. I want to do him proud?

29:28I know that they, I know that they know what they're doing and I know that they've chosen to do what they do.

29:34So my emotion isn't really worrying. It's sort of just being really, really proud of them for, for knowing what to do, knowing what they want.

29:42And this is, is, is stressful, but I'm also extremely proud, you know, and often I start crying, you know, I try not to now.

29:49I'm extremely proud of them. They're incredible.

29:52What makes you sound emotional?

29:54They're just so courageous, you know, they've got, they're, they're fighting this huge, huge machine that is much, much stronger than them.

30:02And they're just, they're, they're brave enough to do it, them and their friends.

30:07And that gives me hope.

30:11Well, of course, off do.

30:17It's not usual for a parent to say they're bursting with pride because their kids are kind of aggravating the authorities or getting arrested.

30:29But it's sort of understandable in this case because he truly sort of lives and breathes activism.

30:41You know, inevitably I'm going to leave here and think more about how I travel, what I buy, what I consume.

30:48You know, I think that's really healthy.

30:57This is so crazy beautiful.

31:00This is our sort of, our, our token tropical beach.

31:03Blue and Savannah have clearly taken on board their father's concerns for the world and are following his example.

31:14But I just wonder, at what cost?

31:17Gail's sort of touched on last night, the emotional sort of turmoil that you experience when you start to understand the enormity of, of the situation.

31:32When did you start to really understand the severity and really feel like, do you know what, I have to dedicate a huge amount of my life to, to fight this?

31:43I think there's a feeling, there's a kind of fear that things will get much worse.

31:49It's very selfish, but I wish that I didn't know about any of this.

31:53There was an, an organisation called Birthstrike was started, which was, uh, people who were, um, talking about the fact that they didn't feel safe bringing children into, um, sorry.

32:12Um, into, into the world that, that we've inherited.

32:22I, I kind of read through all this stuff and it was a very strange feeling because it was a lot of things that I felt subconsciously sort of being echoed back to me.

32:32And I called Blue up, um, and I, and I said, have you seen all this Birthstrike stuff?

32:37And she said, yeah, um, you're, you're not having children because of climate change, are you?

32:43And I was like, yeah, and you're not either, are you?

32:46And she said, yeah.

32:47And it was something we'd both already always known that we were never going to have children.

32:52We'd always spoken about that.

32:53Um, and I think we'd never, we maybe hadn't even admitted to ourselves why it was almost like everything coming together and being like, oh, you know, the reason why is because we had this childhood where, you know,

33:06that was really scary in a lot of ways.

33:10For me, I would not want to be born into, like, you know, my children's generation because of what's happening in the world.

33:19So I can't inflict that on another person.

33:22And dad is totally devastated by all of this because he believes really strongly that children are this good, children are a force for good.

33:29Your dad seems cautiously optimistic.

33:33He's very optimistic.

33:34Yeah.

33:40I don't envy them particularly.

33:42I think it was much simpler when I was growing up, for example.

33:47I actually think it's really brave and really honest of them to say, of course, I'm thinking I'm not going to have kids because I'm alarmed at the state of the world.

33:59And I think that gives you an idea of how massive this all feels to them on a day to day basis.

34:07Where's the washing line?

34:17I have the washing line just here.

34:18Oh, perfect.

34:22These are your long johns.

34:23Those are my long johns.

34:24This is my top, which has seen better days slightly.

34:28Oh, Rock.

34:30I'd offer to buy you a new one, but I know that's not really what you're after.

34:33I should just offer to mend that.

34:36Yeah.

34:38I do enjoy spending time with Rock.

34:42I wonder whether his fears about climate change have had adverse effects on Daughters Blue and Savannah.

34:49I get the impression that you felt quite upset when the girls said, actually, at this moment, right now, we're thinking we don't want to have kids.

34:58It's upsetting that that's the situation that's making people feel like that.

35:03It's for them, you know.

35:04I mean, for me, it'd be fantastic to have grandchildren, but it's for them to decide.

35:07It's not for me.

35:08Do you ever worry that you've exposed them to too much?

35:13You've given them too much knowledge, and that has been detrimental to their happiness or their youth, their childhood?

35:21I've always thought that trust is the most important thing between parents and children.

35:29You've got to tell the truth to people, even if it's hard.

35:32So the reality, it shouldn't be that it's hard. It doesn't need to be this hard truth that one's telling people.

35:36But given that it is, then I think they need to know, I'm afraid.

35:39Does any part of you feel responsible when the girls are saying, at this moment, right now, I don't think I want to have kids?

35:48Well, yeah, maybe. But I feel to have been dishonest just so they have kids would not be right.

35:55You know, it's not what I would want.

35:57I, you know, I'm quite optimistic about the future in a way.

35:59I think we can change all this.

36:03And we can make a lovely future for everyone.

36:05You know, that's what we need to do.

36:06I love it when you say that, Rog.

36:08It can all feel...

36:11You can think, oh, this is horrendous, we're all doomed, I'm full of despair.

36:15But then you always say, I am optimistic, I'm cautiously optimistic, if it happens now.

36:20Yeah.

36:22So that sort of fills me back up with...

36:25..with hope.

36:27Climate change is a big worry.

36:34And I'm still not sure I've got what it takes to survive off-grid.

36:41So, this is all the... this is the marrow.

36:44Do you want to see if you can see a good one?

36:46It's a bit like sort of looking for Easter eggs.

36:48This is a really embarrassing, ridiculous thing to say.

36:52I'm not entirely sure I know what a marrow looks like.

36:54Oh, right, it's like a big courgette.

36:56What, can you see one?

36:58There.

36:59Oh, wow.

37:00You're... you're a natural at finding them.

37:02You've got the size of it, Rog.

37:05Yeah, I haven't seen anything like it, actually.

37:07So you just chop it off at the end, like a courgette.

37:09Right, okay.

37:11Oh, wow.

37:12It's a big old boy.

37:13This is like I carried a watermelon.

37:14That iconic scene.

37:15Yeah.

37:16In Dirty Dancing.

37:17Oh, really?

37:18Do you know what I mean?

37:19No, I don't.

37:20No, I'll send you a clip.

37:21Oh, I'd love to see.

37:22Hey!

37:23It feels like it needs a kind of a grand welcoming.

37:24Let me blow the bugle.

37:25The marrow call.

37:26I can't.

37:27I can't.

37:28I can't.

37:29I can't.

37:30I can't.

37:31I can't.

37:33Life on Gometra with rot is infectious.

37:35Yes, it's not.

37:36You can't.

37:37No.

37:38No.

37:39No.

37:40No.

37:41No.

37:42No.

37:44No.

37:45No.

37:46No.

37:47No.

37:48No.

37:49No.

37:50No.

37:52No.

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37:58No.

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38:00No.

38:01No.

38:02No.

38:03No.

38:05And I do wonder how different I'd be if I'd grown up on the islands.

38:08I mean, this has obviously been an enormous part of your dad's life for decades.

38:15How much influence do you think he's had over you guys?

38:19I think it's maybe less about how dad's influenced us and more about the circumstances we've grown up in.

38:25We do very different things.

38:27So I first got involved when I was in Scotland, which had nothing to do with dad.

38:32Blue got involved in the youth movement, which had nothing to do with dad.

38:34I think if I didn't have dad or mum as my parents, I'd definitely be an activist, I think.

38:41I have an insight, which is that they are much better protesters than me.

38:47Yeah?

38:48And they've kind of completely left me behind.

38:50Which suggests to me that...

38:51That's not true.

38:52They have, and I think that suggests to me that it's not as if they are just following my lead, because they're way ahead of me.

38:56What are your plans for the next couple of weeks?

38:59I'm going to go back to the HS2 sites, because winter's starting, so everyone's kind of leaving because it's cold and so it needs people there.

39:09To rev it back up.

39:10Yeah.

39:11Is something like the HS2, for example, is that worth dying for?

39:18I don't think so.

39:20What do you think, Rog?

39:22I'd say it's worth risking your life for.

39:27Like, if you knew you were going to die, maybe you shouldn't, but to stick your neck out, yeah, it is worth it.

39:35You know, if you're really unlucky and you die, it was probably worth it in the fight.

39:44If you truly, in your gut, believe that you are standing up for what is right, whether I agree with you or not, as long as you're not sort of inciting hatred or suppressing anyone, I think it's very commendable.

39:59You have to dedicate so much of your life for, sometimes not very much.

40:08So, have we told, we've told you a little bit about Gomitra Theatre Festival?

40:12Not really.

40:14So, the spirit of Gomitra Theatre Festival is that you can bring anything to the table.

40:18So, people often write like 30 seconds plays or they do a bit of singing or, you know, whatever.

40:22So, am I about to perform for you all? Is that what you're trying to tell me?

40:27Well, what we were talking about is if we could have a mini Gomitra Theatre Festival and we could all revive some of our plays for you.

40:34Yes, yes. That sounds like a much better idea.

40:40I've got one. Look.

40:41Look.

40:50I've experienced a lot in my life, right?

40:53I've never in my life experienced anything quite like the Gomitra Theatre Festival.

41:02Oh, Blue. Come give us a bow, Blue.

41:03There's something really quite sweet about the three of them.

41:13They're quite a tight gang.

41:18Hello, officer.

41:20Yes, yes, I came home and there were two naked people in my polytunnel.

41:24Yes, it's where we went today to get the marrow.

41:30I've got to say that is one of the more surreal nights I've had.

41:33I am feeling very excited to go back to the mainland.

41:49How do you smell?

41:52I smell disgusting.

41:54I could have washed but the water's freezing cold so I'd rather just...

41:58I'd rather just go in and bear it and wait until I can have a bath.

42:02Hello. Hiya. Hello.

42:05I've come for the final cuppa, guys.

42:07Really?

42:09Are you going to miss me, Rock?

42:11Very much.

42:12Yeah, good.

42:15I think it's been really lovely and so I'm really glad you came.

42:19It's been really amazing.

42:21You have given me things to think about, you know?

42:25Maybe do a bit less of everything, not be so greedy.

42:31Cheers to that.

42:33My last cup of sage tea for a while, I suspect.

42:36Cheers, Rob.

42:38Thank you, Rock.

42:40Thank you very much.

42:50Thank you, Rock!

42:52Very much.

42:53We're currently in the down shaft of the tunnel in Euston Square Gardens.

43:17It's not trivial to solve this problem, but if we get it right, the future can be incredible

43:22for everyone. It can be just really beautiful.

43:52.

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