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In this segment of 5Live, the discussion centers on the science of longevity and the potential for humans to live to 150. The programme examines the desire of powerful leaders to extend their time, exploring if this is science fiction or an impending reality.
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00:00All right, let's move on to the other big focus we have here on Five Live.
00:03Now, the next set of pictures that we will float on your screen
00:06are about leaders who have shaken hands, signed pacts, threatened wars.
00:12But what happens when the world's most powerful men,
00:16Putin, Xi, Kim, drop geopolitics,
00:20and start whispering about living forever?
00:24This wasn't AI or science fiction.
00:27This was a real conversation caught on a hot mic
00:30between two nuclear armed leaders.
00:34Not about peace, not about power,
00:36but about defying death, living forever.
00:40It was strangely intimate.
00:43And now some conspiracy theories saying that perhaps not unplanned either.
00:49Here's a glimpse into the minds of men
00:51who already control everything except time.
00:55Let's decode what they said and what it reveals
00:58about this global race to outsmart aging itself.
01:03Outsmart and always stay in power.
01:06This is now the race to defy age.
01:09When Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, Kim Jong-un gathered in Beijing,
01:17the world expected serious talks about war, alliances, trade, and peace.
01:24But what no one expected was a hot mic moment
01:28that revealed something far stranger.
01:32A conversation not about strategy, but about conquering age.
01:37As the leaders walked towards the Victory Day parades reviewing the stands,
01:42a live mic picked up a candid exchange between President Xi and President Putin.
01:48Not about Ukraine.
01:49Not about NATO.
01:51But about living longer.
01:53Xi was overheard saying,
01:55In the past, people rarely lived beyond 70.
01:58But today, 70 is like being a child.
02:02Putin then replied saying,
02:04With biotechnology, organs can now be transplanted again and again.
02:09People can live longer, maybe even achieve immortality.
02:14Xi then added,
02:15Some say people might live up to 150 years in this century.
02:20Kim Jong-un, just 41, didn't say much.
02:24But he was listening.
02:26Now, this wasn't just some idle chatter between aging leaders.
02:30It's part of a much bigger story.
02:33A real globe race to slow, stop, and even reverse aging.
02:38From gene therapy to cellular reprogramming.
02:42From anti-aging drugs to lab-grown organs.
02:45Science is rapidly closing in on the mechanics of aging.
02:49And the idea of living to 120 or even 150 is no longer science fiction.
02:57And if you're wondering who's taking this most seriously,
03:02meet Brian Johnson.
03:04The American tech millionaire is spending over 2 million a year
03:16on a project he calls Blueprint.
03:18A full-body anti-aging protocol with the hashtag
03:22Don't Die.
03:24He claims he has reversed his biological age by over 5 years,
03:28according to some of the tests.
03:29By, again, using gene therapy, plasma exchange,
03:33dozens of pills a day,
03:35and tracking everything from his sleep
03:37to the elasticity of his veins.
03:40He claims his organs now function like those
03:43of his 18-year-old son.
03:46Other billionaires, Jeff Bezos, Peter Thiel,
03:49Google's Calico,
03:50are backing longevity startups
03:52aiming to delay death
03:54and hack the human lifespan.
03:57Now, there is a conspiracy theory during the rounds
04:00that this hot mic moment wasn't an accident at all,
04:03but a deliberate leak by Putin himself.
04:07Why?
04:07Because speculation about his health has been growing.
04:11Multiple public appearances
04:12have captured unexplained tremors in his hand,
04:16fueling rumours that he may be battling a hidden ailment.
04:20But, regardless of that,
04:22when Xi and Putin talk about living longer,
04:25it's not just philosophy,
04:27it is science.
04:29And for leaders who control nations,
04:31it's not just about staying in power,
04:33it's about staying, period.
04:36Because in a world where technology can slow aging,
04:40the most powerful may no longer worry about legacy.
04:44They may be preparing to outlive it.
04:47So, here's the question.
04:49Is immortality humanity's next breakthrough
04:52or the ultimate illusion of control?
04:55Tell us what you think about it.
04:57Would you want to live forever?
05:00Sonal Merotra Kapoor, India Today.
05:02I'm not sure if I want to live forever.
05:04I don't know about you.
05:05But clearly, those in power want to stay in power forever.
05:10And they are showing no signs of aging.
05:13So, is that the next breakthrough now?
05:15Let's open it up to our guests now.
05:17Joining us is Kumar Bagdoria.
05:19He's the neuroscientist founder of
05:21Healthy Aging and Longitivity Enhancement.
05:24Also with us is Max Krishner.
05:26He's the co-founder and chief scientist officer
05:28at Soba Health,
05:29India's first full-stack gut health platform.
05:32Hello, gentlemen, to both of you.
05:34Let me go to Kumar first.
05:36Kumar, you do stuff like that for people.
05:38You do analysis.
05:39You understand from their brain,
05:42from their other body markers
05:44to say how long they will live,
05:46what are the ways in which you can make them live longer.
05:49So, this is not science fiction, right?
05:52I just want to get your first comment here.
05:54When the most powerful leaders are saying,
05:56well, 70 is just a baby.
05:58You're going to live till 150.
06:00This is actually true.
06:02They just might.
06:03Of course.
06:07First of all, Sonal,
06:08thank you for having me on the show.
06:10I wouldn't go so far
06:12about talking about immortality,
06:14but definitely extending your lifespan
06:17and healthspan along with it
06:19is a reality now.
06:21I think, you know,
06:23in the last few years,
06:24we've given too much credence
06:26to this word longevity.
06:28And, you know, incidents
06:30like what you are showing right now
06:32with these three very powerful
06:33and aging world leaders
06:35brings to, you know,
06:37to the fore of this concept of living law.
06:39They are showing no signs.
06:42But look at it this way.
06:45When the first pacemaker was installed
06:49in somebody's heart,
06:51that was in the 1950s.
06:55That was, in my view,
06:57a longevity moment,
06:59way ahead of what we are talking about right now.
07:02Where you were allowing
07:03a foreign mechanical object
07:05in your heart
07:06to ensure that you live longer.
07:09So now, 60, 65 years later,
07:12if you are talking about
07:14artificial organs,
07:16you know, synthetic blood,
07:18and several other path-breaking technologies
07:21to, again,
07:23give another maybe 50, 60, 70 years,
07:26I'm not surprised.
07:28Not surprised?
07:29So you're saying
07:29it's pretty doable.
07:30Let me bring in somebody
07:31who doesn't think
07:32it's very doable.
07:34Max, you are not very convinced
07:35on all this tech and science
07:37that is really going
07:38and doing the rounds.
07:40There are, of course,
07:40ethical questions.
07:41We'll park that for later.
07:42I don't want to get into that just yet.
07:44I want to talk about pure science
07:46and say,
07:47is this possible
07:48in today's day and age?
07:51We have a couple of techniques
07:52available, right?
07:53And I'll request the producers
07:54to sort of pop those graphics
07:55up on the screen as well.
07:56There's something called
07:57organ transplantation
07:59and regeneration.
08:00There is now
08:01cellular reprogramming
08:03that's available.
08:05There are anti-aging drugs.
08:07There are gene therapy,
08:08CRISPR, as it's been called,
08:10in very advanced stages as well.
08:11With so much of research
08:14and resources across the globe
08:16going into longevity,
08:18why are you not convinced
08:20that this could just be a reality?
08:22Hey, Sal.
08:23Thank you for having me,
08:24first of all.
08:25I'm very happy to be here today.
08:28Second to say is,
08:29first of all,
08:29I'm very optimistic
08:30about us actually solving
08:33death as a problem.
08:35I think that the consensus
08:37in the scientific community today
08:39becomes to be that aging
08:41is a disease.
08:43And once you understand
08:44the mechanisms of this disease,
08:47then potentially you can solve it
08:48just like any other disease.
08:50Hold on, Max.
08:50You said aging is a disease?
08:53I thought aging is the most natural thing
08:57that humans go through.
08:59But if you think of it,
09:00nobody dies from aging, right?
09:02People die from heart attacks
09:03or from cancer
09:04or from diabetes,
09:05but they never die from old age, right?
09:08Something in the body breaks eventually.
09:10And this is why aging
09:12has become a paradigm.
09:13And I think that we are developing
09:16this amazing ability
09:17to think systemically.
09:21Instead of focusing on any single organ
09:23in the body
09:25or any single system,
09:27we are able to start answering
09:30very complicated questions
09:32with complicated but right answers, right?
09:36So technology like genomic sequencing,
09:38microbiome science,
09:40metabolomics, right?
09:41The science of every metabolite
09:42in the body.
09:43And there's more of those coming in.
09:45Once those are integrated together
09:46into a singular system,
09:48then we can definitely start seeing
09:49and we're already seeing
09:51some of the benefits of that approach
09:53because complicated questions
09:55require complicated answers.
09:57Where I'm a bit more pessimistic
10:00about specific technology
10:03solving these problems, right?
10:04because we still can't
10:08transplant the brain, right?
10:10So what happens then?
10:11Will you actually become immortal?
10:13So I think that
10:14it's going to be a very interesting
10:1610, 20, 25 years
10:18where we would definitely see
10:20massive increases in health span
10:22because some of the problems
10:25that plague our society
10:27like metabolic diseases,
10:28for example,
10:29will be solved permanently.
10:31They will have cure for diabetes
10:33for example.
10:36But I think that
10:38to achieve immortality,
10:40it's probably possible,
10:41but it will happen
10:43at a later stage.
10:45All right then.
10:46So,
10:47so fair to say,
10:49so is it fair to say,
10:50Kumar,
10:50coming here,
10:52that if GLP-1 drugs
10:55is the biggest story,
10:57perhaps the biggest medical revolution
10:58revolution of our times,
11:01the next big GLP moment
11:04would be in longevity.
11:05So I'm trying to understand from you
11:07which is going to be that science
11:09that takes us into
11:11that living till 120,
11:13150 conversation
11:14amongst all the five
11:16that I've mentioned
11:16and are popping on the screen as well.
11:18I would place my bet
11:21on one of the five
11:22which you've got on your screen
11:23which is AI and CRISPR,
11:28you know,
11:28really helping with gene editing.
11:31That would be one of my top picks.
11:34And the second one
11:34which is not on your screen
11:36is we're already seeing
11:38huge strides being made
11:40in artificial hearts,
11:43artificial kidneys,
11:44artificial lungs
11:45and believe it or not,
11:48synthetic blood.
11:50Now when you have these three,
11:52you know,
11:52the heart,
11:53the lungs,
11:54the kidneys
11:55and your blood
11:56being sorted,
11:58being sorted on demand
11:59at scale,
12:01what does that mean
12:02for some of the top killers today?
12:05What does it mean for diabetes,
12:07high blood pressure,
12:08cancer,
12:10phenomenal,
12:10any cardiovascular disease.
12:12So at one shot,
12:14just with these three
12:15or four technologies
12:16and with CRISPR,
12:17gene editing and AI
12:18playing a massive role
12:19in developing new drugs,
12:21new molecule
12:22which can be customized
12:23to people
12:24and available
12:25to just about anyone,
12:27of course,
12:28over a period of time.
12:29I think these things
12:30will come together
12:31for a very,
12:32very powerful
12:33and potent combination.
12:35But not available
12:38to everyone,
12:38right, Kumar?
12:39This is going to be available
12:41to the most powerful
12:44and perhaps
12:45the most connected,
12:48perhaps the ones
12:49with the maximum bank balance.
12:51This is not a tech
12:52that will be available
12:53for all.
12:53Well,
12:54initially,
12:56that might be the case.
12:58But as with most technologies,
13:00once you reach
13:01an inflection point
13:02in terms of scale
13:03and costs,
13:04I think they will find
13:06more widespread adoption.
13:09I also want to say something,
13:12Sonal,
13:12I believe we are living
13:14in a golden era
13:15when it comes to longevity
13:16and here's why.
13:17On one hand,
13:19we've got this amazing future
13:21which is being dictated
13:23by technology
13:24and on the other hand,
13:26we still live in a present
13:28where we have access
13:30to ancient wisdom
13:31with therapies
13:34determined by Ayurveda,
13:36natural healing.
13:37And I think when both
13:38of those two come together,
13:40you've got a very,
13:41very powerful combination.
13:42That I agree.
13:43That I agree.
13:44We need a wholesome knowledge
13:45to actually come into play.
13:47But Max,
13:48you know,
13:48some of the viewers
13:49watching this right now
13:50must be wondering
13:50what is this CRISPR?
13:52What are these gene therapies
13:53that these guys
13:53and these science nerds
13:55are really talking about?
13:56Could you decode it
13:57in simple language
13:58which you do so well
14:00about what does this mean?
14:02What are these therapies
14:03really doing?
14:04This entire science
14:05of anti-aging,
14:07what is it based on?
14:08Is it sort of
14:09making changes
14:12to my current DNA?
14:14Or is it ensuring
14:16that new stuff
14:18is injected in my body?
14:19What is this exactly?
14:22Sure.
14:23So it's actually
14:24quite simple.
14:26Every living organism
14:27has DNA
14:30as the molecule
14:33that confers
14:34the information
14:35for how to build
14:37that organism, right?
14:38So for example,
14:40some of the things,
14:41some of the genes
14:42that we have,
14:43they've been conserved
14:44for millions
14:44and millions of years.
14:45One example is that
14:46a human being
14:47and a banana,
14:48they share 50%
14:49of their DNA, right?
14:50So if we compare
14:51the DNA sequence
14:52of myself,
14:53for example,
14:54and a banana,
14:55half of it
14:56will actually
14:56exactly match.
14:59Fascinating.
15:00Yeah.
15:01That's pretty cool.
15:02Yeah.
15:02And DNA
15:05has only four letters,
15:07A, T, C, and G,
15:08and no spaces,
15:10no punctuation marks,
15:11just the sequence
15:12that confers
15:13all of this information,
15:14how to build a max
15:15or a sonal
15:16or a banana, right?
15:18And recently,
15:20in the last,
15:21let's say,
15:2250 years,
15:24we've developed
15:25the ability
15:25to be able
15:26to read DNA,
15:27to take a DNA molecule
15:28and basically understand
15:30what is the order
15:31of the bases,
15:32this A, T, C, and G bases
15:34in that specific molecule.
15:36And in the last
15:3710 or 12 years,
15:38we've actually gained
15:39the ability
15:40to do this
15:40at a massive scale.
15:42This is the reason
15:43why, by the way,
15:44all the DNA found
15:46or any chair
15:48that the leaders touched
15:50or any cup
15:50that they took a sip in
15:51or even their poops
15:53are now being wrapped up
15:54and being taken away.
15:55This is why
15:55the world leaders
15:56don't want to leave
15:57behind any biometric
15:58because that's
15:59like intelligence gold.
16:02Absolutely.
16:03So the moment
16:05we know
16:06the sequence,
16:07we can actually infer
16:08some of the traits
16:09that the sequence
16:10will cause to everybody
16:11heard about mutations,
16:12right?
16:12So mutations,
16:13they can cause cancer,
16:14certain diseases.
16:15So if you can detect
16:17those mutations early,
16:18this is called
16:19the genetic testing.
16:20This is something
16:21that we already
16:21implied today
16:22and we can come
16:23to the person
16:24and say,
16:24hey, you know,
16:25you're about to get
16:25this or that disease.
16:27Be aware.
16:28Now, with CRISPR technology,
16:30we, if you think of it
16:31like a Word document,
16:34right?
16:35Now, we can only,
16:37we not can only read,
16:38but we can also write DNA.
16:40So we have copy-paste abilities,
16:42we have cut abilities,
16:43we have editing abilities,
16:44right?
16:44Now we can start
16:45editing this text.
16:46And that becomes
16:47very powerful
16:48because now
16:49we also have technologies
16:50to deliver
16:51this new DNA
16:52throughout the body
16:54in a relatively
16:55safe ways.
16:57So now we can start
16:58correcting these mutations
16:59and there's been,
17:00you know,
17:00over the last
17:01five or six years,
17:02there have been kids
17:03with some progenital conditions
17:04that were incurable before
17:06that got completely cured
17:09because of this technology.
17:11We're now using it
17:12to reprogram immune cells,
17:13to attack cancer cells.
17:14It's called
17:14CAR T-cell technology.
17:16It's already being employed.
17:17It's potentially a cure
17:19for many types of cancer
17:20and so on and so forth.
17:22So we can basically start
17:23even making whole organisms
17:25that are completely synthetic,
17:27right?
17:27We can just wipe the DNA
17:29and make a synthetic bacteria.
17:31This was done a few years
17:32back in the US.
17:33So very, very exciting
17:35times ahead.
17:36But tell me this,
17:37Max and Kumar,
17:38if you can add on
17:39to that as well.
17:40Is there a single human being
17:42currently on the planet
17:44who has used this?
17:46Or are we still talking
17:47about all these tests
17:49and this being a reality
17:51perhaps in the future
17:52and being tested
17:52only on animals so far?
17:55Well, there are instances
17:58of very specific CRISPR
18:02and gene editing protocols
18:03being used for individuals
18:05with extremely rare genetic disorders.
18:09And those are few and far between.
18:12And yes, it is still out of reach
18:14of the average individual,
18:17not just because in terms of cost,
18:20but also the risk.
18:21So unless somebody has got
18:23a very highlighted risk factor,
18:25which poses a life threat,
18:28you know, people are also averse
18:30to going for such procedures.
18:32But certainly I find in the last,
18:34I would say 12 to 18 months,
18:37that AI is actually helping
18:39this process become faster.
18:40So there are instances already
18:42and especially with the younger children
18:45where they are being given
18:47some of these, you know,
18:49gene editing programs
18:51just to help safeguard them
18:53from a really life-threatening
18:56or a debilitating disease.
18:58Max?
18:59Yeah, so I think that Kumar
19:04nailed the nail on the head, basically,
19:08because there are some safety concerns
19:13in systemic delivery of these molecules.
19:16But with tissues like blood
19:18or immune cells, for example,
19:19these technologies are already FDA-approved
19:21and used in tens of thousands
19:23of patients with cancer.
19:25CAR T cell is, I think,
19:26the most advanced example
19:28where scientists would actually
19:30take immune cells from the patient
19:32and engineer them
19:34to attack the cancer
19:35of this patient specifically.
19:36Yes, it actually happened
19:37in India as well.
19:38And then they would introduce them back.
19:39Yes.
19:40Yeah, yeah.
19:40Very successfully done
19:42and by Indian doctors,
19:43they saved the life
19:44of a nine-year-old girl
19:45whose cancer had come back
19:48for the third time
19:49and they managed to cure her.
19:51And so that's been marvelous, really.
19:52So gene therapy has clearly worked.
19:54But in cancer cases,
19:55we are looking at gene therapy
19:56to actually reverse age.
19:58So let's now turn to the issues here,
20:03the very ethical questions.
20:05Everybody's already talking about
20:06how now you can customize
20:10or what is the word there?
20:12Boutique your child.
20:15You can now pick what color of eyes you want,
20:20what color, what kind of nose,
20:22what kind of features,
20:23in fact, not just physical features,
20:26brain development also,
20:28what will be the triggers or not,
20:29all of this is being discussed.
20:31Again, I want a quick fact check
20:34over here from Kumar.
20:35How far is it from actually happening?
20:38Or is this still sort of limited
20:40to the labs so far?
20:42Yeah, I have yet to see
20:44a successful case
20:47where all of this has been done.
20:49Some of these are certainly
20:52at advanced stages
20:54in different forms
20:56in various labs,
20:58not for a single individual
21:00as a whole
21:01where everything is sort of pre-programmed
21:04or let's say bioprogrammed.
21:05I don't think that's happening.
21:07But what is a real possibility,
21:10and I think very soon
21:11in a matter of few years,
21:13you will have
21:13is, you know,
21:15implantable devices in your brain.
21:18We already know
21:19of some very successful startups globally.
21:23Imagine the kind of abilities
21:25those give you
21:26in terms of cognitive abilities,
21:29consciousness,
21:30your ability to retain information,
21:33compute your emotions,
21:36all of that.
21:38And I think that is going to be
21:40way more powerful,
21:41not just for disease reversal,
21:45but also for anybody
21:46wanting to live really long.
21:48You know,
21:48the real bottleneck
21:50is not going to be your heart
21:51or your skin
21:52or your muscle.
21:53The real bottleneck
21:54is going to be your brain,
21:56your consciousness,
21:57your ability
21:57to be salient.
21:59Can I just bring
22:01a balancing point
22:02of you here?
22:03While any scientist
22:05or anybody
22:06who understands
22:07this field very well
22:07like Max and Kumar
22:08clearly do,
22:09when you talk to them,
22:10they'll say,
22:10oh, this is a marvelous innovation.
22:12Look at the potential
22:13that it'll bring, etc.
22:15The viewer right now
22:16is wondering,
22:17that's all that is left.
22:18There was one
22:19supercomputer that I had
22:21which was my brain
22:22and now that's also
22:24outsourced to a machine.
22:25So clearly this is,
22:26there are those
22:27who are going to call it
22:28doomsday.
22:29Max,
22:29what's your opinion
22:30on this one?
22:33I,
22:34from my experience,
22:35very limited experience
22:37in the field of ethics,
22:38I would say that
22:39the technology,
22:42whenever a new technology
22:43that's generally
22:44life-changing comes,
22:46it's only a question
22:47of when
22:48and how
22:49is it going to be used
22:50but not a question
22:51of will it,
22:53right?
22:54So,
22:55flying,
22:56I think,
22:56is the most common example,
22:57right?
22:58When we had
22:59the first airplanes,
22:59people said,
23:00oh,
23:00people are not meant
23:01to fly.
23:02We have birds for that,
23:03right?
23:03and look at us now.
23:06So,
23:06will it be used
23:07for good or for evil?
23:09Probably for both.
23:12Probably for both.
23:13So,
23:13Kumar,
23:14what's your,
23:14what's your take here?
23:17Should,
23:17how far should this go?
23:19This is,
23:19this is the same debate
23:20as AI.
23:21How far should we go on
23:23to empower?
23:24I mean,
23:25I'm looking at it
23:26because,
23:28you know,
23:28come to think of it,
23:29we still don't have
23:30so much of research
23:30when it comes to
23:31pregnancy in women.
23:32We still don't have
23:33so much of research
23:34when it comes to
23:35basic cough and cold
23:36on what these medicines
23:37are really doing to us.
23:39Isn't that,
23:40we still have
23:40such limited information
23:42when it comes to
23:43so many kinds of cancers
23:44that are really out there.
23:46Right?
23:46So,
23:47what are we spending
23:48our time,
23:48money and energy
23:49in living longer
23:50or really solving it
23:52for the masses?
23:52Like,
23:53this is such an elitist view
23:54at the end of the day.
23:55Meant
23:56for clearly the leaders
23:57on our screens
23:58because they really
23:59care about it.
24:00But the countries
24:01they run,
24:02the people
24:02that they take care of,
24:04they don't care
24:05about how long
24:06they live.
24:06They want good
24:07quality of life today.
24:10I think that's
24:11a very valid
24:12question,
24:13Sonal.
24:13And let me answer it
24:15from two perspectives.
24:17One,
24:18the need
24:19for self-preservation
24:20is innate
24:22to the human brain.
24:24Since time
24:25immemorial,
24:26that's what's driven
24:27all kinds of progress.
24:29the need
24:30to live longer.
24:31So,
24:31whether it's
24:32vaccines,
24:33whether it's
24:33the pacemaker,
24:34whether it's
24:35medicines of any kind,
24:37we want to live longer.
24:38We want to have
24:39higher life expectancy.
24:40I agree with your question
24:43that,
24:43yes,
24:44perhaps
24:44there is maybe
24:46a little bit
24:48of undue
24:49attention
24:50being given
24:51to longevity
24:52as,
24:53you know,
24:54as a science,
24:55if you can call it,
24:57to say,
24:57how can some of the
24:58top people in the world
24:59live longer?
25:01But I would say
25:01it's just a matter
25:02of time
25:03where a lot
25:04of those sciences,
25:05perhaps currently
25:06being driven
25:07by the rich
25:08and the powerful
25:09will ultimately
25:10find their way,
25:12trickle down
25:12to the,
25:13you know,
25:13to the masses
25:14as well.
25:15So,
25:15unless you have
25:16some Phillips
25:17maybe driven
25:18by,
25:20you know,
25:20power,
25:20maybe driven
25:21by ego,
25:22maybe driven
25:22by a desire
25:24to be immortal
25:25or play God,
25:26whatever it is,
25:27ultimately
25:28that research
25:29dollars are being
25:30found in those labs
25:31and they will
25:32make their way.
25:33so I wouldn't
25:34really paint it
25:35with that paintbrush
25:36to say that,
25:36you know,
25:37it is really
25:37just an ego trip.
25:39So I don't understand
25:40the quest for immortality.
25:42You know,
25:42I think that is not
25:43just medical science.
25:45One needs to delve
25:46into quantum physics
25:47and, you know,
25:48the quantum realm
25:49as well.
25:50You need to be the leader
25:50of some of the most
25:51powerful nations
25:52in the world
25:53to understand
25:53the rationale
25:54about it,
25:55perhaps,
25:55or be like
25:56back in the day.
25:57But talking about
25:57back in the day,
25:59Max,
26:00I don't know
26:00how familiar you are
26:01with the Indian context,
26:02but say,
26:03for example,
26:04my great-grandmom
26:06lived till about 108
26:08very easily.
26:10There was a generation
26:11before,
26:13two generations
26:14before me,
26:15perhaps,
26:15where the average age
26:17used to be that.
26:19Something happened
26:19in the middle.
26:21So a lot of people
26:22sort of watching this
26:23today would say,
26:24why not just go back
26:25to the basics,
26:26have a clean life?
26:28And that's what's
26:29really required.
26:30Not so much of time,
26:31money,
26:31and effort.
26:32Going into
26:33getting prebiotics,
26:35doing,
26:36you know,
26:36pumping yourselves
26:37with all kinds
26:38of therapies
26:39just so that
26:40you can go on
26:41to have
26:42a longer life,
26:43younger life.
26:46I think that's
26:47a great question.
26:49I actually know
26:50quite a lot
26:50about the Indian context.
26:51I've been here
26:52for the last eight years
26:53helping people,
26:54you know,
26:55live healthier
26:56and longer,
26:57dealing with metabolic
26:58diseases
26:59and gut health issues,
27:00which is probably
27:01two most common
27:02ailments in India,
27:04right?
27:04India is known
27:04to be the diabetes
27:05queen of the world,
27:07but actually
27:09conditions like
27:10IBS and IBD
27:11are almost three times
27:12as large in India
27:13as diabetes is,
27:15right?
27:15so most of us
27:16have some gut
27:16problems.
27:18And I think
27:20that's the lifestyle
27:22that we're having
27:23today,
27:24living in a city,
27:26dealing with the
27:27air quality,
27:28dealing with the
27:30food quality,
27:31dealing with our
27:32own personal
27:33aspirations,
27:34where health
27:35is maybe
27:36top three,
27:38but work
27:38is more important,
27:41right?
27:41And then we wake
27:42up in our 40s
27:43or 50s
27:44with,
27:45you know,
27:45several chronic
27:46conditions saying,
27:46oh,
27:47you know,
27:47what happened?
27:48So,
27:49yes,
27:50it's a matter
27:51of choices
27:51and if we live
27:52naturally somewhere
27:54and we eat
27:54perfectly every day,
27:56then probably
27:57we will live longer,
27:58but once we're
27:59honest with ourselves,
28:01we want to maintain
28:02a certain
28:03lifestyle
28:03that we already
28:04have.
28:05Most people are
28:05contenting the way
28:06they are.
28:08And this is why
28:08it's really important
28:10to identify
28:12the gaps,
28:14especially in our
28:15nutrition early
28:16and then flood
28:18those gaps
28:19either with
28:20food or with
28:21supplements,
28:22right?
28:23So that our body,
28:24and I think this is
28:25in relation to what
28:26Kumar said earlier,
28:27he said,
28:28oh,
28:28you know,
28:28we're going to
28:29live longer because
28:30we're going to have
28:30heart replacements
28:31or limb replacements
28:33or blood replacements.
28:35And that resonates
28:36with me,
28:37but I'm saying,
28:37why get to that?
28:39Why not prevent it
28:40from the first place?
28:42Why not have a
28:42machine at home
28:43that would tell us,
28:44look,
28:44today you need this or that?
28:45That's a great thought
28:46to wrap this conversation
28:47on,
28:48but why not?
28:49Why not clean it
28:50at the source?
28:50Why not clean it
28:51at the beginning?
28:52The question is how?
28:54Can I trust the
28:55vegetables that come
28:55to my house?
28:56Can I trust the air?
28:57Clearly can't.
28:58I can't stay in a bubble.
28:59I can't be like
28:59Brian Johnson
29:00and leave India
29:01or carry air purifier
29:03everywhere.
29:04I can't trust the water.
29:06So there is really,
29:07and that's perhaps
29:08a story that we should
29:09pursue and do it
29:09in another episode.
29:10But for now,
29:11gentlemen,
29:11thank you both
29:12on this very,
29:13very fascinating chat.
29:14Kumar and Max both,
29:15thank you so much
29:16for joining us
29:17here on Five Live.
29:18Thanks.
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