Ruby & Jodi A Cult of Sin and Influence Season 1 Episode 2

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00:00I

00:30our office got a call as this case was was breaking we were hearing that this

00:42was a really bad instance of child abuse and it involved Ruby Frankie's children

00:47you're not in trouble with me okay we're just trying to figure out what's going on

00:55our main focus right now is you okay they had duct tape and clear plastic

01:01underneath the sleeves on both wrists you could smell it the flesh the police

01:10weren't sure how many Frankie siblings were still in the house and the boy

01:14hadn't seen them for some time because they were isolated the police officers

01:19are looking at him in the state that he's in and they're terrified they're

01:23gonna go find a body we need to identify the house if there's two other kids

01:30there we need to go do a security sweep at that house but it was a very large house

01:36with a large concrete bunker basement

01:40and they search the house with guns out looking for children

02:00control 12x11 can you hold the air we're searching the house

02:07and they find a little girl

02:19she's sitting in a closet I can't even imagine how terrified she must have been

02:29hey you okay she was so afraid that she wouldn't come out of a closet

02:35are you scared she wanted to make sure that Jody was giving her permission to do that

02:46over the hours that the first responders sat with her and tried to help her get

02:52comfortable there she's starving she ate a whole pizza this little nine-year-old

02:59girl after she had a full stomach they were able to get her to voluntarily come

03:05out and go to the hospital so that she could be examined for her injuries there

03:10aren't words to describe how you just can't even put yourself in a place of who

03:17would ever do that to a child

03:40there's no other kids besides her while this is happening the police get a search

03:47warrant and they detained Ruby and Jody and do a comprehensive search of the

03:56house looking for evidence of the child abuse they're seeing a bathroom garbage can

04:03full of saran wrap and they found this mixture of honey and cayenne pepper the boy had injuries from

04:13the handcuffs that were wrapped in this saran wrap and then duct tape we later found out that's how

04:19they were treating his wounds is rather than putting an antibiotic on they were putting honey

04:23and cayenne pepper in the open wounds and then the officers find what looks like a built-in safe

04:29and when they've opened it it's a panic room in this panic room they find the handcuffs and the rope

04:38that the boy had left in a bedroom earlier that day when he escaped and so it's clear that after he'd

04:46run away Jody had gone back into the house and tried to hide evidence of the abuse

04:51Shelby Lofton joins us live from Utah County so I'll talk to you a little bit about this story I work

05:04for KSL 5 News which is in the local news TV market in Salt Lake City right before our morning editorial

05:13meeting I learned that something had gone down with Ruby Frankie I share with my newsroom that I used to

05:23watch Ruby's family vlogging channel and I think we should look into it and my manager said we need to get

05:31down there now we took chopper 5 that long flight down the stretch of Utah toward Ivins and we're reaching

05:52out to the police and we're trying to get any confirmable information we can we learn about the

05:59two young Frankie children that have been taken from this home to the hospital and that Ruby and Jody

06:08Hildebrandt because police suspect them of very serious child abuse how did it get this bad so then

06:18I'm thinking Ruby has six children Sherry and Chad they're out of the house they're adults at this point

06:25but where are these other two minor children and so I asked the police and they say that it's part of

06:35their ongoing investigation

06:37there's two that we're still looking for are considered so dangerous

06:47all right let's go

06:52I got long

06:54police department

06:56and we're still looking for the old kid siblings

07:21eventually we learn that the two middle daughters who are now teenagers were found at Pam Botcher's

07:39house we learned she was a close associate to Ruby and Jody how did you start to know the family the Frankie family yeah through a program called connections and these two children are unharmed physically but still that complicates

07:59the picture of the picture more are these two middle children truly okay and why were they separated

08:04so both Ruby and Jody the officers bring them in separately to interview them and ask what what's been going on help us understand what's happening

08:17Jody acted like she was in the right and others were in the wrong

08:31I'm a psychologist I've watched people flip things all the time so I get it and I sit on your side

08:39I get it I get it I get it I wish people didn't do that but they do

08:43we're just here to talk to you about kind of a few things involving your kids

08:52do you live down here or

08:55I can wait all day so it's up to you if you want to talk to us about what's going on

09:05Ruby as soon as it becomes clear to her that she is a suspect she just kind of shuts it down

09:13I'll wait till I have a lawyer

09:15and when you have a mom that's involved your first question you ask is where is dad

09:22and how many kids do you have Kevin I have six kids are they all living with you or no I haven't

09:30seen them for over a year any of them no none of them for a year over a year

09:37we received a phone call from 911 a 12 to 13 year old boy was knocking on doors in a neighborhood asking

09:49for food and water you can see that Kevin was shocked to hear what the children looked like and what was going on

09:56he was severely emaciated that he had was

10:01skinny, scrawny, malnutritioned, not enough food, not enough water to sustain life

10:08so he had a certain watch

10:12it became pretty clear to us that we didn't have evidence of Kevin being aware of the child abuse

10:19or being involved in the child abuse and so as far as we're concerned that's as far as we go

10:24I'll find out

10:27so you're under arrest

10:29it's going to be two counts second degree felony of child abuse or neglect okay

10:35there are a lot of layers to this story there were a lot of questions and it took us some time to kind of process that

10:47no one in our office had heard of either Ruby or Jody and so we didn't have it on our radar that it would be a high media interest case

10:56nine shocking allegations as Utah mommy blogger with millions of followers is arrested

11:01Ruby Frankie from the family channel eight passengers

11:04behind bars along with her business partner Jody Hildebrand

11:08Jordan just like jumps up off the couch

11:11Jody and Ruby were just arrested

11:14I just started getting all of these texts one after another saying Ruby Frankie, Ruby Frankie

11:20I was like here we go

11:22you know I keep saying disturbing but that's the only way I can think to describe this

11:28when I saw the cause of the her arrest I was just completely horrified

11:33Ruby's children were found bound and injured

11:36emaciated with wounds all over their bodies

11:38this is one of the worst child abuse cases he and his entire office has ever seen

11:44as a journalist I certainly have alarm bells going off

11:48as a former viewer I'm thinking whoa

11:53because where I left the Frankie family that marriage was intact

11:57and I never could have imagined Kevin he hasn't seen his own children in a year

12:03how did we get here

12:07I don't know if Kevin was a good dad or not

12:23but I do know that Jody's venom is real

12:26and that Kevin has all the signs of it

12:28to more effectively control and inflict the organization's teachings on children

12:35you need the man out

12:37and I think that was the main reason Hildebrandt did that with Kevin Frankie

12:42take one mark

12:44nobody's really tapped into who the evil one actually was

12:50this is a wolf in sheep's clothing that saw an opportunity

12:57you guys have no idea who this woman is

13:01you have no idea

13:03the path of a lot of folks we've interviewed

13:07seems to be like growing up in the church

13:09and then the next step is to go to BYU

13:11then marriage it seems like just a very fluid trajectory

13:15yeah that was kind of my experience as well

13:17I went to BYU

13:20I met my wife that first semester

13:23we were living at the same apartment complex

13:27so one day going to a class

13:30I was at the back of the bus

13:31and she turned around and introduced herself

13:33very quickly we got to know each other pretty well

13:36through that semester

13:37and we were married shortly after that

13:40I did go to BYU

13:43and then after that got married

13:45and then had a couple daughters

13:48you know in the LDS culture family is everything

13:51very quickly you meet someone

13:53get married have a child

13:54you're tied to each other

13:55and that's another cultural thing that

13:57almost like the first person that asks you to marry them

14:00sometimes you'll just get married because

14:02somebody asked and it was the first one

14:05so many relationships that I saw

14:08would push personal happiness aside

14:11four you got to make it work because you're married now

14:14and in the next life

14:15there's a lot of expectations that are placed on

14:18young people in the Mormon church

14:20thinking about the pressure and all the rules and the expectations

14:23there's lots of shame that comes from

14:26not abiding by those things

14:28and it's enough that it keeps you in line

14:30especially as a youth

14:32my earliest memories are mixed with the church

14:41we were always being taught these stories of obedience

14:44and how God would bless you

14:47to me it was everything to be obedient

14:51I believed everything that they taught me there

14:55while I was studying at BYU

14:57I met the daughter of a prestigious Mormon family

15:02we spent like three weeks together every single day

15:06and then she told me that she got an answer from God

15:09that I was supposed to be her husband

15:12I was honest with her

15:14I told her all about my personal life

15:16my insecurities and traumas and challenges

15:19because when you're a victim of sexual abuse

15:21you feel like you're not innocent anymore

15:24this happened while I was in Boy Scouts of America

15:31he was 25, I was 14

15:35I just couldn't even process what was happening to me

15:39I broke down and told the church

15:43about the sexual abuse that was going on

15:45the top church leader emphasized on the phone

15:48how important it was that we didn't let other people know

15:51about what happened

15:53once you become aware of child abuse

15:55you may need assistance determining

15:57whether the information is privileged to remain confidential

16:01or whether the law requires it to be reported to civil authorities

16:05he even made me promise on the phone

16:08that I wouldn't tell my parents

16:11then I just said to him no that doesn't work for me

16:14there are some people in a conservative culture

16:24who believe that exposing the truth isn't important

16:27if it damages an institution

16:30that's supposed to be so sacred as the church or scouting

16:35I was really lucky my parents dedicated tens of thousands of hours

16:39and trying to help fix the damages that these people have prolifically done

16:50and so with all the help from my parents

16:52I eventually filed a lawsuit against the Boy Scouts of America

16:57we fought for years

16:59and only for it to become this incredible nightmare

17:03two years later I ended up taking a settlement

17:09but I had no idea my story would cause a chain reaction for me

17:15having all your personal life just exposed everywhere

17:21I can't explain how traumatizing it was

17:24and that caused so many problems in my relationship with my wife

17:30coming from a family that was really high up in the church

17:33she had some issues

17:35some control issues and stuff

17:37and so when she came to me and said we should take therapy

17:42I was thinking that's a great idea

17:44we'll do this together

17:45and things could get like better

17:47the repair of damage inflicted by abuse should be done privately

17:51confidentially

17:53with a trusted priesthood leader

17:55and where needed the qualified professional he recommends

18:00within the Mormon church it's not uncommon

18:02if you're struggling with any issue

18:03that you're going to go to your bishop about it

18:05what he's going to do is either give you advice

18:08or he's going to say you know what no

18:10I think this is kind of over my head

18:12and I'm going to refer you out to therapy

18:14we went to the bishop and the bishop was like

18:17you need to go to Jodi Hildebrandt

18:20and so we did

18:24and that's when Jodi Hildebrandt destroyed my life

18:31you can change

18:34you can change

18:35you do not have to live with this the rest of your life

18:38the first time we met Jodi

18:40it was in a group of couples

18:45she rolls in

18:46she's charismatic

18:47like a talk show host

18:48everyone turns to her to say the final word on everything

18:52you're all children of God

18:54I'm a child of God

18:55and you are divinity

18:56that's who you are

18:57Jodi would just start talking about top people in the church

19:02famous people that she had helped

19:04they relied on her for truth

19:07like she starts telling these funny stories

19:09that relate to all the intimate areas

19:11that are harmless

19:12and it really relaxes people

19:14and they start talking

19:15then she starts to show public examples

19:19in your little private group of people who are in denial

19:22and then laugh with you

19:23and everybody says oh I guess I was in denial

19:25you know

19:26and one thing Jodi started teaching all the time

19:30is that the relationship has to end before it can be reborn

19:34and that's very symbolic of like Christianity

19:37that something has to die before it can be resurrected

19:40these stories about how eventually we go through this like moment

19:43where we go a certain amount of time without sex and everything

19:46and then we'll be like reborn

19:48and just kind of slowly bringing us there

19:50but with fun and charisma

19:52she just started teaching all this success that people had by following this

19:57I started to see that something was changing with my wife

20:00so I started to feel like hey this is a really good thing

20:03this could really improve our relationship

20:05oh come on in he'll have his little heart

20:07I've been asked did I go to Jodi Hildebrandt for marriage counseling

20:12the answer is no I actually went there on my own accord

20:16kind of work on myself

20:18I've had my bumps and bruises in my childhood

20:21and young adult life

20:23and so I've always been interested in therapy

20:27I like to do film stuff and music here and there

20:32and I was actually doing a show

20:35and it went incredibly well

20:37but there's ego involved

20:39and you know getting attention

20:41and I remember when the show was done

20:42and I'm taking pictures

20:44I just felt kind of off

20:46and I felt like I want to get ahead of this feeling

20:49before it gets out of hand

20:51I happened to be talking with a friend of mine

20:54and he brought up Jodi Hildebrandt

20:56and so I watched some videos of her

20:59and as a father of three daughters

21:01I think the thing that was compelling to me

21:03I loved that you know she was a strong woman

21:06she had a great delivery

21:08she had a great presentation

21:10and I did want to learn more at that time

21:14spend a moment to look at yourself

21:18look at the way humility shows up in you

21:22see if that's something that you resist

21:25first thing that you do is a one-on-one therapy

21:28and my first meeting with Jodi I really enjoyed it

21:31she took a liking to me

21:34and so there was this comfort with her

21:37at the beginning she is so good

21:40at helping you feel safe

21:42and developing this trust

21:44by asking about what you struggle with most

21:48I guess

21:49she starts to understand

21:51kind of where the chinks in the armor are

21:53and then she starts asking about some intimate things

21:56you know masturbation or pornography

21:58or any sexual relations

21:59and then she starts to push on that

22:01in sexual transgression

22:04the soul is at stake

22:07what your average person considers normal behavior

22:12is often called a sin within the church

22:16it just creates a lot of sexual shame

22:18for having normal sexual feelings or experiences

22:21the Mormon church for decades and decades

22:24taught that masturbation is next to murder

22:27the stakes are incredibly high

22:29your eternal life and your eternal family are at stake

22:33and certainly Jodi Hildebrandt

22:36going to use this pattern to her advantage

22:39the first thing that the adversary does

22:42is to disconnect us

22:44what do you think shame does?

22:46shame is the master emotion

22:49I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

22:52I love so much about it

22:54and Jodi was brought up in the LDS Church as well

22:57and so everything

22:59Jodi was saying

23:00it made sense to me at the beginning

23:02this is the invitation

23:04for not just this weekend

23:05but for the rest of your life

23:06to make your soul stronger than your flesh

23:10the people that Jodi worked with

23:13probably didn't know her history

23:15she had a messy divorce

23:18she was estranged from her kids

23:20and there's kind of patterns of not being able

23:23to maintain just basic relationships

23:25and then here she is giving advice on those things

23:29I've had a lot of heart in my life

23:31I mean I wouldn't have learned this stuff

23:32if I hadn't been driven to my knees in heart

23:35and so I get it

23:37and I am inviting you to stay in this experience

23:40and not call it bad

23:42three months after the first session

23:46everything changed real subtly

23:49my wife was being instructed by Jodi

23:51to start to limit the communication that we had as a couple

23:55the damage and the disconnect that happens because of lust

23:59affects your spiritual emotional system

24:01I was aware of Jodi Hildebrandt way before she became national news

24:06many of her previous clients have ended up eventually in my office

24:10trying to undo the damage that was done in her treatment styles

24:15after a while Adam started calling and saying this therapy is really

24:21I mean it's weird

24:23Adam had no idea what he was getting into

24:28eventually Jodi was trying to convince my wife

24:38that we needed to start going to her like every single day

24:42we had a lot of money from the settlement

24:44and we just we were paying thousands and thousands of dollars to Jodi regularly

24:50Jodi is a money maker

24:52she figured out early on that you can have therapy with one person

24:57for so much an hour

24:59or you could earn ten times that with just a group

25:02thank you for coming tonight

25:04I really appreciate you spending time with me this evening

25:06I've personally spoken with literally dozens and dozens of victims

25:13of this pattern that Jodi Hildebrandt would inflict upon these families

25:18she'll quickly get the husband to confess to masturbation and pornography

25:24which I'm almost certain that she did with Kevin Franke

25:29I was working through and seeking help with pornography

25:34I've made some wonderful progress

25:37Like is that something you came to the realization

25:40you needed help and weren't doing things right

25:42or is that something that like Jodi helped you guys recognize?

25:45Jodi saw the need for me to get help

25:52Jodi Hildebrandt was one of the Mormon church's go-to experts

25:55on treating pornography and masturbation addiction

25:58The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint

26:01developed their own 12-step program for addictive behavior

26:06They basically adopted the Alcoholics Anonymous model

26:10to try and start capitalizing on this masturbation and pornography addiction idea

26:16And it doesn't matter if you're looking at pornography too much

26:19or if you've masturbated once in the last month

26:22you're sent to this program

26:25Jodi worked within the system of the LDS church

26:31She learned how to work the system

26:33how to get the referrals

26:34how to earn trust

26:36I tried to be perfect my whole life

26:38but I struggled on and off with pornography

26:41and I knew that the Mormon church taught that pornography

26:44and masturbation was committing the sin next to murder

26:47but during this time

26:49I hadn't looked at pornography or masturbation

26:51like for months and months and months

26:53but still Jodi was trying to demand that I get a sponsor

26:57and that I start getting into like this sexual addicts group

27:01I don't want you to think that as long as I stop the behavior

27:04then I've changed

27:05because that is not legitimate change

27:07that's only sober

27:09With these families

27:10the husband had to enroll

27:12in Connection's super expensive individual therapy

27:15for the sin of pornography and masturbation

27:18and then these addiction recovery support groups

27:21both online and in person

27:24some were also run by graduates of Jodi's therapy program

27:29many of which were not in any way credentialed

27:32or trained as mental health professionals

27:34You need professional help

27:35and you need your 12-step groups and sponsorship

27:38because those are the people who actually understand

27:40how to help you through this process accurately

27:46To this day I don't know how my wife found Jodi Hildebrand

27:50who referred her or what happened

27:52but she started seeing Jodi for personal reasons

27:56The floodgate opened in May of 2016

27:59that's when it was just kind of the full sudden change in my life

28:03around that time

28:05she took my laptop

28:06and had it scanned for pornography

28:08she didn't find anything

28:09I don't use pornography

28:11but then she said

28:12even though you're not addicted to porn

28:14you must be addicted to something else

28:16I could become addicted to eating ice cream

28:18I could become addicted to anger

28:21quite literally I can become addicted to anything

28:24that I choose to become addicted to

28:28she kind of like got everyone chasing this unicorn abstract idea

28:33that she could cure you

28:35she knew how to work with your brain to make it happen

28:38what I saw in this group setting

28:41you've got men that are in their 50s

28:43some in their 70s

28:44and then all of a sudden a 15 year old comes in

28:46then somebody that's done some heinous crime in my eyes

28:50they're put in this group

28:52everybody is categorized in the same sphere I guess

28:56I'm a pretty tough guy but it got to me

28:59now you're thinking you're this monster because you

29:02you know you masturbated

29:04or you looked at Instagram where a woman was in a bikini

29:07so you keep on going back

29:09you keep on writing checks

29:10and the nervous system gets just destroyed with shame

29:15one guy had incest problems

29:18one starts talking about he's an exhibitionist

29:21and he's got victims

29:22the next one said he was a voyeurist

29:24and he's got victims too

29:26but Jody taught that it was an issue in your head

29:29the context didn't matter

29:31and she's treating us like we're all the same

29:33and we have the same problem

29:34if you are conscious and you are lusting

29:37the consequences are going to be significant for you

29:40she even said that I was the worst addict of them all

29:44and that's why I lost it

29:46I couldn't function I couldn't think

29:49it triggered the trauma I had as a victim of sexual abuse

29:53then I just said to my wife

29:55I don't want to be here anymore

29:57that's when our problems started to get just crazy

30:04when I was in connections Jody taught sexuality

30:07as the bane of all existence

30:09men are the problem because they're lustful

30:11the wife was instructed to withhold any sexual intimacy

30:16even emotional intimacy from the husband

30:19Jody would say that women control sex

30:22and we need to use that to make sure that truth is being lived

30:26in our relationships

30:28truth is about boundaries

30:32a boundary has to do with what you're going to do

30:34not what somebody else is going to do

30:36how do you get them to stop?

30:38you walk away

30:39Jody had my ex sent a contract that I needed to sign

30:43for us to stay together

30:45it said stuff like

30:47I can still live in the house

30:49but you can't sleep with me

30:51I don't have to do anything with you

30:52for like three years

30:54if you want our marriage to stay together

30:56you got to sign here

30:57it was a divorce receipt

30:59my wife fully implemented Jody's principles

31:02she was using separation to coerce me

31:04to essentially to become a Hilda Grant follower as well

31:07she sent a list of demands that I needed to adhere to

31:11to avoid permanent separation or to avoid divorce

31:14the demands was to attend Jody's connections class

31:18I had to attend 12 step program

31:20I had to find a sponsor

31:21Jody had this incredible disdain towards the idea of males

31:27what I saw is constant separation

31:30all she wanted to do is separate men and women

31:32I would give anything to live in the same room with my husband

31:35and you're telling this woman to kick her husband out

31:38separation is a principle of truth

31:41and separation is a necessary thing

31:45in order to become people who live in truth

31:48eventually I refused to go to Jody

31:54but my wife continued to go back

31:57my wife eventually she says

31:59if you don't accept these teachings

32:00I'm going to find a new dad for our daughter

32:03you're replaceable

32:05I need someone who is also a Jody disciple

32:08when you're in truth things are clear to you

32:11you accept pain and you let go

32:13this was a very effective move on Jody's part

32:16of creating separation and isolation

32:20everybody's starting to go crazy

32:22and they start to crumble

32:24you didn't even know what Jody you were going to get

32:27sometimes you get this loving person

32:30and then other times you just feel this darkness within her

32:36you need to understand honey that I will commit to you

32:40and if something comes up that I deem is more important

32:43then I'm going to do that

32:44I don't know how long you're going to stay married

32:46but that's what you need to say to them

32:49when all the kids left Ruby took all of them?

33:05oh yeah she stayed in the house and I moved up

33:08okay

33:09and did you ever try to reach out to the kids

33:12drop by the home or was there?

33:19so what was your separation?

33:22excuse me

33:23did you have a no contact order in place?

33:29did she ask you not to contact the kids?

33:31Ruby invited me to leave the home

33:42in the days following the arrest

33:44I'm hearing these different accounts

33:46from people coming forward saying they're victims

33:49of Jody Hildebrandts

33:51it starts to make the Kevin Franke piece of this

33:54become clearer

33:56but I still am operating with a lot of skepticism

34:00it's still really hard for me to believe that this family man

34:05has been away during the abuse of his children

34:09and so I decided to door knock the Springville neighborhood

34:12where the Franke family lives

34:15and it's actually the neighbors who tell me

34:18well you know Jody Hildebrandt moved in there right?

34:21and I said what?

34:24she lives in Ivins

34:26and they said no Jody moved in a few months ago

34:29maybe a year ago

34:30it's all fuzzy

34:32but she moved in

34:33yeah she lived in that house with them in Springville

34:36she is right there with Ruby

34:39and Kevin is gone

34:40never comes

34:41he never comes to check on the kids

34:43nope

34:44no one knows where Kevin is

34:51March of 2021

34:55when after a connections conference down in St. George

35:00all of the inner circle

35:03all the people who were being trained as mental fitness coaches and stuff

35:09so that was Ruby and a bunch of other people and their spouses

35:14we went out to like a dinner afterwards

35:17and that's where Jody really opened up to the women in a private conversation

35:24that she believed she was being tormented and haunted by shadow figures every night

35:32Ruby was convinced that we could intervene and help Jody

35:36it was at that point that Ruby said we could take her up to our house

35:43the moment she showed up in my house

35:45just the weirdest crap started happening

35:48lights turning on and off

35:51sounds of people walking in walls across the ceiling

35:56stuff floating around

35:58and it was just

36:00it was weird

36:02I gotta say

36:05I'm a smart guy

36:07I'm an engineer

36:09I'm a college professor

36:11I can't explain some of the stuff that happened

36:14she would talk in like different voices

36:18it was really creepy

36:20but the voices would say

36:22she's ours

36:23we're not letting go

36:25she's mine

36:26I'm going to marry her

36:27she believed that Satan wanted her as her bride

36:34Jody had so much power over Kevin and Ruby

36:38that they bought into what Jody was saying

36:42that she was being tormented by demons or devils

36:46and their belief in Jody made it so they were seeing those things too

36:52Kevin even says at one point I'm an engineer

36:54I'm a very logical person in other words is what he's saying

36:57and yet I can't explain

36:59the things that I'm

37:01seeing

37:03he may be an engineer

37:05but his belief system is still geared towards seeing the improbable or the fantastic

37:10because he sees Jody as an authority on this

37:12a moral authority

37:14whose visions are real

37:16and I think they believed she was going to help heal the world

37:20and fight evil through her teachings

37:23whenever she started going to a trance and go into possession

37:28Ruby would go up and check on her

37:30and then at some point Ruby said

37:33you know what I'm just going to start sleeping in there

37:36that's kind of weird but okay

37:39and that was that

37:41they started sleeping in the same bed

37:42inexplicably after entering into the super unethical relationship with all the Frankie family

37:49Jody moves in to the Frankie household

37:52and then she convinces Ruby that she and Ruby need to sleep together in the same bed

37:57and if this weren't unethical and horrific enough for any licensed mental health professional

38:02Kevin ends up being kicked out of his own home

38:05July 20th, 2022

38:10Ruby went on a trip with Jody and Pam down to Arizona

38:19when she came back from that trip

38:22before she even brought the bags into the house

38:25she pulled me in and said

38:27I want to talk with you

38:28and that's when she asked me to leave

38:29the neighbors tell me that they were noticing Ruby was gone for days on end

38:42but they would see children's faces in the windows

38:45and so they knew kids were home alone

38:48and that's when they really were frightened and concerned for the well-being of these children

38:53Simultaneously, we're learning that Sherry Frankie, Ruby's eldest daughter, has called DCFS

39:02and asked them to please check on her siblings

39:06Hi, my name is Sherry Frankie

39:08My four younger siblings are living in Springville

39:11and my neighbors have been telling me that they have been left home alone for about four or five days

39:15So I'm taking in these details

39:20Kevin's attorney says no, he got his own apartment

39:23and he was told by Jody that he had to be isolated

39:28to reflect on his own behaviors

39:31and work on himself

39:34and basically, it was Ruby's call

39:37whether and when he could come back

39:39and I just keep asking, how could a man do that?

39:45How could a man walk away simply at this request?

39:50Don't you want to fight for your family?

40:00When we're doing an investigation and we're trying to figure out what in the world's going on

40:03information of prior bad acts is really helpful to us

40:10We have these pieces of evidence

40:13and then Jesse came in and helped us put that together into a picture for us

40:22Mark it

40:23Mark it

40:53Mark the

41:17Ruby, Frankie, and business partner Jody Hildebrandt were arrested for child abuse.

41:36My reality for the last 14 years is suddenly exposed.

41:40We clearly had more evidence of Ruby inflicting the abuse, but we had evidence that Jody was causing it.

41:48Pain is there to give you an opportunity to make different choices.

41:53She gains your trust, and little by little, she rips you apart.

41:57She wants everyone to be her puppet.

42:00This lady's nuts. She's absolutely dangerous.

42:03She would lock me in a closet, make me run for hours.

42:07You think Sherry Hildebrandt is a cult theater?

42:10Um...

42:11How do you plead to aggravated child abuse?

42:15Guilty.

42:15Ruby was just a perfect candidate to take Jody's cult to the next level.

42:20Jody denied everything.

42:22What have I done?

42:23If those children had not escaped when they did, they would have been dead within two weeks.

42:27Brighter days.

42:34I un whispered before.

42:47Very well.

42:48For my listeners, I need to touch on you.

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