00:00Well, that's really interesting. So actually, what you're saying is Xi Jinping now could possibly be the man that pressures Russia to stop the war in Ukraine.
00:12But I actually spoke to a Ukrainian MP yesterday, John Oleksii Gonchorenko, and he said Ukraine can just not rely on China to put any pressure on Russia.
00:26And it's all down to Donald Trump to essentially stop the war. What did you make of those comments? Or do you think actually it's Xi Jinping?
00:35I think the Ukrainians are quite right. They can't rely on China to apply pressure. But if China decides for its own reasons, for its own interests to apply pressure, then you are in a very different ballgame.
00:48And the kind of pressure that China could apply to Russia is many times greater than any pressure that the United States can apply to Russia.
00:57So if China decides that it wants this war to end, regardless of what the Ukrainians think, it is in a strong position to do just that.
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