00:00He said that male depression gets treated like female depression.
00:02Men are made to feel loved and accepted when they want to feel capable and powerful.
00:06And the problem that we had there was that you were treating male depression and male mental health like female depression.
00:11I had a brilliant upbringing. I've got great parents, great grandparents.
00:14And then I think about the lessons that my dad taught me.
00:16There's two things that really stand out.
00:18Once I rode my bike over my neighbor's lawn and he grabbed me around the scruff of the neck
00:22and he said, you respect other people's property, you never do that again, you go and apologize.
00:26That for me was the male role model was be tough, be strong, be respectful.
00:31There's another one. And I remember when I'd done something wrong and I was so upset
00:34and he just sat there and he went, what are you going to do about it?
00:36And that feeling of Ben, you have to be strong. You have to take control of the situation.
00:40Things have to be much more tangible. What are you going to do about it?
00:43I don't want someone just to sit there and stroke my ego and tell me that everything's going to be okay.
00:46And I'm okay the way I am because I think that over a prolonged period of time
00:50can definitely lead to entitlement. And I don't think it's the right thing in the long term.
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