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Here we bring you the never-seen-before interview with the late Bollywood actor Nirmal Pandey, one of the most fearsome yet fearless performers who redefined daring choices in Indian art cinema. From his award-winning portrayal of a transgender in Daayra to the rugged yet soft-hearted brigand in Bandit Queen and the notorious drug-addicted villain in One Two Ka Four, Nirmal Pandey was truly an actor beyond limits. In this rare conversation, he reflects on his unparalleled journey from theatre to stealing the spotlight as a character artist in films, proving why he was one of a kind on screen. To celebrate the exceptional actor’s extraordinary craft, don’t miss this exclusive chat only on your favourite digital destination, Lehren!


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00:00It was a thin line character. If you do a little bit more, it will be unique.
00:05If you want to portray a woman, you will have to understand the truth of her.
00:09I don't think it would be a gesture or something like that.
00:13When the bandit was shooting, I didn't know that it would be successful.
00:18It was necessary that she was working with Shekhar Kapoor and she was working with a good film.
00:21But I didn't know that it would be successful.
00:23I didn't know the villain.
00:26I think it would be like a child.
00:30But it's like this.
00:32But when we meet with children, where I live,
00:35I love my children. They love me.
00:40What is your character in this film?
00:47I'm playing a character in this film.
00:51His name is Yorachi.
00:54He's a very sensitive character.
01:01He is a very sensitive character under the relationship.
01:06But in the beginning, he seems a little negative character.
01:11But the point in the inn, he feels positive.
01:13and it will save you the whole team.
01:22How is your experience with this team?
01:26The most important thing is that the whole team of producers, Dr. Rajiv,
01:32the director and the director,
01:38the director and the producer,
01:45and the director,
01:48it is natural that the whole team has a struggle.
01:52That's what I got.
01:56Because the producer's job is to care about the whole thing.
01:59Dr. Rajiv,
02:01I would say that Mr. Rajiv is a man.
02:03The producer should be here in Bombay.
02:07I can understand my feelings.
02:10He is a very soft-spoken man,
02:13a nice director.
02:15The atmosphere is created.
02:17People are working with simplicity.
02:21The atmosphere is very difficult.
02:23And he is in this film, no doubt about it.
02:26When you sign a film,
02:28what do you think about it?
02:30First, I'll see how many of you work with him.
02:33Because of these people I wanted to do this film.
02:35Because of me,
02:36who is a man?
02:37What is his ideal thing about it?
02:38If I am coming back to my producer's job,
02:39what I feel about it?
02:40I feel like it's about it.
02:41What does it mean?
02:43What does your entire production have?
02:45If you liked it, you would like to do a film with the whole set-up and storyline.
03:01Did you know that you had an award for a film?
03:07I didn't know it, but I didn't know it.
03:17It was a serious subject.
03:21When I was filming a film in France, I was shooting a train to Pakistan.
03:28I called for a film in France and it was in the festival.
03:36I didn't know it.
03:38When I reached the stage, I didn't know it.
03:44I didn't know it.
03:46I didn't know it.
03:48I didn't know it.
03:53But it was a big history of the world cinema.
04:00I had a portrait of my mother.
04:06It was a thin line character.
04:08If you want to make it more, it will be unique.
04:12If you want to make a woman, you have to understand the woman.
04:19If you want to make a woman, you have to understand the human aspect.
04:29I think that the character was awarded.
04:34You come from a theatre background.
04:36So has it been an advantage for you in the film industry?
04:39Definitely.
04:40Because the actors are very flexible.
04:47They're very flexible.
04:49They are very flexible.
04:51They are very flexible and they get their shape.
04:53They are very flexible.
04:54They are very flexible and they are very flexible.
04:57Because the training is very complex.
04:59I believe that if you are in the theatre, you are not in the film industry,
05:01you can improve your experience in acting.
05:04As you experience your life as you are in the film industry,
05:07No doubt, there will be a depth in you, no doubt.
05:12It will be different from 10 years before today's performance.
05:16When you did Bandit Queen, did you know that this will be so successful?
05:22Actually, when Bandit was shooting,
05:27I didn't mean that it will be successful.
05:32I thought it was a good film,
05:38but there was no market in India.
05:43I felt that it was a good film.
05:48But I didn't know that it was so successful.
05:51Was there a hesitation when playing the character?
05:55Actually, at the beginning, there was a lot of confusion.
05:58You have played both positive as well as negative shade characters.
06:04You have played both positive as well as negative shade characters.
06:09You have played both positive as well as negative shade characters.
06:15Which one did you like?
06:17Actually, if you take the whole life,
06:20you have played both positive as well as negative shade characters.
06:26Which one did you like?
06:28Actually, if you take the whole life,
06:33I feel like a person is negative.
06:36Whether it's a woman or a man,
06:39there are shades too.
06:41If you're an igualing person,
06:43you have aczema.
06:45If there is a negative aspect of somebody,
06:47you have a mental negative side.
06:49That's why you solve the problem.
06:50Because it's positive.
06:51You are both positive as well as being one,
06:52and you have a couple of things.
06:55Once you create something else,
06:57you have a positive side.
06:59The things that you find out is positive.
07:01So if people don't think it's wrong,
07:03If you are a negative character, you are a wrong person.
07:08You are a negative side that you are playing.
07:12I think it's good for both people.
07:19Any upcoming projects?
07:21A Malayali film called Hello Dubai.
07:25Today, I am a fan of Nana Partigar.
07:29It was released with 1-2-4.
07:32It was released with Milsomar.
07:37What is your role in 1-2-4?
07:40I am a negative character.
07:49I am a negative character.
07:54I am a negative character.
07:56But the character is so good,
07:58that the villain should not be able to live and die.
08:04That is an interesting part.
08:06You are playing heroes in parallel films.
08:09Have you ever thought that a role of a hero in commercial films?
08:14Many people have questioned me.
08:17Why do you not portray a hero?
08:19My heart doesn't trust me.
08:23I am a negative character.
08:24I am a negative character.
08:27There is no demand for it.
08:30I cannot be able to get a whole other character.
08:33I think this is possible.
08:35Any dream roles?
08:36I would like to do blind character, like Naseer Vaay.
08:43I feel difficult to do it, but I would like to do blind character.
08:53You have done some singing in films, so are you comfortable in singing also?
08:58Yes, of course. Why not?
09:00I have written a film called Malayali.
09:06There is a film called Haji Ali.
09:16There is a film called Haji Ali.
09:28There are many actors who went from doing negative roles to positive roles.
09:33Is that what you are trying to do?
09:35Yes, of course.
09:36Like this film, The Great Target,
09:39I have portrayed the film as well.
09:43I will not say that.
09:45What does the impact of the film?
09:48But I have said that the people who went from negative,
09:51when they went from positive,
09:53people liked them.
09:58Maybe it will happen, it will be good.
10:01You come from a theatre background which is very disciplined.
10:04Do you follow this in your own life?
10:07Basically, the role of film, theatre,
10:12there is a discipline.
10:13There is a humbleness.
10:16You do your job.
10:17Keep it to your karma.
10:19You want to live by your life.
10:21You want to live by your life.
10:23You want to live by yourself.
10:24That's how theatre teaches.
10:26If you are training or you are doing good directors,
10:30you will tell us that.
10:32Simplicity and Discipline.
10:35And someone should think about how much you can do it or not.
10:43Because the person is not perfect, no doubt.
10:47But the way he is better, he should do it.
10:50And he should always be able to do it.
10:56When you play a character, do you research about it?
11:01No, no.
11:02If you portray a character, I don't think about it.
11:06Because you have a fear.
11:08Because a new character has a lot of expectations for you.
11:12And you have to get a line of character.
11:14How will it happen?
11:16Why will it happen?
11:18What will it happen?
11:20If you portray a character in Nirmal Pandey,
11:23you will see a character in me.
11:26Or it will come with clarity or not.
11:30It's difficult.
11:31It's not easy.
11:32It's not easy.
11:33It's a little nervousness.
11:34If you do a new project,
11:36and you do a big project,
11:37then you have to worry about how it will happen.
11:40And when you get a line of character,
11:42then you have to build confidence.
11:45Then you have to do a bigger character.
11:47How do you feel like a villain?
11:49How do you feel like a villain?
11:51How do you feel like a villain?
11:52How do you feel like a villain?
11:53I know that a villain is not a villain.
11:55I just can't believe that my children are going to be as a villain.
11:57But when I get a boyfriend with her,
11:58I love to him.
11:59I love to be happy with her.
12:01When I get a girl,
12:02I love to be happy with her.
12:03But when I get a girl,
12:04I love to be happy with her.
12:05Then I love to be happy with him.
12:06My children love me and love me.
12:11When I go home in the evening,
12:14I love my children.
12:16I love my children.
12:18I love my children.
12:20I love my children.
12:22When you do a portrait,
12:24it's so harsh or hard-core villain.
12:27People think that it's not like this.
12:30But you have to do it,
12:32because it's a demand for commercial.
12:34You have to do it,
12:36and you have to do it.
12:40And villain doesn't work well.
12:42You know what I'm doing.
12:44What are you doing?
12:46You know,
12:48what's happening?
12:50Do you like to work with a director?
12:54I don't know.
12:56I've never had a dream.
12:58I've never had a dream.
13:00Peter Brook.
13:02Peter Brook,
13:04who made a Mahabharat,
13:06which is a Mahabharat in English.
13:08It's very good.
13:10Thank you, Nirmal Ji.
13:11Welcome.
13:14Mm-hmm.
13:16That's very interesting.
13:25Thank you, everyone.
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