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The Trump administration on Friday released for public inspection new regulations designed to limit student loan forgiveness under the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program. The publication does not mean the rules are in effect yet. But it does move the process to restrict PSLF one step closer to reality, with major implications for millions of federal student loan borrowers.

0:00 Introduction
0:34 What Are The Proposed Changes?
4:35 The History Of Public Service Loan Forgiveness
6:44 What Will Happen To Enrollees In The Program?
7:52 How Will This Affect The Program Long Term
8:46 What To Look Out For

Read the full story on Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamminsky/2025/08/15/department-of-education-publishes-new-rules-restricting-student-loan-forgiveness-for-pslf/

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Transcript
00:00Hi, everyone. I'm Maggie McGrath, senior editor at Forbes. The Trump administration has proposed
00:09new rules around public service loan forgiveness that could ultimately limit the number of people
00:17who access this type of loan forgiveness. Joining us now is Adam Minsky. He is a Forbes senior
00:24contributor and a lawyer who focuses on student loans, and he's been covering this issue for
00:29Forbes.com. Adam, thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having me on, Maggie. So you have an
00:36article out basically breaking down the proposed changes to the federal public service loan
00:44forgiveness program. Can you start off by telling us what is the Trump administration proposing here?
00:50Yeah, so basically public service loan forgiveness is a federal student loan program designed to
00:56forgive the debt for borrowers who commit to working for 10 years or longer in nonprofit or
01:04government fields. It's designed to incentivize work in those types of settings. What the proposed
01:10new regulations do is it would allow the Department of Education to cut off from the PSLF program
01:17employers that engage in what the administration deems to be substantial illegal activity. It
01:26essentially would give the Department of Education power to eliminate from eligibility entire
01:32organizations, including potentially state and local governments, as well as academic institutions and
01:38other nonprofits, if they run afoul of these proposed new rules. Now you say substantial illegal
01:46activity or substantial illegal purpose. And when I hear that phrase, I tend to think of something like
01:51drug trafficking and felonies. And in reading your piece, it seems to me that the Trump administration
01:59is not necessarily referring to things that classically fall under illegal activity. Can you break down what
02:06the administration is defining as illegal in these cases? Yeah, so it certainly is not necessarily what
02:14you might think. So according to these rules, which are intended to implement in earlier executive order that
02:20President Trump signed back in March, there are several categories of activities that the Department of
02:28Ed would consider to potentially fall into this sort of umbrella of having a substantial legal purpose. This
02:35includes providing certain types of health care services to transgender youth, facilitating the violation of
02:43federal immigration laws, engaging in activities that facilitate legal discrimination, and violating state law. Now, that
02:55might sound to some extent, you know, reasonable or not reasonable, you know, depending on your perspective. But
03:01critics argue that this essentially gives the Department of Education power to cut off from
03:07eligibility organizations that just don't have the same mission or policy perspective as the Trump
03:14administration does. So for instance, there's some concern that they would cut off entire, you know,
03:20states or cities led by Democrats if they aren't adequately cooperating with federal immigration
03:25enforcement. Just as an example.
03:28I was going to ask, does this effectively weaponize, potentially, because this is just proposed changes,
03:34these are not officially in effect, but does this potentially weaponize the public service loan
03:39forgiveness program for the Trump administration's political aims?
03:43That is exactly what critics of the proposed rules are suggesting it would do. It would give the federal
03:49government power to wield PSLF as a tool to force policy concessions from states, from cities, from
03:59nonprofit organizations, including academic institutions or hospitals. And, you know, it would
04:05punish borrowers who are stuck in the middle, you know. So for instance, you know, if the Trump administration
04:11wants to cut off the entire state government of California or New York from being eligible for PSLF,
04:18because, for instance, they're not cooperating with immigration enforcement to the level that the
04:22Trump administration would like, you know, every employee of the state, in that example, could be
04:29cut off from PSLF. Now you get into the history of public student loan forgiveness,
04:35and I'd love to bring some of that to our audience right now. How long has it existed?
04:41Has it enjoyed bipartisan support? And how often is the program changed by an administration?
04:48Yeah. So the program was created in 2007. It was signed into law. It was, you know, it was,
04:53it was created by Congress and signed into law by President George W. Bush. So it was a bipartisan
04:59program. It sort of, you know, didn't go through many changes for a long period of time in part,
05:05because it took a while for people to reach the 10 year threshold. Then we found out that there were
05:10some problems with the program, including counting people's payments or telling people about the rules,
05:15about how the program worked. So approval rates were pretty low. Under the Biden Harris administration,
05:20some new initiatives were put into place, some temporary waiver programs, new regulations designed
05:25to make it easier for people to navigate the program. And that resulted in a big jump in approval. So we
05:31went from just basically a few thousand people who had been approved as of 2020. By the end of 2024,
05:37we had more than a million borrowers who had been approved for PSOF.
05:41And these are borrowers who have potentially graduate degrees in law or medicine and have
05:47gone on to work for a nonprofit. Is that correct?
05:50Nonprofit or government. I mean, the program is designed, you know, with, with, you know,
05:56an intention to give people a pathway to working in fields that traditionally require advanced degrees,
06:03but don't pay anywhere nearly as much as what you might receive in the private sector.
06:07So a great example of this are prosecutors and public defenders who often work directly for state
06:13government. You know, they're, they're, they're the, the folks that operate our criminal justice
06:19system. You know, these types of attorneys often take out, you know, $200,000 or more in student debt
06:24to be able to get their law degree. But instead of making $250,000 a year working for big law as an
06:31associate, they instead are going to take a salary of say $60,000 a year working as a prosecutor or,
06:37or a, a defender. And the only way that they can make this work is through a program like public
06:42service loan forgiveness. Now, under the administration's proposed changes,
06:47what would happen to borrowers who are currently enrolled in public service loan forgiveness and
06:53are perhaps five or seven years into the repayment plans? They're looking forward to loan forgiveness
07:00in five to three years. Would these proposed changes just end that if their employer is deemed
07:07as engaging as in substantial illegal activity? It most certainly could. And in fact, borrowers under these
07:15proposed rules would have no recourse whatsoever to contest a decision that their employer no longer
07:23qualifies. And the Department of Education's position is, well, these folks can just find a different job.
07:28And of course, that is potentially harder than it might seem from the Department of Ed's statement
07:34on that. But it could absolutely cut people off from student loan forgiveness under PSLF. If there's any
07:40good news, it's that it wouldn't erase past progress toward loan forgiveness if the employer is deemed to be
07:46non-qualifying, but it would halt any future progress once that determination has been made.
07:51And then have you talked to any sources about what it could mean if these rules go into effect for
07:58people entering these nonprofit and government jobs in the future? Could we see an effective depression
08:05of or suppression of people working in these jobs? There is concern that this would have a chilling
08:11effect on public service work in general. If you can't know with confidence that the job that you are
08:18trying to get or applying for is going to result in you getting the benefit that you're being promised,
08:27why would people take the risk? Why would people jump into that field if it can just be taken away?
08:33That is the concern that some critics have raised, is that this will essentially have a broad chilling
08:38effect on employment and state government, local government, nonprofits, where we really need
08:43good people to be taking these roles. So what happens next? And are these proposed laws or changes
08:50rather within the boundary of the law? Because obviously there are a lot of regulations that
08:56control the federal student loan portfolio. Is what the Trump administration proposing here even legal?
09:03It's a great question that remains to be seen. There was a there's a process that the Department of
09:09Ed must go through to create new regulations. It's called negotiated rulemaking. And there were a
09:14series of rulemaking hearings that occurred earlier this year, and certainly at least one committee
09:20member argued that this is not legal. Basically, Congress passed a law to create PSLF. It said in the
09:28law that if you're a 501c3 nonprofit organization, it qualifies for PSLF. If you're a government, state,
09:34local, federal, county, tribal, state, local, federal, county, tribal, it qualifies for PSLF. There's no room
09:39for picking and choosing which of those employers qualify. Under the language of the statute, those
09:44employers are eligible for for PSLF. And critics argue that by, you know, allowing the Department of
09:54Ed to basically pick and choose which of those nonprofits, which of those governments actually
09:58qualify based on activities, it may violate the original statute that created PSLF.
10:04Some critics have gone even further and said that it could be, you know, some form of viewpoint
10:11discrimination if it gets to that point where it could, you know, potentially raise constitutional
10:15concerns as well. But like you said, these rules are not finalized. They're not in effect on what
10:20happened is the Department of Ed released these proposed regulations following these committee hearings.
10:28There's now a 30 day period open to public comment. And then after that, the Department of Ed will
10:34publish final rules probably sometime this fall. And the anticipated effective date when the rules
10:40would actually go into effect with the first 2026. Many observers do expect there to be legal challenges
10:46once the rules actually go into effect. So it's probably going to come down to a court to figure
10:51out whether this is legal or not. Which of course could create confusion for borrowers. What is your
10:57message for any borrower who is currently enrolled in this program who is watching and concerned about
11:03their future? Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, having some level of concern is warranted. I don't think
11:10it's time to panic. I don't think this is a reason not to pursue PSLF, which can really be a very
11:15beneficial program. But what I'm advising my clients and my readers to do is buckle up for
11:20some uncertainty and volatility over the course of the next couple of years, at least, because
11:25we don't know, you know, exactly what's going to happen here. Assuming these rules do go into effect
11:30on July 1st and there are legal challenges, we're still not going to have a clear answer,
11:35probably for a little while as things play out in the courts. So again, not a reason to panic,
11:41not a reason to pull away from public service work, but a reason to be vigilant and keep your
11:46ear to the ground about these changes. Keep your ear to the ground and read Adam Minsky on Forbes.com.
11:52Adam, thank you so much for joining us and breaking this down for us. We so appreciate your insight.
11:57Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
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