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00:00We all remember the Brian Koberger case, right?
00:02I mean, the shockwaves through Moscow, Idaho.
00:06It was everywhere.
00:07Nonstop news.
00:08Everyone trying to figure things out.
00:09Absolutely.
00:10Intense public interest.
00:12But recently, another name has sort of entered the conversation,
00:15sparking even more questions.
00:17Emma Bailey.
00:19Who is she?
00:20And, you know, how might she connect to everything that happened on King Road?
00:24That's really where our deep dive begins today.
00:27Exactly.
00:27And today, we're navigating, well, it's a complex web of information, really.
00:33Stuff drawn from online investigations, you know, the kind you find on YouTube channels.
00:37And just to be clear, our goal isn't to, like, confirm or deny anything definitively.
00:41It's more about understanding the different threads people are talking about,
00:44the ones linking Emma Bailey to Brian Koberger and the murders,
00:47based on what's out there online.
00:49Got it.
00:49So it's about laying out the different pieces of the puzzle people are trying to put together.
00:53Precisely.
00:54Giving you, the listener, a chance to understand these threads and form your own perspective.
00:58Okay, so let's start with the basics, then.
01:00Who is Emma Bailey, and why did her name even surface in the first place?
01:04Hello, Deputy Miller Sheriff's Office.
01:09Hello.
01:09Driver's License, Vehicle Registration.
01:12Reason we're chatting is running the red light.
01:14Yeah.
01:15Oh, was it red?
01:15Mine was green when you cleared the intersection.
01:18Oh, my bad.
01:18I thought it was yellow when I went, so I'm sorry.
01:22It was yellow when I went.
01:23I'm sorry if it turned red.
01:24What does yellow usually mean?
01:27Go slow.
01:28Yeah, because it's changing.
01:30You've got to come to a stop.
01:30My apologies, I'm sorry.
01:32Okay.
01:32You're correct.
01:32Do you have your vehicle registration?
01:34Yes, I do.
01:36Where are we coming from tonight?
01:38Oh, just the, um, over in Emporium.
01:42Okay.
01:45Emporium.
01:49Alright, how much have you had to drink tonight, Emma?
01:51None.
01:51You've had something.
01:54Some?
01:55Yeah, you've had some.
01:56Not enough to drive.
01:58Okay.
01:59Hop out for me, would you?
02:00Okay.
02:04Is your buddy, is your buddy in the backseat okay there?
02:07He's just head bobbing over there.
02:08Oh, no, he should be fine.
02:18Do you want me to turn my car off, or?
02:19You can leave it running for them.
02:20Okay.
02:21Do you want your, your stuff fell off?
02:24You're just, you're aware?
02:26Sorry, my head didn't fall off.
02:27Okay.
02:28Just come stand right here for me.
02:30I'm just going to knock those lights down for just a minute.
02:32What I ask is I can smell a odor of alcohol coming from inside the car, okay?
02:35So I want to make sure you're okay to drive.
02:37Of course, of course.
02:38Okay, so I can't tell if it's you or it's them that's been drinking, right?
02:42I see you're wearing a wristband.
02:44Where's the wristband from?
02:45I'm pouring.
02:45From Timber.
02:46Timber, okay.
02:47We're going from Emporium right now.
02:48Okay.
02:49Have you had any alcohol tonight?
02:50I have.
02:51Okay.
02:51How much have you had to drink tonight?
02:52One beer.
02:53How long ago?
02:55At like 8, 9 p.m.
02:58Okay.
02:58At Timber here.
02:59Okay.
03:00And then I was driving them to Emporium and then we came back to Timber to get their car.
03:03Okay.
03:04Would you mind doing some voluntary field sobriety tests to make sure you're safe to drive?
03:07Yes.
03:07Do you have a jacket by chance?
03:09I have one.
03:10It's chilly out here and it's going to take a few minutes.
03:11Yes.
03:12You can put your jacket on if you want to.
03:13Okay, thank you.
03:1516 out testing.
03:2016 out testing.
03:24We're going to step up here on the sidewalk.
03:27Okay.
03:28That way we're out of the road.
03:32Okay.
03:34So like I said, these are all voluntary.
03:35Mm-hmm.
03:36Have you had any head trauma in the last 24 hours?
03:39No.
03:39Getting in any car wrecks or anything?
03:40No.
03:41Okay.
03:41I'm going to have you put your both feet together, hands at your side, and I want you to remain
03:45in this position while we do this first one, okay?
03:49Do you wear contact lenses or glasses?
03:51I do not.
03:52Okay.
03:52You see the tip of the pen right there?
03:54Yes.
03:54Can you follow it with your eyes and your eyes only for me?
04:08Is it okay if I blink?
04:09Yeah.
04:09Okay.
04:09Okay.
04:09Okay.
04:24All right.
04:40Okay.
04:40All right.
04:54For this last one, we're going to go up.
04:55Same thing.
04:55Keep your head still just with your eyes.
04:57Okay.
04:57So for this next one, we're going to, it's, uh, imagine a straight line out in front of you.
05:18Okay.
05:18Your left foot's on that line right now.
05:20I want you to put your right foot in front of it, touching heel to toe, just like I am
05:24right now.
05:25Okay.
05:25Can you do this for me?
05:28Keep your hands at your side, and I want you to remain in that position while I explain
05:32and demonstrate the next test, okay?
05:34Okay.
05:34Do you understand that?
05:35Yes.
05:35Okay.
05:36So you're going to take nine heel to toe steps down that line.
05:39You're going to take a series of small steps to turn around, come back the way you are
05:42and take nine heel, nine more.
05:44So nine steps, then turn around.
05:46Yep.
05:46And then nine heel to toe steps back.
05:48It's going to look like this.
05:49One, two, three, and so on.
05:53Go ahead and get back in that position for me.
05:54There you go.
05:55So you're going to take nine steps.
05:57I took three.
05:59When you get to that ninth step, you're going to take a series of small steps around your lead
06:02foot, and you're going to take nine heel to toe steps back.
06:05Okay.
06:05One, two, three, and so on until you get to nine.
06:10Okay.
06:11During this one, I want you to look down at your toes, count each step out loud, keep
06:16your arms at your side, and once you begin the test, don't stop until you're completed.
06:20Okay.
06:20Do you understand those instructions?
06:22So go nine forward, then come nine back?
06:24Yep.
06:24So nine heel to toe steps down, turn as I instructed, and nine heel to toe steps back.
06:31I can demonstrate again if you'd like me to.
06:33No, I think I understand.
06:34Okay.
06:34Okay.
06:34I just want to make sure.
06:35Yep.
06:35And that's fine.
06:36I have no problems with asking questions.
06:38Okay.
06:38You may begin.
06:39Okay.
06:40All right.
06:41All right.
07:05Good?
07:05Yep.
07:05Go ahead and turn and face back towards me.
07:07So we're going to go back to that first position again.
07:10Feet together, hands at your side.
07:11The next one's a one-leg stand.
07:13Okay.
07:13Pick a leg of your choice.
07:15Raise it approximately six inches off the ground.
07:17You're going to keep your toe pointed so your foot's flat to the ground.
07:20And you're going to look at your toe and count out loud.
07:221,001, 1,002, 1,003, and so on until I tell you to stop.
07:28Okay.
07:28During this one, I want you to look down at your toe, count as instructed, arms at your
07:32side, and keep your legs straight.
07:35Okay.
07:35Do you have any questions on that one?
07:37No, just until you stop.
07:38Yep.
07:39Okay.
07:39Give me just a second here.
07:40Which leg are you going to raise up?
07:42My right.
07:43Okay.
07:43You may begin.
07:441,001, 1,002, 1,003, 1,004, 1,005, 1,006, 1,007, 1,008, 1,009, 1,009, 1,009, oh, sorry.
08:00My balance is off.
08:011,008, 1,010, 1,011, 1,012, 1,013, 1,014, 1,014, 1,015, 1,015, 1,060.
08:16You can stop.
08:17Go ahead and put your foot there.
08:18Sorry, I don't have your balance.
08:19I did it.
08:20I did it.
08:21It's a little cold out here too, huh?
08:22My apologies.
08:24I'll get the pocket undone here.
08:32So the last one is called the preliminary breath test.
08:35It's not in lieu of the evidentiary breath test.
08:38It's like blowing up a balloon.
08:39Deep breath in and blow out.
08:42Okay.
08:48Deep breath in and blow.
08:51Keep blowing, keep blowing, keep blowing.
08:53So you've got to blow hard, okay?
08:54Not super hard, but...
08:55My apologies.
08:57Does that make sense?
08:58I've never done this before, so...
08:58Right, and that's what I'm trying to explain to you.
09:01Okay.
09:01You've got to have a consistent, consistent pressure out, okay?
09:04Okay.
09:04Deep breath in and blow.
09:09There you go.
09:11All right.
09:12How old are you?
09:1322.
09:1322.
09:14Okay.
09:15When's the last...
09:16How long ago was your last drink?
09:18About an hour ago.
09:19Okay.
09:20I left from Emporium.
09:21I'm supposed to be DDing for my friends here.
09:24Okay.
09:26If you had to guess, well, what is the legal letter?
09:30I have no idea.
09:31It's 0.08.
09:33What does that mean?
09:34Because you're over 21.
09:35What does that mean?
09:36And right now, you're at a 0.166.
09:39Okay?
09:40So right now, you...
09:41Can you tell me what that means?
09:41Right now, you're under arrest for DUI.
09:43Okay.
09:46I'll explain everything to you as we go.
09:50Is anybody in the car sober to drive?
09:52You can have.
09:54Okay.
09:57The one in the back right seat was head bobbing, barely keeping his head up.
10:03Okay.
10:05All right.
10:06So first things first here, I've got to read you your rights, okay?
10:09So right now, you have the right to remain silent.
10:13Anything you say can be used against you in the court of law.
10:16You have the right to the presence of an attorney during questioning, and if you cannot afford
10:19an attorney, one will be appointed for you prior to questioning if you so desire.
10:24You can decide at any time to exercise these rights, not make any statements or answer
10:27any questions.
10:28You understand these rights?
10:29Yeah.
10:30Okay.
10:30Just so you're aware, I am recording as well.
10:32Okay.
10:33I'm recording.
10:33Do you have anything in your pockets?
10:35Is there any pockets?
10:36No, I have nothing.
10:37All right.
10:38So what does a DUI look like?
10:41Like, I don't understand.
10:42Like, I've never had a DUI, so I don't know.
10:44We'll explain all that when we get there.
10:46So we're going to go to Pullman Police Department, and that's where we go through the DUI process,
10:50okay?
10:51So we're going to go back here to my car.
10:59Go ahead and have a seat there.
11:02Is this your car?
11:03Yes.
11:04Okay.
11:04So if nobody in the car is sober to drive, what do you want us to do?
11:10So everything in the car pretty much is Marilyn's.
11:14Okay.
11:16And then...
11:16And Marilyn's in the car?
11:17Yes, she's in the front.
11:18Okay.
11:19So that's her stuff.
11:20Okay.
11:20So if no one in that car...
11:21Because I just drove them home.
11:24Okay.
11:25So it's her car?
11:26No, it's my car.
11:26It's your car.
11:27Okay.
11:27Yes.
11:27So if nobody can drive, can I safely park your car in the parking lot here?
11:31Of course.
11:31If they can find a ride?
11:32Is it towed or...?
11:33No, no.
11:33I'm not going to tow it.
11:34Okay.
11:35I'm trying to find a safe place to park it off the roadway so it doesn't get towed.
11:38Okay.
11:38Does that make sense?
11:39Yes.
11:39Okay.
11:40Hang tight for me.
11:41Well, Emma Bailey is 22 years old, a resident of Moscow, Idaho, and what's immediately interesting
11:53is her address.
11:54She lived really close to the King Roadhouse.
11:56How close?
11:57Like right behind it, basically.
11:59And public attention really zoomed in on her more recently because she was arrested.
12:05Right.
12:05I heard about that with another guy.
12:07Yeah.
12:07With a 36-year-old named Demetrius Robinson.
12:10They were arrested south of Seattle, accused of providing fatal drugs.
12:14That happened earlier this year.
12:15Wow.
12:16Okay.
12:17And it's maybe worth remembering, she also had an earlier DUI arrest back in 2025, which
12:22had already brought her some, you know, local attention.
12:24And this recent drag arrest, that seems to be fueling one of the main theories, the whole
12:29DoorDash delivery thing.
12:31That's right.
12:32It feeds right into it.
12:33One theory that's gotten a lot of traction online is this idea that maybe, just maybe,
12:38Emma Bailey was the DoorDash driver.
12:40The one who delivered food to the King Roadhouse really late.
12:44Yeah.
12:44Around 4 a.m. on November 13th, you know, shortly before the tragic events unfolded.
12:49And this connects to the probable cause affidavit.
12:52Because that mentioned a jack-in-the-box order, right?
12:54Exactly.
12:54A probable cause affidavit, just for context, is that sworn statement law enforcement uses,
12:59outlining why they think there's enough evidence for an arrest.
13:03So the fact that this specific order is mentioned in that document makes the delivery details
13:08seem pretty significant.
13:09Okay.
13:10And is there anything backing up the idea that it was Emma Bailey?
13:13Well, there are reports unconfirmed, mind you.
13:16But circulating that Emma Bailey's mother actually confirmed she was working as a DoorDash driver
13:21around that specific time.
13:24Interesting.
13:24And on top of that, both jack-in-the-box itself and another source apparently confirmed
13:29that the driver who made that particular delivery was a young female with black hair.
13:33Which matches Emma Bailey's description.
13:36It does.
13:36She's known to have long hair, sometimes dyed black.
13:39So that detail definitely stands out to people investigating online.
13:43You know, this is where it gets really, really intriguing.
13:46That YouTube channel, JR Investigates.
13:49They brought up this video clip.
13:51Oh, the noise complaint one.
13:52Yeah.
13:52From months before the murders at the King Road house.
13:56Right.
13:57What's fascinating or maybe chilling about that clip is this moment where you hear someone
14:02yelling, Bailey, Bailey.
14:04And then someone comes out.
14:05Yeah.
14:05A young woman with dark hair comes out of the house.
14:08And the YouTube investigator does this side by side, comparing her to Emma Bailey from her
14:14DUI arrest footage.
14:15Is there a resemblance?
14:17Well, they argue there is.
14:18Yeah.
14:19Subjective, of course.
14:20But it certainly makes you wonder.
14:22It immediately raises the question.
14:24Had Emma Bailey been to the King Road house before?
14:27Did she know people there?
14:29And that ties into Ashlyn Couch, doesn't it?
14:30One of the former roommates.
14:32Exactly.
14:32Ashlyn Couch.
14:33She lived in the King Road house, but moved out before the murders happened, although she
14:37was apparently still in the lease and the reported connection.
14:40Emma Bailey and Ashlyn Couch are apparently friends on Instagram.
14:44Like, say that.
14:46I don't quite understand what that means.
14:48Like, do you want to talk to an attorney right now?
14:52Is that what that means?
14:54Could you read this to me again?
14:55Do you want to exercise your rights at this time?
14:57That means, do I want to talk to an attorney?
14:59Correct.
14:59So, that's what this is, what you're, by saying, by reading this and signing here, it's saying
15:06right now you do not want to exercise your rights and speak with an attorney right now.
15:10What is the difference?
15:11I'm sorry, I don't know if you're the person to ask.
15:13But I can't, I never think of this.
15:15I cannot give you legal advice.
15:17Okay.
15:18I can reread things that are on this form, but I cannot give you legal advice.
15:25What, can you tell me what would happen if I did or did not talk to an attorney?
15:30Uh, if you want to speak with an attorney, I'll call one and we'll go in that room and
15:34you'll talk to an attorney on the phone.
15:36Are they available at this hour?
15:38Yep, 24 hours a day.
15:39We always have an on-call attorney.
15:41Could I speak to one?
15:41Yep, yep.
15:42Are they able to give me legal advice?
15:44Yes, they are.
15:45Okay, I just want to learn, so.
15:47Yep.
15:47All right.
15:48Another little link people point to.
15:50Right.
15:51Okay, so let's shift gears slightly to Demetrius Robinson, the man arrested with Emma Bailey
15:56more recently.
15:57What do we know about their connection?
15:59Well, the information that's out there publicly suggests they might have been in a romantic
16:03relationship.
16:04Remember, he's 36, she's 22.
16:06Okay.
16:06And interestingly, public record searches reportedly show that Demetrius Robinson might have received
16:12mail or maybe even had credit cards linked to Emma Bailey's address.
16:16Her address, which is right behind the King Roadhouse.
16:18Correct.
16:19Which obviously raises eyebrows.
16:21There's also some online chatter, speculation really, that Emma Bailey might have done some
16:25modeling work for him at some point.
16:26Okay, so we've got proximity to the scene, a potential prior visit to the house based on
16:32that video, a link to a former resident via social media, and now this drug arrest with
16:37someone who seems closely tied to her address.
16:40Wow.
16:41A lot of circumstantial threads, yeah.
16:43But then the Jays for Justice podcast introduced something else entirely, a pool party.
16:49Yes.
16:50They explored this theory about a possible meeting, an encounter between Brian Koberger
16:55and Emma Bailey, way back on July 9th, at a pool party.
17:00A pool party?
17:01Where was this?
17:02It was at the Grove.
17:03That's an apartment complex near the university.
17:05Lots of UOI students live there.
17:08Apparently, Brian Koberger was there because his neighbor, Christian Martinez, invited him.
17:12Okay.
17:13And did anything stand out about Koberger's behavior at this party, according to the podcast?
17:17Well, several things were reported by people who were there.
17:20He apparently talked to another guy named Salem John.
17:22He also went up to the DJ, Zach Cartwright, and started asking really specific technical
17:28questions about his speakers and sound system.
17:31Cartwright apparently found it pretty odd.
17:33Weird.
17:33Yeah.
17:34And maybe more notably, he said to have approached two women at the party, asked for their numbers
17:39quite abruptly, and then just left soon after.
17:43And those women reported something later, didn't they?
17:46They did.
17:47They apparently received a series of hang-up calls afterwards.
17:50They didn't connect it to Koberger at the time, obviously, but recalled it after his arrest.
17:54Okay.
17:54And the FBI looked into this pool party, right?
17:56They did.
17:57Investigators interviewed people who attended.
17:59They specifically asked if anyone took photos or videos.
18:02Trying to see if the victims were there.
18:04Presumably.
18:05Or maybe Koberger interacting with someone specific.
18:09But no photos or videos showing the victims at that party has surfaced, as far as we know.
18:14But this leads to the podcast's big what if.
18:17Exactly.
18:18What if Emma Bailey was also at that pool party?
18:22Could she have been one of the people Koberger's interacted with?
18:25Maybe even one of those women.
18:27And if she was there, that could be another potential connection point between her and Koberger,
18:31however brief.
18:32Precisely.
18:34And given the later drug allegations against Bailey, a potential meeting at this party
18:38months earlier, well, it opens up possibilities for different kinds of connections or interactions
18:44people are speculating about.
18:46Right.
18:46Plus, you have the geographical element again.
18:49Bailey, living so close to the King Road house, means her phone might ping the same cell
18:53towers that Koberger's phone allegedly did.
18:56That cell tower data is a big part of the prosecution's case, showing proximity.
19:00How does this pool party theory potentially interact with Koberger's defense?
19:05They've mentioned an alibi.
19:07Right.
19:07The defense has stated they have information showing Brian Koberger was somewhere else
19:11when the murders occurred.
19:13So if Emma Bailey was at that pool party and did interact with Koberger, well, it could
19:20offer an alternative reason for any potential link or data point the prosecution might have
19:25connecting them separate from the night of the murders.
19:28Did the podcast find anyone who could confirm Bailey was there?
19:31The host mentioned talking to seven people who were at the party.
19:35When asked specifically about Emma Bailey, the answers were apparently pretty vague, ranged
19:40from I think she was there to she might have been.
19:43No definitive yes or no, just uncertainty.
19:45Okay.
19:45Well, he knows the process.
19:48So I hope he answered your questions for you.
19:53Let's see.
19:58Okay.
20:00So even though you've talked to him on the phone, I'm going to go back through and reread
20:04your rights before we can continue with the process.
20:07I won't have the only thing I'm going to ask you.
20:09There's one question and it's, will you take the breath test?
20:12And I'll get to that later.
20:13Okay.
20:13So I don't answer it now.
20:15But right now you have the right to remain silent.
20:17You have the right at this time to an attorney.
20:20Anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of law.
20:24If you were under the age of 18, anything you say can be used against you in a juvenile
20:29court prosecution for a juvenile offense and can also be used against you in an adult court
20:34criminal prosecution.
20:35If the juvenile court decides that you are to be tried as an adult, you have the right
20:40to talk to an attorney before answering any questions.
20:43You have the right to have an attorney present during the questioning.
20:47If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you without cost if you so
20:52desire.
20:52You can exercise these rights at any time.
20:55Do you understand these rights?
20:57Yes.
20:59As far as I know.
21:00I'm just going to put a new time stamp on here.
21:04Oops.
21:06I hit the space bar and made the page go down.
21:11Come back.
21:11Come back.
21:151, 2, 3, 3.
21:17We're going to do that mouth check again because you've been in here by yourself.
21:45I don't think you've probably put anything in your mouth.
21:48Of course not.
21:49Before we do that, I'm going to clear.
21:52Do you want to switch?
21:54Yes.
21:54Okay.
21:56So we're going to go over here real quick while they get through their part.
21:59Come on out.
22:00Yes, please.
22:02We're going to come over here.
22:03Let him wander in there.
22:05We're just going to switch you guys out real quick.
22:09Do you want me to sit up?
22:11Yes.
22:13I'm going to put you back in those handcuffs again.
22:15We'll do the mouth check.
22:16We'll continue on.
22:17Okay.
22:28All right.
22:28Go ahead and have a seat there.
22:29Okay.
22:31So still just a theory.
22:33The JS4 Justice podcast also talked about something broader, didn't they?
22:37Like narcotics trafficking in Moscow.
22:39They did, yeah.
22:40They raised this possibility of like a wider narcotics trade, maybe operating around Greek
22:45Row in Moscow.
22:45Yeah.
22:46And they questioned whether that could somehow be connected to the murders.
22:49How so?
22:49Well, they referenced information from the DEA, the Drug Enforcement Administration, about
22:53the flow of fentanyl precursors from China, how cartels in Mexico process them, and how
22:59these drugs end up in distribution networks that reach college towns like Moscow.
23:04And did local law enforcement have anything to say about that?
23:08They mentioned Sheriff Brett Myers, who leads the Quad City Drug Task Force.
23:13He apparently confirmed that, yes, they do work cases involving college students dealing
23:18drugs like MDMA and cocaine in the area.
23:21But did he connect it to the murders?
23:23He apparently stated he couldn't definitively say if drugs played a role in these murders,
23:27but he acknowledged it couldn't be ruled out as a possibility.
23:30It's still on the table, I guess.
23:31And did they ask if the victims might have known Bailey and Robinson?
23:36According to the podcast, when that question was posed, the answer was described as an unqualified
23:40maybe, which is vague.
23:42But they did note, again, the Ashlyn Couch Instagram connection to Bailey as a potential
23:46link.
23:47An unqualified maybe.
23:48OK.
23:49Let's turn our attention to the Reddit speculation now.
23:52What kind of theories were being tossed around there?
23:54Oh, boy.
23:56Well, Reddit, as you can imagine.
23:58Lots of theories flying around on the R. Brian Koberger Moscow thread.
24:01One prominent one suggested Emma Bailey was maybe selling drugs to Zana Kurnodal and Ethan
24:08Chapin.
24:09OK.
24:09And that maybe some kind of conflict involving Demetrius Robinson was the spark, the catalyst
24:15for the murders.
24:16Wow.
24:16OK.
24:17That's a specific theory.
24:18It gets more specific.
24:20This theory even proposed that Emma Bailey being the DoorDash driver wasn't random, but
24:25part of a plan.
24:25A plan?
24:26How?
24:27The idea was that maybe Demetrius and others used the delivery as a way to get access to
24:31the house, maybe targeting Zana specifically, possibly over a drug-related issue.
24:36And people connected this to something Steve Gonkast said.
24:39Some users did, yeah.
24:41They interpreted a comment attributed to Steve Gonkast, Kaylee's father, about the attackers
24:46not needing to have gone upstairs as potentially supporting the idea that there was a specific
24:50target downstairs, like Zana.
24:52Hmm.
24:53Did the Reddit users bring up any other names or potential connections in this drug
24:56theory?
24:57Yes.
24:57Someone mentioned a name, Brent Kopaka, connecting him somehow to Seattle, and pointed out that
25:03Demetrius Robinson is from Tacoma.
25:05So, suggesting maybe a wider drug network stretching beyond just Moscow.
25:11OK.
25:11They also brought up a really tragic detail, claiming that a young man who reportedly died
25:16from drugs, allegedly sold by Bailey and Robinson, was not only a former president of Ethan Chapin's
25:23fraternity, but also a student journalist who had been investigating drug activity at the
25:27university.
25:28Oh, wow.
25:29That's gotten quite a claim.
25:30Absolutely.
25:31Needs verification, of course, like much of this.
25:33Yeah.
25:33Another theory mentioned an atom, possibly referred to in some communication, suggesting this
25:38atom might be Demetrius Robinson's brother, who supposedly owns a white Elantra.
25:43A white Elantra.
25:44The same make and model linked to Koberger.
25:46Exactly.
25:46So, trying to tie it all together in a different way.
25:49But there were questions raised on Reddit, too, right?
25:51About whether these theories even made sense.
25:53Oh, definitely.
25:54Skepticism is alive and well on Reddit, too.
25:57Some users pointed out, you know, why would Emma Bailey need to pose as a DoorDash driver
26:01if Xana already knew her?
26:03Wouldn't Xana just open the door?
26:05Need point.
26:06They also noted potential clashes with a reported timeline of when Xana was supposedly active
26:10on TikTok that night.
26:12Doesn't quite line up, some argued.
26:14So, alternative ideas about the DoorDash delivery.
26:16Yeah.
26:17Others speculated maybe the delivery wasn't about gaining entry, but maybe a way for killers
26:21already inside to leave without drawing attention.
26:25Or maybe for the main perpetrator to arrive unnoticed during the drop-off.
26:29Hmm.
26:30Complex scenarios.
26:31Very.
26:32There was also debate about how realistic it is to, like, specifically select your DoorDash
26:38driver if you're trying to arrange a drug deal that way.
26:40Yeah.
26:40Can you even do that?
26:42Seems unlikely, right?
26:43Mm-hmm.
26:43But then there was talk of maybe a coded system ordering from Jack in the Box via DoorDash as
26:48some kind of signal for a drug transaction.
26:50Getting pretty elaborate.
26:51It is.
26:52And the driver question kept coming up.
26:54Could it have been Emma Bailey?
26:56Or maybe Ashlyn Couch, the former roommate?
26:58And then there was an even darker theory floated that maybe Emma Bailey had somehow drugged the
27:04victims before the murders even happened.
27:06Just pure speculation at this point.
27:09Pure speculation, absolutely.
27:11Generated by the online community trying to make sense of limited information.
27:15It's really important here to circle back and remember that Brian Koberger is the one
27:19arrested.
27:19Yeah.
27:19And investigators seized a lot of items connected to him.
27:23How does that stuff fit in or maybe challenge these theories about Emma Bailey?
27:27That's a crucial point.
27:29The seized items add, well, more pieces to an already confusing puzzle.
27:34Remember, they executed search warrants at his family's home in Pennsylvania, his apartment
27:38at WSU, and on him personally when he was arrested.
27:41And what kind of things did they find?
27:43From his parents' house, things like a knife, a book with some underlining, black face masks,
27:47black gloves, dark clothing.
27:49Typical stuff you might associate with the crime, perhaps.
27:51Okay.
27:52And his car?
27:53Yeah.
27:53The Elantra?
27:53In the white Elantra, they found more gloves, hiking boots, a shovel, some maps, receipts.
27:59And on him!
28:00When arrested, he had a flashlight and, interestingly, medical-style gloves on him.
28:06So, how does this connect back to the Emma Bailey theories, especially on Reddit?
28:10Well, one Reddit user raised a really key question.
28:13If Koberger's only connection was maybe buying drugs from Emma Bailey, as some speculated,
28:19how did his DNA allegedly end up on that knife sheath found at the crime scene, near Maddie
28:25Mogan?
28:25Right.
28:26A drug deal wouldn't explain that directly.
28:28Exactly.
28:28It suggests some more direct involvement, according to that user's logic.
28:32Which then leads back to other questions.
28:34Was there another type of interaction?
28:36Or was the drug theory just wrong?
28:38Some even speculated maybe Koberger was simply a customer buying drugs from Bailey.
28:43So, the seized items don't directly involve Bailey, but they complicate narratives that
28:46try to minimize Koberger's alleged role.
28:49Precisely.
28:50They ground the investigation back to him, while these other theories swirl around the
28:53periphery.
28:54Okay.
28:55And just to cover all daces, there was also that body cam footage from Emma Bailey's
29:00DUI arrest.
29:01What did the transparency body cam video show?
29:04Right.
29:04That gave a glimpse into a separate incident.
29:06It showed her being pulled over in Pullman, Washington, for running a red light.
29:10And the officer suspected DUI.
29:13Yes.
29:13The officer noted the smell of alcohol.
29:16Bailey admitted she'd had some to drink, but said she felt it wasn't enough to drive.
29:21Standard denial, perhaps.
29:22Did she do sobriety tests?
29:23She did voluntary field sobriety tests, and reportedly showed some balance issues.
29:28Then the breathalyzer.
29:29What was the reading?
29:30It came back at .166 BAC, blood alcohol content, which is more than double the legal
29:38limit in Washington state.
29:39So she was arrested.
29:40Yes.
29:40Arrested for DUI.
29:42The footage shows her acknowledging her rights, being cooperative generally, and being taken
29:46to the Pullman Police Department.
29:47And bail.
29:48There's audio of her making a phone call to arrange bail.
29:51And the amount mentioned was $500 cash.
29:54She also talked about where her car was parked, needing her key and phone back.
29:57So it just provides a snapshot of a different interaction with law enforcement.
30:00Exactly.
30:01Separate from the Seattle arrest, separate from the Moscow investigation, but part of
30:06the public picture of Emma Bailey that exists now.
30:08Okay.
30:09So we have really journeyed through a lot of information here, a real deep dive.
30:14Definitely.
30:14We looked at Emma Bailey's background, her Moscow connection, that recent arrest, then
30:19the whole DoorDash driver theory, which keeps popping up.
30:22Mm-hmm.
30:22The potential connections to the King Roadhouse itself, through that noise complaint video,
30:27and the link to Ashlyn Couch.
30:29Right.
30:29And the possibility, however speculative, of an encounter with Brian Koberger himself
30:34at that pool party months before.
30:36Then broadening out to the wider context of potential drug trafficking in Moscow, the
30:40theories from the J is for Justice podcast.
30:43And finally, diving into that tangled web of speculation on Reddit.
30:47The drug deals, the planned deliveries, the alternative suspects.
30:51It's certainly a lot of threads, many of them looping back on each other, creating
30:55this complex picture of alleged connections and possibilities.
30:58It really is.
30:59And I think it's so vital, as you said earlier, to stress again, that the vast majority of
31:04this remains firmly in the realm of speculation.
31:07It hasn't been officially verified by law enforcement or through court proceedings.
31:11Absolutely critical to remember.
31:12We still have huge unanswered questions.
31:14Was Emma Bailey actually the DoorDash driver?
31:18Did she have any direct connection to the victims or to Brian Koberger?
31:22Did narcotics play any role, direct or indirect?
31:25And what happened that night?
31:26And what is the real significance of all those items seized during Koberger's arrest?
31:31How do they fit the final picture?
31:33Those are the key questions the official investigation is hopefully answering.
31:37This really just underscores how incredibly intricate and complex this case still is, even all this
31:43time later.
31:44And for you, the listener, I think it highlights the sheer volume of information, some factual,
31:49some deeply speculative that just swirls around a case like this.
31:53That's a constant flow.
31:54And it's such a stark reminder of why it's so important to rely on verified, credible news
32:00sources for the official updates as the legal process unfolds.
32:04But looking at how all these threads around Emma Bailey converge, even if they are speculative,
32:09it really does illustrate the many, many different angles that investigators and certainly the
32:14public online are exploring as they try desperately to understand what happened on King Road.
32:20It shows the human need to find patterns, to find explanations, especially in the face of
32:24something so horrific.
32:26Which brings us to maybe a final thought to leave you with.
32:28Given all these layers, the speculation, the reported details, the unconfirmed connections,
32:34what does this intense public focus on individuals like Emma Bailey, even without any definitive
32:40proof of her involvement in the actual crime?
32:43What does that tell us about our collective search for answers?
32:46About how we understand guilt, innocence, and justice when dealing with these profoundly disturbing
32:51cases?
32:52That's a heavy question.
32:53Something to definitely think about long after this deep dive ends.
32:56Tara, what was your first reaction when you learned that your former attorney is representing
33:03the man accused of killing your daughter?
33:10I am heartbroken.
33:12I'm heartbroken because I trusted her.
33:14She pretended that she was wanting to help me and to find that out that she's representing
33:25representing him.
33:25I can't even convey how betrayed I feel.
33:32Have you had a chance to speak with her about this?
33:35No.
33:36No, I haven't spoken with her.
33:39I found out through a friend who found it on Reddit.
33:45You found out through a friend through social media.
33:48You weren't notified by Ann Taylor, your attorney herself?
33:51Right now.
33:55And have you tried to reach out to her?
33:58No, I just found out today, literally.
34:00So, yeah.
34:02So, I mean, just so many thoughts.
34:05It's so incredible that there is this connection.
34:09Are you going to try to fight this at all?
34:11Well, yeah.
34:14Yeah.
34:15Absolutely.
34:16Yes.
34:18Because, as I understand it, this would require a waiver, something that you sign and that he
34:24would sign in order for her to go ahead and be able to do this legitimately.
34:29I can imagine the way your reaction is that you are not interested in signing a waiver to
34:35allow her to continue on.
34:36Right, exactly.
34:38And I'd already given her power of attorney.
34:41I'd already signed over power of attorney so that she could help me with getting into
34:46rehab and whatnot.
34:48And so, I mean, I don't understand how she could do this.
34:56I don't understand what happens now.
34:59Does she still have a power of attorney or what goes on now?
35:03I don't even know where you want to start, but let's just start with this new reporting
35:06about another job that he lost, another firing.
35:10But this one was significant because he had professional training on how to fillet with
35:15an industry standard knife.
35:18Yeah, this was really interesting.
35:20Our friend Jennifer Coffendoffer helped to dig this up.
35:23Basically, this goes back to 2011 from when Coeberger was in high school.
35:28He worked at that fish shop for about four months and his job, and he was trained to cut
35:35and fillet raw fish.
35:38So he was handy with the knife, but he didn't do so well with the customers, as you mentioned.
35:44The owner of the shop, I said, didn't really get along with customers, wasn't really polite
35:49to customers.
35:50The owner realized very, very quickly that he really wasn't a front-of-the-house-type
35:55employee, and essentially, he really just didn't work out at all.
35:59And after about four months, he no longer worked there anymore.
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