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Heather Dubrow on the Roofie Rumor, Former Fat Photo and More 'RHOC' Drama
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00:00Heather, we've got a lot going on this season as always.
00:02Yes.
00:03Going to jump right in and just start with this photo of Jen, this former fatty photo.
00:08Why do you think Tamara pulled this up?
00:11What do you make of all of this and what's going on between those two?
00:14You know, those two have been at odds since the beginning.
00:17And I don't know if I can resolve the deep-seated issues that are happening there, but I will say this.
00:23I think what's hard to understand is that Tamara and I were together that night for quite some time.
00:28And Tamara was going through a very difficult time.
00:31And I know people know that.
00:32But when you're sitting with a friend and they are telling you some very deep, sad things about therapy and their best friend being ill and all these things,
00:42when she pulled up the photo, I was kind of, you know, no, it's fine.
00:46She looks great.
00:47And I don't think I called it a fatty photo.
00:49She looked great.
00:50She just looks different now.
00:52And trust me, you can pull up photos of me over the decades and I look different.
00:56So everyone can look different at different eras in their life.
01:00But Jen looks, she's a smoke show.
01:01She looks great.
01:02Yeah, she does.
01:03Do you think this single white female thing that Tamara also is kind of referencing,
01:08is she just saying this stuff because she's looking for something to say and she's just like,
01:14where do you think the root of that is?
01:16Well, first of all, and I have to say, when I watch the episode, I texted Jen.
01:20I'm like, oh, my gosh, I'm so sorry.
01:22I didn't even remember that she said single white female because, you know, we're on the trolley in New Orleans.
01:25And I'm like, she didn't say that to me.
01:28Flashback, single white female.
01:30I was like, oops.
01:32She, why did she say that?
01:34I don't know.
01:35I mean, again, when I sat with Tamara, she had a laundry list of reasons why she felt that way.
01:42And she made very compelling arguments.
01:44Then when I sit with Jen, she has a different story.
01:48So, you know, it's hard to be between people.
01:51It is hard.
01:51And I feel like you make an effort to hear both sides.
01:54Is that a role you actively try to take on?
01:57Has it been something that's been able, like a skill you've learned as being a housewife for so long?
02:01Like, how do you do it?
02:03I mean, I think I have a lot of children.
02:04I have friends.
02:05I'm of a certain age.
02:06You know, you learn how to move in society and try not to take sides.
02:10But I have to say, you know, I get a lot of crap from the other girls about not taking sides.
02:15If I'm, you know, with Tamara, I'll say about Jen, oh, but she looks great and all these things.
02:21And, ah, did that really happen?
02:22And then when I'm with Jen, you know, I'm saying, well, there's another side to the story.
02:26I really can't win.
02:27Yeah.
02:27So maybe I need to start taking sides.
02:30Maybe.
02:30Anyway, the Katie of it all.
02:32Yeah.
02:32Where is your take as someone who's been on Reality Street for a long time with interacting with bloggers, with podcast hosts?
02:39There's obviously fans who love you guys so much, but it seems to get things a little dicey sometimes.
02:44Where do you fall in that world?
02:45Well, you know, look, I love the bloggers and I love fans of the show.
02:49I love people that write about the show.
02:51It's great.
02:52You know, they're another layer to what we do.
02:55I think the problem is when a cast member is reaching out to people to try to move story, change story, manipulate story, massage story.
03:04It's a problem for everyone.
03:06And, you know, as far as Katie goes, she's so beautiful and she seems to have a lovely family and a great marriage.
03:13And I wish she had known that she's enough.
03:16Yeah.
03:16What about this roofie rumor?
03:18This is the new thing that kind of takes over your trip to New Orleans.
03:21What did you think when you first heard this?
03:24What was your initial reaction of the origin of the story and if there was any truth to it?
03:29What was going through your head when it was related to you?
03:30Well, I was 100% sure there was no truth to the rumor because this happened.
03:34I mean, this predated me.
03:36It's a long time ago.
03:37It's a long time ago.
03:38And I promise you, had that been even an inkling of a story, it would have come out already.
03:44Yeah.
03:44So I knew that it wasn't a thing.
03:46So then the question was, where did that come from and why?
03:48Do we think it came from Katie at all?
03:52Do we think it ever came out of Gretchen's mouth?
03:54Do we think Tamra misheard?
03:56Where could it have come from?
03:58On tonight's show, I think you really see how the conversation starts.
04:04I can't really tell you the answer to that.
04:07You're going to have to keep watching, but it is quite interesting.
04:11It is quite interesting.
04:12There's been a lot of talk about Katie and whether she can kind of come back from this.
04:17She's had a lot of issues with a lot of different women.
04:19The recording of Shannon, I feel like people have said, you know, there's no future for
04:23her on this show.
04:24What do you think?
04:25Is there always room for redemption?
04:27Does you think it makes sense to have her as part of the show?
04:30Well, I mean, look, the answer is, it depends.
04:34I'm certainly not the hirer or the fire of this show.
04:38Obviously, you know, we want to be a cohesive group.
04:41The whole is greater than the sum of its parts, and we all need to be engaged and great
04:47and our authentic selves.
04:49And whoever makes sense within the confines of that will come back.
04:53But crazy things have happened before.
04:56So, I don't know.
04:57I mean, you're filming with Gretchen again.
04:59Crazy things have happened.
05:00I mean, Gretchen told me years ago she was never coming back.
05:02And here she is well into the mix and a great addition.
05:06So, I don't know.
05:06And, you know, sometimes things happen at the reunion that are very surprising, too.
05:10So, we'll see.
05:11Tonight, we also see Tam...
05:13We finally get the context of that Instagram post that Tamra had done when you guys were
05:16filming, kind of...
05:17What'd you think?
05:18...quitting the show.
05:18I was surprised that that's what it was.
05:20I had no idea what was going to be the catalyst of that.
05:24I had a feeling maybe there were some underlying emotions with Teddy.
05:28Was that really kind of affecting Tamra's state of mind and everything she was going
05:32through in general?
05:34Or do you think that was part of it?
05:36Yeah, Tamra was going through a very, very tough period of time.
05:39I've known her for almost 15 years.
05:41I've never seen her like this before.
05:42And that's why when some of the girls are like, you know, why are you always defending
05:46her?
05:46And I see some comments from audience members like, what does she have on you?
05:50Nothing.
05:50We've known each other a long time.
05:52We're friends.
05:52And when you see a friend really in trouble emotionally, of course, you care for them
05:58and you want them to be better.
06:00But that whole night, I literally thought I missed something.
06:03I kind of thought I missed something too.
06:04I kept saying to Gina, I go, but what happened?
06:07She's like, nothing.
06:08You saw, you were there.
06:09And I was like, but I feel like I missed something because how did that all take a turn?
06:12And it gets even more bizarre.
06:14So you're going to have to keep watching.
06:15Did you ever think Tamra was quitting for good?
06:22My knee jerk is yes, but no.
06:24Yeah.
06:25What did you mean?
06:26I mean, but look, again, I've known Tamra a long time.
06:29I was there in Bali.
06:30You'll never see my face again.
06:33We did.
06:34Right.
06:34We did.
06:35I feel like she kind of, she lashes out a lot at Gina, who I think was just trying to
06:40point out maybe your behavior is not adding up and almost giving her like a hint, like
06:44take it down because, you know, this might escalate.
06:47Right.
06:47She snaps a little bit at you too when you were trying to comfort her.
06:50What were you thinking in that moment?
06:52Just like, let's try to get Tamra to calm down or get her out of this.
06:55No, I was so confused as to what had happened because also you have to understand as the
07:00audience, you see these side conversations that are, I didn't know what happened when
07:04Tamra went outside with Gretchen and with Katie.
07:07I wish now that I've seen it, I wish Tamra had stayed there for a few minutes and kept
07:12talking to Gretchen because I think Gretchen was figuring it out and they may have gone
07:17to a different conclusion after all that.
07:20And I would have, I was curious to hear what Katie had to add to it too.
07:23Yeah.
07:23So they have this conversation, question mark, they come back in and, and then it gets crazy.
07:29I had no idea.
07:30What did you make of Gretchen taking Katie's side or believing Katie?
07:34I understood it.
07:35Yeah.
07:35She is friends with Katie and she and Tamra were in a contentious part of their friendship.
07:43I totally understand why her knee jerk reaction would be like, yeah, let me figure this out.
07:47But I have to say, when I watched them standing out in the hallway, Gretchen wasn't like,
07:51this is the way it is and too bad.
07:53She was like explaining it.
07:56Yeah.
07:57Do you think those two could ever actually like, because it's kind of nice seeing Gretchen
08:00and Tamra be like friendly when they went off, when you guys were doing the voodoo stuff.
08:04Like, I really liked seeing that.
08:05I was like, I felt like we need this.
08:07We need this healing.
08:08So I don't know if you remember, and this has been like a thing for me since Gretchen came back.
08:12When I joined the show, Tamra and Gretchen became friends.
08:16Yeah.
08:16So we were all friends.
08:18Yeah.
08:18You know, we were at Tamra's wedding.
08:20We did a bachelorette for her.
08:21We traveled.
08:22We were in Costa Rica.
08:23We did all this fun stuff.
08:25We laughed a lot together.
08:26So even though I knew that they had had history that predated me when I arrived on the scene,
08:34but they were friends.
08:35So it's bizarre to me.
08:38Like, I never really understood why it went so south.
08:41I know.
08:42I feel like they just cared about it.
08:43They actually did love each other so much.
08:45Maybe it, like, went, like, below the surface level, and then they, like, could never get past it.
08:49Because I liked watching those two run around together.
08:51Me, too.
08:52And they're fun.
08:52And I love them both.
08:53And I hope maybe someday that will happen.
08:57There you go.
08:58Gina recently on Watch What Happens Live said something about you, and you cleared it up,
09:03that that was not what happened.
09:04You just had sent her an article.
09:06How do you guys navigate this stuff when you're texting each other and then worried about, like,
09:10well, you're going to, it's going to be a receipt seven months later or something?
09:12I'm not worried about things because, first of all, I'm a very careful texter.
09:17You have to be.
09:18You have to be.
09:19That's number one.
09:20And I wouldn't ever text something or say something that I wouldn't want repeated.
09:25So, a couple things.
09:26First of all, at that period of time between when we were done filming and the reunion,
09:30there was a lot of articles came up about Katie.
09:32Yeah.
09:33More than, you know, the custody.
09:34There was, you know, lawsuits and this person that got arrested.
09:40There were lots and lots of articles.
09:42And we were all passing them to each other, like, oh, my gosh, did you see this?
09:45Did you see this?
09:46There was no malintent.
09:48And there's certainly, and this is what I really want to clear up, there was no research.
09:51I didn't look anything up.
09:53I didn't dig anything up.
09:54There was nothing like that.
09:56This was just stuff that was coming out in the media.
09:58Yeah.
09:58OK Magazine, Page Six, whatever it was.
10:00Yeah.
10:01And we were sharing them with each other.
10:03So, when Gina said that, I was like, what?
10:08Because it made it sound so salacious.
10:10Yeah.
10:10And she used the word research, and I didn't care for that.
10:12And we did talk about it.
10:13I was going to say, have we?
10:14Have you guys made up?
10:14Oh, I called her that night.
10:16She did not pick up.
10:17But we did.
10:18We talked the next day.
10:19I did light her up a little bit.
10:21Yeah.
10:21I'm going to be honest.
10:22And then I apologize later for lighting her up.
10:24But I mean, look, I love her.
10:26We're great friends.
10:27Emily and I talked to her.
10:28Tamara, we all talked about it.
10:29But like I said, it was a period of time where everyone was sending each other information.
10:33Now, just so you understand, if something comes out in the media about me or me and Terry,
10:39it is all passed around.
10:40Right.
10:40It's no different than, you know, like Shannon's DUI or the FBI thing or things that have come
10:45up with us, the good, the bad, the ugly, we share that stuff.
10:48Right.
10:48The same way you would share something if you heard something about a friend on Carpool
10:51Lane.
10:52Exactly.
10:52I would imagine.
10:53No, it's exactly the same thing.
10:54And honestly, I'm not mad that the girls will do that when it's about us.
10:58It's just, it's par for the course.
10:59Yeah.
10:59It's the name of the game.
11:00I wanted to ask you about your house.
11:02First of all, bringing the Joshes together.
11:04I almost wish we saw more of that.
11:06What more didn't we get to see about having those two?
11:09Should I try parting the sea next?
11:11I think so.
11:12What was it like?
11:12Water into wide?
11:13That one might be better.
11:14Yes.
11:15There you go.
11:15It was, they were great.
11:17Yeah.
11:17I love them both so much.
11:19They are such fantastic guys.
11:21They're both handsome, smart, you know, charming, successful, amazing real estate agents.
11:28And before we had decided to officially list the house, both of them had been showing
11:34it.
11:34And so it just, it felt like the right thing to do.
11:36Oh, that could be its own show.
11:38Yeah.
11:38Oh my God.
11:39I love it.
11:39It recently sold.
11:40Am I correct?
11:41Yes.
11:41Okay.
11:42And how would you feel about it?
11:43I know you guys, how much money did you end up putting into the house?
11:45I know that the deal maybe was a little under the asking, but what did you make of how
11:48it all shook out?
11:49So, I mean, you know, sometimes the universe speaks to you and tells you it's time to move
11:53on.
11:53And we've been, I have to say, we've been pretty good at listening to the universe.
11:57But I don't know if you saw it, but we have a new podcast, Terry and I.
12:01Oh, do you?
12:02Yes.
12:02Tell me.
12:02So after 10 years.
12:04Um, of doing Heather Dubrow's world and let's talk, I decided I was ready for a change.
12:10And so Terry and I launched a new podcast yesterday.
12:12There's a teaser episode out wherever you get your podcasts through iHeart, which we're
12:18very excited to be partnering with iHeart.
12:20And it's called Between Us.
12:22Okay.
12:23And the reason why I'm plugging it, first of all, because you must download and subscribe
12:27and listen and you too.
12:28Okay, well.
12:29But I mean, we're not gatekeeping.
12:30We're telling everything.
12:31And the story about the house, I told it on the show, but you know, there's only so
12:36much real estate.
12:37Right.
12:37And we are telling you the entire story of the house, the good, the bad, and the ugly.
12:45And some of it's ugly.
12:46So I highly recommend tuning in to Between Us next week.
12:50Okay.
12:50I will.
12:51Do we think there'll be more future investment properties?
12:53I mean, sure.
12:56I don't know.
12:57You know, we have three kids going to college.
12:59Our third child, we're dropping off on Saturday.
13:01Oh my God.
13:02Congratulations.
13:03I feel like we all grew up with them.
13:04I know.
13:05So I feel old.
13:05And then our youngest is starting high school.
13:08Okay.
13:08Which is so exciting.
13:09And so we're kind of just figuring it out.
13:11We love penthouse living.
13:13Okay.
13:14I sort of never want to see a blade of grass again, but I think the kids want at home.
13:18So I don't know.
13:18We'll see.
13:19They want somewhere to come home to.
13:20Apparently.
13:21Where did you go to college?
13:23Yeah.
13:23No.
13:24Casual.
13:25Same.
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