- 6 weeks ago
- #stevelacy
For Rolling Stone's new cover story, #stevelacy took a boat ride on the Seine in Paris with Senior Music Editor Jeff Ihaza to talk about his new album, how he's finding faith again, the culture shock he felt when performing after COVID and going viral, and more.
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00:00You want to open it?
00:00Yeah.
00:01I want to open it.
00:02You do it?
00:02I'll do it.
00:03Or I mean, we could do it.
00:04It's your cover.
00:05It's my cover?
00:06Your cover.
00:07I usually don't do this.
00:09Oh my God.
00:12Rolling Stone.
00:14Shout out to Rolling Stone one time.
00:16Your first time in Paris.
00:18My first cover for Rolling Stone.
00:20I bite my tongue, it's a bad habit.
00:25Kind of mad that I didn't take a stab at it.
00:28Thought you were too good for me, my dear.
00:31Never gave me time to pay my attention.
00:33Look at this.
00:35Yo.
00:35So they got an elevator in the Eiffel Tower.
00:37Yeah.
00:38And you just go up there?
00:39Yeah, I think so.
00:40That feels unnecessary.
00:43It's kind of rusty.
00:44Yeah, hell no.
00:45I ain't going up there.
00:46Nah.
00:47That seems scary as hell.
00:51When was your first time in Paris?
00:54I think it was an internet show.
00:57I guess whenever I graduated high school,
00:582017 or 2016.
01:00You graduated high school in 2017?
01:02In 16.
01:03Well, what's your first memory in Paris?
01:05I guess it has to be meeting my friend Mika.
01:07She was at the show.
01:08And you just like...
01:09And I saw her and then I was like,
01:11who is that?
01:12Her friend had messaged me.
01:13And then we ended up meeting up
01:16and then she had Jewel Pods.
01:18Back when that was popular.
01:19You really are class of 2016.
01:21Yeah.
01:21I was one of the first vapers.
01:23I was one of the first people
01:24in the Gen Z crack pipe.
01:28But I got off early.
01:29First on, first off.
01:31Yeah.
01:32But yeah, I remember my shit had died.
01:34And this is before all of the popularity.
01:36So Mika had pods and a charger for me.
01:41That's a super fond memory for me.
01:43That's how Mika.
01:47You were telling me earlier that like
01:49Paris is easier for you to feel like
01:52less pressure to like do stuff.
01:55Yeah.
01:56What's that about?
01:58I think it's just in the infrastructure here.
02:00Like leisure is a part of work.
02:04You know?
02:05So you kind of feel it throughout the whole city.
02:07It's just like everyone's kind of
02:08just a lot more relaxed.
02:11Everyone is chilling.
02:11Not so stressed.
02:13Yeah.
02:13And you've been recording a lot out here.
02:15Yeah, a bit.
02:15Do you find Paris to be a source of inspiration?
02:19It has been.
02:21It has been.
02:22It inspires me based on the clarity
02:24that I have from being here.
02:25Your album is called Oh Yeah.
02:28Oh Yeah?
02:29Oh Yeah?
02:29The question's important.
02:31What's this process been like?
02:32You know?
02:32You had the, you had Gemini Rights.
02:34Was that we're coming up on three years
02:35since Gemini Rights?
02:36Right.
02:40You started recording this new project immediately
02:42or what was the vibe?
02:44Kind of.
02:46I think so.
02:47Like toward the end of the,
02:48that album's kind of got in the studio right away.
02:51Did you want always to like
02:53make something immediately after
02:54or did it, was there like a spark?
02:56I just, I'm always making things.
02:59It's just what I do to hang out.
03:02Yeah.
03:02I just make beats.
03:04When did it start to come together for you
03:05where you felt like
03:06the record was really starting to take shape?
03:09I guess really a couple months ago.
03:11Really?
03:11There's moments of fakies.
03:13I thought it was coming,
03:15but it was like,
03:15this is not,
03:16this is not it.
03:16Three times.
03:18You thought you were it.
03:19I thought I had it.
03:20And God was like,
03:22nope.
03:23Yeah.
03:23How does that work for you?
03:23Does it just like,
03:25you just one day listen back to it
03:27and it's like,
03:27this isn't it.
03:28You get humble.
03:30Humble.
03:31I got humbled a couple times.
03:33So you played it.
03:33So now I'm like,
03:35okay,
03:35stop trying to sequence the fucking music
03:38and just write the songs.
03:40So now I'm like,
03:41I'm just writing.
03:43Yeah.
03:43And then once that's happening,
03:45I start out the story,
03:46you know,
03:47kind of doing what you do,
03:47but.
03:48Yeah.
03:48Yeah.
03:49You know,
03:49in a way.
03:49Yeah.
03:50I guess it is like an editing process
03:51and I've been humbled too.
03:52You know what I mean?
03:53Like you thought you had it
03:54and maybe for the last
03:56two or three weeks,
03:57it finally feels
03:58closest it's ever been.
04:02Cause you know,
04:02you played some songs for me
04:03a few months ago or not.
04:04I mean,
04:04how long ago was that?
04:05Like a month,
04:06maybe two months ago,
04:07maybe a month.
04:08And there's a lot of heartbreak.
04:11Yeah.
04:11But it seems as though
04:12we've healed from that.
04:14In the process.
04:15It's all like a story
04:17that starts and gets completed,
04:18but it happens in real time.
04:20You know,
04:20I'm not making it up.
04:23You saw Beyonce last night.
04:28I did see Beyonce last night.
04:30So cool.
04:31I mean,
04:31she's Beyonce.
04:32Jay-Z came out
04:33and did our favorite song.
04:34Yes.
04:35In words in Paris.
04:38That was freaking cool.
04:40When you see like a performer
04:41like Beyonce
04:41and you obviously yourself
04:43make music,
04:44you perform,
04:45do you get a level of inspiration
04:46just seeing someone at the time?
04:48No.
04:49No.
04:49I actually get the opposite.
04:51I actually want to quit.
04:53I see Beyonce.
04:55I'm like,
04:56maybe I don't have to drop this album.
04:58Just go see her.
04:59Yeah.
04:59But no,
05:00I study a lot,
05:01you know.
05:03I'm looking at the transitions
05:04and her face,
05:07you know,
05:07like her emotions
05:08that she's singing
05:09and it's inspiring.
05:11Maybe one day I could,
05:13you know,
05:13I'm not going to do choreo and shit,
05:14but you would never do choreo.
05:18I don't know.
05:19I'll never say never.
05:20Do you ever dance
05:21in front of the crowd?
05:22A little bit.
05:23But just,
05:23it's like I'm feeling it dance,
05:25not like it one and two.
05:27It's like,
05:27I like this song dance,
05:29you know,
05:30like.
05:30So what's the vibes
05:31on the new album?
05:33What do we think?
05:33You told me earlier
05:34you cut your hair
05:35and that's like
05:36the new era for you.
05:37Kind of, yeah.
05:38What's this Steve represent?
05:40I guess
05:40he used the word vulnerable.
05:43It's definitely more vulnerable,
05:45more honest.
05:47So what's the songwriting
05:48been like on this one?
05:50Patient.
05:51Patient.
05:52Direct.
05:53Funny.
05:54I feel like you're always funny.
05:56A little bit.
05:57I think I'm even funnier
05:58on this one.
05:59But also like
06:00introspective.
06:02I'll have a joke
06:03and then a line
06:04that like makes you
06:05want to cry after.
06:06So I'm like deep
06:07in that right now.
06:09And it's like rewrites,
06:11like versions.
06:11Like I'm really sitting
06:13with it and being like,
06:14this is a cool
06:16sentence conceptually,
06:17but it's not hitting
06:19like a good snare.
06:20So I'm kind of like
06:21mixing
06:22how to say something
06:25that I like
06:25and that I want to say,
06:26but also like
06:27sound selection,
06:30like a producer.
06:32So I mean,
06:36thinking about the last album,
06:37you posted this
06:38on Instagram recently
06:39where you're like
06:39talking to your fans
06:40kind of like,
06:41y'all need to run
06:41Gemini Rites up.
06:43Like,
06:43I don't feel like
06:44y'all appreciated
06:44this enough.
06:48Right.
06:48How do you feel about that?
06:50I was just talking.
06:52It wasn't like a statement.
06:53I feel like
06:54the record was really
06:55something though.
06:56Well,
06:56I feel like generally
06:57speaking,
06:58like we don't appreciate
07:00things long enough,
07:01you know?
07:02So it's like,
07:03we take this
07:04and then we ingest
07:06something else
07:06and it's like,
07:07what's next?
07:08It's like,
07:08I really sit with stuff.
07:10Yeah.
07:10And in my playlist,
07:11I'm playing a song
07:12that is like a year ago
07:13or two years ago.
07:14I'm like,
07:14this shit is still good.
07:16Why do we have to get
07:17over things so quickly?
07:18Yeah.
07:18It was more so like
07:19an ode to like
07:20that.
07:22I mean,
07:22that's kind of like
07:22the other thing where,
07:23you know,
07:24you were talking about fans
07:25asking for the new album
07:26in your comments and shit.
07:27Yeah.
07:28And it's like,
07:29I'm grateful for that though.
07:30Yeah.
07:31But at the same time,
07:31it's like,
07:32yo,
07:32there's music right here.
07:33Yeah.
07:33I have so much,
07:34like my discography
07:35is over like a hundred songs.
07:37There's a lot of
07:38Steve Lacey stuff
07:39to get into.
07:39I understand though,
07:41the want for more still.
07:43Yeah.
07:43Do you still listen
07:44to Bad Habit
07:45on your own?
07:46Sometimes.
07:46It's a really good song.
07:48Yeah.
07:48Every now and then
07:49I'll go back
07:49and listen to like
07:50a full album.
07:52I listened to
07:52Gemini Rides
07:53the other day.
07:54Yeah.
07:55On the fly
07:56and I was like,
07:56damn this shit
07:57kind of hard.
07:58That's got to feel good
07:59though to like
07:59go back to something
08:00and be like,
08:00yeah, we did it.
08:01Yeah.
08:02I was like,
08:02this album is chill.
08:04I liked it.
08:05Was it annoying
08:06how big that song got?
08:08Did that ever make you
08:08feel like,
08:09all right, yo.
08:10It was cool.
08:11I mean,
08:11it was like
08:11kind of psychedelic
08:12in a way
08:12because I just,
08:14I didn't expect
08:15that.
08:16I didn't expect it.
08:17Really?
08:17Yeah.
08:18So when you're
08:18in the studio
08:19making that
08:19and you kind of
08:20get the playback
08:20of it,
08:21you're just like,
08:22oh, here goes
08:22another song.
08:23Yeah.
08:23I mean,
08:23I work in a very
08:25like body oriented
08:26way
08:27and it's based
08:29on a feeling.
08:30Yeah.
08:30So that song
08:31I was working on
08:32for like a while
08:33for a while
08:34was,
08:35it sounds good,
08:37but you know,
08:37there were elements
08:38that just needed
08:39to happen
08:40and I just waited.
08:41Yeah.
08:42And yeah,
08:44it just had,
08:45it just had
08:45variations and things
08:48that just got
08:48better and better.
08:49It's a slow process,
08:50but I'm not sure.
08:51I just,
08:52I'm sure about
08:54the feeling
08:54when I say,
08:55okay,
08:55it's done,
08:55but I don't think
08:57about how it's
08:58going to walk
08:59into the world
09:00and what it's
09:01going to be.
09:01I'm just like,
09:03this feels
09:04really good.
09:05I mean,
09:05how do you know
09:06it's done?
09:06You just,
09:07it's just like gut?
09:07Feel it.
09:08Damn.
09:09You feel it.
09:10Is everything
09:10so far that you've
09:11done been based
09:13around just kind of
09:13like how you feel?
09:14Yeah,
09:15completely.
09:19There's the videos
09:20of like,
09:21after Bad Habit
09:22and I guess
09:23it was like also
09:23like post-COVID
09:24and you were doing
09:25live shows.
09:25And the fans
09:26were being like
09:27aggressive,
09:29let's say.
09:30Yeah.
09:30What was that like?
09:32It was a culture shock
09:33for me
09:34because I was so used
09:37to being like niche,
09:39cool music nerd person
09:40from like internet shows
09:42to like my first solo shows
09:44were a very niche crowd.
09:47And so I was used to them
09:49and their demeanor
09:49toward music.
09:50And I think
09:51going on the road
09:53post-COVID
09:53and going viral
09:54at the same time,
09:55invited a lot of
09:57like rambunctious kids
09:58who are going to concerts
09:59for the first time.
10:00Yeah.
10:00So at first,
10:01you know,
10:02my body rejected it
10:03and then I think
10:04by the end of the road
10:05I was so happy
10:06with their rambunctiousness
10:07because I'm like,
10:08this is their first show.
10:10Like I'm showing them
10:11how to be at a concert.
10:12So I want to embrace
10:14that energy myself.
10:15At first it was tough
10:16and then it got
10:17like really fun
10:18and I'm like,
10:19I took on their energy
10:20and I'm like,
10:21I'm going to have it too.
10:22Like, let's go.
10:22Yeah.
10:23You know?
10:23I have to ask you
10:24because I have you here.
10:27Drake calling you
10:27a fragile op.
10:28How did you feel about that?
10:30I thought it was so awesome.
10:32I love Drake.
10:36This guy's like a fragile op
10:38but it's a good song though.
10:40I grew up listening
10:40to Drake and shit,
10:41you know?
10:42Well, also the phrasing
10:42is just perfect.
10:43Fragile op.
10:44I was like,
10:45this is so beautiful.
10:47Like, yes.
10:48I didn't know what it meant.
10:49No one knew what it meant.
10:50I feel like it's like,
10:51it almost sounds like
10:52I don't dislike this person
10:54but I feel like
10:54I have to dislike this person now.
10:56I thought it was really sweet.
10:57Oh.
10:58Like, I got dinner that night
11:00and I was like,
11:01well,
11:02and people were texting me
11:03fragile op
11:04but I was like,
11:05I don't know
11:06what the fuck
11:06people are talking about.
11:08And then,
11:09uh,
11:09Fouché sent me,
11:10uh,
11:12a link
11:12and it was the video
11:14and I was like,
11:14whoa!
11:16I was so excited.
11:17Well, for one,
11:18because in that same,
11:19in that same moment,
11:19he's like,
11:20the song is a hit.
11:21Right?
11:23I fucked with it.
11:24It was cool.
11:25Did you have any fragile ops?
11:27No.
11:28I think everyone's
11:29doing their thing, man.
11:31We all trying to figure out
11:32humanity together.
11:33Yeah.
11:34Being alive is weird, so.
11:36Facts.
11:37You know?
11:37We gotta embrace each other.
11:39I guess that stemmed from you
11:41being at the pop-out,
11:42which,
11:42what was the pop-out like?
11:43That must have been fun.
11:44That was also fucking beautiful.
11:45Yeah.
11:46That was so beautiful
11:47and profound
11:48because I think,
11:51you know,
11:51when you're in Compton,
11:52you only see, like,
11:53one type of music
11:54being blasted,
11:55you know?
11:56So,
11:57I never expected
11:58what I was doing
11:59to be respected
12:00or a part of the conversation
12:02of what Compton is.
12:03Yeah.
12:04So,
12:04to be there
12:05and to feel that love
12:06and to be amongst
12:07other artists from Compton
12:08that's doing the thing
12:09that Compton is, too,
12:10was very, very special
12:12and it's a day
12:14that I'll never forget.
12:15And, I mean,
12:16your work with Kendrick,
12:17I mean,
12:17you made,
12:17I think,
12:18one of his best songs,
12:19honestly.
12:19Yo,
12:20I just saw that
12:20that song hit a billion
12:21and that's insane to me.
12:24What was that?
12:24I thought it was just
12:25like a cool album cut,
12:26you know?
12:27Yeah,
12:27but I feel like
12:28that was the moment, too,
12:28where, like,
12:29even Kendrick, like,
12:30because, you know,
12:31he gets in that jazz
12:32sort of, like,
12:33melodic bag
12:33and I feel like
12:34you really brought it
12:35out in that one.
12:37Wild.
12:39Wild.
12:39Do you remember
12:40the sessions for that one?
12:41Yeah.
12:42So exciting,
12:45but I kept it very cool.
12:47I was super young.
12:49I was with DJ Dahi.
12:51Yeah.
12:51We were making beats together.
12:53We met through Ezra
12:54from Vampire Weekend.
12:55Okay, word.
12:56So Dahi and I
12:57had, like,
12:57a working relationship
12:58and we just made beats.
12:59I just go over
13:00and he was like,
13:02man,
13:03I got to get you
13:03on this Kendrick shit.
13:05And, you know,
13:05I'm going,
13:08it goes in one ear
13:09and out the other
13:09because I'm like,
13:10whatever.
13:12But he really meant
13:13that shit.
13:14And,
13:15yeah,
13:16so I go to the studio
13:17with him
13:18and Kendrick's,
13:20Kendrick's there.
13:20It's like a bunch
13:21of his friends with him.
13:23And this is when I,
13:24I told you I used to
13:25come to the studio
13:25with a backpack
13:26and a bass and a guitar.
13:27Yeah, yeah, yeah.
13:28So I come in,
13:28I got all this shit on me
13:29and Kendrick's like,
13:33he said,
13:34I seen your face
13:35in some music videos.
13:36And I said,
13:37hey, yours too, man.
13:39And then he laughed.
13:40That's funny.
13:41And I think I broke
13:42the ice kind of good.
13:44And then we were jamming
13:45on some beats
13:46with Dahi.
13:47And then I remember
13:49there was a moment
13:52where it was just like,
13:54Dot,
13:55I think Brock Marciano
13:57was there.
13:57And then it was
13:58a blank moment.
13:59It was really quiet
14:00and I like,
14:02and very kind of quietly
14:03but loud enough
14:04to hear me.
14:06Can I play you some shit?
14:08Can I play you some shit?
14:10You know?
14:10He's like, yeah.
14:11So I played him
14:13some demos
14:14from Steve Lacey's demos.
14:17Yeah, he fucked with it.
14:18Yeah.
14:19And so I gave him,
14:20I gave it to him
14:21and then that was kind of it.
14:25And then we text,
14:26we would text sometimes
14:27and he'd be like,
14:28yes, it's still
14:29on there.
14:30It's still on there.
14:31And then I was like,
14:31okay, cool.
14:32But I still didn't believe it.
14:33I was still like,
14:34it's probably not gonna happen.
14:36Yeah.
14:37And then I remember
14:38my first time
14:39being in London,
14:40I was about to go to sleep.
14:41The track listen came out,
14:43like it like leaked
14:44and my name was
14:45in the credits.
14:46Oh, shit.
14:46And I remember shaking,
14:48like wanting to cry,
14:49like I can't sleep.
14:50I'm so overwhelmed
14:51with the emotion.
14:52And then I think
14:53the next day or two
14:55it came out
14:55and I'm in London
14:56for the first time
14:57and it was like
14:58a large electronic billboard
15:00and I'm walking back
15:01to my hotel,
15:02listening to the track.
15:03I listened to the album.
15:04Yeah.
15:04And then by the time
15:05I got back to my hotel,
15:08like Pride was playing
15:09and like it was
15:10a damn billboard
15:11right here.
15:12And I was like
15:13just boo-hoo crying
15:14like with this iced coffee
15:16from Starbucks.
15:17Like before I started
15:18drinking good coffee too,
15:19so early fame.
15:23But it was awesome.
15:24I was like,
15:25what is my life?
15:27How old were you
15:28at that point?
15:29I just graduated.
15:30So that was like,
15:31I think I was 18 or 19.
15:33Some other shit
15:34from your like teenage years.
15:35I read that
15:36the Smithsonian
15:37has the other,
15:39is it the iPhone?
15:40Yeah.
15:41That you used to make
15:42one of your first demos?
15:43Yeah.
15:43What was that?
15:44Like you went to the ceremony
15:45and everything?
15:46Like what was that?
15:46Yeah, I brought
15:47my whole family out
15:49it was so wild
15:50how the timing
15:52had just like
15:52naturally aligned
15:53from that
15:54because they had
15:55collected the iPhone
15:56like shortly after
15:58we made the demos.
15:59Like they were very early.
16:01They just fucked
16:02with the music like that
16:02or what?
16:03Yeah, yeah, yeah.
16:04When that whole thing
16:05happened with everything
16:06else that was happening
16:07it was like
16:07what more can I ask for?
16:10So yeah,
16:12I flew my whole family
16:13out to D.C.
16:14and we went to
16:14the opening together.
16:15Was somebody
16:16at the Smithsonian
16:17just like this iPhone
16:18is going to be
16:19important.
16:19I don't know.
16:20That's so crazy.
16:21Dave was in touch
16:21with them people.
16:23So that was cool.
16:30What are you most
16:30excited about
16:31putting this new record out?
16:34I'm excited to play live.
16:35I just can't wait
16:36to play these songs live.
16:38And you're also saying
16:38that you bought a guitar
16:39in Paris.
16:41I did.
16:41That made you feel like
16:42or what do you think
16:43is like you fell in love
16:44with guitar again?
16:45Yeah.
16:46I feel like a kid again,
16:47you know,
16:48like when I first
16:49would go to Guitar Center
16:51and like just look around
16:53my dream in life,
16:56you know,
16:56I remember someone
16:57asked me this.
16:59My godmother Tiffany
16:59asked me like,
17:00what did I want to do?
17:02You know,
17:03what did I want to be?
17:03And I said,
17:04I just wanted
17:05to play the guitar.
17:07That's it.
17:07That was it.
17:08I just wanted
17:09to play the guitar.
17:10Because when I was 10,
17:10I was obsessed
17:11with the instrument.
17:12I wanted to touch it.
17:14I wanted to be around it.
17:15I wanted to hear it,
17:16you know?
17:17So it kind of made me
17:18feel like that again.
17:19It reminded me like
17:20my roots of
17:21just loving the guitar.
17:24So I think,
17:24I think,
17:25like what I do,
17:27I kind of like
17:28made something,
17:30a certain thing,
17:32you know,
17:33that a lot of people
17:34kind of ran with.
17:35And so I think
17:38there was a time
17:39where I wanted
17:40to stop playing guitar
17:40because I'm like,
17:41I think we have
17:42enough of this going on.
17:44Wow.
17:46And then I got
17:47super into synthesizers.
17:50But no,
17:50it's making its way
17:51back now.
17:52Because I never
17:53want to be
17:53super predictable,
17:54you know?
17:55And like,
17:56if Steve Lacey's coming,
17:57we know it's going
17:58to be a cool drum beat
17:59with some jazzy-ass chords
18:01and a bass line
18:02and some cute lyrics.
18:03So I'm always trying
18:04to push myself harder.
18:06Like, I can do that,
18:07but I can also do this
18:08and this.
18:09And so I just like
18:10to push it.
18:11Yeah.
18:12You know?
18:12I mean,
18:13how did you get into
18:13guitar in the first place?
18:14So you were 10 years old
18:15when you kind of
18:16discovered the instrument?
18:18Yeah.
18:18I was playing Guitar Hero.
18:20Guitar Hero?
18:21Yeah.
18:21You are a class of 2016.
18:23That's right.
18:23Yeah.
18:23So you was at
18:24a very formative age.
18:26Yeah, I was playing
18:26Guitar Hero.
18:27And then this guy,
18:28Jairus Mosey,
18:30used to play at church.
18:31Oh.
18:32And so at the end
18:33of the service,
18:33they would just
18:34kind of, like, shred.
18:36And so I would just
18:36kind of sit there
18:37and watch him
18:38or, like,
18:39draw to the floor
18:40just, like,
18:42not moving.
18:43And he's just
18:44playing so cool.
18:46Eventually,
18:46I got some lessons
18:47from him.
18:48Oh, word.
18:48Yeah.
18:49I started like that.
18:51You grew up
18:51in the church?
18:52A little bit, yeah.
18:53Well,
18:54do you have any
18:55relationship to religion
18:56these days or what?
18:57A bit.
18:58I still,
18:58I feel like
19:00I've always believed
19:02in a higher
19:03power
19:04and God,
19:05I guess.
19:06You could call it that.
19:07Yeah.
19:07There's so many names
19:07for it.
19:08But, yeah.
19:10In short, yes.
19:12But I feel like
19:13this album
19:14has brought me back
19:16to faith
19:17in general.
19:18Really?
19:18Faith.
19:19Yeah.
19:19How so?
19:21Um,
19:22I don't know.
19:23I think we're kind of
19:24living in, like,
19:25a very faithless time.
19:27You know, like,
19:27so many things
19:28are about facts,
19:29you know?
19:31And there's a lot
19:32of things about
19:33being human
19:34that just aren't
19:34factual.
19:36You know,
19:36it's fully a belief.
19:37Like, I was,
19:38I've been thinking
19:39about the concept
19:40of, like,
19:41self-love, right?
19:43Self-love
19:44is,
19:45our love in general
19:46is a faith.
19:47Yeah.
19:48It's not,
19:48it's not a fact,
19:49you know?
19:50In this era
19:51that we're in,
19:51everything is, like,
19:52extreme opinions
19:53and so factual
19:54and there's no room
19:55for just things,
19:57letting things be,
19:58you know?
19:59So,
19:59I've been thinking
20:00a lot about faith
20:01and wanting to remind
20:02people to have faith
20:05in something,
20:05you know?
20:10Have you played
20:10any of the new music
20:11for your parents,
20:12for your mom?
20:13Yeah.
20:14I love playing shit
20:15for my mom.
20:16What does she think of it?
20:17She loves it.
20:18Yeah.
20:19I love her reaction
20:20to my things.
20:22Sometimes she'll give me
20:22some production notes.
20:23She's like,
20:24see, right here,
20:25you need a choir
20:26and then you need
20:27to bring in a saxophone.
20:29Remember so-and-so
20:30from the church?
20:30I can call him.
20:31And I'm like,
20:32all right,
20:33all right.
20:34That's funny.
20:35But I'm grateful for it.
20:36Yeah.
20:36But yeah,
20:37she'll give me
20:37some production notes
20:38and I'll be like,
20:39that's interesting.
20:40I'll think about it,
20:41you know?
20:41That's cool.
20:42But, no,
20:42it's awesome.
20:43Does your mom
20:43have a musical background?
20:45My whole family sings.
20:46Oh, really?
20:47Yeah.
20:47Wow.
20:48So I come from
20:48a family of singers.
20:50When did you start to sing?
20:51I don't know.
20:54When I started making music
20:55with the internet,
20:56I would do it on the low.
20:57I did everything secretly
20:59because I don't want
21:00anyone to tell me
21:01what I was going to do
21:02or be.
21:03So I hid it until
21:04it was a pathway
21:06for it to happen.
21:07Yeah.
21:08And then I'm like,
21:09hey, I can do this.
21:10Is the internet
21:11getting back together?
21:12We never got,
21:13we never got out of it.
21:15Someone's a new album coming.
21:17Still working on it.
21:19Well, we never broke up.
21:21Right, right.
21:21Yeah.
21:22But I guess, yeah,
21:23we're making some music now.
21:26Oh, really?
21:26So I'm working on this,
21:27the internet stuff,
21:29other shit.
21:30A question I asked you earlier
21:31that was interesting,
21:32you know,
21:32you don't see yourself
21:33as a celebrity
21:34or you don't feel
21:34like a celebrity.
21:35Why do you think that is?
21:38Because my family
21:39treats me normal.
21:41Right, it's really good, yeah.
21:42And all my friends, too.
21:44You know?
21:45I mean, obviously,
21:46I'm aware sometimes,
21:48but for the most part,
21:50I walk around by myself a lot.
21:53It's calm.
21:54I don't know.
21:55I don't have, like,
21:56a huge security guard
21:56with me or entourage.
21:58No security anywhere.
21:59I wear big jewelry
22:00and clothes.
22:01Like, I blend.
22:03What is the, like,
22:04one celebrity thing
22:06you have, like,
22:07done
22:07or, like,
22:08bought or whatever?
22:09I do celebrity shit.
22:11What's the celebrity shit
22:12you're doing?
22:12I'm not a celebrity.
22:15I don't know.
22:16Probably my shopping habit
22:16is probably celebrity life.
22:18Are you a partier?
22:19Do you go out?
22:20I like to go out.
22:22What kind of punk do you be out?
22:23I'm kind of a real freak, though.
22:24What does that mean?
22:25I kind of hate
22:26everything about going out.
22:28I want to do everything.
22:30Like, I think the music
22:31can be like this.
22:32I think there should be
22:32some food there.
22:34I think it needs to be balanced.
22:36I think it shouldn't be
22:37too many types of people there.
22:39It's got to be a good mix.
22:40A mix of everything.
22:41Yeah.
22:41Yeah.
22:42And I think those spaces
22:43are rare.
22:44It's true.
22:44I try to enjoy things,
22:46but a lot of things
22:47are imbalanced,
22:48in my opinion.
22:49Most places.
22:51When you go to a new city,
22:52what's the first thing
22:52you're going to do?
22:53Find the best coffee spot.
22:55Really?
22:56Yeah.
22:56How do you find it?
22:58Just walk.
22:59I go on Google.
23:00That's what gets me
23:00to go walk.
23:01Yeah.
23:01I go find a coffee.
23:03You're a big coffee drinker?
23:05A little bit.
23:07But back home,
23:07I don't drink coffee.
23:08Back home,
23:08I drink matcha.
23:10Is that like,
23:10have you always been
23:11a matcha drinker,
23:12or are you on the like?
23:13No, I always like matcha.
23:14Because you know
23:15it's like a trend now.
23:15I know, I know.
23:16It's good and crazy.
23:17I love it.
23:18Are you on TikTok?
23:19You've got to be on TikTok.
23:20Yeah.
23:20So you basically run TikTok.
23:21I remember when we were
23:23about to promote
23:23Gemini Rites,
23:24the label where like
23:25TikTok this,
23:27TikTok that,
23:28and I was super resistant.
23:31Like,
23:31hell no,
23:32y'all not about to
23:32make me like that.
23:34And da-da-da-da-da.
23:35But that's the thing
23:36about me.
23:37If I get a suggestion,
23:38I might fight you
23:39at first.
23:41Mm-hmm.
23:42But when I'm by myself,
23:43I'm going to think about it.
23:45I mean, that's good.
23:46Yeah,
23:46I think about it
23:47and then I'm like,
23:48why am I being like this?
23:50Yeah.
23:50And then I'll try it.
23:55Well,
23:55all right.
23:56I feel like this was really fun.
23:57We got to see
23:58the whole of Paris.
23:59I know.
24:00I feel like
24:01I didn't use,
24:02I didn't get to use
24:02my sexy interview voice
24:04because we had to speak so loud.
24:05So I hope my voice
24:06doesn't sound annoying in it.
24:08All right, bro.
24:08Yo.
24:09Good seeing you.
24:10Yeah.
24:13In the background,
24:13can you guys play like
24:14Rick Ross?
24:16What Rick Ross song
24:17will we play?
24:18I'll probably play
24:19like Maybach music.
24:20Like,
24:20driving down a freeway.
24:22No, he's sick.
24:22It's me and my baby.
24:24Yeah,
24:24all right.
24:26What's,
24:27what's,
24:27I'm trying,
24:27I can't remember
24:28Rick Ross's ad look.
24:29Oh.
24:31I love Rick Ross.
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