The Beechgrove Garden 2025 episode 20

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00:00Hello and welcome to this week's Beechgrove Garden.

00:17So we're here in the main veg blot where we've been harvesting loads of lettuces,

00:21so it's the perfect time to get green manure down in its place.

00:24Yeah, we don't want to ever leave any bare soil

00:27because that's just going to become a seed bed for weeds,

00:30so these green manures, they're quick-growing crops.

00:33Once the foliage is lush and green as well, we can dig it into the soil

00:36and that's going to feed it for the crops next year as well.

00:39Anything to keep the weeds at bay. I know.

00:41Here's what's coming up in the rest of the programme.

00:46The do's and don'ts of hedge cutting,

00:50collecting nature's free seed supply,

00:54and from Chelsea to Cumbernauld, we visit a garden with a new home.

01:01Well, before all that roof, we're back in the trials bed area.

01:05The last time we were in here was June and we were sowing some biennials

01:08and they're starting to look quite good.

01:09I think they're looking great.

01:10So biennials, these are seeds that we've sown this year

01:13that are going to flower next year as opposed to annuals

01:15which would have already flowered this year.

01:17So let's see how they're doing.

01:19So we've had about eight different varieties that we've sown here.

01:22We've got some wallflowers, honesty, forget-me-nots.

01:26We started off by sowing some single rows

01:29and then we've sown a second section of them.

01:32Now, as you can see, we've actually got germination of quite a lot at the top.

01:37We've got a wee gap in the middle but the wallflowers, except they're down at the bottom here,

01:41they seem to be doing better.

01:42I think these are doing better than those.

01:44Yeah, I know. I don't know.

01:45Just one of those things.

01:46I think they'll be on a bit of a slope.

01:48These are maybe getting a wee bit of more moisture and they're growing on.

01:51But really, this is about eight weeks on since we've sown them

01:54and this is the time where you want to transplant them

01:57into their final flowering spot for next year.

02:00So, out with the hand trowels.

02:02And it's just like pricking out in the glasshouse.

02:04You just want to very carefully get underneath, not damage any roots.

02:14Again, I could maybe tease them apart here.

02:17And that would make a nice wee clump for the garden.

02:19Mm-hmm.

02:20What you do want to have is a wee pot, a wee bit of compost,

02:25just so you can get them to a new home safely.

02:29Yeah, because we would have wanted to water these last night

02:33before we're transplanting them today,

02:35but we want to just make sure that they're not going to dry out.

02:38So, putting them in a wee bit of compost will just help getting them

02:40to their final location.

02:42Yeah.

02:43Now, unfortunately, as George and Callan were talking about last week,

02:46we've got club root in this area,

02:48so we don't want to risk spreading club root to any other part of the garden,

02:51so we're not going to move these plants.

02:53However, the garden's seem to make a wee display here,

02:55so we'll still be able to see how well they do next year.

02:57Yeah.

02:58I think it'll be great.

03:00I love a good hedge.

03:05They're brilliant at creating a wee boundary between you

03:07and your next door neighbour's garden,

03:09giving you a wee bit of privacy.

03:10You've got nosy gardeners like myself.

03:12When I'm walking through the streets,

03:13I like having a wee peek in folks' gardens.

03:14That stops me from doing that.

03:15And then, within your own garden,

03:16you can help you create little garden rooms.

03:18And then, on a windy day like this,

03:19I think it's a brilliant example

03:20of why this is a brilliant example.

03:21I think it's a brilliant example

03:22of why this is a brilliant example.

03:23I think it's a brilliant example

03:24of why this is a good hedge.

03:25when the wind comes in

03:26and it's buffering the day like a hoolie,

03:27it absolutely hits the wall,

03:28but it's still got somewhere to go.

03:29So, it only deflects it up over the wall,

03:30it can actually start to see that.

03:31I know that like myself.

03:32I know that like myself,

03:33when I'm walking through the streets,

03:34when I'm walking through the streets,

03:35I like having a wee peek in folks' gardens.

03:37That stops me from doing that.

03:39And then, within your own garden,

03:40you can help you create little garden rooms.

03:42And then, on a windy day like this,

03:43I think it's a brilliant example

03:45of why these are far better than a wall or a fence.

03:48When the wind comes in

03:50and it's buffering the day like a hoolie,

03:52it absolutely hits the wall,

03:54it can actually still damage the plants that you're trying to protect.

03:58When there's a hedge, it kind of acts as a natural buffer.

04:02The wind still comes in, but it's filtering it.

04:04It's slowing the speed down.

04:07It's still getting through there.

04:08You can still see the plants swaying on the other side,

04:11but it's giving that much better protection.

04:14And, of course, this is so much easier and cheaper to maintain

04:17than a wall or a fence.

04:19Now, this is the best time of year to get going with your hedge cutting.

04:22There's a couple of reasons for that.

04:24We've pretty much got all our growth for this season.

04:27And now that we're at that mid-August point,

04:30we're getting towards the end of the bird nesting season.

04:33Now, of course, birds don't read books,

04:36so it's still a good idea to go over the whole of your hedge

04:39and just make sure there aren't any nesting birds there

04:41because we don't want to disturb them.

04:43And, of course, it is an offence as well to disturb them.

04:47Once you get going after that, we're pretty much good to go.

04:50Have a wee look around the site

04:52that you're going to be cutting your hedge.

04:54Make sure there aren't any trip hazards.

04:57I know when I get going cutting hedges,

04:59I'm going to be fully concentrated,

05:01make sure it's lovely, flat and smooth.

05:03I'm not going to be paying attention to my feet.

05:05And the last thing I want to do is to fall over

05:07and have a wee accident.

05:08There's a lot of good machines out there these days.

05:13This is a petrol machine.

05:15If you are using an electric hedge cutter,

05:17then make sure the cord is over your shoulder,

05:20that it's out the way.

05:22And where it's connected to the socket on the wall,

05:25use one of those circuit breakers.

05:26So if you do accidentally nick the cord,

05:28then it's going to cut out the power

05:29and hopefully save you a nasty injury.

05:33And then after that,

05:34you'll notice I was wearing a lot of protective clothing there

05:36when I was doing my hedge cutting.

05:38So these are great machines, but they are noisy.

05:41So you can see, you'll always have the wee symbols

05:44of what the best PPE for you to wear is.

05:47So this says that I'm needing ear defenders

05:50and also goggles to protect my eyes.

05:53Now this hedge isn't too bad,

05:54but if you're cutting the lengths of a hornbeam

05:57or a beach hedge,

05:58sometimes you can get those woody bits

05:59come flying off at you and they do hit your face.

06:02So it's always good to wear the correct PPE.

06:04After you're prepared, then you're good to go.

06:08The way I like to start is I like to start from the bottom

06:11and work my way up to the top

06:13and you're kind of going in an arced motion.

06:17And you can see I'm only getting up to about here.

06:20I've left the last 20 centimetres or so,

06:22which does seem a wee bit of footery.

06:25But this is the most natural place

06:26that I can come and use the machine safely.

06:29I have a tendency to flip the blade like this.

06:33Now, that's just asking for trouble.

06:35It's heading towards my face

06:36and that helmet's only going to do so much protection for me.

06:40But also, if I go any higher than that,

06:42then I'm going to give my shoulders a wee bit of harm as well.

06:45So the best thing to do is to get yourself a sturdy ladder.

06:49And when you're up that sturdy ladder,

06:51a couple of steps is all that's going to be needed.

06:53I'll be able to get that last wee bit of the top

06:55and then, more importantly, cut the top of the hedge properly.

06:59Now, I like to think I'm quite lucky.

07:00I've got a good eye and I can cut the top of my hedges pretty good.

07:04I'm always taking a step back.

07:05I'm always having a look just to make sure that I'm doing a good job.

07:09But if you're not so sure,

07:11don't be afraid to get a couple of canes,

07:13maybe space them about five metres or so,

07:15and get a string line that runs along the top of them.

07:19Then when you're up there with a ladder,

07:21all you've got to do is just run the blade over the top of the string

07:25and then that will give you that lovely flat top.

07:29And then the last thing we want to consider is the shape of our hedge.

07:32Now, the vast majority of hedges go straight up and straight down.

07:36And the correct way to do it is actually in the shape of an A,

07:39which you can see from this bamboo frame that we've got here.

07:43Now, the reason we want to do that is

07:45we actually want a hedge that's full of lovely, dense foliage from top to toe.

07:50But sometimes the top will cast a wee bit of shade over the bottom

07:56and you'll end up with a few holes.

07:58So the fact that it's cut in this sort of tampered shape,

08:01the fact that it's sticking out the bottom,

08:03that means it's going to get light all over the surface area of our hedge.

08:08Well, I've got quite a bit of hedge cutting to do here,

08:12but for now you guys are going to head off to Dunn's

08:14to look at a wee garden in the Scottish border.

08:17So we're in the perennial garden now.

08:35Can you remember what it was like when we first came?

08:38Absolutely. It was trees.

08:39We had basically like an orchard here.

08:41And now it's been completely cleared and planted up as a perennial flower bed.

08:47So we've planted all the flowers in the perennial bed very close together.

08:51And the reasons for that primarily are to protect the flowers from the wind.

08:57And it effectively creates a microclimate for the flowers.

09:00They're protecting themselves.

09:01It also makes weeding a lot easier because the more they become established,

09:05the less weeding there is to do.

09:07We're only about 11 miles out of Dunn's,

09:10but it's two or three degrees colder up here.

09:15But we can increase that in certain parts of the garden,

09:18like using the closed planting,

09:20which can raise the temperature by one or two degrees,

09:22which makes a huge difference as far as we're concerned.

09:25Yeah, because quite often we have snow up here.

09:27And even if you just look around down the valleys,

09:32there's no snow at all.

09:33So we are really much cooler up here.

09:45So this is our annual cutting garden.

09:48And most of the plants here are actually direct sown.

09:50So the seed is put straight into the ground

09:53rather than being sown in a pot

09:55and then transplanting a seedling afterwards.

09:58What we found is that the timing of the planting,

10:01of the seed planting, is crucial.

10:03And if we do it too early, they don't germinate very well.

10:06And we get them a little bit later on,

10:09they come through very strong.

10:11So once we've got that sorted,

10:13we found that we can grow a very good crop of annuals as a result.

10:17So we tend to sow actually quite early.

10:19So usually the couple of weeks after the March equinox.

10:24It's quite cold out here at that time of year.

10:27It's about 7 degrees C.

10:29But we actually find that we get better germination

10:31and better plants if we actually plant that early.

10:35Remember that most of these plants are hardy annuals,

10:37so they can actually survive a few degrees of frost.

10:41This is my favourite part of the garden.

10:51We sowed an annual cornfield mix here.

10:54So this is not a meadow.

10:56These are the weeds that you would have found in a cornfield

10:59before the advent of the use of pesticides.

11:02And they're such a bright colour and they are full of insects.

11:06So we've got the dark blue classic cornflower.

11:10We've got bright yellow corn marigold.

11:14We've got the white daisy-like flower.

11:17That's corn chamomile.

11:20And of course, the classic red poppy.

11:22We've got all these flowers for just £20,

11:25about seven packets of seeds.

11:27And at the end of the season,

11:29I'll be able to collect the seeds

11:30and re-sow them next year.

11:33So here's our next cut flower.

11:41It's crocosmia.

11:41It grows very well up here.

11:43We get lots of flowers from it.

11:45And it's got a lovely arching stem here

11:47and a really bright, vivid colour.

11:49So I'm cutting these agapanthas.

11:56They're flowering really well just now.

11:58And once I've cut them,

12:00we have a...

12:01We can see the nice straight stem there.

12:04And the ones that I don't cut,

12:06well, these can be left on the plant

12:09and they will form really nice seed heads

12:12that we can use later in the year.

12:14This is a plant that makes really good cut flowers

12:18and very unusual too.

12:20Centuria macrocephalia.

12:22So it's a kind of cornflower.

12:24The macrocephalia means a big head.

12:27So it's got a really good description.

12:29We've staked it a bit here

12:30because of course we're on such a windy site

12:32and that helps to keep the stems growing upright.

12:35But it's amazing what you can grow up here,

12:38700 feet up in the Scottish borders.

12:40It's already reaching a height of one and a half metres.

12:44The best time to cut flowers is early in the morning

12:46when it's still cool.

12:55So once we've snipped our flowers,

12:57we need to strip them.

12:58We need to take off all these leaves

13:01that are growing out from the stem.

13:03Sometimes you can just use your thumb and forefinger

13:05to pull them off.

13:07And the reason is that we need to keep

13:09the head of the flower so the bloom really moist.

13:13And if we leave all the leaves on,

13:14then it's losing water from the leaves.

13:17So the next thing to do is to plunge our flower

13:19into a bucket of fresh cold water.

13:22So we dip it in like so.

13:24And we do the same thing with the Crocosmia.

13:26So I'm going to take off these leaves.

13:28Like so.

13:32And then again, pop it into the water.

13:34And finally, these are agapanthus.

13:37They don't have any side shoots or any leaves growing

13:40from the main stem.

13:41So we can put those straight into the water.

13:43So the technique is snip, strip, and dip.

13:49And that way you keep the blooms really hydrated

13:51and the flowers are all ready for making into a bouquet

13:54or another kind of arrangement.

13:56Growing your own cut flowers is a great way

13:58to appreciate the seasonality of your garden.

14:01And basically, you're bringing the outside in.

14:03We have had a pretty decent summer so far.

14:18We've had lots of sunshine.

14:19And with that, we have had some beautiful blooms

14:22for months now.

14:23And the great thing is they are starting to produce seed heads

14:27that we can collect and store.

14:29So this is a fantastic way of being a little bit more sustainable

14:33getting seeds for free from nature.

14:36But we do need to have a look at a couple of things

14:38before we can store them.

14:40So the first thing is just looking at whether or not

14:44the seed heads are ready to collect.

14:46So you can see that these ones here, they are still green.

14:50They haven't quite opened yet either.

14:52And they're still quite fleshy.

14:55Whereas these ones and these ones here,

14:58you can see that they are brown, they're rustling,

15:01and they have opened.

15:02And you can actually see all of the seeds inside them as well.

15:06So timing really is everything.

15:08We want to make sure that we're collecting them for storage

15:11before nature does its thing and the seeds naturally disperse.

15:16But we don't want to harvest them too soon

15:17because they just won't be quite viable just yet.

15:20So I'm just going to take about half of this stem here

15:24because I want to leave plenty of seed heads for birds and other wildlife

15:30because it's a vital food source into autumn and overwinter.

15:33Now I'm going to show you how to store them.

15:35Now I am adding my delphiniums to this fantastic collection of seed heads

15:47that I've been gathering up from around the garden.

15:50And it just goes to show how many plants you can do this process with.

15:54We've got angelicas, astrantias, we've got poppies here, salvias, mechanopsis.

16:00The list goes on and on and on.

16:02So do just be looking around the garden and seeing what is there.

16:06Now for storing seed, there is a few things that we just need to make sure that we're doing.

16:10So the first thing's first is we're going to have to use a paper bag, not plastic.

16:16That's because your seeds, when you put them in the bag,

16:18they will still have some moisture in that we don't want to encourage any moulds

16:22or for them to rot, which they would do in plastic.

16:25Whereas with paper, it'll just absorb all that up.

16:28So that's why that's important.

16:30And it is a really simple process.

16:32What we're going to do is just take our seed heads that we've collected

16:36and we're just going to give them a bit of a shake.

16:41Now, when you shake them, if they haven't started to come out yet,

16:45don't worry, it just means that they're not quite dry enough.

16:48So either keep them in a vase and enjoy them,

16:50or you can leave them in the bag just like this,

16:53somewhere nice and sunny and dry, and they will start to dry out.

16:56And every couple of days, just give them a bit of a shake

16:58and hopefully you'll see them coming down.

17:01Now these ones were ready and there are loads of seeds in this bag here,

17:05which hopefully you can see absolutely hundreds of them.

17:09So what we're going to do next with these is just keep them somewhere warm

17:14just so that any excess moisture in the seeds does start to come out.

17:18And once that process is done, in about a week to 10 days,

17:22then we can store these somewhere cooler,

17:24either in a dark, cold cupboard or in the fridge even,

17:28and they will then be ready to sow next year.

17:30Just remember to label your bags as well,

17:33just so you know what's in them and when you collected them.

17:36Now there's one other thing just to have in mind,

17:40and that is that some plants, particularly perennials,

17:44might need a little bit of an extra help to be able to germinate.

17:47And in horticulture, we call this process stratification.

17:51Stratification is the process by which we're mimicking nature,

17:55where it is damp and it is cold.

17:58So we're just thinking about the soil

18:00and we're just going to mimic that so we can then control it.

18:04Lots of different plants require stratification,

18:07so just have a bit of a look, maybe online or in books,

18:10and you'll find out which ones do.

18:12Lupines, though, are a fantastic example.

18:15So lupines, we can take our seed pods and crack them open,

18:18and from there, we're going to get lots of quite big seeds that come out.

18:25Now, these need stratification because they have very hard seed coats

18:29and the cool and the moist environment that we're going to put them in

18:34essentially just breaks that seed coat down

18:37and that is why they will then be ready in springtime to start to germinate.

18:42So to do this, we can either use just a wet paper towel

18:45and keep them in that and keep that nice and moist,

18:48and put it in a bag and store that in the fridge

18:51or another little trick would be to use a little tray of sand like this one here

18:56and essentially all we're going to do is just sow the seeds into the sand

19:01and just like this, and we can just move them around,

19:06push them in just to keep them nice and moist.

19:11They will then, just the tray, go directly into the bag.

19:16Labeled today's date.

19:18With that, we'll just go in the fridge nice and easy

19:21and in about 4 to 12 weeks, they will be ready to come out

19:25and next springtime we can then sow them.

19:27So just have a look online and do a little bit of research

19:30and see which ones are needing stratification.

19:34Time now to visit a garden that was designed for the Chelsea Flower Show

19:37that is taking root in Cumbernauld.

19:39This year, a garden was created for the world-famous RHS event

19:46that was designed specifically to encourage a positive and open view of Down's syndrome.

19:52It was also a place to play and for all those reasons came away from the show a prize winner.

19:58As well as awards, the garden now has a legacy

20:02and is in the process of being transplanted to a corner of Palisraig Park in Cumbernauld,

20:08where many will continue to flourish in the space.

20:11I think we're very lucky that Down's syndrome Scotland gave us a fantastic and very, very clear, concise brief.

20:20They wanted the garden to be about celebrating Down's syndrome and challenging prejudice.

20:25That's it, almost.

20:26So my name is Eddie McConnell and I'm Chief Executive of Down's syndrome Scotland

20:31and today I'm joined by my son.

20:34Yeah.

20:35And my son's name is?

20:36The F.

20:38Finlay.

20:38Good call it.

20:39So my son is Finlay.

20:42So when I first got the email from Duncan, one of our two amazing garden designers,

20:49I probably thought he was offering me six plants for the office.

20:53I didn't realise we were going to end up at the Chelsea Flower Show.

20:56We have a very important expression in our charity.

21:00We say nothing about us without us.

21:03So it was really important that our community were involved in every aspect.

21:07The planning, the design, the execution, the build of the garden

21:10and bringing the garden home here.

21:16My nephew Liam has Down's syndrome and that's the inspiration for creating this garden.

21:24And I think the project became sort of more emotionally charged the more we did it.

21:29And I think part of that for me personally was also learning about more about the challenges

21:34that people with Down's syndrome face and the families with people with Down's syndrome face.

21:38And so I became more aware of the challenges that Liam would face as he grows up.

21:43It just felt like the momentum that the project kind of gained was really sort of emotional and quite important to both of us.

21:53Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

21:55What we tried to do was create a garden that initially looks beautiful and draws people in.

22:01It was very colourful.

22:02People seemed to respond to that.

22:03It felt successful during the show week because we had lots of good interactions with people.

22:08A volunteer on the garden, even a non-gardening volunteer, would be able to turn any question about a plant,

22:15a bit of paving, a bit of the building, into a conversation about Down's syndrome.

22:19So we tried to create a platform for Down's syndrome Scotland to raise awareness

22:23and also sort of break down barriers as they were speaking to people.

22:26And it was really heartwarming just to hear these discussions just going on and people, you know,

22:33can you tell me about this plant?

22:34And someone would say, well, that's a such and such, but it's in this colourful bit of planting.

22:39And the reason that it's there is because we're celebrating the joy and playfulness of people with Down's syndrome.

22:44And then all of a sudden people were talking about Down's syndrome rather than our garden.

22:48And I think that was just an incredible thing to witness, I think.

22:51Yeah, and we always have really good fun.

22:52This is an amazing place, yeah.

22:54You think that plant looks like Finley?

22:56Yeah, yeah.

22:57Well, this one.

22:58Let's come up with a plant for you.

23:01I do, I do.

23:02You do what?

23:03You do.

23:03I think you're probably like a candelabra.

23:06You said it.

23:09It's been like, wow, wow.

23:11So this is our wonderful garden building that we had designed.

23:15It's made from Scottish larch grown in Fife.

23:18And the brief that we gave to the designers was that we wanted a building that felt like an embrace.

23:25And it's been nicknamed the hug and symbolizes empathy and affection that people with Down's syndrome have in abundance.

23:34It became a really important building during the show week.

23:38It was a place where we could get away from the crowd, shelter from the sun, the rain, the wind.

23:45It was a media center at some point.

23:47And we've also got our silver gilt medal that we won.

23:51And most excitingly, we were awarded People's Choice for a small show garden category, which was a really lovely surprise.

23:59And really made the whole process really special.

24:07We created this path that's intersected by this water pool.

24:11And it looks like a barrier to progress.

24:14But in fact, there's a submerged walkway underneath so you can walk across.

24:18And this shows that barriers can be overcome.

24:22And with a bit of help and support from society and a change in views, people with Down's syndrome can overcome barriers that they face.

24:28We want to celebrate our community.

24:38Yeah.

24:39And their superpowers.

24:40With the boss.

24:40Yeah.

24:41But we also want to let people know that they have a lot of potential that really needs to be fulfilled.

24:48And we want society to help us help them grow.

24:51So I really believe that gardens can be a place that people discover their qualities and discover hidden skills that they have.

24:57So this garden, I see that with our community quite often.

25:01You know, they come in here as quiet people.

25:04And then they just blossom like the garden.

25:06We want people to understand that every individual with Down's syndrome should be given the opportunity to explore their life,

25:13overcome some of the barriers with help and support, and to become people of immense, fulfilled potential.

25:19And that's what this garden allows you to explore and understand.

25:34Time now for this week's Handy Hints.

25:36I am here in the strawberry bed where we need a little bit of maintenance on our El Santas.

25:41They've finished fruiting.

25:43So now is the perfect time to get them ready to go into autumn and over winter as well.

25:48So what we're going to do is just take off any of the fruits that haven't come to anything.

25:53So taking our secateurs and just taking that right back down to the crown.

25:57And we're just going to take off any leaves that are starting to turn yellow, but the most important thing is just make sure that we are keeping our crown nice and healthy and not cutting too deep into that so that they will be perfect for next year.

26:13I'm getting quite close with my courgette plants at the moment because if I don't check them every day and pick a courgette when it's this size, when it's full of lovely flavour, as soon as I turn my back it's going to grow into a giant big tough skinned marrow and I don't want that.

26:29But while I have been up close looking at the plants, I have noticed one of the leaves has developed this sort of white powdery coating over the surface.

26:39And this is powdery mildew and it's what usually happens during these hot dry summers that we've been having.

26:45So by taking off a few leaves, I'm letting the air circulate a wee bit more through the plant and by giving it a drink during these dryer spells, then fingers crossed no more leaves will develop this.

26:59Well that's pretty much all we've got time for this week.

27:05It is, but before we go, we are in the vertical garden that we installed way back in springtime.

27:10Two different planting ideas that we've used, so we've got the purpose-built planter with its own watering system that has performed really well, particularly because it's been so dry.

27:19And then we've also got the DIY pallets which have needed a little bit more help to keep them going, but I think has done really well too.

27:27But it is late summer now, so everything's kind of past its best and needs a bit of a tidy up.

27:32I must admit, I prefer the DIY one, however, I can tell you what you can do with all this dead material.

27:38So if you come over here to my wee composter, this was one that we wanted to try specifically for a small space garden.

27:45So if we open it up, it's doing quite well.

27:48We can see everything's decomposing.

27:49The good thing about this is, it's actually buried a wee bit of the underground.

27:54So all the juices that are created, they're leaching out into the soil, feeding it.

27:58And actually, you can see what the lettuces are doing, they're looking pretty good.

28:00They certainly are.

28:01Definitely benefiting from it.

28:02Well, Kirsty's going to be joining me here at Beach Grove next week, and we're going to be in the Glass House,