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A Killer Among Friends (2025) Season 1 Episode 5- Secrets to Reveal
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00:00For lifelong friends, a girl's trip to Sin City is the perfect way to blow off steam.
00:12After all, what happens in Vegas is supposed to stay in Vegas.
00:21But when one girl doesn't make it home, her family's only chance at justice
00:27is for all of her secrets.
00:30To be revealed.
01:00I think I always knew we'd be lifelong friends.
01:02It's very traumatizing.
01:06It's heartbreaking.
01:09You would never expect that this would happen to your friend group, you know?
01:15It's like a little piece of our hearts is gone.
01:18And we'll never get that back.
01:20And we'll never get that back.
01:22And we'll never get that back.
01:26I met Michelle when we were in like fourth grade and I must have done something that upset her.
01:39And she was going to kick my butt one day after school and she's like, I'm going to meet you
01:58outside and I'm going to kick your butt.
02:01And then I told my sister and my sister threatened to kick her butt.
02:05And then the school found out and pulled us into the principal's office.
02:09And they were like, okay, you guys need to either be friends or your sister's going to go to jail.
02:15And I was like, no, for sure, we'll be friends.
02:19It was like best friends from the moment we became friends.
02:23And then Amanda introduced me to Alexis.
02:27And then from there, I introduced Michelle to them and we became very close.
02:35I think if you asked somebody about the four of us, they would tell you, oh, those girls are always just laughing or sitting on the bed with makeup spread out.
02:46We watched MTV back when it really was always music videos.
02:50We always listened to music.
02:51Back then you had big boomboxes in your room and you would listen to different CDs.
02:58Growing up in the 90s and early 2000s, we didn't have social media.
03:02So that was great.
03:05We actually went outside, went to the movies and went to the mall.
03:09We had boyfriends, you know, throughout high school, but nobody could just break our bond.
03:16You could just tell what best friends we were by just looking at us.
03:21Michelle was a strong one, the protector of the group.
03:25Vicky was adventurous yet reserved.
03:29Alexis was smart, also tough.
03:32Amanda is funny and so sweet.
03:35We just all complimented each other so well.
03:39We had no idea that everything was going to change.
03:42Once we graduated college, Michelle and I were just going to take the GMAT, which would allow us to apply to grad school.
03:59I remember feeling pretty sad after I took my test.
04:04I just had this feeling of dread and feeling a little lost in what to do next.
04:12Michelle was like, let's go celebrate.
04:14So Michelle was like, let's go celebrate.
04:16We just took a test.
04:17Like, let's go have fun.
04:18Her idea was to go, like, to Vegas to try to help me feel better.
04:25Vicky and Michelle came to my house before they were leaving to Las Vegas.
04:29I remember walking them out and giving them a hug and telling them, be safe, you know, love you guys, have fun, take care of each other and we'll see you guys when you get back.
04:39Our plan was, we were going to go shopping, we'd go to the pool, just have a good time.
04:47I remember we were blasting Beyonce and Mariah Carey.
04:52We were like singing in the car, going through the desert.
04:57It had just rained and it was beautiful.
05:00It was her mission to just get me out of the space I was in.
05:09It was 7 p.m. and I opened up the door and the West Covina Police Department was at my door and they said that they, not to be alarmed, but they asked, does Michelle Carson live here?
05:35Was she in Las Vegas?
05:36I said, yeah, she was in Las Vegas.
05:39They told me they found her car with the engine running and the doors open and the radio on, but nobody inside the car.
05:48At that point I started calling Michelle and there was no answer.
05:53I was just extremely worried, I was panicking to be honest with you.
05:59I remember my dad telling me over the phone that they found my sister's car in a bad area in Las Vegas.
06:06It's not like my sister just to leave her car and just leave, you know.
06:11The next thing I know, the officer said that they were going to send another police officer out and do a missing persons report.
06:19Then it just started escalating.
06:22Immediately I called my ex-wife Esther.
06:25My stomach just turned.
06:28We talked all the time.
06:29We talked all the time.
06:30And that week I had not talked to her.
06:32So I had text her and I told her I haven't heard from you.
06:38I said, how are you doing?
06:39What's going on?
06:40And then the next thing I know, John was calling me that they found her car.
06:45I didn't know what to feel.
06:47I was more in shock than anything.
06:49My sister told me that she was planning on going to Las Vegas with Vicky and she was going to be over there for a little bit.
06:56So that's when I began to question what's going on.
06:59I knew that she left with Vicky.
07:03So I called Vicky and she didn't answer.
07:06So then Kevin drove over to Vicky's house.
07:10When Kevin came to my house, he just had a look of concern on his face.
07:16He also looked mad.
07:18You know, where's my sister?
07:20And I was like, what do you mean?
07:21I don't know.
07:22Like, is she not home?
07:25He's like, weren't you with her?
07:26And I was like, we went.
07:27But I was like, then she stayed.
07:30I had to come back, but she wanted to stay.
07:33And then he's like, she's missing.
07:36They found her car.
07:37I was really surprised.
07:39That's when we found out that Vicky flew back early.
07:44She was no longer with Michelle.
07:50They asked me why I had to leave.
07:53And I remember wanting to explain what I had just experienced.
07:56But it was very dark.
08:01Had I been able to, like, think straight,
08:03I would have been able to tell her, come back with me.
08:10I regret not doing that.
08:12Hi.
08:13Hi.
08:14Good to see you.
08:15You too.
08:16How are you?
08:17I'm good.
08:18How are you?
08:19I'm good.
08:20How are you?
08:21Good.
08:22Feels like it was just yesterday that we were here walking the halls.
08:27It looks so different now, though.
08:28Not the same high school we went to.
08:30Being here just reminds me of just how important our friend group was.
08:34You know, you, Michelle, and Vicky.
08:36After high school, our lives just got more serious.
08:40We went to different colleges.
08:42I had my daughter at 22.
08:43And, you know, after my daughter was born,
08:45Michelle and Vicky would come over and Alexis, and they would just help me out.
08:49I always think about that Vegas trip that Vicky and Michelle took.
09:04I had seen them right before they left, and I hadn't heard from either one of them after that,
09:09so I just assumed that they were together still over there in Vegas.
09:13She was with her, but she came back early.
09:15Yeah, see, I didn't know that.
09:17That's why when I found out that she was missing, I just...
09:21I thought, was Vicky with her?
09:23Is Vicky missing, too?
09:24Mm-hmm.
09:25So I had no clue what was going on during that time.
09:35I was in Vegas with her, so I'm sure they wanted to know why I left and why she remained.
09:42When Michelle asked me to go, there wasn't really a set plan.
09:46We were just gonna do all the things that, like, normally would help us just not think of anything and just have a good time.
09:57Once we got there, we went to gamble a little bit.
10:03I saw Chandler from Friends, and I was like, oh my gosh, I'm gonna go up to him and, like, say hello.
10:10And then she was like, no, don't, because it looks like he's losing, like, a lot of money.
10:14The next night, we met up with Michelle's friend, Anil.
10:22We saw a Cirque du Soleil show, and then we went to dinner.
10:27Yeah, we had a good time.
10:31Michelle's friend, Anil, didn't live in Vegas, but he would always come down for business, and so whenever he was in town, he would reach out.
10:41I'm sure he had a crush on Michelle.
10:44It was not reciprocated, but she cared about him like a friend.
10:50We probably stayed out till, like, maybe 11 p.m.
10:57We were in a hotel room that had a living room and two bedrooms.
11:03And so that night, I was in my room, and I remember hearing something, and I came out of my room, and I saw Michelle's ex-boyfriend, Justin.
11:18I knew that he was living in Las Vegas, but she gave me no heads up that she was going to invite him to come over.
11:28I was definitely surprised that she let him, like, be in the hotel room.
11:32Like, why? Why is he here? Like, is this why we came?
11:37It made me sad. I was already like, everything's sad.
11:42But it definitely added to what I was, like, feeling.
11:47So Michelle's still asleep in her room.
11:50So I started talking to him, and I remember him saying, like, oh, Michelle told me that you're feeling sad.
11:57And I was like, yeah. I was like, I'm not sure why.
12:02Even though he was being friendly, I was a bit creeped out.
12:07He was asking me questions, trying to preach to me about, like, life, and it was weird.
12:15It was weird, like, and then he's like, you know, I'm going to go to the vending machine.
12:22And so he leaves, and the second he closes the door, I run to her room.
12:29Not to go check if she's okay or go check if she's still asleep, but, like, go check if she's alive.
12:36So I lean over her to make sure she's breathing.
12:40But then I see her chest is moving, and I was like, okay, I'm losing it.
12:47And I was like, now I'm thinking, like, you know, she's dead.
12:51Like, what is wrong with me?
12:53And then I tiptoe out of her room.
12:57He comes back, and then he asked me, do you think Michelle's a good person?
13:04And I was like, yeah, of course I think she's a good person.
13:10I thought it was an odd question.
13:12And then Michelle comes in, and she's like, what are you doing? Like, leave her alone.
13:19He was like, okay, fine. Like, okay, okay.
13:21And then he just, like, gets up and, like, leaves the hotel.
13:25I didn't call anyone or text anyone.
13:27I was pretty private with her and her and Justin's stuff.
13:33I don't remember asking her anything in the morning.
13:36Just because I was like, okay, she's, she's probably getting back with him.
13:42They were off and on so much.
13:52When Michelle went to Cal State Fullerton, she told us about this guy that she met, Justin.
13:57And she told us about how he played basketball.
14:00This was a thing with her. She always dated the tallest guy.
14:05So, I'm sure, I can only imagine in college she saw Justin and how tall he was, and she fell in love.
14:12Pretty early on, she was living with Justin.
14:15But over time, you kind of knew they were off and on, and breaking up, and getting back together.
14:26Eventually, they were living in Las Vegas, and she moved back to California, to West Covina.
14:32So, I feel like that was definitely a big step of knowing that it was over.
14:38I had no idea that Michelle and Justin were even talking.
14:41I didn't know he was living in Las Vegas at that time.
14:44But I thought they were done, so I was very surprised.
14:47When we went to Vegas shortly before that, they hadn't talked.
14:52No, I don't even think we really even talked about him.
14:54Never thought that he would be an issue.
14:58We had a great time.
14:59She never mentioned any friends, never anything like that.
15:03So, it really was a shock.
15:07After Justin left, we just moved on.
15:10We were just like, okay, what are we going to do today?
15:15But that day, I just was, like, not feeling good.
15:18Like, I just felt not happy.
15:24Like, I remember going to the mall, and walking around, and just, like, crying.
15:30And being like, what the heck is wrong with me?
15:33Like, why can't I stop?
15:36But we kept trying to push on to try to have a good time.
15:42We went to dinner, we went to a show.
15:45Anil, our friend that was there that weekend, was there as well.
15:51But I just couldn't stop crying.
15:55The only word I can think of is dread.
15:59And as the weekend went by, it just got stronger and stronger.
16:04To the point where I was getting scared myself of,
16:08I didn't understand why I was even experiencing this.
16:12And I had to leave.
16:17I was hoping that she would want to go home, too.
16:21But she wanted to stay.
16:25I was disappointed with her.
16:27I really was just hoping to not see her getting back with them.
16:31And when I got home, I was also trying to send her the message that I was disappointed.
16:40But also, I was, like, giving her her space.
16:45Letting her figure it out with Justin.
16:48If they were going to start again, and if she was going to move back and stay there.
16:55She finally called me on November 6th.
16:59And I believe it was around, like, 11 p.m.
17:03And I saw her call come through.
17:05And I was like, now she calls me?
17:07I'm like, it's 11 p.m.
17:09Like, what the heck?
17:10She's going to have to wait.
17:11Like, I'm going to have to, I'll call her back.
17:15And I regret not ever answering her phone call.
17:19I wish I would have.
17:20Vicky called asking when the last time I had spoken to Michelle.
17:33So I said that maybe a week after Vicky got back from Vegas,
17:38Michelle and I were talking through text message.
17:41And we made plans to hang out when she got back.
17:45But then Vicky said that they had found Michelle's car.
17:50But Michelle was missing.
17:53My stomach, it was in knots.
17:57Did she get carjacked?
17:59Did she get kidnapped?
18:00Like, all these things were going through my mind.
18:05Kevin told me that the police were at John's.
18:09And so I remember racing down to John's house.
18:14And I just kept calling Michelle's phone.
18:16She wasn't answering.
18:18And then I kept calling Justin.
18:20And he wasn't answering.
18:22All of us tried to call him.
18:23It might have rang a couple of times.
18:25And then they went to the voice message.
18:28And I just remember just crying.
18:32I remember calling her cell phone carrier.
18:36And begging them to tell me who was the last person that she called.
18:40I was like, please.
18:41I was like, it's my best friend.
18:42She's missing.
18:44I was like, please.
18:45Just tell me.
18:47And the guy, like, he felt so sorry.
18:51And he ends up giving me the number.
18:55Ends up being Justin's brother.
18:58And I called Justin's brother.
19:01And I was like, Michelle's missing.
19:03Do you know where Justin is?
19:04And he's like, I have no idea.
19:07We're just like, we didn't have no answers.
19:10Like, what's going on?
19:11So I think just for me, it was immediately just get on my face and pray and say, you know, God, what's going on?
19:18Seems like a nightmare you just want to wake up from.
19:2025-year-old Michelle Carson has always been the strong one in her group of friends.
19:33But finding her abandoned car makes everyone worried.
19:40Especially when there are secrets about her life that only you know.
19:44We were calling her friends, trying to get a hold of her and trying to get it out there that Michelle was missing,
19:54that if anybody had seen her, heard from her, to please let us know to get in contact with us.
20:02In the meantime, John had mentioned that I should contact her dentist to see if I can get her dental records.
20:10The next day, we all drove, including Vicki, we drove to Las Vegas.
20:24We're all in the car together, and John's driving us, and you could feel the stress and the worry.
20:33We were all very quiet.
20:36No one was really saying much.
20:39But I knew the least they wanted to know was what happened the last time that I saw her.
20:46And I told them about Vegas and how I was feeling,
20:52and that the last time I saw her, when I left her, she was sleeping and she was fine.
20:57Vicki had stated that Michelle's ex-boyfriend, Justin, was there, and he was acting very odd.
21:07Something was going on with him.
21:08She thought, just like I did, Michelle was moving on with her life, and she was going backwards again.
21:15And I completely understand that.
21:18As a parent, I was trying to keep positive and just pray that it's just some misunderstanding or that something went wrong.
21:28She got angry and maybe just was hiding somewhere.
21:31They hadn't gotten a hold of Justin, but I think that was already a normal pattern with Justin because he would just flee all the time.
21:43Like he was trying to push her away.
21:46So I was like, what if Justin left and left her alone at some hotel room and some bad man saw that she was by herself and took advantage and did something to her.
21:56I was thinking all sorts of scenarios and I was like, what if she's kidnapped right now?
22:01What if she's, you know, just gone?
22:10Sitting in that car for three or four hours not knowing anything was torture.
22:18My thoughts would go from like fear, panic, to worry.
22:27When we arrived in Las Vegas, I met with a couple of detectives.
22:33And I'll never forget that.
22:38Michelle's parents were already inside.
22:41And so I just was like, right when I walk into the room, I'm going to look at their faces, like, and their face will tell me.
22:48And so then I like walk in and they're just like looking down so I can't see their faces.
22:57And I'm like, tell me, tell me, tell me.
22:59And then I think Esther looks up and she's like, she's gone.
23:04And you like fall to the ground.
23:08They told us that they had found her body out in the desert.
23:26Two people that were doing target shooting found her and reported it.
23:31She was set on fire and buried about a mile and a half into the desert.
23:40They could see the smoke coming from the rocks and they found my daughter's hand sticking out of the rocks.
23:47You know, her heart's just broke.
24:00There's something you don't expect that this tragedy would happen to your family.
24:08Kevin helps pick me up and Alexis calls at that very moment.
24:15I went onto Facebook and I had a message from a friend from high school telling me, you know,
24:23Hey Alexis, I seen this post about Michelle missing, like, is everything okay?
24:29I knew nothing about this.
24:32I feel like everything just was a blur.
24:34I was very upset about it.
24:40And as soon as I called Vicki, she was crying.
24:43And I said, Vicki, what's going on? Where's Michelle?
24:47And I answer and I was like, she's gone. She's gone.
24:54It was like, it was a bad dream.
24:56You know, a bad dream that, you know, we weren't going to wake up from.
24:59I just couldn't believe it.
25:02I just, I, I couldn't process it.
25:08I went to Alexis' house and we were just crying and consoling each other and just going crazy thinking of what could have happened.
25:19What we knew was that her car was found with her belongings still in it.
25:27So, of course, automatically we think maybe somebody tried to carjack her.
25:32Made me fearful.
25:37Of course, me too.
25:38Then you start having all these things in your mind.
25:43Vicki was quiet when she got back from Vegas.
25:47You really didn't know who to trust.
25:49We just needed Vicki to tell us what happened.
25:51Michelle and I planted this tree when we were in Girl Scouts.
26:12It was supposed to signify friendship.
26:18I never discussed Michelle's private life.
26:22Those were secrets between her and I.
26:25And I was like her secret diary.
26:28And I never shared those secrets with anyone.
26:33But after I found out what happened to Michelle, I felt like I knew something.
26:41And this was something that could help figure this out.
26:45And it was time for me to disclose those secrets.
27:00The woman has been identified as 25-year-old Michelle Carson.
27:06Hearing the news that Michelle was gone.
27:10It was like an out-of-body experience.
27:12I remember, like, looking at it from above.
27:16And I just remember God telling me, like, she's with me.
27:19She's home.
27:23But at the same time, the detectives start questioning me about that weekend.
27:30And about the last day that I saw her.
27:33At the end of October, I didn't want to hold back.
27:38I told them that when I got home, I remember Michelle and I sent each other a message.
27:54I think I asked her if, like, Anil was still there.
27:56And, um, I don't even remember what she said.
28:02I still wasn't thinking it was Justin.
28:05But I noticed where the detectives were going with the questioning.
28:11They were asking me about Justin and if they had ever been violent, you know, in their relationship.
28:17I never saw anything, you know, red flags.
28:21I remember to cry or say that they were arguing.
28:26But, you know, it was like, it was nothing alarming because we've all been there, you know.
28:31I used to cry all the time in my relationship.
28:33When I heard that Michelle had met up with Justin, I didn't think negatively about it.
28:40Anytime I was around them, everything seemed fine.
28:44He seemed very caring towards her.
28:47I was having conversations in my head with her, what she would think.
28:52And I know she loved him so much, but in my head I was like, I'm sorry, Michelle.
28:55Like, I have to, I have to say this.
29:00Michelle told me one day that her and Justin got into an altercation.
29:07And it got pretty heated.
29:11And he was so upset he pushed her against the wall.
29:16And put his hands on her neck.
29:19Just hearing that alone, that image was something that stayed with me throughout the years.
29:31And I kept it in the back of my mind.
29:33I never even imagined breaking her trust.
29:37I never thought of it.
29:39But I remember telling her like, Michelle, if something ever happens to you,
29:42do you understand what I'm going to have to tell your parents?
29:49I was shocked that Michelle would stay in a relationship where there was violence.
29:55That's the first time we were ever aware of that.
30:00At the beginning, to be honest with you, I thought maybe he was murdered too.
30:04And maybe he was in a different location.
30:06That was my first thought.
30:08But once police knew that there was domestic violence, he was a person of interest.
30:12When we found out that she was murdered, I don't think we had any thought in our head that it was Justin.
30:21Maybe if we would have known that Michelle was being mistreated, we could have helped her.
30:29Being in our early 20s, when you love somebody, you might not think it's a big deal or understand the gravity of the situation.
30:38Even if Michelle did tell Vicky, you know, that one time with her other times.
30:44I think if Vicky knew what was going to happen, I think, I know for 100% sure she would have spoke out and mentioned something.
30:54In that particular moment, Vicky was the one that she trusted and that could have ruined their friendship.
31:00And I think it took a huge toll on her.
31:03I think she had a lot of remorse, a lot of hurt, a lot of, I did it, I could have saved her, I could have did this.
31:10I mean, it runs through all of our life.
31:11Well, if she didn't go to Vegas, this would have never happened.
31:16I corresponded back and forth with the detectives.
31:20They were looking at all leads, but it was their priority to find Justin.
31:25I learned that our friend that was also there that weekend, he had already left.
31:31So I knew that, yeah, she had to have either been with Justin or by herself.
31:38The detectives got subpoenas to get the cell records.
31:41There was text messaging between Justin and Michelle that night that she was murdered.
31:50There was some type of argument and I think she had locked him out wherever she was staying.
31:58So at one point he made access.
31:59And then there was a ping with Justin's phone close to where she was found.
32:09And I think that's when the murder, I think it happened around one in the morning.
32:14Then after that, his phone's turned off.
32:17No one can get a hold of him.
32:18It just throws up a lot of red flags.
32:20Like, if you did nothing wrong, why hide?
32:23We had reached out to the father of Justin, no answer.
32:29We kept calling Justin, the brother.
32:32Nobody was getting back to us.
32:34And they were not cooperating with law enforcement.
32:38So we knew at that point he was on the run.
32:44During this time, we had to go back to go and pick up her car.
32:48And then when we got our car out, the keys were missing.
32:56My daughter's keys were missing.
32:59Justin had keys to my place.
33:01So I had to change the locks.
33:04And I was really, really scared.
33:06I felt betrayed by Justin.
33:09I took him into my home.
33:11We welcomed him like a son.
33:13I didn't know where he was.
33:14I didn't know I'm sleeping at night and somebody comes in.
33:16And I felt that he's not right to take my daughter's life.
33:20He's capable of doing anything.
33:23I was scared, you know.
33:26When Vicky came back from Las Vegas,
33:29I knew she felt she had to come back.
33:31Because if she would have stayed, he could have killed her too.
33:35And at that time, with Justin, being able to lose,
33:38that came to my mind.
33:40You don't know what people are capable of.
33:41Michelle's ex-boyfriend Justin is the prime suspect in her murder.
33:47And with his whereabouts unknown,
33:51Michelle's friends and family all worry.
33:54Will he find his way to their front door?
33:56We have Michelle's urn.
33:57And I'm glad that we decided not to bury you and to cremate you.
34:12Because this is my only way of hugging you and holding you still.
34:16Because you're forever in my heart.
34:18We kind of shared it and we still do.
34:26And it's like whoever needs her can take the urn.
34:33I'm still able to keep her close and hold on to that until I see her again.
34:40The day of the funeral, it was raining that day.
34:48It's almost like somebody else was in my body and I,
34:52what am I doing here, burying a child?
34:57And I, uh, I just look back during the ceremony and I seen the church completely packed.
35:04It was very touching just to see how many people I think cared for Michelle and cared for us just knowing what a great loss it was in our friend group to lose a friend, especially to lose a friend in such a tragic way.
35:18The detectives in Las Vegas kept me informed and they, uh, and then there was newspaper articles.
35:30Anybody with information, you know, they called the number.
35:34And then, uh, finally a friend of, uh, Justin's brother came forward.
35:41The brother had said that Justin had murdered his girlfriend.
35:44So she went to the police department and we were so grateful.
35:50Justin was missing for about a month, month and a half.
35:55But the detective says, don't worry, we're gonna get him.
35:59It's just a matter of us arresting him at that particular time where it's safe and we have enough evidence to not overturn anything.
36:05I was scared he was gonna do something to somebody else and I was just hoping he would get caught or turn himself in.
36:16This shows you his true character because you ran away from the situation.
36:21You begin to see the patterns.
36:25He didn't finish school, just quit basketball.
36:29Things weren't panning out the way he hoped.
36:32The flunking of school and no longer having basketball in his life.
36:37Michelle was like being very supportive and he was just always leaving.
36:40But then he would come back.
36:43So I feel like he was having this internal struggle.
36:46Now looking back on it, I feel like it was all connected to what he was maybe experiencing mentally.
36:55Finally the detectives called us and let us know that, uh, that he's in Mississippi.
37:00Hiding out at his mother's house.
37:04And, uh, the FBI U.S. Marshals were going to go into the house at 5 in the morning.
37:10Get on the ground! Get on the ground! Get on the ground!
37:16Get on the ground! Get on the ground!
37:18Justin was finally caught and arrested.
37:21I was relieved that Michelle was gonna get the justice she deserved.
37:26He deserved to sit in that jail cell and just think about her and what he did every single day.
37:40But everything was delayed and he tried to claim insanity and I think that's what he was hoping for.
37:46That he would, you know, be released and get away with it.
37:49One day, I get this weird phone call from a correctional facility.
38:00And I don't remember why, but I answered it.
38:06It was Justin.
38:07I was shocked to hear his voice and I just couldn't believe, like, I'm speaking to the person who took my best friend's life.
38:24He was trying to get me to remember that day that I saw him.
38:29And it confirmed that he was out of his mind that day.
38:35And I was like, I'm sorry, like, I don't know, like, I can't talk to you.
38:40And I hung up on him.
38:43I wanted to know why he did it, but of course he can't really say that over the phone.
38:49I feel like losing her just made me realize, like, even more the value of friendship and how, like, what a treasure it is.
39:04I'm glad we're talking about her though.
39:07We don't get a lot of the opportunity to talk about her.
39:12At least not about her story.
39:13I love how I have this bracelet.
39:16Actually, we all have this bracelet.
39:17We got it, uh, when Michelle was still here.
39:20Michelle will always be a part of our beautiful friendship.
39:24Yeah.
39:262017, they came to me with a plea deal.
39:30They would have pleaded, uh, guilty to second degree murder.
39:34And the sentence was 15 to 25 years.
39:38And then, uh, assault with a deadly weapon.
39:40And that was eight to 20 years.
39:43And it was consecutive.
39:45We, uh, we were okay with that.
39:48We, we, uh, we agreed with it, so.
39:51But I made a life goal to keep him behind bars as long as possible.
39:55My immediate thought was what a coward he was, you know?
40:09I think about how, if he was going to take his life, he should have just taken his life that night instead of hers.
40:15I truly believe that Michelle did not think that he would kill her.
40:21I wish he would have spoken up and I wish we could have done more for her and saved her from that night.
40:27I've definitely just moved differently now when I encounter a friend in a unhealthy situation.
40:41So, she didn't die in vain.
40:44I no longer just, you know, stay quiet.
40:49And if I lose a friend over my actions, I don't care.
40:53You know, as long as they're safe and alive and well.
40:58On the next, a killer among friends.
41:14LA kids find community in fantasy worlds.
41:18But when one of them turns up dead.
41:20How could you do that?
41:21Somebody is not who they say they are.
41:23Friends start to question everything and everyone they thought they knew.
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