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Former U.S. ambassador to Myanmar Derek Mitchell discusses the ceasefire halting fighting between Thailand and Cambodia, as well as the roles played by the U.S. and China.

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00:00What do you make of U.S. President Trump's willingness to use tariffs as a tool to push
00:05for a ceasefire between Thailand and Cambodia? Well, he loves tariffs. He thinks it's the magic
00:09weapon that can be used on anything, it seems. But I mean, look, people use whatever leverage
00:15you can, I suppose, to try to end conflict. In the past, we've used political means,
00:20and this president in the United States decides to use economic means, assuming that that is
00:27good leverage on these countries if they care in the middle of tariff negotiations to put their
00:33economic interests above some of these very deep-seated national issues.
00:38Well, this part of the world is a place that China is very interested in. It's sort of in
00:41their backyard. What do you make of U.S. intervention and its significance for the region and maybe even
00:47for Taiwan? Well, I mean, the United States has always intervened on issues in quiet ways.
00:53Typically, I think President Trump tends to take a much more bombastic approach to things. So he took
00:59full credit for this, which I think is too much. But, you know, quiet diplomacy, phone calls to
01:06leaders, encouragement, diplomatic engagement to try to lower the tensions. That always helps. I think
01:12it can be helpful. You know, I think the Chinese, again, they do the same because it's in their interest
01:19and in their neighborhood and they have good relations with both Cambodia and Thailand.
01:26So, look, I think it's a question mark for the region where they do want to be responsible for their
01:33own affairs. They don't want to be coerced by great powers. They don't want great powers interfering in their
01:40internal affairs.
01:41This conflict between Thailand and Cambodia is longstanding and very emotive for both sides.
01:46Do you think the pressure from things like tariffs or from neighboring countries like China and
01:50Malaysia will be enough to put a lid back on this very deeply sensitive issue for people on both sides?
01:57Well, it remains to be seen. They've got to work it out between the two of them, obviously. It's a very
02:00deep-seated nationalist issue for both of them. There's a lot of resentment that goes back decades.
02:06It's not just a single point. It's along the border in many different areas. So they have to have
02:13communications and settle this. They do have a boundary commission. I don't think this ends things,
02:18but conflict is the worst time to settle disputes. You at least have to stop the conflict and then let
02:26cooler heads prevail. And hopefully there'll be dialogue to get to some kind of lasting, sustained,
02:32stable settlement of some kind.
02:36So what did you think?
02:38Stringing in the last couple is going to goēng it up in many different places.
02:46.
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