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00:00I want to start over, but you've got to stop the bloggers.
00:07This girl was attacking me on social media.
00:09I never called her.
00:10Well, look now.
00:11I have zero service.
00:13Hi, ladies.
00:14I'm here to escort you to the closing ceremony.
00:17You're going to be walking on the labyrinth.
00:19What the is that?
00:20Wow, look at this.
00:22As you walk this path, state your intention.
00:26Read out what's in your way.
00:28See only positive things in my life.
00:30Did you eat anything at school today?
00:32Maybe, yes, no, yes.
00:34Luke maybe has autism.
00:37I choose to continue on the healthiest path.
00:41I just don't need to be best friends with everybody.
00:43Just because I hugged Tamara doesn't negate all of the attacks.
00:47It's just amazing how she can throw friendships away like that.
00:51I am strong.
00:52How was I friends for so many years with Tamara?
00:55And now I'm a target.
00:56Because I said, how's the FBI doing?
00:59I'm bringing help and positivity.
01:02Saying those things about me being a mother, that's not okay.
01:05I don't want to talk to all of these bloggers.
01:08But I was pissed.
01:09Yes, you have been there.
01:10And I didn't retaliate by bringing somebody's kids into it.
01:15Is there anything you'd like to say in closing?
01:18Back to reality.
01:19How was the flight?
01:28I slept for literally the whole flight.
01:30We entered tomorrow.
01:31Oh, crap.
01:32What?
01:33I went the wrong way.
01:37I was going to do mountain climbers, sissy.
01:39Come on.
01:40Hi, Diesel.
01:41You guys.
01:43Oh.
01:44Okay.
01:45That was good.
01:47Hello?
01:48I'm out, girl.
01:49Come on.
01:50Wait.
01:51Do I got...
01:52What?
01:53I don't know where I am.
01:55Surprise.
01:56It's okay.
01:57Sienna, you ready to cook?
01:59Yeah, but the dogs went poo poo and pee pee.
02:01Why?
02:02At least he doesn't have diarrhea anymore.
02:03But we're not, like, setting the bar that high.
02:04Hi.
02:05Hi, sweetie.
02:06Wait, where do I go?
02:07This way.
02:08Right?
02:09Actually, you keep going straight.
02:10Sorry.
02:11You're not going to die.
02:12Hi.
02:13Hi.
02:14Hi, sweetie.
02:18Wait, where do I go?
02:19This way.
02:20Right?
02:21Actually, you keep going straight.
02:22Sorry.
02:23You're not going to die.
02:40Hi.
02:41Hi.
02:42Welcome to the Shape Shop Studios.
02:43Oh.
02:44Pick a body roller.
02:45Okay.
02:46Hi.
02:47Hi.
02:48How are you?
02:49What do you make of me do here?
02:50I don't know.
02:51We're rolling out.
02:52It's a full body lymphatic drainage massage.
02:54They're going to get all the gummy bears out.
02:56I do.
02:57Can you squish all the gummy bears out of me?
02:59Hi.
03:00What the hell's going on in here?
03:02You get your own torture device right there.
03:04Okay.
03:05First, you'll start with your feet just like her over there.
03:07Press.
03:08This is painful.
03:09Ugh.
03:10Why does it hurt so bad?
03:12Ay, ay, ay, caramba.
03:13Yeah, it's breaking up the fat.
03:15Ugh.
03:16My body's like oil can.
03:17This is Orange County, and everyone is obsessed with wellness activities.
03:22What the am I doing right now?
03:24Oh.
03:25I get out of this.
03:28So, why not try whatever the this is?
03:31Ah.
03:32This is my favorite position so far.
03:36And when you feet forward, it really gets you.
03:39No.
03:40Don't anyone talk to me right now.
03:42How many people have had an orgasm in here?
03:44That's what I want to know.
03:45I feel like I need to call Shane.
03:48Hello.
03:49I would like to put this next to my bed.
03:53It doesn't leave In-N-Out laying around.
03:55It doesn't tell me what I did wrong that day.
03:57It's silent and amazing.
04:00Okay, we're ready for you guys back here.
04:02Hi.
04:03Nice to meet you.
04:04Can I introduce you in compression or red light therapy?
04:07Yes.
04:08Which one?
04:09All of it.
04:10All of it.
04:11That's okay.
04:12This is my problem area right here.
04:14Would you like heat and massage with it as well?
04:16Yeah.
04:17I'll be back in a few minutes.
04:18Okay.
04:20To be honest, I thought we were going to be doing this kind of stuff at the Golden Door.
04:25So did I.
04:26Kudos to you, Tamara, because I see that you're really trying with Shannon.
04:31I know that things have been distant between us, but I appreciate the invitation.
04:36I had a great time.
04:38You're not letting people activate you in the way that you were last year.
04:40No, I don't care.
04:41Yeah.
04:42I was shocked by this, but do you believe that Katie did not talk to that blogger?
04:46No, that.
04:47She did.
04:48This girl was attacking me on social media.
04:50She DMed me first, but I never called her.
04:53But Shannon defending Katie, I got pissed off.
04:56I am uncomfortable when I see a bunch of people going after one person.
05:01She was trying to make it like it was a gang up.
05:02Yes.
05:03And I'm like, it wasn't a gang up.
05:04No.
05:05It was hurting everybody.
05:06And now we want to address it with you.
05:08And now you want to sit there and victimize yourself while you put yourself in that chair.
05:14Hi.
05:15Hi.
05:16I'm sorry.
05:17I just hit you in the chair.
05:18Sit here.
05:19Sit here.
05:20I've got a laser so I have to wear a hat.
05:21What kind of laser did you get?
05:22I got a facial, then I got Surmage, then I got Botox.
05:23Oh.
05:24Yeah.
05:25It's not fun to have things sag.
05:26So if there's a laser that's going to snap it up, I'm going to do it.
05:27But it's just neck up.
05:28There's no neck down until I'm in a relationship.
05:29I don't even know when the last time I had a bikini wax.
05:31I don't ever come here, but it's gorgeous in Laguna.
05:32It is.
05:33I've never been to this bunch.
05:34But I had been around here before.
05:35How'd you think yesterday went?
05:36What'd you think?
05:37I just feel like after last year, there were a lot of things lingering.
05:40And it made me feel like it was just a little bit more of a little bit more.
05:42Oh.
05:43Oh.
05:44Yeah.
05:45It's not fun to have things sag.
05:46So if there's a laser that's gonna snap it up, I'm gonna do it.
05:48But it's just neck up.
05:49There's no neck down until I'm in a relationship.
05:51That I had been around here before.
05:53How'd you think yesterday went?
05:54What'd you think?
05:55I just feel like after last year, there were a lot of things lingering.
06:00Mm-hmm.
06:01And that maybe we could resolve some of them.
06:02And I don't know that that happened.
06:04No.
06:05I really do appreciate that you stuck up for me.
06:08I felt like I was a little bit under attack.
06:09Right.
06:10And I noticed you telling Jen, I heard you, she's shutting down.
06:13Well, yeah.
06:14And I did.
06:15Yeah, because you just feel this exhaustion.
06:16Yeah.
06:17And it's like, what do I need to say to just end this?
06:19You shut down a little.
06:20Because I'm used to that.
06:22You know, like with me and my ex-husband.
06:24If I fought back a lot, it became worse.
06:28So a lot of times now, I'll just appease so that it doesn't become some level 10 thing.
06:32You know?
06:33I think it's just a trauma response.
06:36That if somebody's screaming, literally everything freezes up.
06:40And I know that I need to speak up and open up.
06:43And maybe if they got to know me a little bit more, they'd understand that about me.
06:47I just think that they're worried that you're calculated or you plan what you're going to
06:52do or say.
06:53I wish I was that smart to play chess.
06:55I can barely play checkers.
06:56So there is no calculation on my part.
06:59I need her to admit .
07:01She has tried to coddle somebody that's going after me, spreading lies.
07:05And then she calls them?
07:07She said, I didn't call her.
07:08I DMed her.
07:09Well, show me the DM that you DMed her.
07:12Katie's like a silent assassin.
07:14Like she's really sweet and nice to your face.
07:16And then she's like doing all this stuff behind everybody's back.
07:19If it's obviously not true, just prove it.
07:21She's guilty on every count.
07:24I've apologized a hundred times.
07:25Like, I'm sorry if I handled that incorrectly.
07:28I don't know what to do.
07:29But I think sometimes the choice of words might not be the best.
07:33Like you just said, if I did something.
07:35That's like an apology but.
07:37I know, but here's the thing, Shannon.
07:38What's interesting but?
07:39Okay, I am regretful of that.
07:42But why would I go to lengths to keep apologizing to somebody that won't listen or give me the
07:50space to even speak?
07:51I guess it boils down to do you want to have relationships with any of the girls in this
07:56group?
07:57Yes, of course I do.
07:58You do.
07:59But I think it'll just take time.
08:00I don't think this is something that's like fixed overnight.
08:01How can you move forward?
08:03I want everything to be okay.
08:05It's important for me to have compassion for Katie right now because I've been in her situation
08:10with multiple people coming at me.
08:13You cry every single night.
08:15If you get on a medication that evened you out.
08:17I'm not going to go on a medication.
08:19Keep talking about me, you guys.
08:20You look like you're in jail.
08:22Maybe I wish that when it had happened to me that someone would have come to me and
08:28said I know how that feels.
08:29I need to apologize in a different way, obviously.
08:31But it's gone.
08:32Absolutely.
08:33I'm just trying to help you here.
08:35No, I know and I appreciate it.
08:36I mean, of course I'm coming to your lunch.
08:39I'm sorry to verbalize it.
08:41I haven't really gotten to know everyone that well and not everyone's gotten to know me.
08:45So I wanted to see if you guys wanted to join me for HopHop.
08:48Okay.
08:49To Olive Branch?
08:50Yes.
08:51Well, I'd just come pick you up.
08:53I'd make you come anyways.
08:55Wait, so are you guys going to the get to know Katie party?
08:58Yeah.
08:59You go to prove to yourself that like you're not going to let her get to you.
09:03Can you imagine the things that she's done that we don't know about?
09:06Well, here's the thing.
09:08Last year, Katie was filming Shannon.
09:11Having a full blown meltdown at our gallery shoot.
09:15How?
09:16So they were sharing a dressing room.
09:18The gallery shoot is what happens at the end of the season.
09:21We do our promo pictures.
09:23Shannon came like two hours late.
09:25She's screaming and yelling.
09:27We all knew Shannon was having a bad day that day.
09:30Shannon comes in like this with 600 bags and her hair up here and she's half asleep.
09:35And she's like yelling into the phone because that's what she does all the time.
09:41Shannon was pissed off that Alexis was there at the same time she was.
09:45And Shannon started screaming and cussing.
09:48Katie was on her phone with her husband.
09:51She hung up without even saying anything to him and just started pushing record and showed it to Alexis.
09:56She showed it to her.
10:00They were in an active lawsuit.
10:02Right.
10:03She showed it to somebody who could have taken that and harmed her legally with it.
10:09John and Alexis were making accusations that they had videos of Shannon where she was displaying behavior that was not the best.
10:17Do I need to pull out the videos?
10:19Johnny's ready to talk.
10:20Videos of what?
10:21It will ruin her life.
10:22He has videos of her at the night of her DUI.
10:25So the last thing you want is someone videotaping you and sending it to the person that you're in a lawsuit with.
10:31What is Shannon going to do?
10:32I don't know.
10:33And is that something I tell her?
10:34No.
10:35The actual content is going to get bogged down in that you're trying to ruin their relationship.
10:40All right.
10:41Well, good to see you.
10:42I love you.
10:43All right.
10:44We'll see how the hot pocket goes.
10:46Hot pot.
10:47Hot pot sounds good.
10:49Shannon is really sticking up for Katie.
10:51Shannon needs to know, and maybe it's not really my responsibility to carry that, but I brought Katie into this group and now she's done such horrible things to everybody here.
11:02And I feel guilty about that.
11:04I've had enough of it.
11:09Coming up.
11:11Do you think she didn't contact my daughter?
11:14She commented on it.
11:15If that's the same thing.
11:16No, it's not.
11:17No, it's not.
11:18Oh.
11:19Okay, Yvonne.
11:27Why does it smell like this?
11:29Did something die in here?
11:30Stop it.
11:31Ugh.
11:32It smells so bad.
11:33Give me that pineapple juice.
11:35I can't smell.
11:39No.
11:40Is that it?
11:42No.
11:43That doesn't smell good, though.
11:44Oh, my God.
11:45You were supposed to eat this before December 2024.
11:50I'm trying to lose weight.
11:51You want to sit down?
11:52Yeah.
11:53You've lost weight, Sophie.
11:54Thanks.
11:55It's the walking.
11:56You're a New Yorker.
11:57Not yet.
11:58After 10 years, you're a New Yorker.
12:00Oh, is that the rule?
12:01It's the rule.
12:02Oh, good to know.
12:03I'm just so proud of her.
12:04She graduated from Baylor University last year.
12:07Has an incredible job working in sports.
12:10She works out every single day.
12:11She's, like, eating healthy.
12:13I love that she has excitement and adventure ahead.
12:18It's almost like I'm living through Sophie.
12:20So, um, the Love Hotel comes out soon.
12:23Are you excited?
12:24I am.
12:25How's the aftermath of it?
12:26Because I made so many male friends on the show.
12:29Like, if I have an event or something to go to.
12:32I've asked a few of them.
12:33Will you go with me?
12:34Have a date.
12:35I hadn't gone on a date for a year.
12:38So I made myself vulnerable.
12:41In the end, Earl and I did try and date for a couple months.
12:44But we are not meant to be together.
12:46And it affected me more than I wanted to give it credit for.
12:50Because I tried again in it.
12:53And it didn't work.
12:54Do you want a date?
12:55I don't know.
12:56I mean, you know, there's, like, a couple guys that I know.
12:59Yeah.
13:00Kissed them.
13:01The just kissing?
13:02You know, a couple guys took my face.
13:04Give me a kiss for, like, a minute.
13:05And then, buh-bye.
13:06Okay, first of all, of the four people that I have kissed in the last six months, I did not initiate one of them.
13:14And I'm not a kissing bandit.
13:16But I do like a kiss.
13:18If it's good.
13:19Do you want to do a dating app?
13:21I don't know what people's intention would be.
13:24You know, I already have gone out with a private person who wanted nothing more than to be famous.
13:29So I'm not going to go down that road again.
13:31Yeah.
13:32I clearly know what the red flags are, but they just seem to be waving every single time I meet a man.
13:36So I'm just good being single right now.
13:39Who's your ideal guy?
13:40None of them.
13:41Oh.
13:43Archie, get in here.
13:45Come on.
13:46Get in here.
13:47Archie.
13:48Come here, young man.
13:49What are you doing?
13:50He sees the mail truck and starts parking.
13:52Do you guys hang out a lot?
13:53You and Archie?
13:54Well, I thought you meant me and the mail person.
13:57No.
13:58So that's your new man.
14:00He's the mailman.
14:01Yes?
14:02Shane.
14:03At least you didn't drive away while I was trying to get in.
14:16That's what you usually do.
14:17Oh, it's a little hot.
14:18I am.
14:19Open the vent if you're hot.
14:20I don't know how this car works.
14:21Well, figure it out.
14:22Complicated.
14:23Stop talking to me like that.
14:24What do you mean it's complicated?
14:25It's a vent.
14:26It's been in the car for 50 years.
14:27You open it and you close it.
14:29So how'd it go?
14:30I did mention to the therapist, Luke has declined over the last week or so.
14:37Mm-hmm.
14:38Because I took him to the movies the other night.
14:41So I ordered him the french fries.
14:42Then he turns the flashlight on, on my cell phone.
14:45And he picks up each french fry and he inspects it.
14:48Yeah.
14:49And then I told her we reached out to an autism specialist and that he is going to do the
14:55intensive testing.
14:56Mm-hmm.
14:57And I've mentioned to you before that I thought maybe he was autistic.
15:02It is a daily struggle.
15:04I have no idea what I'm doing.
15:06I don't know if he should be in a different school.
15:08I don't know if he should be in special classes.
15:10I don't know anything.
15:12I don't know what to do.
15:14I have to have meetings with his teachers.
15:16I have to have...
15:18As a mother, this decline breaks my heart.
15:25Yeah, I don't know why you keep saying as a mother.
15:27I mean, I'm a parent too.
15:28I don't know what the difference is.
15:29Because I feel like it's easy for you to just be like, it's just an isolated event.
15:32He'll be fine.
15:33No, I can't just say he's declining for the rest of his life.
15:36Well, I told her about how a couple of weeks ago he said he didn't want to go to school.
15:40And then I physically had to dress him myself.
15:42I had to take his pajamas off.
15:43I had to put his shirt on.
15:44I had to put his pants on.
15:45I had to hold his mouth open.
15:47Right.
15:48And brush his teeth for him.
15:50You got to remember it happened once.
15:53This morning it was fine.
15:55I think my approach is a little bit more try to make it like it's normal for Luke.
15:59And it's nothing that stands out or makes him lesser than or feel inferior.
16:03But Emily just wants to flip a switch and fix it.
16:06And I know it doesn't work that way.
16:08Shane is a good man.
16:09And he's a good dad.
16:10But I have this son that's in crisis.
16:12And it's like, we're not even on the same page.
16:14And I just feel like I feel alone in that.
16:17You know, label it what you want.
16:20We're going to get more information about how he operates.
16:22And then we're going to be able to improve his daily living that way.
16:27Yeah.
16:28Coming up.
16:29Last year she recorded you at the gallery shoot and then sent the video to Alexis.
16:34Wait, what?
16:35Ryan, where's the soda water?
16:36It's in the fridge.
16:37Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
16:38Hi.
16:39Come on, crew.
16:40Great.
16:41How are you?
16:42Good, good.
16:43Thanks for coming.
16:44Margaritas or Malibu rum?
16:45This could go awry.
16:46Would you like to place a bet on anything this evening before we get started?
16:50Just stop.
16:51Just stop.
16:52Last year, Matt was a little hesitant to get to know Ryan because of all the allegations
16:54surrounding the FBI.
16:55I've spent the last three hours hiding out by a dark gray.
16:58It seems so salacious, but now having gotten to know Ryan, there's nothing to hate about
17:04him.
17:05Tacos, tequilas, and good friends.
17:06Cheers.
17:07Cheers.
17:08Cheers.
17:09Cheers.
17:10Cheers.
17:11Cheers.
17:12Cheers.
17:13Cheers.
17:14Cheers.
17:15Cheers.
17:16Cheers.
17:17Cheers.
17:18Cheers.
17:19Cheers.
17:20Cheers.
17:21Cheers.
17:23Thank you for having us over.
17:24Yum.
17:25So it's a beef milk pastry?
17:26Yes, please.
17:27Thank you very much.
17:28Call crew, honey.
17:29Crew.
17:30Come here, baby.
17:31Matt, I'm sure Katie told you about the golden door, but it was another just on Katie.
17:36On Katie.
17:37Who are these people that they think they can sit in a moral tower of judgment?
17:51It's loud.
17:52Hello.
17:53Hello.
17:54Hello.
17:55Are you doing construction again?
17:56I had a little oopsie in my kitchen.
17:57Overflowed the sink.
17:58Oh, my God.
17:59That's what happened?
18:00Okay.
18:01Well, I come bearing champs and onion rings.
18:02Do we have any plates or anything?
18:03Because I don't know if I can get any.
18:04No.
18:05Let's go dirty.
18:06Okay.
18:07Okay.
18:08Don't stain my table, douche bag.
18:09Oh, my God.
18:10This is so funny.
18:11I'm going to use the douche bag coaster.
18:12Okay.
18:13Use the douche bag.
18:14Oh, oh, oh, oh.
18:15Not good.
18:16Not good.
18:17Not good.
18:18Don't stain my table, douche bag.
18:19Oh, my God.
18:20This is so funny.
18:21I'm going to use the douche bag coaster.
18:22Okay.
18:23Use the douche bag.
18:24Oh, oh, oh, oh.
18:25Not good.
18:26Not good.
18:27Not good.
18:28Don't stain the wood, douche bag.
18:29Get a towel.
18:30Woo!
18:31And he's going to be mad.
18:32I'm the douche bag.
18:33Come here.
18:34Last year it was espresso martinis.
18:36Now it's this.
18:37Oh, no!
18:39It's going to be fine.
18:41Fine.
18:42Oh, my God.
18:44I haven't been this skinny since my fitness competition.
18:47But, of course, I had more muscle than skinny flab.
18:49That's why I brought you food.
18:51I know when you're stressed, you get skinny.
18:52That's all I've ever wanted.
18:53That's a lot in your mouth.
18:54That's a lot in your mouth.
18:55That's a lot in your mouth.
18:56That's what she said.
18:57Yep.
18:58So, anyways, I hung out with Gretchen the other night.
19:01Oh, God.
19:02Oh, my God, we met.
19:03Oh, my God, that's so cute.
19:04I have the same dress.
19:06I die.
19:07You know, we were laughing a little bit about stuff we all used to do.
19:11I met Gretchen the same time I met Tamra Judge.
19:14Hi.
19:15Hi.
19:16Hi, honey.
19:17Good to see you.
19:18Cut to 14 years later, and we have seen each other socially a lot.
19:23I think she's really fun.
19:25Does she have a nose?
19:26Yes.
19:27Oh, because the pictures on Instagram, she has no, it's like blurred.
19:30I'm telling you, she looks great.
19:31Well, that's Katie's new friend.
19:32So, I'm wondering how that's going to all work out.
19:33Ta-da.
19:34Bet you never thought you'd see me again, but here I am in all my glory.
19:39Whoa.
19:40There's a lot going on in here.
19:41It's been 11 years since I've been sitting in this chair, and I would say I look like I've
19:45been frozen in time, right?
19:46And no plastic surgery.
19:47Not even these suckers.
19:48Hi, you look gorgeous.
19:49Hi, bro.
19:50Great to see you.
19:51You look great.
19:52Hi, you.
19:53Hi, sir.
19:54Good to see you.
19:55Oh, my gosh.
19:56The house is so cool.
19:57Thank you very much.
19:58I love it.
19:59Here, you guys sit.
20:00You want my seating or what, buddy?
20:01You guys, cheers to us getting together.
20:02I love this.
20:03I met Gretchen when I was going through so much with Tamra.
20:05I slended Gretchen's DMs.
20:06I think all I had to say was Tamra SOS, and I got a call right away.
20:23Every new housewife always reaches out to me and asks me how to deal with Tamra, and
20:28legitimately tell them to run.
20:30Like, go the opposite direction.
20:32I could be making so much money if I started charging for the advice.
20:37What's a guy like you doing in a place like this?
20:40Between cats and dogs and children, how many things are there in this family?
20:45Four dogs, two cats, and seven kids.
20:47Cheers to us.
20:48Cheers.
20:49Did you tell Jen you were going to get chickens?
20:50Oh, my gosh.
20:51Every day.
20:52I want a chicken.
20:53Skylar, she has them at school, so every day she's like, Mom, can we get a chicken?
20:55They're at school?
20:56Yeah.
20:57What?
20:58They get them on the slide together?
20:59They call her the chicken whisperer because she gets the chicken and walks around with
21:02it.
21:03No way.
21:04I feel like it was just yesterday.
21:05We had a daughter, Skylar Gray, who's five and a half.
21:07Like, she's just a wild daredevil.
21:09She's already on, like, a dirt bike.
21:11I am legitimately scared when she turns a teenager.
21:14Are you going to get a chicken?
21:16Well, we're going to build the chicken coop in the back.
21:18No way.
21:19Slade and I never got married, but we are more in love than we were 16 years ago.
21:24We are...
21:25Who is it?
21:26Kurt and Goldie Hawn.
21:27The irony of so many of these women claiming it was a fake relationship is most of those
21:32women have gotten divorced since then.
21:34I just think the elaborate engagement was done for TV.
21:38Did she just pull this out of her hat?
21:41Last year, she didn't want to marry him.
21:45Karma's a bitch, ain't it?
21:47I haven't seen you guys in a minute.
21:49What's going on with you guys?
21:50I saw Tamra, and we didn't have any words.
21:52No.
21:53Except for...
21:54Well, one.
21:55We had one word.
21:56I think there's more of us that sit at this table who should listen and not go so low.
21:59And so...
22:00Oh, bring it on, Jen.
22:02They were just coming at Katie for, like, you're unsafe.
22:05You're coming after our families.
22:07I'm dangerous.
22:08You're dangerous.
22:09Which makes zero sense, but...
22:10Exactly right.
22:11It's so frustrating that Katie is being held to a different standard.
22:15Honestly, it comes down to the fact that none of these girls are afraid of Katie.
22:19And they're all afraid of Tamra.
22:21She will tell lies.
22:22She spends truth.
22:23It's bull .
22:24I mean, the kids can be very mad.
22:26Oh, rightfully so.
22:27How are you feeling about seeing Tamra at my lunch?
22:29Is she coming?
22:30Mm-hmm.
22:31Honestly, I don't really care to have a friendship with this woman.
22:34I mean, she said horrible things about me.
22:36If you're a gold digger, you're a gold digger.
22:38If you walk like a duck, you're a duck.
22:39As a man, you should always take care of your kid.
22:42Slade, slimy.
22:43Pay your child support.
22:44You've seen your kid ten times in one year, you piece of .
22:48They just made up lies.
22:49Yeah.
22:50So you're talking about Captain Evil.
22:51Captain Evil.
22:52Exactly.
22:53Yeah.
22:54Time to move forward.
22:55Gretchen, you, like the whole thing.
22:57I think the problem is Jen.
22:59She's reaching out to people that don't like me because she's super insecure.
23:04When I met Jen, what I didn't know is the years prior, she bought a house two doors down from where me and Simon lived.
23:11Then she started going to Dr. Ambe.
23:13Then she went to the hair salon where I went and had my old hair extensions put in her head.
23:19Oh my goodness.
23:21What's next?
23:22Let me guess.
23:23You and Ryan are going to start doing fitness videos together.
23:26She wanted the life that I had and she got it.
23:34Okay.
23:35This is her when I met her.
23:36She didn't look that different.
23:37Oh, come on.
23:38Her lips look like hot dogs now.
23:40Yeah, but that's okay.
23:41Well, I have a full body one.
23:43She was heavy.
23:47Oh yeah.
23:48She's totally different.
23:49Totally different.
23:50But good for her.
23:51Yeah.
23:52I don't know if Jen's trying to become Tamara.
23:57I mean, I would think there's far more interesting people to emulate.
24:00I mean, hello.
24:01Moi.
24:02I know Gretchen told me she was going to go hang out with Jen and Katie today.
24:07Oh my God.
24:08The three.
24:09The three stooges.
24:10This is fantastic.
24:11Is it to smack that ass?
24:13Damn right it is, Matt.
24:15I'll have a to-go box for this.
24:18This is amazing.
24:19Dear Heavenly Father, bless this food.
24:20Yes.
24:21In Jesus' name we pray.
24:22Amen.
24:23Amen.
24:24Jen, where do you stand with Tamara?
24:25Like, do you think there's a thing, a way forward with her?
24:28I just, it's like I see.
24:29I see too much.
24:30Yeah.
24:31But can I support my friend who has a healthy, somewhat relationship with her?
24:35Right.
24:36For sure.
24:37I hope you have a different experience than I did.
24:38I get sent messages about the stuff that she's saying about me on the podcast.
24:42That's the part that pisses me off.
24:43Right, right.
24:44Two years ago, Slade's son, Grayson, passed away from brain cancer.
24:48And there was articles calling Slade a deadbeat dad.
24:51And here she is on a podcast saying whatever the hell she wants.
24:54This is not shocking to me.
24:55Michelle is having to go through a GoFundMe to pay for his services.
24:59Slade has never been a deadbeat dad.
25:01He just lost his son.
25:03Like, if you can't have a soul in that moment, you don't have a soul.
25:08Sorry.
25:09Heather said, you need to have some grace on Tamara right now because she's going through a lot because of what Teddy's going through.
25:14And I said, both the people in our lives have passed from cancer.
25:19My late fiance and his son.
25:21But where was my grace during that time?
25:23She has her things, how she feels.
25:26But does she remember contacting my daughter?
25:30Sydney posted something about me.
25:34And Gretchen started communicating with her.
25:37That is one of the lowest, most disgusting things you can do.
25:42Involve somebody's child.
25:44When I joined this group, you guys were friends.
25:47Yeah.
25:48What's really cool is if you can put some aside and just have a little fun.
25:52Well, we'll see.
25:53But you want to dwell on 12 years ago.
25:56I ain't doing it.
25:57I hear from rumblings in town that she's trying to be a new person and she's all of a sudden going to therapy.
26:02I hope to God she changes.
26:04I really do.
26:05But she is a known liar and manipulator.
26:08Facts.
26:09It's like, when does it stop?
26:18Do you want to come to Hot Pocket?
26:25It's Hot Pot.
26:27I would prefer Hot Pocket.
26:28Those are good.
26:29I would prefer Hot Pocket.
26:30Yeah.
26:34I'm going to Hot Pot.
26:36That'll be fun.
26:37I think she's the reason that I've got problems.
26:41Because she really hurt my best friends.
26:43I can't keep my mouth shut.
26:45Did you just learn this?
26:46I've learned a lot about myself the last couple of years, okay?
26:54So wait, who's going?
26:55Hold on to your Facetune, girls.
26:57Here comes Gretchen.
26:59So what if she comes back and she wants to make things right?
27:03I'll match her energy.
27:04If she wants to apologize, I'll apologize.
27:06People change, right?
27:07There's always this looming feeling of Tamara.
27:12Do you think you talked today?
27:13Do you think you're saying something?
27:14There's actually this Bible verse.
27:15That's like my favorite Bible verse.
27:16The Lord will fight for you.
27:17You need only to be still.
27:21Hi.
27:22Hi.
27:23It's so crowded.
27:24I know.
27:25I know.
27:26Sorry.
27:27No, you're good.
27:28Because I have to go to the bathroom all the time.
27:29So I need like an end seat.
27:30Okay.
27:31I mean, I guess I could have sat there, but I felt like...
27:32That's okay.
27:33Sit that in.
27:34They'll come in this way.
27:35So that's actually easier.
27:36Right.
27:37See?
27:38Yeah.
27:39I took one.
27:40That's what I did too.
27:41Oh, hi.
27:42Hi.
27:43Hi.
27:44It's so crowded.
27:45I know.
27:46I know.
27:47Sorry.
27:48No, you're good.
27:49Because I have to go to the bathroom all the time.
27:50So I need like an end seat.
27:51Okay.
27:52I mean, I guess I could have sat there, but I felt like...
27:53That's okay.
27:54Sit that in.
27:55They'll come in this way.
27:56So that's actually easier.
27:57Right.
27:58See?
27:59Yeah.
28:02It...
28:03I took one.
28:04That's what I did too.
28:06Oh, hi.
28:07Hi.
28:08Hi.
28:09Hi.
28:10I actually love this.
28:11Okay.
28:12Hi.
28:13Hi.
28:14Good to meet you.
28:15Nice to meet you.
28:16Nice to meet you.
28:17Curly.
28:18That's cute.
28:19Hi.
28:20How are you?
28:22Good.
28:23Sophie is home.
28:24Oh, that's nice.
28:25She has a bachelorette party.
28:27She has a friend getting married?
28:28Yes.
28:29But Sophie broke up with her boyfriend.
28:31What?
28:32Reese was part of our family.
28:33But Sophie decided she wanted to live her life and never wonder what it would have been
28:39like had she been a single girl in New York City.
28:42She says, I'm going to focus on my career.
28:44This is the time when I'm supposed to go out and have adventures and live life.
28:47Yeah.
28:48She's a smart girl.
28:49Yeah.
28:50I did sake if you guys want some.
28:51Sure, why not?
28:52Cheers.
28:53Thank you for inviting me.
28:54Thanks for coming.
28:55Cheers, Emily.
28:56Cheers.
28:57Cheers.
28:58Who are we missing?
28:59Jen and Gretchen.
29:01Super cute.
29:02Hi.
29:03Hi, everyone.
29:04Hi.
29:05Hi.
29:06Hi, guys.
29:07You're so pretty.
29:08Hi.
29:09I might need a drink.
29:10Hi, Tamara.
29:11Hi.
29:12How are you?
29:13How are you?
29:14How are you?
29:15Let me reintroduce myself.
29:16I am Tamara Judge.
29:17Nice to meet you, Tamara.
29:18Nice to meet you.
29:19Nice to meet you.
29:20I'm Fretchen Rossi.
29:21It's been a while.
29:22It's been a while.
29:23You look beautiful.
29:24Wait, how long exactly?
29:2512 years, maybe?
29:26I think so.
29:27I don't know.
29:28This definitely feels like a Tamara tactic.
29:29Pretend like everything's great.
29:30Make everybody laugh.
29:31La, la, la.
29:32Right before she strikes.
29:33So what have you been up to?
29:34Well, I mean, just like.
29:35Just with Slade and being a mom.
29:36I actually met Gretchen at my 40th birthday party.
29:37Yeah, I remember that.
29:38We had so much fun then.
29:39Yeah.
29:40Really?
29:41My friendship with Tamara did suffer when I was friendly with Gretchen because I did not know that I was
29:55a beef between the two of them.
29:58I think the last time we chatted was right when I was turning 40.
30:02I think I've seen Gretchen once since then.
30:05She's part of the I Hate Tamara Club.
30:07We've worked through it, but I'm not making that mistake again.
30:11Cheers.
30:12This one dropped a whole glass of champagne in my bedroom.
30:16Was Eddie sad?
30:18What did she drop now?
30:20Was it your champagne?
30:21It's okay.
30:22Jesus.
30:23I am not used to eating in the bed.
30:25He's like, did you guys spill something on my side of the bed?
30:28And I go, Heather did.
30:29Heather.
30:30Heather called.
30:31Heather.
30:32Oopsies.
30:33What is this?
30:34It's frothy.
30:35And there's three different flavors.
30:36You have like noodles and mushrooms and then it cooks it and then you pull it out and
30:40you eat it in your own little bowl.
30:42Excited to try something new.
30:43We all have to go get, there's like a bar of choices back there.
30:46Oh, it's fascinating.
30:47We'll get up at the same time.
30:48I think we should let them go.
30:50Okay.
30:51Can I just ask you?
30:52Was that awkward?
30:53Yeah.
30:54Yeah, but it's okay.
30:55It was good to break the ice.
30:56I thought that was good.
30:57So anything you grab from here, you put it in your bra.
30:59And oh, Jen, there's a ball combination.
31:01We need to give Gina the ball combination.
31:04Those aren't big enough.
31:05Oh my God.
31:06Travis's balls are enormous.
31:07They're actually in my purse.
31:08That's why everybody just thinks he has this small because these balls are enormous.
31:12Sheena, there is a ball combination.
31:16Oh great.
31:17Well, I don't do tiny balls.
31:19I know.
31:21I appreciate y'all coming.
31:22I want to start fresh because I think a lot of things happened last year that I'm regretful
31:26for and I want it to just be better.
31:28So thank you for coming.
31:29Thank you for having us.
31:30Thank you for having us.
31:31I do appreciate the fact that you say you have regret because now everything that you do,
31:36I'm questioning it.
31:38Okay.
31:39What happened between you and Tamara, this blogger?
31:41Well, she came to my house and explained everything to me.
31:44Oh, so what happened there?
31:46She owned up to it.
31:47I called her on Instagram.
31:49I'm looking through my DMs and I called her.
31:52She said, Tamara's threatening to sue me.
31:55And I said, this is not good.
31:56You got to take that post down.
31:58You know?
31:59So I apologize.
32:00Thank you for being honest with me.
32:01So it is upsetting to me because it's like, you don't even remember an entire conversation
32:07with this person that created a huge problem here, right?
32:11How does that even happen?
32:13And then it upsets me in all honesty.
32:15At the Golden Door, you are totally making it like we're like ganging up or something on Katie.
32:21We're just trying to get to the bottom of all of this.
32:24It's not about the subject matter that you were talking about.
32:27It's about every single person at a table going after one person.
32:30That's not right.
32:31You're making it like we're bullying her and we're not.
32:33She's done things to all of us, including you.
32:35Tamara just told me that last year she recorded you at the gallery shoot and then sent the
32:39video to Alexis.
32:40No one was yelling.
32:41So this is what I'm talking about.
32:42No one was yelling.
32:43What?
32:44There is no video that I recorded of Shannon.
32:46This is coming from Tamara.
32:47You actually told me, Dad.
32:56Tamara just told me that last year she recorded you at the gallery shoot and then sent the
33:00video to Alexis.
33:01Me, Alexis, and Katie were coming back from a Mother's Day lunch.
33:14We happened to talk about Shannon being nasty to people and Katie brought it up.
33:19She told me the whole story.
33:20Alexis had already heard it and it was just kind of left there.
33:23Never thought about it again until recently.
33:26Evidently, you're on the phone with somebody.
33:28I was on the phone with my two business partners having a meeting.
33:30You came in and you were screaming and I recorded on a voice note and sent it to Matt.
33:35Katie, you would speak to Alexis about me being upset when I'm in active litigation with her fiancé?
33:43Are you kidding me?
33:46Katie was sitting right next to me in Sonoma seeing how distraught I was.
33:51He has ring cameras that have videos.
33:54On the night of my DUI?
33:55Yeah, she told him that big bear bear.
33:56I have been working so f***ing hard on myself.
34:00And is he like trying to take me down?
34:03Now she's recording me?
34:05No one has listened to that but my husband.
34:07Then why would Alexis know about it?
34:08We've discussed it with Alexis.
34:10We've?
34:11We've got, we've sat at that great thing.
34:14Well, she forgot.
34:15Alexis said you played it for both of them.
34:17Yeah.
34:18I've never heard it.
34:19I'm not joking when I tell you.
34:20I've never heard whatever it is.
34:22But you knew about it.
34:23I did not know about this.
34:24She just said you were there.
34:26I don't know why Katie's doing this.
34:28It's just not fair.
34:29And really, I wish my friend would just start answering for herself.
34:33What was your reason I'm doing a new bit?
34:35We were talking to an investor.
34:36I was upset that I had to jump off of the call.
34:39I was telling Matt.
34:40I was like, this is what's going on right now.
34:41No, you weren't calling Matt to say this is going on.
34:43You're going to say, you can listen verbatim.
34:45It was proof of something that I called over her.
34:47To the fact that Shannon's upset.
34:48Yeah.
34:49That wasn't.
34:50Honestly, at the time, I was pissed.
34:52It was supposed to be a fun day for all of us.
34:55And instead, we got to hear Shannon yelling.
34:57Shannon, I'm sorry.
34:58How did you know again?
35:00Tamara told me.
35:01Tamara, oh my gosh.
35:02Of course, Tamara is always holding the information to use to her benefit.
35:07And that's the part that I feel like makes it feel shady.
35:10So, but Tamara, when you talk to Alexis, why did that even get brought up?
35:13Because obviously, Alexis and Shannon don't get along.
35:17And she said, like, I heard that she was freaking out at the green screen.
35:21Can I use the restroom?
35:22Sorry, I can't wait.
35:23But here's the problem is, who do you believe?
35:26Alexis or you?
35:27And at this point, it's like, you see how we struggle with it, though.
35:30You okay?
35:31I'm floored.
35:32Do you understand what it feels like to have someone video me when I don't remember what
35:36I said?
35:37It's unconscionable.
35:38Like, I've been there.
35:39We're not trying to hurt you.
35:41So there's no need to try and hurt us in that way.
35:45I did some and I regret doing it.
35:49You know what I miss the most?
35:50Talking and laughing and hanging out with Gina.
35:52I know.
35:53Okay, well, I'm happy.
35:54Thank you for saying that.
35:55You know what, Katie?
35:56This is why I hold on to this, because I genuinely liked you.
35:59I regret a lot of things for last year.
36:00I thought it was an eat or be eaten situation.
36:02And now I look at it a lot different.
36:04I am sorry, both of you, that I hurt you.
36:07I truly am.
36:08I do believe that, Katie.
36:13We've never had the opportunity to actually have this conversation, you know?
36:18And I'm sorry, too.
36:19I did.
36:20I said Katie a lot.
36:22It's okay.
36:23A lot of times.
36:24I've reached my limit and I'm sorry, but the best thing for me to do is remove yourself?
36:28Yeah.
36:29Okay.
36:30Because I'm starting to process.
36:31Yeah.
36:32So I appreciate seeing all of you.
36:34So thank you.
36:36I gave Katie a gift, giving her advice to get to a different place with the women in
36:41this group.
36:42And this is what she does to me.
36:44It is pure evil betrayal.
36:46We said we were all moving forward.
36:48It very much feels like we're holding her ass over the fire right now.
36:51Jen, Katie has done things that nobody at this table has done.
36:55She gave information about my kids to a blogger.
36:59I cannot give them information.
37:00No, Tamara did that to me, too.
37:02We have been told she's busy out trying to leak stories to blogs.
37:06Wow.
37:07Everyone has done things that other people agree are not okay.
37:11It's time to move on.
37:13I don't talk about you.
37:14Okay.
37:15Even just a few years ago, you were still talking about me and Slade on the podcast.
37:20So that's the problem.
37:21What did we say?
37:22Saying that Slade was a piece of shit.
37:23That's what you said.
37:24It wasn't anything negative about you.
37:26Yeah, it was.
37:27She said for years that Slade was a deadbeat dad, too.
37:29Was he?
37:30No.
37:31He's never been a deadbeat dad.
37:33Never.
37:34What's one of the first things that comes up on Google?
37:37So yeah, I hold a lot of resentment and frustration.
37:41Why is she still concerned whether Slade's a deadbeat dad or not?
37:45It's been 15 years.
37:46Who are you trying to convince, Gretchen?
37:48Yourself or the public?
37:50Yeah.
37:51You have been the one that's been proven to be a liar multiple times.
37:54What did I lie about?
37:55Oh, you were sued for being lied.
37:57And you almost got sued again by Ryan.
37:59No, I misspoke and I'd apologize for that.
38:01A lot of this pain that some of us have all felt, it was hard.
38:05There's like a lot.
38:06No, a lot of pain.
38:07There's a lot.
38:08Wait, you're going to roll your eyes at that?
38:09Did you think that she's crystal clean?
38:12I don't think I contacted my daughter.
38:15I did not contact your daughter.
38:16Yes, you did.
38:17No, I didn't.
38:18Tamara.
38:19She commented on it.
38:20Tamara.
38:21That's the same thing.
38:22No, it's not.
38:23It's not the same thing.
38:25Oh, okay, Eva.
38:35You really want to play this game because it's not the same thing.
38:50I made a comment on a public Facebook post that your daughter made.
38:54No, my ex-husband made that post.
38:56Oh, okay, cuz that's what you always do.
38:58You always blame it on somebody else.
39:00else your daughter even came out after you said that and said my mom is lying this is my account
39:05I made the post no that's not true well that's what she did and I have all the proof of it so
39:10you can spin your little lies and do all of your manipulation like you always do you are the the
39:15liar beyond liars you feel like you want to take accountability for any of this you want her to
39:22take all this accountability I will take accountability for whatever I've done I think
39:26the problem with Tamara and Gretchen is that they're both so intensely going after each other
39:32all the time they can't see their own part in the feud I thought that we can move forward what
39:39made you think that we could just move forward okay then we can't no I just say why do you do
39:45that why is that your go-to reaction this bitch has gone after me for years 12 years you've been
39:51gone after me 12 years you have a track record Tamara it's the same old Tamara it's the same
39:57same pony and song dance what's it called same old dog and hungry show same dog and pony show there
40:04you go I knew there was a bitch involved you need to talk it seems like there's a lot of hurt on both
40:13sides and maybe there's a way to move forward you've been hurt I've been hurt and I don't want
40:21to continue to go forward like this it's just about having accountability for the things absolutely
40:25yeah on both sides and I'm fine with that but that's why I think you and I need to talk because
40:31I think that you and I have it have a disagreement about where we feel like that level is and I agree
40:38with that but you can't like hold on to that it like kills you therapy has taught me that you don't
40:45always have to be right Gretchen can say whatever she wants to say about me it doesn't affect my life
40:51because you know what I'm the only person that can affect my life I think it's great that the two of
40:56you are talking so maybe you can continue this yeah all right I'm very open to it I've often thought
41:02about just calling you go okay enough is enough like we need to stop this but it's up to you
41:08I don't think that Tamra's ever going to really have true friendships until she can actually
41:16recognize what she's done to harm people and until I feel like I get that from her I don't really know
41:24if I want to move on Katie that was interesting thanks for having us it's really great I feel full
41:29I got a hard-boiled eggs for the ride home shut up let me see it did you put an egg in your purse
41:35I'm gonna eat that egg on the way home
41:40I thought it was a hard-boiled egg
41:44what are you doing Emily that was in your Emily oh no she had that you did not
41:52no you boil it Emily you crack it in the soup I thought it was her oh my god
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42:14then you're you're choosing Tamra because that woman caused so much pain why do you lower yourself
42:20no no no that's bull Shannon and Katie have a thing going over there I'm hoping that it's not
42:25gonna be bad you are the most evil person oh it's gonna be bad worse than Alexis Bellino that's bad
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