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00:00All right. Hope you're doing well, everybody. It is Stefan Molyneux from Free Domain, just
00:05trying a little new recording setup and happy to chat with you all about whatever is on
00:08your mind, as always. The topic is philosophy. Philosophy being the infinite atomic theory
00:16of everything, all-encompassing discipline of truth, reason, evidence, and the humane
00:22way. So, good morning, good morning, good morning. And I don't know what's being picked
00:28up in terms of audio. I guess we'll find out. There's no settings. There's no settings to
00:33say, ooh, use this audio or use that audio. So, hopefully, it's using the good mic, and
00:37we shall find out, of course, as time goes along. As always, I'm thrilled to hear from you, my
00:43friends, and it is your show. It is your topic. It is whatever is on your mind. And just wanted
00:52to point out that there is very bad data floating around, my friends, some very bad data. So,
01:01people are saying 90% of the women are going for the top 10% of men. Yet, according to research
01:06that I've looked up, 70% of teenagers, males, report having sexual activity by the end of
01:16their teens. That's 70%. That's not 10%. Don't take the online thing too seriously. Don't take
01:22online data too seriously. It's mostly nonsense with a few bouts of useful stuff here and there,
01:29but mostly nonsense. For women in particular, dating apps are like a wish list. And it's important
01:36to remember, of course, nobody gets everything they want in the dating scenario. Nobody. Nobody gets
01:42everything they want. Nobody gets everything they want in life. I mean, the king gets to order people
01:47around, but then he ends up isolated and lonely. If you go to negotiate for a job, you want a whole
01:54bunch of money. Other people want to pay you less money. Even in the dating market, if you sort of
02:00look at the way we evolved, I mean, 10s tend to get with 10s. Does that mean the 10s are happy? Nope.
02:05Because if you're some super Gaston built like a Viper truck kind of guy, you just want to sleep
02:13around, but then you've got to be monogamous because that's the only way you can really get
02:15sex and sort of our evolution marriage and so on, right? The woman who's a 10 always thinks she can
02:20do better. The 10 wants the 10, maybe thinks he can get a little bit above because 10 is 10%,
02:26right? So instead of a 91, he thinks he can get a 97. But if he goes and aims too high,
02:31then the 10 gets snagged up by a 9 and then the 10 has to go for a 9. So there's always this tension
02:38in the dating market. You want the maximum you can get, but not so much that you can't get anything.
02:43This is life. I want the maximum philosophy that I can do, but not so much that I get burned at the
02:49stake. Nobody gets everything they want. And sort of the sooner that you grind that into your bones,
02:57I think the better off that you'll be. So you're not going to get everything you want.
03:02You know, when I, my wife and I love each other very much, we married 23 years. And when she met,
03:08I was unemployed. When we met, I was unemployed. I was taking time off to work on writing novels.
03:12I wrote The God of Atheists. I wrote almost over the period of a year and a half and almost as a
03:18historical novel required crazy amounts of research. This is sort of back before the internet
03:23was really useful for that kind of stuff. So would she rather have,
03:27had me employed when she met me? Yeah, of course. But we don't, we don't,
03:32we don't get everything that we want in life. And refusing to settle is a fool's game.
03:40I tell everyone, settle. Do you live in the mansion of your dreams? I don't know if the
03:45mansion of your dreams is some Bill Gates, $40 million Uber mansion of the gods. I don't know.
03:50But then it's a lot to maintain. It's a lot of work. Property taxes are insane. Like,
03:54I don't know. What is, what is, what is perfect? What is perfect? Do I ever do a perfect show? No,
03:59I have to settle for the most inspiration that I can have at the moment. Most songs that people
04:04write don't go anywhere. You know, there's like five greatest songs in the history of music.
04:09You have to settle for what it is that you can produce. Nobody gets everything they want.
04:13Elon Musk complains about these as, you know, people look at my money and they think they want
04:16my life. They probably don't. Because all I do is work, sleep on the factory floor. All I do is work
04:21and make baby mamas. That's his two, his three, three or four big manufacturing things. The boring
04:26company, I guess, SpaceX and Starlink and baby mamas. That's his conveyor belt. So just recognize
04:37when women are on dating apps, it's just a wish list. 70% of young men are having sex. And I think
04:46that's intercourse. So if you count non-intercourse, like oral or whatever it is, then that's a whole
04:50different matter. It's probably closer to 80, 85%, whatever it is, right? It's not a drought out
04:56there. Don't, don't listen to the people who tell you it's hopeless. Oh, but three, 97% of women will
05:01only have sex with, but they're willing to share a man. They just want the chance. Don't listen to
05:05the outliers. There's a great bulge. Get it? There's a great bulge in the middle, but to the girdle
05:11to the gods inherit below is all the fiends. So don't listen to the outliers. Don't listen to the
05:18extremes. Yes, there are some uber chads who sleep around. Yes, there are some guys who are
05:25too awkward and funny looking to get anyone or anything. And those are the outliers. Just aim
05:31for that bulge in the middle and don't be talked out of love, family, procreation, happiness,
05:39or any of that stuff. You know, there are a lot of people out there in this world
05:43who have failed and want to vindictively spread their failure to others, right? We recognize
05:51this. There's an old saying, single women keep women single. So we recognize this in female
05:57nature. It's in male nature as well. I failed. Therefore, I'm going to conduct elaborate
06:02justifications as to why my failure wasn't my fault. That's the big draw of ideology, man.
06:08The big draw of ideology, right? I failed. I now need to create massive justifications
06:15as to why my failure wasn't my fault, man. It wasn't me. It's the system. It's the race.
06:21It's the class. It's the capitalists. It's the ownership of the means of production. It's
06:26women. It's the media. It's schools. These are all factors. But you'd be really surprised
06:34at how little stops you when you give up
06:38things for which there are reasonable excuses. I did not stay in the art world because
06:48books are relentless socialist slash communist slash wokesters. They did their long march through
06:56the institutions. So if I say, well, gee, very strongly anti-socialist and, you know, it ain't
07:041957 when you could squeeze out Atlas Shrugged after a massive battle after a previously successful
07:10novel, The Fountainhead, and a minorly successful novel, We the Living. So we always want to stay
07:19away from those who are going to work. And then what they do is they'll say, well, once we achieve
07:28this impossible thing, then you can succeed. Once we get the government out of human relationships,
07:34then we can succeed. Once the marriage contract no longer involves a state, once we do this, once we
07:40do that, once we get rid of the welfare state, then it's not going to happen. We have to play
07:45the cards we're dealt. I mean, you can leave the game, which is, of course, what a lot of people are
07:50doing, but it's not necessary. And people are saying, Steph, you're old, you're out of touch. I get that.
07:55I mean, I obviously was thinking about, and I've talked about this before, creating a dating
07:59profile and seeing what I could do, but I don't want to, obviously don't want to catfish anyone,
08:02right? But I know a lot of young people, friends, and there's not this law that says when you start
08:09pushing 60, you can't talk to anyone under 50. There's no law about that. I've got friends with
08:15kids in their teens, friends with kids in their 20s, and what is being portrayed online? You go to jail
08:23for asking a woman out. No, you don't. Can you find some bizarre outlier? Sure you can. Sure you
08:30can. People win the lottery, but it's not a good plan for your life. Can you find weird outliers?
08:37Sure. And prior to the internet, they would remain weird outliers that you'd never hear about,
08:44but because of the internet, it goes to be amplified, and our statistical brain hasn't caught
08:49up to the internet yet, right? So when we see this kind of stuff, oh, it's amplified, it's repeated.
08:52Oh my God, it must be super common. But the number of times I've seen these stories that just,
08:58you know, a guy went to jail for asking a woman out, and you start to dig into it, and it's not the
09:02case. It's not the case. Yeah, women are jumpy. I mean, listen, guys, talk to women, ask them about
09:12any potential stalker stories. It's not just Jodie Foster. It happens. So yeah, women are a little
09:19nervous. Women are a little jumpy. Women still also want to date men. The majority of them want to get
09:23married, have kids. All right, enough of me, but enough of my yapping. Sage is a great name. It is an
09:33elder priest of wisdom. What's on your mind? You will need to unmute. I'm all ears. Hello, I'm not so
09:39much an elder, but I do like to speak words of wisdom when I can. Well, now's the time. I don't
09:46have too much. I'm more looking for wisdom from you. Around two days ago, me and my girlfriend split
09:54up over three years, and we've been living each other for those entire three years. Sorry, did you
10:03say you've been loving each other? Oh, living with each other. Living with each other. Sorry about that.
10:07Go ahead. Plenty of love within those three years, but two of us weren't making each other happy
10:13enough, so we split up. And I've been mostly focused on trying to adopt a egoist mindset
10:22after reading Objectivism when I was 18, 19. But I find that introspection hasn't been
10:30helping me, and I feel like I'm not finding the right questions to ask or the right things to do.
10:37And you would say that you and your girlfriend loved each other, right?
10:40Yeah, we had a pretty good relationship up until the end.
10:45So you loved each other?
10:46Yeah.
10:47Okay. So can we give her a name that's not her name?
10:52Sure, you can call her Naomi.
10:53Naomi. Okay, that's a nice name. All right. So what did you love about Naomi?
11:00Naomi. She had an amazing humor. She was smart in her own different ways and not so smart in
11:08others. Very beautiful. She had a personality that I want to see throughout the end, really.
11:16It was someone I wanted to marry.
11:17Okay, so she was funny, she was smart, and not smart, and what else?
11:27She was pretty. She was beautiful, right? Physically beautiful?
11:32I wouldn't say she's an intellectual, but she was smart in her own fields.
11:38Okay, so she was beautiful, funny, and well, nobody can be smart at everything. So she was beautiful, she was funny, and she was smart, right?
11:45Yeah. Okay. So, what about her moral virtues?
11:51I don't think she really thought about that herself. I tried to...
11:56I'm not asking what she thought about, because she's not here.
12:00Moral virtues.
12:01What moral virtues did you see in Naomi?
12:04Well, there were some red flags at the beginning. She never really wanted children. She was iffy on getting married,
12:12but around two years in, she was looking more forward to her
12:17moral virtues.
12:20I don't quite know.
12:22Because everything you're describing is kind of hedonistic.
12:26I'm not calling you a hedonist, but everything you did...
12:28Okay, she's pretty to look at. Okay, that's nice. There's nothing wrong with that.
12:31But it's kind of hedonistic.
12:33She made me laugh. Well, that's laughter is a pleasure, and
12:36that's kind of hedonistic. And again, it's not that making people laugh is bad.
12:39It's, you know, it's just not really a moral virtue. There's lots of completely screwed up
12:43comedians, right? Louis C.K., etc., etc., right? Lenny Bruce.
12:47So, that's not... You know, she's smart. Okay, I mean, I guess that's nice.
12:52If it's smart in her field, it doesn't really impact you, but
12:54all of these things that you're talking about are things that give pleasure to you.
12:58And again, there's nothing wrong with... Of course, partners are supposed to give pleasure to each other.
13:03But it's all about hedonism.
13:04It doesn't sound like... It doesn't sound like you admired her morally. Now, do you want to have
13:10kids?
13:11In the future, yeah.
13:13Well, of course it's in the future. I'm not talking about right now.
13:17You're right.
13:18Your arm and copy-paste. Okay, so you want to have kids, and she didn't want to have kids.
13:24Yeah, I think she was more terrified of pregnancy rather than the actual children.
13:29Sorry, she was more terrified of what?
13:31Pregnancy.
13:33Okay, well, whatever. I mean, you wanted to have kids, and she didn't want to have kids.
13:38Sure, yeah.
13:39So, don't agree with me like I'm telling you something. That's what I got from what you said.
13:43Just confirm. If I got something wrong, let me know.
13:46I mean, like, it's... We sort of agreed maybe in the future it would be a possibility to get
13:52surrogacy, or... Adoption was on the question, but I wasn't interested in that.
13:58I don't really know...
13:59She didn't want to have children. Just don't... Let's not complicate things, man.
14:03She didn't want to have kids. You want to have kids. Your own kids. Not surrogacy. Not adoption, right?
14:07Fair enough, yeah.
14:09Wait, is that true?
14:10Well, she never really outright said that, but I would assume that, like, that's the case.
14:15Like, I don't... I never thought she would...
14:17Sorry, but you had... Hang on. My God, man.
14:20What's all this fog? I don't understand.
14:22She had a conversation about having kids. She said she didn't want to get pregnant,
14:25but she might be open to surrogacy or adoption, right?
14:28Yeah, but there's never been, like, an area of full confidence in this. It's always been, like,
14:33oh, I don't know about this, and I don't know about that. It's like, I can't really walk away
14:37with a certain answer.
14:38Okay. So, if you want to have kids, and she doesn't want to have kids, how old are you?
14:43I'm 22.
14:4422. So, she doesn't want to have kids, and you... She doesn't want to have kids, you want to have kids,
14:48then why be together? But that's the hedonism, right? She was fun. She was pretty. She made
14:55you laugh.
14:56I don't know if... I guess it could be viewed as hedonist, and I couldn't really... Like,
15:02I was... And I was never fully in for it or any, like, sexual desire. I guess you could
15:07say emotional pleasure.
15:10So, I'm...
15:10You weren't in it. You're a young man, and you weren't in a relationship with a beautiful
15:14woman for anything to do with sexual desire?
15:18Not anything. Of course, it's a bonus. But by the time we met, I was a bundle of troubles.
15:23I didn't have much of a high libido. I was mostly looking for emotional fulfillment.
15:30But...
15:30What do you mean by a bundle of troubles?
15:31When I was 18 or 19, I had huge insomniatic problems. And the NHS had prescribed me a bucket
15:44load of antidepressants and sleeping pills, which nine of them really worked. So, I was
15:49in a very chaotic period for a long time. And that's when I tried to get into philosophy
15:56and try to sort my life out. And, well, she was really the first person that I got with
16:01when I got my shit together.
16:04Okay. Well, I'm sorry to hear about that. That's very tough. And I want to express my
16:08deep, deep sympathies for that. So, why do you think that Naomi got together with you if
16:13when you first met her, you were a mess?
16:16I guess you could say I was being a bit deceptive. I wasn't really showing my emotion to much
16:22people, but she was in a bit of a emotional trouble when I met her. I guess I was her
16:30superman. She... I think she recently got caught smoking dope, and her parents wanted to crucify
16:38her. So, I was just there to, like, help her out and give her a place to stay.
16:44Sorry. So, when you say recently, you mean back when you met?
16:49Oh, sorry. Yeah. Sorry. I mean, it's getting a bit of time dilation here.
16:53When I was in bed.
16:54Okay. So, what you're saying is that her parents were kicking her out for smoking dope, and
16:58she needed a place to stay?
17:01Rather, she didn't want to go back home, and she wanted a place to stay.
17:04Huh. Okay. And what was it that caused the relationship to end?
17:10Well, I think it was a... Over the past year, there was just less and less emotion or sex with
17:18each other. And just a week ago, she spent a trip with all of her friends in Madeira,
17:25and she realized that she's much happier around her friends than she's at home with me. So,
17:32she decided to split things off.
17:35Again, I'm really sorry to hear that. That's... How is your heart, my friend? How is your soul?
17:40Well, it's... You know, it's coping. It's a three-year relationship gone. I can... All I can
17:46really do is cope with it. But I know for the long term, it's going to be better for me.
17:51So, that tidbit is helping me out a lot.
17:55Okay. Yeah. So, I mean, I'm very sorry for this, because it's three years of... It's not wasted time,
18:02exactly. But it's not what you wanted. I assume that you guys wanted to stay together. So,
18:07I mean, nobody really gets into a marriage hoping to get divorced, and nobody really gets into a
18:10relationship hoping to break up. So... But... And what I would suggest going forward, just a minor
18:15suggestion, but it can have major impacts, is really look for the moral virtues. Honesty, integrity,
18:20courage. If you find people who are morally...
18:32It's our emotional response to love. Sorry, virtue. Sorry, love is our emotional response to virtue.
18:44And it's...
18:46And that you can trust the person is going to be there. They have integrity.
18:54They have commitment. Well, that's the only chance for genuine, sustainable love is to...
19:07inspires me. And hopefully, of course, you will also have virtues that inspire her. And that is the
19:23best way...
19:25basis of dating. It's the best way to choose a mother for your children. So...
19:31Right.
19:31My sympathy, so I'm going to move on to the next caller, but I wish you the very best.
19:34Do you have any...
19:36Do you have any literary works I could read on my time off?
19:40Sure. Freedomain.com slash books.
19:43A bit more specific to what case, if you have any.
19:47I've already read...
19:48Freedomain.com slash... Yeah, Freedomain.com slash books.
19:50The God of Atheists is a good one for relationships.
19:54Gotta be.
19:55And I would say also The Present, my novel The Present, will also help with relationships.
20:00So I wish you the very best. Hope we can chat again, and thanks for the call.
20:03Thank you very much.
20:05All right, from a tale of drug use, we now move to the High Council.
20:10If you want to unmute, I'm on it.
20:12Stefan, how's it going?
20:14Listen, you know, a lot of this philosophy, like, trying to get men to get together with women is all good, and I'm all for it.
20:26I'm 26 years old.
20:28I've dated one girl in my life, and it didn't work out.
20:33But I wanted to ask you a question about, you know, sort of the war that's going on.
20:40You know, there's sort of a war going on, and it is for the soul.
20:44And biodigital convergence, you know, is really a big part of it.
20:51And vaccinations...
20:54Okay, I'm starting to get my nerves down a little bit.
20:56I get a little nervous when I'm talking to a bunch of people.
20:59Yeah, and listen, I understand, and I sympathize.
21:03One of the things that can be really helpful, I do this before I get speeches, just jot down, you know, you've got 10 minutes to wait.
21:10Just jot down your major points, and then you won't have to sort of free-ball it when you get the mic.
21:15Right.
21:16My major point is that, you know, we have to address the underlying issue, which I think, you know, is, like, childhood vaccine schedules and stuff like that.
21:27Because I think a lot of the problems that people have trying to get into relationships today is, like, a certain level of distrust or, you know, some psychological damage.
21:37Obviously, autism is a big part of it.
21:39But I think, you know, what the medical system has done since 1989 has really damaged a lot of people in ways that, you know, they just don't understand how to recover from.
21:51Or, like, you know, think, you know, to your point, feel hopeless about it.
21:55So, I was just wondering if you are aware of that stuff.
21:58Do you know of an attorney named Todd Callender who has sued the Department of Defense for, you know, all the COVID stuff, obviously?
22:07Obviously, my major point is we're in, like, a giant, we're in a war, basically.
22:13And there, you know, I just want your perspective on it, you know, because I know we try to get through.
22:20Okay, bro, bro.
22:21I mean, you got to ask me a question that, I mean, we've covered, like, five different topics, right?
22:26Right.
22:27So, you're going to have to boil it down a little for my aging brain.
22:30Okay, well, what do you say to the people who are autistic, who are damaged by vaccines, who can't, you know, it's hard for them to connect with people?
22:44I'm not sure what you mean by what would I say to them.
22:47I'm not sure what you mean.
22:48Can you be a bit more specific?
22:49What advice could you give to someone who's damaged?
22:53Again, that's, you actually went less specific, not more specific.
22:58Like, you asked, what would I say to people who have autism?
23:01And I said, can you be more specific?
23:02And you said, well, what would you say to people who are damaged, which is just about everyone?
23:06So, again, I'm going to need things to be a bit more precise and specific because I want to add value, right?
23:12And if you go to a restaurant and you say, bring me something that a human being could potentially digest, then you're probably not going to get the meal you want, right?
23:19You've got to be a bit more specific about what you want.
23:22Well, I guess I don't know what I want.
23:25I want, I just want justice, man.
23:27I don't know.
23:28I just, I think, I think we're, I'm just angry.
23:32I'm angry.
23:33No, listen, I get, I get that.
23:34And I, I, I'm not going to try and talk you out of any of that.
23:37But if you say, hang on, hang on, hang on.
23:41If you say my happiness depends on powerful evildoers being brought to justice, will you ever be happy?
23:52No.
23:53No, that's the way of the world.
23:55I mean, that's the way of the world.
23:58At least at the moment, right?
23:59We can hope that in some generations we will have a better world.
24:03And there's things that we can do around love and having children and raising them well.
24:07That is going to definitely add to that.
24:10But look, ideas are a lot about, and I'm not saying this is good.
24:16I'm not saying this is right.
24:17I'm just saying it is.
24:19Would you ever buy a diet book from a fat guy with a fat guy on the cover, like a fat author?
24:26Obviously not.
24:27Right.
24:27So if you want people to listen to your ideas, then you have to have some level of success first, right?
24:37I mean, if I was talking like Tom Likas, right?
24:41If I was talking about relationships and I'd been divorced three times, would you listen to me?
24:48Well, I think, why not?
24:50Because you have experience.
24:52Well, I wouldn't listen to someone like that because all they would have is failure.
24:58Now, they might say to me, like, you know, the guy who's dying of lung cancer might say to you, don't smoke.
25:03And that doesn't mean that he's wrong for that, right?
25:06I mean, I tell people, you know, maybe looking to get hitched up a little younger, and I didn't do it till my 30s, but that's because I was missing this kind of wisdom.
25:14So if you want people to listen to you, first of all, you have to have some level of success yourself.
25:22Like I go, there's this ridiculous back and forth on X where somebody today said to me about a tweet, you could have cut out the first three sentences.
25:31And I went and this guy has like, I don't know, 150 followers or whatever it was, 47 followers, right?
25:37Now, I'm not trying to shame the guy, but if you're going to tell me how to write tweets, then I'm going to expect that you have some level of success.
25:46Or at least say, listen, I know I only have this many followers, but here's what I think you could do to improve.
25:51At least address it.
25:53But I don't go to Leonardo DiCaprio and say, hey, man, here's how to pick up young models, right?
25:59When Marlon Brando was alive, I wouldn't go and give him acting advice, even though I've had some acting training myself.
26:05There's a certain amount of, I don't go to grandmasters in chess and tell them how to play chess.
26:10I respect expertise.
26:13And if you're going to say to someone, you need to listen to my ideas, then you can't be miserable.
26:20Sorry, is there music playing in the background there?
26:22No, that's just a leaf blower.
26:26Oh, okay.
26:28So, okay, that's fine.
26:29It's out of your hands.
26:29No, that's fine.
26:30So, listen, hang on, hang on, hang on.
26:33I'm not done.
26:33I'm not done.
26:34I'm just going to interrupt you by the leaf blower thing.
26:36Do you think you sound happy?
26:38No, I definitely have a level of anger in me, but I want, I don't know.
26:42I guess I want people to fight the right fight, you know?
26:44And I think you got to look into Todd Callender.
26:48Everyone in here has to look into Todd Callender.
26:50Truth be told, Vax Joyce, we have to, we have to overturn this, we have to frigging overturn
26:56this system.
26:57You got to fight the right fight.
26:58Listen.
26:58Okay, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
27:00I'm just trying to make a point.
27:01Hang on, hang on, hang on.
27:02Okay.
27:03What do you think the odds are?
27:05How old are you?
27:0726.
27:0826, all right.
27:09So, you kind of got to get dating and married in the next five to ten years maximum, right?
27:15Right.
27:15If that's what you want, right?
27:16Okay.
27:16What do you think the odds are that the system is going to be overturned in the next five
27:23to ten years?
27:25The odds?
27:27I don't know.
27:29Overturned by whom, exactly?
27:32No, no.
27:32You said we've got to overturn the system, right?
27:35Okay.
27:36So, I'm just asking you, right?
27:38This is my business mind, right?
27:39People say to me, I have a plan.
27:41Okay.
27:42Well, what are the odds of that plan succeeding, right?
27:44So, what do you, what would you place the odds at the system being overturned, whatever
27:49that means, in the next five to ten years?
27:53100%.
27:54It's 100%?
27:56100%.
27:57Go on.
27:59Well, I mean, if you take a look at all the AI stuff, the digital currency, the social credit
28:07system stuff, I mean, is that not a system being overturned?
28:11Is that not, you know, what we previously had in place being overturned?
28:17I think, you know, I think that's, that's totally happening.
28:20You know, there's people talking, you know, there's fucking bankers talking about this
28:24stuff, you know, Larry?
28:25Okay, so, I'm just going to take you at face value, that the system that you object to so
28:29much is going to 100% be overturned in the next five to ten years because of AI and stuff
28:33like that, right?
28:35Yeah.
28:35So, then, you don't need to do anything.
28:36You can just focus on finding a good woman, settling down, getting married, having some
28:41kids.
28:42That's 100%, right?
28:43I'm with you 100%, but this is about all of us.
28:47This is about humanity, okay?
28:49No, don't, don't, don't give me this abstract nonsense, man.
28:51This is about all of us.
28:52And nobody even knows what that means.
28:54So, then, if you 100% believe that the system is 100% going to be changed or overturned
29:02radically over the next sort of five to ten years.
29:03Okay, let's say 99%.
29:04No, no, no, no.
29:051% being if we actually, you know, get up off our ass and, like, start talking about these
29:11things and telling people and, you know, get to the bottom of, you know, get to the core
29:15of the rot.
29:15There was a, there was a rotting core that's going to kill us all.
29:19It's like the snake eating its own tail, okay?
29:20Okay, you are, you are full of useless analogies.
29:23Get to the root of the rot.
29:25It's like, if you can't try, you know, you're, you're like somebody in the business world,
29:29and I've met people in the business world who are just like, you know, we've, we've got
29:33to capture, you know, 16% of the widget market in China.
29:36And it's like, sure.
29:37Okay, but how?
29:39What's your practical plan?
29:40How is it measurable?
29:41Because what you're doing is you're calling in and you're talking about things that you
29:46want to change.
29:46I'm calling in, I'm talking about what we need to do and where we need to go.
29:51No, you haven't said, no, you've, you've just, you've just got a wish, you've got a, no,
29:54you've got a wish list.
29:55You've got a wish list of abstract change with no particular details or a plan.
30:00Hey, some people are going to come out of this more informed.
30:02Okay, I think so.
30:04So my suggestion is if something has a 99% chance of happening without your input, then
30:11you should focus on getting married, having kids, because then you're going to have a
30:17very big effect on obviously a smaller number of people, but you're going to have a very
30:22big effect on the, let's say you have three kids, whatever, you're going to have a big
30:25effect on those kids.
30:27Those kids are going to grow up and have three kids, each of their own.
30:29And you start, you know, you're continuing the whole legacy dynasty thing.
30:33And given that it's 99% likely that you're going to, that the system's going to change
30:38on its own, then why didn't you call me up and say, what's the best way I can find a
30:42good woman rather than windbagging on about all of this abstract stuff with no particular
30:47plan?
30:48Well, I guess my plan in getting in here was to just get people to start looking at other
30:53directions and, you know, at other sort of, you know, you have to, you have to fucking
30:58be informed, you know, you have to be informed about these things, man.
31:02I'm sorry.
31:03I just, I'm flustered, but.
31:06Well, you're flustered because you don't have a plan.
31:08You have a, I want to share some stuff and I'm angry at the world.
31:13And listen, I'm not, look, there's annoying stuff in the world.
31:16Absolutely.
31:16But do you think you're putting yourself forward as an inspiring leader or do you just sound
31:24kind of pissed off, frustrated, and annoyed?
31:27I definitely sound pissed off, frustrated, and annoyed.
31:30I need to sound more inspiring for sure.
31:33Well, I have a plan.
31:35I want to change the world and the way that we change it is through parenting.
31:38I have a plan and I've got the data.
31:39I've got the facts.
31:40I've got the research.
31:41I've interviewed the experts.
31:42I have a plan.
31:43I have a practical plan.
31:44You have an unactionable wish list.
31:48And I say this because I want you to be happy.
31:50And right now you're 26 years old and you're not married.
31:55You have no plan for kids.
31:57You're just talking about websites and vaccines and autism.
32:01You know, I sympathize and I understand, but I'm giving you something actionable, something
32:07that you can do.
32:08And I think your frustration is that you have a goal, which is changing the system, but you
32:14have no practical plan other than be annoyed and tell people about websites.
32:20You got me.
32:22I'm doing this because I care.
32:24I want you to be happy.
32:25I really do.
32:26I want you to be happy and you need to have an actionable plan.
32:31Thank you for that.
32:31You are very welcome.
32:32And listen, I wish you the best.
32:33You're welcome back anytime and just make a plan to fall in love.
32:37And through falling in love, you'll get the kind of support and enthusiasm and happiness
32:41that you need to be a much more effective leader.
32:43But if you're a sort of pissed off voice in the wilderness, it's really tough to get
32:46people to listen.
32:47And there's this funny thing that's going on because I've been away from X for like half
32:51a decade.
32:51That's funny thing going on where people think they don't actually have to have credibility
32:55in order to make arguments.
32:58It's like, well, you should judge me just by the merit of my arguments.
33:00And it's like, no, I don't.
33:03I don't.
33:04I, if you're holding, if you're holding the tennis racket the wrong way, I don't need
33:09to see you play.
33:10I'm not talking about you.
33:11I'm just talking about other people on X, right?
33:12So yeah, you, you have to build up credibility, but people would much rather talk about what
33:17they want or what other people should do rather than do the tough work of building
33:20up credibility themselves.
33:22All right.
33:24We are one L short of an ally.
33:26Ailey, I hear movement.
33:29Hi, can you hear me?
33:30Yes.
33:30Yes.
33:31Go ahead.
33:32Hi, Stefan.
33:33I just found you recently, which blows my mind because I'm, so I have to listen to all
33:38your stuff and I'm super excited that you're doing these lives because I have a really,
33:42well, important to me question to ask you.
33:45I have two daughters, 16 and 14 and a 24 year old son and I grew up brainwashed by the liberal
33:56Democrat cult, basically like a lot of people, maybe almost everyone.
34:02Oh yeah, I'm with you there.
34:04I was just saying, same, same.
34:05Go ahead.
34:06Yeah.
34:07So by the grace of God, I didn't have an abortion with my son who I had young.
34:12And so I'm able to use that as a reference point, teaching my children and I've since
34:17become a Christian and that's been wonderful.
34:20But I guess my question is to prioritize family ahead of career.
34:24I know they need to get married, you know.
34:32Well, since you have a daughter about the same age, I'm just wondering, you know, how
34:43do you balance wanting, you know, you want to somewhat encourage them in their talent.
34:53Of course, I say, you know, just make it something flexible.
34:57You can work around your family, but you don't completely want.
35:02So how do you, how do you balance that out and how do you guide.
35:14And all that.
35:16Yeah, it's tough.
35:17I mean, I, obviously I don't.
35:21I'd like to have some good years as a granddad.
35:23And if she, you know, gets in general, I think that the approach is, you know, you put yourself
35:36out there and you meet people and you talk to people as a man or a woman, but until you
35:40meet that right person, it's sort of out of your hands.
35:43Right now, of course, when you start to meet that right person or you think you might've
35:46met that right person, then you've got to, you know, work to, to make it work and all
35:49of that.
35:50So I think, you know, being out there in the world, whether it's in the business sense
35:53or at college or whatever, it's totally fine, but you need to be looking for quality people.
35:58It's not just there for fun and hedonism and, and drinking and, and all of that.
36:02Not that my daughter wants to do any of that sort of stuff, but I'm just talking in more
36:05general terms.
36:06But to say that you have to be receptive to a virtuous man for your daughters and a
36:15virtuous woman for your son, you have to be receptive.
36:18You have to be virtuous yourself.
36:19The readiness is all you have to be ready because you never know when that perfect person
36:25is going to come into your life.
36:26For me, it just happened to be because a friend of mine was joining a volleyball league and I
36:31like volleyball and that's how I met my wife and because, you know, she's not very tall.
36:36So I'm glad it wasn't basketball.
36:38So you have, but, but I, I'd already gone to therapy.
36:41I'd really worked on philosophy.
36:42I worked in my virtues and integrity.
36:45And so when she came into my life, I was ready.
36:48If she'd come into my life when I was younger, I don't think I would have been ready.
36:51I don't think I would have been as prepared.
36:53So the preparation is everything.
36:56You still have to live while you're waiting for the right person and not just waiting, but
37:00talking to people and trying to find the right person.
37:03You still have to have some kind of life and, you know, maybe that's a bit of college.
37:07If you can find some place that's not super woke, maybe that's working or maybe that's
37:12trying your hand at something entrepreneurial or all of those things are great and fun and
37:19working on your virtues, working on your integrity, working in your honesty and directness
37:23is going to pay off dividends in business.
37:25It's going to pay off dividends.
37:26Well, probably not at a work school, but maybe at other schools.
37:28And certainly when you meet that person who could just be right for you, you really want
37:33to be ready with your virtues.
37:34So if you tell your kids to keep working on the virtues, keep being out there and meeting
37:40people, then they will be ready when that right person comes along.
37:45Now, you can't just sit them and say, well, you've got to be on hold.
37:48We're going to cryogenically freeze you until the right person comes along.
37:51They're not going to work out because they've got to have a life, right?
37:53So I know that's a little bit abstract, but all we can do is work on our virtues.
37:59Like I can't control how people respond to me.
38:02I can't control the autism schedule.
38:05Sorry, the vaccine schedule.
38:07I can't control whether people take boosters.
38:09All I can control is the honesty and directness that I have in my communication and hopefully
38:14have built up some credibility with a fairly decent life of good virtue.
38:19I can't control anything outside of that.
38:23So saying, well, you have to get married young.
38:25It's like, well, no, you have to work on your virtues and you have to be out there in
38:28the world so people can meet you outside of that.
38:30It's a little bit beyond your hands.
38:32So focus really on the things that you can do the most to control and be ready for the
38:36right circumstance.
38:37Like I was into computer programming for like 15 years.
38:40I started programming when I was like 11 years old and I was into computers for, I don't
38:46know, like, sorry, 13 or 14 years.
38:48And then an opportunity came along to co-found a software company and I just was ready then.
38:55And I wouldn't have been ready if I hadn't done all of that work ahead of time.
38:59And I, you know, went to theater school, learned how to public speak.
39:02I studied philosophy and the economics and history for 20 years before I picked up a microphone
39:11in my car and started yelling at invisible people while I was in traffic.
39:16Like, so if you prepare your virtues, if you prepare your knowledge, if you prepare your
39:21integrity, you'll be ready for just about anything that happens.
39:24And that's the work that I suggest parents tell their children to focus on rather than
39:28giving them specific goals that require somebody else's participation.
39:32You know, you need to get married.
39:33Well, yeah, if you find the right person.
39:35But the best way to find the right person is to be ready for the right person and be out
39:38in the world.
39:38Does that make sense?
39:39Yeah, it sounds like what you're saying is that what I should focus on for them is just
39:46maybe modeling virtues that I want them to also have and encouraging them in their virtues
39:54so that no matter what happens in their life, because you're right, you can't really control
39:59what your kids do anyways.
40:01And that's a fool's errand.
40:03No, and they can't control when love might wander into their life.
40:07Yeah, yeah, yeah.
40:09But they can control whether they'll be ready for it with the right virtues and morals.
40:13Right.
40:14No, that makes really good sense.
40:17And yeah, that's super helpful because I've been thinking about this a lot, a lot lately.
40:22And I would say it's even harder for my son.
40:25You know, he lives in California and God help him with the dating out there.
40:33It's well, I mean, you might want to follow Mike Cernovich because he talks about this from
40:38time to time because he lives in California and everyone says, oh, how can you live in
40:42California?
40:42It's so leftist.
40:43And he's like, not all of it.
40:45No, not all of it.
40:47There's lots of pockets of more conservative and non left-leaning people in California.
40:53I mean, as you know, California is not one big, giant blob of semi-socialism, but there
40:58are lots of pockets where there are much more reasonable people.
41:00And I'm sure that your son can find some location where that's happening.
41:05Yeah, definitely.
41:06No.
41:06Yeah.
41:07Thanks for your advice.
41:08That's wonderful.
41:09I'm definitely going to marinate on that.
41:10I appreciate it.
41:11And I love listening to your lives.
41:13So thanks again.
41:15Thanks.
41:15I really appreciate that.
41:16So excellent question.
41:18All right.
41:18Let's see one more.
41:20Barcode.
41:21Going once, going twice.
41:22Are we going to have an ignominious end of dead air to the show?
41:27Wait, all right.
41:28No.
41:29Barcode.
41:29Barcode.
41:30What else though?
41:31Hey, or if so.
41:33I'll do a run, man.
41:34What are we doing?
41:35What's going on today?
41:36I just kind of jumped in.
41:38Do you have a question or a comment?
41:40A criticism?
41:41I'm glad you're here.
41:43You know, I saw a lot of the long form videos on YouTube before they tried to sharpen everybody's
41:47brain into a fucking focus coma with the shorts, you know, like 15 seconds, five seconds,
41:52you know, before I just handle everybody's brains, you know what I mean?
41:56Right, right.
41:57So anyways, it was just as, this is weird.
42:00You know, I'm in X and scrolling around in a brain drip dopamine land.
42:04And then I was able to stop here for a minute.
42:06I actually sat here for a minute, you know, sit and scroll forever.
42:10Well, I appreciate that.
42:11And welcome to the conversation.
42:12I, you know, absorb, absorb, and I'm happy to hear your comments as you slurp up more
42:17tasty syllables of potential wisdom.
42:19We'll try to comprehend what I can.
42:21You know what I mean?
42:22It's a, it's like a word salad gets thrown at you digitally through somebody else's kaleidoscope
42:26and, you know, you're, you end up shredding the lettuce.
42:29I don't know if that makes any sense.
42:30You know, it's, that's, that's where NPC and somebody thinking their own thoughts comes
42:34from is trying to figure it out.
42:36All right.
42:37Well, I appreciate that.
42:38I'm going to move to another caller.
42:39Thank you for your follow.
42:41And thank you for your interest in philosophy.
42:43Okay.
42:43Hi.
42:44Could be a, could be a troll.
42:45Could be a troll.
42:46Hi, Stan.
42:47Nah.
42:48Hang on.
42:48We got Stefani Molly meme.
42:51He's on the line.
42:53Oh, I'm sorry.
42:53Did I get skipped?
42:55Oh, if so facto.
42:56Yeah.
42:56I called in you a couple of minutes ago.
42:57No, that was if so facto speaking.
42:59I was barcode.
43:00I was just waiting my turn.
43:01Oh, barcode.
43:02Sorry about that.
43:03Yeah.
43:03Okay.
43:03Did you not hear when I was?
43:05No, I did.
43:05He just started speaking.
43:06So I waited for him to finish.
43:08Sorry about that.
43:08All right.
43:09I'm all ears, man.
43:09What's on your mind?
43:10So I have a conundrum.
43:13I'm listening to all this talk about dating and marriage and definitely marry early is generally
43:18a good idea.
43:19I made the mistake of, you know, not living as morally as I should have in my twenties.
43:25I'm now early thirties, approaching mid thirties.
43:29I spent about probably four years with one woman and I caught her cheating, like emotionally.
43:35So we broke up, then I dated another woman for two years and she, we just had incompatible
43:41worldviews.
43:43You know, she was a Protestant, I'm Catholic and I was trying to return to that kind of
43:47faith.
43:48And she, we just had incompatibility because she came out full-blown, full-blown feminist,
43:55didn't want to, you know, get married, have kids, live the traditional lifestyle.
43:59So, so, sorry, that happened over the course of your relationship.
44:03Yeah.
44:04Yeah.
44:04Like when we first met, you know, we seemed to have the same goals in mind and then sort
44:09of, so you seemed to, or you did, we did like, we had these conversations early on and then
44:15COVID happened and something, it was just political incompatibility.
44:19And suddenly she started seeing men as the enemy.
44:22And then we just kind of split and diverged from there.
44:25Now, because of COVID, she started seeing men as the enemy.
44:27I think, I mean, part of it, it was, it's just like the social media.
44:31It seemed like, you know, we, we went in different circles.
44:35It sort of came on quite rapidly, like over six to 12 months period.
44:40You could just see like her feed.
44:42If you would, if I would watch TikTok with her, a lot of it was just anti-man and like
44:47pro-women.
44:48And, you know, I have to be very careful to curate my own feeds such that I don't get
44:53sucked into these MGTOW stuff and all the negativity and the constant battle between
44:59the sexes.
45:00But she just kind of like, you know, sink into it.
45:03Yeah.
45:03So, I mean, the, the present state I'm at now is I'm, I've been seeing this girl for
45:07on and off for three years.
45:10She's non-political, which may.
45:14We've had serious relationship troubles.
45:18We stopped talking for a couple of months, then we got back together.
45:22I'm at an age now in my early, mid thirties where it's.
45:29For something that's, that's going to probably be more stable.
45:35One or two.
45:37I, I don't know.
45:44Talking for a couple of months.
45:46Yeah.
45:46All right.
45:47So the top two problems are my family and friends despise her and.
46:05Union in England.
46:07And then she also.
46:11This man.
46:12And how did she ruin the wedding?
46:14So this brings me to like her second, the second biggest problem is I think she genuinely
46:19has bipolar disorder and maybe.
46:23Okay.
46:23So why, why are you with her?
46:25Because in the moments where she's not ruining weddings or freaking out from social anxiety,
46:31she's quite lovely.
46:32She's smart.
46:34She's funny.
46:35We get along.
46:36She's beautiful.
46:37You know, and especially in like.
46:38She's hot.
46:39She's hot.
46:39Yes.
46:40And also, you know, in private, like.
46:42Okay, bro.
46:43She's generally nice.
46:44Okay.
46:44You're not a kid.
46:45I'm going to be hot.
46:46All right.
46:46I'm going to be hot.
46:47No, I know.
46:48You're not a kid.
46:49What is dating for?
46:52Marriage.
46:53What is marriage for?
46:56Children.
46:57Will she be a great mother?
47:00Maybe.
47:01Oh, come on, man.
47:03You're telling me everything I need to know about your mother.
47:05But objectively, will she be a great mother?
47:10She did say, if I marry her, when we get divorced, I can keep the kids in my house.
47:16Okay.
47:16Are you trolling me at this point?
47:18No.
47:19Genuinely, she said that.
47:20You can't be this unserious and almost middle-aged.
47:23Oh, all right.
47:25Come on.
47:25You think this is some kind of joke?
47:28No, but it's also.
47:29Why are you doing some comedy routine about exposing your children to a crazy mother?
47:35I mean, I don't know.
47:36I'm laughing to keep from crying here, right?
47:38It's like.
47:39Okay.
47:39Well, let's be honest then.
47:41I mean, I'm too old to start over is the truth of it.
47:45And it's like, do I go without children or like poach some young woman just to, you know,
47:51have kids?
47:51Listen, you are not too old to have children.
47:55I had a kid.
47:56I was 40, 41, something like that, right?
47:58You know, you're not too old to have children, but you got to get a little more fucking serious
48:05about what you're doing.
48:07It's true.
48:08I mean.
48:15Are you completely just thinking?
48:18I mean, is it, is it that?
48:25Is it just the sin of lust?
48:29Like a more trad con girl between.
48:32Yeah.
48:48Well, well, then what happens is you've kind of burned out your neurons managing crazy
48:57women.
48:57And you're like, you have to be, you know, like there are people who, who get addicted
49:01to only like massive amounts of sugar or fat or salt or like they, they just can't taste
49:10normal food.
49:11That's actually good for them because they've jammed all of these hyperkinetic receptors
49:16onto their taste buds for years.
49:17Right.
49:18That makes a lot of sense.
49:20So what would you.
49:21You are, you are in the final stages of hedonism, which is you've got to cool your jets and start
49:27to find pleasure in stuff.
49:29That's not an extreme because you've made dating about your dick, not about what's going
49:36to be best for your future children.
49:38And listen, I sympathize.
49:40I'm, I'm not, I'm not scowling at you from some high place of superiority.
49:44I sympathize.
49:45We've all been there as men.
49:46We've all been there as men.
49:47I mean, if we're any kind of dater, right?
49:50It's the siren, right?
49:51The lure, right?
49:52The, the, the, the crazy intense woman who's a rollercoaster and, and it is exciting and
49:58it's stimulating and there's highs and lows and there's lots of drama and, and so on.
50:03Right.
50:03It's not a documentary on snails.
50:06It's doing cocaine and jumping from a plane.
50:08Right.
50:09So I get all of that.
50:11And like most people, and I've certainly had my experiences with hedonism.
50:15So again, I'm not lecturing from any superior place here.
50:19I'm just passing along some pretty hard one wisdom is there's no pleasure in the long run
50:25like stability.
50:27It makes a lot of sense because you're sort of the equivalent of the binge purge, right?
50:32Like there's no, there's nothing really that's better in the long run than a, a decent meal
50:37and a predictable weight as opposed to I'm up 40 pounds.
50:41I'm down 50 pounds.
50:43I'm up 20 pounds.
50:44That's bad for your system and, and all of that.
50:47And so, uh, you know, if you want to do a call in show, we can talk about this route,
50:52the roots of this.
50:53I have to go shortly, but, uh, the roots of this is that, I mean, come on, your parents
50:58had to have some kind of unstable relationship.
51:00You had to have some kind of wiring hooked up.
51:03That's, that's accurate.
51:04I'd say.
51:05Right.
51:05So you're used to that, right?
51:07Yeah.
51:08So you're used to that.
51:09You're used to paste what your dad does, right?
51:14Uh, did your dad marry an unstable woman?
51:16I'd say so.
51:17Yeah.
51:23Successful.
51:24And we, our genes program us to do what is sexually successful.
51:28Cause if we don't do what's sexually successful, that makes a lot of sense.
51:38You have to, you have to challenge that.
51:49Seems to have cooled off and, you know, they're best friends.
51:58How are their kids doing?
52:00I'm successful.
52:01My two brothers are not well.
52:03What do you mean you're successful?
52:04You're dating a chick who ruins weddings.
52:10I know.
52:11I'm talking about love.
52:12Yeah.
52:13That's.
52:16It's wisdom.
52:18So are any of his children successful in love?
52:23Yeah.
52:24Well, I mean, my younger brother's married, so he, he managed.
52:28He's not working.
52:29Is he happy?
52:29Is he happily married?
52:31I, I don't know if he's happy.
52:34Shouldn't you?
52:34I mean, your siblings, don't you talk?
52:36No, we don't speak anymore.
52:38He's, he lost.
52:40I'm not going to get into it.
52:41Another time.
52:42So, so his kids are not particularly happy in that at least two of his children don't even speak to each other.
52:48You're not married and dating a crazy girl.
52:50What about your other brother?
52:52He's a lead.
52:53I'm also not speaking to him.
52:54So.
52:55Okay.
52:56So if your father's happy, it's only because he's completely ignoring the unhappiness of his children.
53:03Let's see.
53:04So that's kind of selfish, right?
53:05I mean, good parents generally can't be happier than their least happy children or their least happy child.
53:12I mean, it's unfortunate because it's not like through any fault of theirs that my brother's turned out this way.
53:18Like my younger brother is trans now.
53:19Oh man.
53:20No, come on.
53:21Come on.
53:22Well, come on.
53:23No, I mean this generally.
53:24No, you know, you.
53:25Yeah.
53:26I'm not even letting that one go by a bit.
53:28You're talking to the wrong guy.
53:29You're talking to the wrong guy.
53:31Sorry.
53:31If you're going to say the parents have nothing to do with how their children turn out.
53:35Yeah.
53:36No, no.
53:36That's not something.
53:38That's not a plan I'm making.
53:39I just can't even let that sit for a moment.
53:41I can't even let that float on the surface before pre-doing it down.
53:46Now, I know that there are studies that say, you know, that parents have a limited effect and so on.
53:51But this is all studies where kids all go into the same brain, government schools and so on.
53:55So I would invite you to look at the fact that your parents were not wildly successful.
54:03I'm not saying they're terrible parents, but, you know, they weren't wildly successful in creating happiness for their children.
54:09And it probably is a good idea for you to review what they did.
54:13Because I asked, did it work out for your father?
54:15Oh, yeah.
54:16No, he's fine.
54:16He's happy.
54:17He's this.
54:17He's that.
54:18It's like, but his kids are not doing particularly well.
54:21And that should, to some degree, cloud his happiness so that he has an incentive to try and fix it.
54:28Anyway, you can go to freedomain.com slash call.
54:30Well, you or, you know, anybody, sorry, didn't get to everyone here.
54:33I have an appointment coming up.
54:36So you can go to freedomain.com.
54:37We can do a call in.
54:38It can be public or private.
54:40It's generally a really good idea with these kinds of things, because especially for you, time is running out.
54:44And again, the public ones are totally free.
54:46So if you want to go to freedomain.com slash call, we can set that up.
54:50Thank you so much, everyone, for dropping by today.
54:52A real pleasure to chat with you.
54:53And hey, let's hope that the better recording setup works in a way that I like, because I have a bit of a fetish for at least decent recordings.
54:59Thank you, everyone, so much.
55:01Sorry to the people we didn't get to.
55:03Lots of love from here.
55:04Freedomain.com slash donate to help out the show.
55:07If you could, I would really appreciate it.
55:09And I'll talk to you soon.
55:10Bye.

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