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00:00New Year's Eve, 2022.
00:10Emmy was going to a party.
00:13She had plans for next year.
00:15It was lovely.
00:17She was really excited.
00:20About 20 past 5 in the morning, my phone was ringing.
00:24Straight away, I knew it was bad.
00:26It was her friend's mum who just realised Emmy's left the party.
00:35She hasn't got her shoes on.
00:37We're going to go out and look for her.
00:40For Emmy to go missing, something's happened.
00:47Her dad said, Lou, I'm just going to go straight to her flat.
00:50See if I can find her.
00:54He got there within 20 minutes.
00:56He rang me going to the police here.
01:02She's in the flat, but she's not breathing.
01:09And I just remember thinking, please, God.
01:13You know, please let them get her breathing again.
01:17When I started looking into this story, I had no idea it was going to become as prolific as it's become.
01:27I had no sense that it was going to involve the deaths of hundreds of people.
01:34A deadly poison being sold all over the world, intentionally.
01:39Who was behind this?
01:40I decided to track this person down, hold him accountable.
01:45What do you think the chances are that it will kill me?
01:48There's a very, very high probability.
01:50People who you can die, people in the US have died, people in Canada have died.
01:54This is the equivalent of posting a loaded gun to somebody with instructions to say, pull here on the trigger.
02:09This person could be one of the worst mask murderers ever.
02:16Nobody was doing anything.
02:17Nobody.
02:18It was a consistent shutdown.
02:21The FBI, the Food and Drug Administration.
02:23It's a systematic failure of everything.
02:28The number of dead continues to climb.
02:31Police said he sent more than 1,200 packages to 40 countries,
02:36earning him the nickname in British media of the Poison King.
02:41Every single victim needs justice.
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03:12Nobody.
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03:22Hey, I'm here with Tim, and we're walking home.
03:31Tom was extremely gifted academically, some wonderful friends.
03:39He started university recently, he had a lot to look forward to.
03:50He was absolutely passionate about everything from Manchester United through to philosophy.
04:00Wicked sense of humor, quite a dry sense of humor.
04:05His laugh, yeah, he had very distinctive laugh that also actually made me laugh as well.
04:15He was just such a lovely man.
04:19Probably not even an hour I go through without thinking about him.
04:26I'm in service, is the patient breathing?
04:33No, the patient is there.
04:35We checked his pulse, there's no pulse, his wife and the goat.
04:41Do you know his name?
04:42His name is Mr. Tom Parfit.
04:52Tom was found in a hotel room in West London.
04:57He had a poison next to his body, having taken his own life.
05:04It's just a different world after that, after that moment.
05:09You're not going to see him grow up and have his own family.
05:14That's all.
05:15That's all gone.
05:16When I found out about this poison, I was just ever so angry.
05:30It's not something I knew about, not something I'd heard of.
05:35How on earth can somebody like my son get hold of something like this to kill himself?
05:40How did he find out about this substance?
05:43I started searching on Google.
05:47I very quickly came across a forum discussing suicide.
06:00I was shocked, for sure.
06:02I didn't know such places existed.
06:04They talk about methods, success rates.
06:09If you're going to jump off a building, how high do you need to jump?
06:17It wasn't hidden away in a dark corner of the internet.
06:20It wasn't something that maybe just a few people were using.
06:24There were lots of people all over the world interacting with this platform.
06:30The scale of this was just so difficult to comprehend.
06:35This forum gets millions of hits every month.
06:41A lot of people in the States, Canada, UK, Europe, Scandinavia.
06:52To think about each individual person who's taking this decision is just so, so tragic.
06:59The lives that have been lost.
07:01It's just astonishing.
07:04I didn't know anything about suicide forums until this, all of this.
07:22Like, just didn't even know that existed.
07:25And it's, yeah, it's terrifying.
07:29And she didn't stand a chance.
07:31The minute I got that phone call, I just remember thinking, oh, my God.
07:46Oh, my God.
07:47It just went on and on and...
07:51It must have been about, I don't know how long it felt, like, forever.
07:56Waiting for them to ring.
07:58You know, to say, yeah, she's fine, she's breathing again.
08:03And I just ran.
08:06So, she's gone.
08:10No, guys, this is my deaf friend.
08:16She's deaf.
08:18I haven't.
08:19That is...
08:20Immy.
08:22Immy loved her social media.
08:24Yeah.
08:25That's when she found Immy.
08:27Did you follow her?
08:28Yeah, I followed her straight away.
08:30It just used to make me giggle.
08:32Hello, Sialangas, too.
08:34Bullshit!
08:35Immy wanted to, um, use her TikTok to help people understand that having a disability was okay.
08:47Having mental health problems was okay, you know.
08:50It's so, so important to talk to people how you are feeling.
08:55To let people know if you are struggling.
08:57Just know that you are not alone.
09:00Stay safe.
09:06Immy was probably about 13 when she seemed a little bit quieter.
09:14And I think at that age, it suddenly hit that being deaf was actually affecting her at school.
09:23Her mood just continued to drop.
09:28She was in and out of hospitals from 15 to 24.
09:32The nine years were a constant battle.
09:37Desperate, desperate battle to find someone that could help her.
09:42I'm so sorry you're dead.
09:45Oh, JP.
09:47Have a drink on me.
09:49Oh.
09:51Thanks.
09:52I think you're on the forum, do you know?
09:53Yeah.
09:54Immy was on the forum.
09:55I'd been shown a comment that was on there.
09:57As soon as I saw it, I knew it was Immy.
09:58I could just tell by the way she said, my parents love me.
10:01And they're going to be distraught.
10:02Why do you think she bought the poison?
10:03Maybe people have told her that it's definitely going to work.
10:04Why do you think she bought the poison?
10:05Maybe people have told her that it's definitely going to work.
10:07Why do you think she bought the poison?
10:08Maybe people have told her that it's definitely going to work.
10:14I quickly found discussions about how to source the poison.
10:15And they're going to be distraught.
10:16Why do you think she bought the poison?
10:17Maybe people have told her that it's definitely going to work.
10:32I quickly found discussions about how to source the poison.
10:45How much you need to measure?
10:47How much do you dilute it by?
10:49There was a huge volume of these discussions.
10:52How many do you think?
10:53Hundreds, hundreds of posts about this.
10:56It's just horrendous.
11:02Like many forums, there's a code.
11:07One of the codes was the abbreviation IC.
11:14It seemed to be referring to a place which would sell that poison that Tom used to end his own life.
11:22But nobody in the open forum actually explained what it stood for and what it meant.
11:27I adopted a persona of somebody who knew into the forum, was contemplating suicide, and I started posting, asking them what IC stood for.
11:42After I'd been on the forum for a few weeks, somebody finally explained what that meant.
11:57It was in-time cuisine.
12:04It behaved like any other website where you might go and buy goods.
12:14I did some digging around the site and I found the poison.
12:19You'd go to the page, you'd add it to your basket.
12:24You don't even have to register.
12:26There were no checks.
12:27It was like buying a book online.
12:30They didn't ask my age.
12:33It was all too easy.
12:38So, I order the poison.
12:42It wasn't long, probably a few days after I bought the poison online.
13:07I'd get it in the post.
13:12A relatively small package.
13:13It's been through customs.
13:14It just seemed to indicate that this was a well-oiled machine.
13:19This was something that was being done at a considerable scale.
13:24It still astonishes me that it's that easy to get hold of this poison.
13:40One of the challenges with our poisons law is that it doesn't really cater for international trade.
13:48There's no effective regulation if you buy something that is a portable substance in the UK from abroad.
13:55You effectively bypass those laws.
14:01I wanted to shout it from the rooftops that there's a problem here that needs to be stopped.
14:06I could not persuade the police force investigating Tom's death that it looked to me like a bigger problem.
14:13They weren't interested in seeing this as more than just an individual taking his own life.
14:20I had ran out of options.
14:24I had nowhere left to turn.
14:28My last chance was to go to the newspapers.
14:31Thanks for calling me, David.
14:37I'd definitely be interested in taking a look at this.
14:41Would you mind talking through what's happened?
14:44I'm just...
14:46I'm just really...
14:47Let's call it a surprise that, you know, the police have known since they found Tom's body where he bought this from.
14:53Yeah.
14:54But nobody's done anything about...
14:57As a journalist, you cover so many different stories.
15:00Politics, one minute crime, the next.
15:02You can definitely make a difference.
15:04Shining light on things that are not widely known about.
15:08This is one of the frustrations with the UK police.
15:17They just weren't interested in following up on this.
15:20You know, they weren't interested in highlighting this as any chance of a criminal case.
15:25Where, as you know, it's an offence to assist them with suicide.
15:30Mental health is a real pressing subject for a lot of people.
15:33So I think it's hugely relevant to talk about suicide.
15:38When I was speaking to David, I couldn't understand why the police weren't investigating.
15:43It was his belief that the website selling a poison knew it was selling to a person that was suicidal.
15:50And it is illegal to assist suicide.
15:52I felt that there was the chance to expose something going on here that hadn't been noticed before.
16:05There was a pressure to cut to the heart of the whole story and find out what was going on.
16:09After the call with David, I went straight on to NinetimeCuisine.com.
16:22The first thing you see is a plate of cold meats.
16:25And if you scroll down on the website, it appeared to be selling products that you might use around the home.
16:31Liquid, food flavouring, salts, and then nestled among them was the poison.
16:37The website had painted a picture, a facade, if you like, of respectability.
16:47It looked like someone was trying to perhaps cover up its true purpose.
16:51So I wanted to find out who was behind it, who ran it, and what exactly was going on.
16:58The police thought Miles had taken an accidental overdose.
16:59You know, that didn't quite sit right with us.
17:00The police thought Miles had taken an accidental overdose.
17:01You know, that didn't quite sit right with us.
17:02And so we were just trying to get an idea of what he was doing.
17:03The police thought Miles had taken an accidental overdose.
17:07You know, that didn't quite sit right with us.
17:08And so we were just trying to get an idea of what his final days and final weeks had looked like.
17:20Yeah.
17:21And we'd started looking through his computer and his phone.
17:22And we had discovered that he was very, very active on a suicide forum.
17:26We started to do searches, just everything that we could find out at the time about this forum.
17:42There's a lot of talk about people becoming addicted to that site, and he was very welcomed in that forum.
18:03Miles was my firstborn son.
18:15We had Malin about 18 months later and just had a great childhood growing up, happy and fun.
18:24I always looked up to my older brother because he was just so good at everything.
18:28You know, he was brilliant and, uh, talented and, um, yeah.
18:41And then, excuse me.
18:46As a mother, you don't want to see your kids hurt.
18:49And so you want to try to do everything you can to help them.
18:57And I wasn't able to do that.
19:10When I began to realize people in a mental health crisis like Miles had access to that forum,
19:19you feel so bad for them, you're trying to figure out a way to stop it.
19:26My mother was quite adamant to help people that were on that site.
19:31I was in the military for about 12 years, became a counterintelligence agent.
19:38I have a bachelor's degree in intelligence and security studies.
19:41And then I took a few courses in digital forensics.
19:45And so my mother had reached out to me one day and asked me to look into where to find the poison, basically.
19:54And so I posted on the site.
19:58I remember it was a Saturday morning and I had received a message back from a user called Greenberg.
20:07He had a picture of a white dog and a short bio that kind of explained how he was a retired pathologist based in New York.
20:18I had seen the name on the site often, kind of one of those users that you would see posting very regularly.
20:29And he merely messaged me the name imetimecuisine.com.
20:40It just appeared to be a site that sold food service products, salts and things like that.
20:47Like a restaurant supply company.
20:49Yes.
20:51My brother, he didn't get it from Icy.
20:54But I decided maybe I should look at this a little bit further.
20:58And I scrolled down to see their products.
21:03And lo and behold, they had products being displayed, but they were either salt that was $10,000.
21:12Salt that I had in my pantry that was $10,000 or other products that were sold out.
21:20The only thing available for sale for $59 plus shipping was the poison.
21:27And I thought, that is strange.
21:30And further to that, there's no other use for that chemical at that potency.
21:35And I said, you know, I think there's something more here that needs to be looked at.
21:40I remember messaging back and forth with my mom saying, this is definitely a front site.
21:47This person's providing suicide methods that are favored by the forum.
21:53And then Greenberg is advertising the site and shuttling people over to this storefront.
22:02It just opens up this whole world of what seems to be black market selling for methods to commit suicide.
22:12The crucial element in this story was who exactly was the person behind this website.
22:24Under the contact information, there was a PO box address in Canada located in a city called Mississauga.
22:31About 45 minutes west of Toronto.
22:38There was also their phone number and an email address, klaw at outlook.com.
22:44I Googled that and then I clicked on two further websites that came up.
22:50There was nambuka.com and eskimode.com.
22:57These two websites were definitely more explicit in their content and quite clearly selling goods for the purposes of suicide.
23:10There were testimonies on Eskimos saying that the products were expensive, but it was probably the last $1,000 they would ever spend.
23:19It was shocking to see that a website like this could operate under the radar.
23:23On both websites, the PO box address and the contact details were the same, klaw at outlook.com.
23:34And on eskimode was the name Kenneth M Law.
23:40I Googled his name and immediately popped a CV of a Kenneth M Law dated from 2005.
23:53And then at the bottom of the website, there was a picture of Kenneth Law himself.
23:57Dressed up in a tuxedo, smiling at the camera, doing this job for a number of years, become quite sceptical about things, quite cynical.
24:12I had no doubts that there was somebody called Kenneth Law living in Ontario.
24:19But would somebody really be as brazen or foolish to use their real name on a website that may well be conducting criminality?
24:29To really discover what was going on, I needed to track down Kenneth Law.
24:38I'd kind of gone down the rabbit hole at this point.
24:56I knew that David's son, Tom, purchased poison from a seller in Canada calling himself Kenneth Law.
25:17I was looking for any information about him, where he might live, what he might be up to other than these websites.
25:31Who was Kenneth Law?
25:34I discovered quite an old CV. It was dated from 2005.
25:39He was pretty well qualified in the engineering field.
25:43He had had several stints of employment at big companies, including an aerospace company called Dunlop in the Midlands in the UK.
25:56When I did social media searches, I found the same picture as on the CV on a Facebook profile for Kenneth Law in Canada.
26:06He didn't have many public posts. There was one strange post about erotic art.
26:17And there were other posts about the TV show Star Trek.
26:20A large percentage of his Facebook friends appeared to work at the Fairmont Royal York Hotel, a five-star hotel in downtown Toronto.
26:32I guessed that he either worked there or had worked there at some stage.
26:35I was beginning to piece together who this person was. I needed to find out what was the scale of his business.
26:50How many people have they sold this stuff to?
26:52There was enough information in front of me to try and conduct a full investigation around this website and this substance.
27:05But we needed to be extremely careful because we knew it was so sensitive.
27:09Can you click on one of those?
27:19Yes. Here's a post from someone who's asking whether or not they should use the poison to commit suicide.
27:28After Miles had died, we were on the forum often.
27:31Day after day, hour after hour, you would see goodbye posts of people who just, they aren't getting the help that they need.
27:39I do believe that people should have the right to talk about suicide.
28:01I believe that people should have the right to choose as well.
28:04I am wholly behind the right to die movement for those who, you know, are suffering from a terminal illness that they can't come back from.
28:14And all that's at the end of that is more suffering.
28:18But this is something different.
28:29This is a community that comes together for one single purpose.
28:34They become an echo chamber of despair and heartbreak.
28:47But the thing is, if you say, have you tried to reach out to a suicide hotline, you'll be banned from the site.
28:56If you tried to suggest, reach out for help, do you have family, do you have somebody, anybody, you'll be banned from the site.
29:08Day after day after day, you see them say goodbye, CTB, I'm going to catch the bus.
29:15You don't know if these people are minors, if they're going through an acute mental episode.
29:27You don't know if these people want to take back what they started and they can't.
29:34And there's nothing you can do about it. Absolutely nothing.
29:39It was only a few weeks ago that I found that Tom started a forum post when he took the substance.
29:53He says, I took the poison. My heart is beating fast. It feels like I've been on a run.
30:04I feel like I need to breathe really hard.
30:07And then somebody else on the forum says, see you on the other side.
30:14Tom then posts, I feel sweaty.
30:18My head is making a slightly screeching noise.
30:22I don't feel as bad now. I can hear a fuzzing noise. Weird.
30:28And this is all within minutes of each other. This is happening in real time.
30:33My fingers feel numb, like I can barely move it.
30:41Somebody else says, not alone. Ever one here with you.
30:47Somebody else puts, rest in peace, RIP.
30:51Tom doesn't post anymore.
30:54And then finally, I think they are gone.
30:57That's the end of the thread.
31:03So all of that's happened within a few minutes.
31:06And that's my son dying.
31:12What this substance actually does is horrific.
31:16The poison suffocates the body from the inside.
31:18I know Tom would have died in agony.
31:23And yet nobody calls an ambulance.
31:26Nobody tries to find him.
31:27Nobody asks the question, where are you?
31:30What can we do?
31:32It's all congratulatory messages.
31:35It's all messages of sport.
31:37Of all the forums that you looked at, David, did you get the feeling that this company is the biggest supplier?
32:00It's one that's signposted.
32:04I would say it's the only supplier I've seen signposted.
32:08But there's no doubt it's killing people.
32:10The thing I've been trying to find out, and I can't, is how many.
32:1410, 20, 100, 1,000.
32:17I'm spending increasing amounts of time on this investigation and trying to get things moving.
32:28Trying to find some answers for David.
32:37This week, we are tackling the difficult topic of suicide.
32:41As numbers rise at startling rates, especially among young people.
32:44Yeah, so suicide rates jumped 33% between 1999 and 2019.
32:50Then there was a small decrease in 2020.
32:55Kenneth Law's website started gaining traction in the summer of 2021 on the forum.
33:06There are accounts about how Kenneth Law's product arrived quickly in the post, without question from the authorities.
33:14No one in the general public really knew what was going on.
33:17No one in the general public really understood that people were so desperately ill that they would log onto a suicide forum, be ushered towards a poison seller, receive that poison through the mail, take it and die.
33:32And the sellers like Kenneth Law make a living out of it.
33:36Make a living out of it.
33:4760-something dollars cost my brother's life.
33:51Everything my brother's done in the past, and what he could do in the future, came down to $60.
33:56It brings me back to happier days, simpler days, the good old days.
34:24There we go.
34:26Benji, tell me your full name, honey.
34:27Benji.
34:28Benji?
34:29He's Bunny.
34:30All right.
34:31Do you have any brothers and sisters?
34:32No.
34:33My brother.
34:34How old is your brother?
34:35He's 11.
34:36What do you like about him?
34:37I mean.
34:38Nothing?
34:39Okay.
34:40No.
34:41You're real mean to him, are you?
34:42No.
34:43Do you tease him?
34:44No.
34:45Am I teasing you?
34:46Yeah.
34:47Yeah.
34:48Do you look after your brother a lot?
34:49Most of the time.
34:50Yeah.
34:51Used to be a big job sometimes, right?
34:52Yeah.
34:53Sometimes.
34:54Yeah.
34:55Benji was my younger brother.
35:00I was really the only one that knew about all his struggles.
35:11I just didn't know how bad it was.
35:13I could protect him from other people and, you know, stupid decisions, but ultimately,
35:18the one thing I couldn't do, I couldn't protect him from himself.
35:24That's the thing that will drive me crazy.
35:47Benji left a suicide note on the table saying, make sure my brother gets my cell phone.
36:10It was almost like a map for me.
36:13He didn't log out of stuff.
36:15He didn't delete his browser history.
36:18Reading my brother's questions and comments, I'm seeing that he was guided to I'm Time Cuisine
36:25to purchase the poison.
36:27Let me grab this one.
36:30A user says, I'm Time Cuisine is where I get it from.
36:36Usually you need a license to obtain the poison, but I'm Time Cuisine just hands it out.
36:42I went through his emails and it's clear as day to see what Benji bought, when he bought it, and who he bought it from.
36:54I found he had made several purchases from Kenneth Law directly.
37:00He uses his name in the email for different amounts of poison.
37:09Kenneth Law was well aware of what he was doing.
37:12He knew why people were getting it, and he did nothing to stop or try and get them to get help or talk them down or anything.
37:21He just saw dollar signs.
37:25Customers were dollar signs to him.
37:27I'm going to buy a car and we're making a car.
37:31I'm going to buy him for more for dinner on his way.
37:33I'm going to buy him.
37:35I'm going to buy him.
37:36I'm going to buy him for $19.
37:37I'm going to buy something.
37:39I didn't buy him for $7.
37:42We started ringing the alarm bells about Kenneth Law in February of 2022.
38:12At the time, I worked in the cyber division for the FBI, and so I went to my section chief, and I brought the evidence that I had to him.
38:24I showed him how the site was being used, this person who's peddling the site to people who are trying to commit suicide in the United States.
38:32And the answer I was given was, he's not an American, and this is a legal substance, so there's nothing we can do about it.
38:43And that, I was kind of just shut down right there.
38:46Well, and then, that's when I picked it up, and I contacted the police, the FBI, the Food and Drug Administration.
38:56It was a consistent shutdown at every avenue, because that poison is not regulated right now.
39:07It's not marked as harmful.
39:08Nothing was being done, and Kenneth Law was still operating, and it was the most frustrating, because at that point, you're thinking, where else can I go?
39:29Who can help us shut this down?
39:38What you want to do on a story like this, is to hold somebody accountable, and make them answer questions.
39:45This is someone who's evaded scrutiny and accountability for almost two years.
39:50At this point, I had absolutely no idea whether there was one death, or a hundred deaths.
39:57I believed he knew his customers were purchasing his poison to take their own lives, but I needed to get him on the phone admitting this.
40:05On his EskMode website, he offered a 40-minute consultation call with a prospective buyer of one of his products.
40:16So I purchased a consultation call.
40:22And waited for him to reach out.
40:35This is very much a modern phenomenon.
40:47The poison has legitimate uses, and up until recently, the legitimate uses were its own uses.
40:56But for the last five or six years in particular, this poison has been linked to a number of suicides.
41:04This case gets complicated because this substance is reportable under the Poisons Act.
41:11But all that means is that the seller has to report suspicious transactions to the authorities.
41:21If you come across a seller that isn't reporting suspicious transactions,
41:24the implication is that they would be knowingly selling that substance to people who might be using it to harm themselves and profiting from that.
41:33I decided to speak to Kenneth Law under the guise of someone who needed help in order to get him to tell me things he wouldn't tell me if I was a journalist calling up.
41:47I needed to get him to admit on the phone that he was selling intentionally to a person that was suicidal.
41:54This would be the one and only chance to nail down who he was and find out the scale of his operation.
42:05Of course, I couldn't use my real name.
42:18Hello, Ken here.
42:19Hi, Ken, it's John.
42:21Hi, John. How are you doing today?
42:23Yeah, I'm good. How are you?
42:26So, you're interested in some of our products.
42:29I just wanted to be really sure about my purchase, basically.
42:33What do you think the chances are that it will kill me?
42:38I mean, it's a very, very high probability.
42:40Is it legal?
42:42Well, OK, that's very much a grey area. As long as I don't say that the intent is to commit suicide, then it's fine.
42:51And you can assure me that you've done this before with people in the UK?
42:54Yes, yes, yes.
42:55And they've died because of this?
42:58Yes, absolutely.
43:03Do I cause any problems for you?
43:05The only thing I ask is that any documentation, communication that we've exchanged that you destroy a prior,
43:12any type of labels that might be on the mailing box to destroy that or dispose of the prior.
43:17Yeah.
43:18Other than that, it's not really traceable.
43:20So, you just tell the police that you don't know why this person's bought it?
43:24Yeah, yeah, yeah.
43:26It's even easier from sending it to national, right?
43:30So, the UK government has no jurisdiction to the community government.
43:34And they're not going to, you know, bring it over to the UK for this.
43:38It's too small.
43:42How many people have you sent it to in the UK?
43:45It will be literally in the hundreds.
43:48They've all received it.
43:52So, people in the UK have died?
43:54Yes.
43:55People in the UK have died.
44:01People in the US have died.
44:04People in Canada have died.
44:06In other parts of the world, right?
44:09How many countries do you send this to?
44:13Gross.
44:15Many countries.
44:18Probably in the least of dozens now, right?
44:21I mean.
44:30Sounds like a full-time job.
44:32I've been captured here.
44:33Yeah.
44:34It's just evil.
44:35Okay.
44:36Take care of yourself.
44:38Bye.
44:39Hearing his voice, to me, that's the man who murdered my kid.
44:43He knew exactly what he was doing.
44:56Kenneth Law is a sure and present danger to the public.
45:11He is connected to an enterprise of suicide methods.
45:15Hundreds of deaths.
45:16Dozens of countries.
45:17And other people are still dying.
45:18He has no intentions of stopping if somebody doesn't stop him.
45:30I couldn't let him slip away.
45:32I needed to go to Canada to track him down.
45:39And properly hold him accountable for these deaths.
45:45Hi, Kenneth.
45:46Hi.
45:47Kenneth Law.
45:48James Beale.
45:49What are you doing here?
46:19What are you doing here?
46:33Are you doing well?
46:34Can you?
46:36Yes.
46:38Good morning.
46:40Toligrio.
46:42But before he thought about it, it's the others.
46:44Playing the navelob is fun.
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