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Hoekstra warnt, Trumps Politik sei ein „schwerer Schlag“ für die Klimaschutzbemühungen

Der Rückzug der USA von ihren Klimaverpflichtungen unter der Trump-Administration werde „erhebliche Folgen“ für den Planeten haben, sagte EU-Klimakommissar Wopke Hoekstra gegenüber Euronews bei The Europe Conversation.

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00:00Welcome to the Europe Conversation.
00:09My guest this week is the EU Commissioner for Climate, Clean Growth and Net Zero, Wupke Hustre.
00:15He says that while global warming is a man-made problem,
00:19the response has to be balanced with the interests of industry.
00:24Well, Wupke Hustre, EU Commissioner for Climate and Clean Growth.
00:28Thank you very much for joining us on the Europe Conversation.
00:31Thank you for having me.
00:32We're here because a few days ago the EU announced its targets for 2040
00:36by cutting greenhouse emissions by 90%.
00:40Can you tell us, do you think that the EU can actually do that,
00:43given that so many member states, in particular France, are looking for flexibilities?
00:47I think we can, and I think we should, if we manage to make sure
00:51this is a huge opportunity also for our businesses.
00:54By the way, that is precisely where France and others are asking for, and rightly so.
01:00This is not just about climate, it is as much about exposing us to future economic success
01:06and making sure we create more independence
01:10and never again become dependent on rogue states like Russia
01:14for something as important as our energy.
01:16And then one of the issues, one of the flexibilities,
01:19which people are talking about the most, is this idea of a carbon credit,
01:22where other countries, the EU pays other countries to cut their carbon emissions.
01:27There are real concerns about this around accountability,
01:31whether it will work, whether it's cost effective,
01:33whether we're not redirecting money in the EU,
01:36which could be invested in the EU's own carbon emission reduction schemes.
01:41Yeah, but let's be clear-eyed about what we're doing.
01:44The vast amount of effort and also money will be spent on clean tech,
01:50will be spent on batteries, on solar, on wind, on geothermal,
01:54all sorts of technologies that will help push for more economic growth
01:58and more jobs in Europe.
02:00That's one.
02:01Secondly, and next to that, if it is more cost effective for our own companies
02:06to make sure that they go for part of the solution
02:10and part of the emission reductions outside of Europe,
02:13this is exactly what is opening the door for getting that.
02:17So it's not going to be mandatory,
02:18and companies will only go there if it is cost effective.
02:21Even the EU, the European Scientific Advisory Board on Climate Change,
02:25has advised against this,
02:26and also saying that those countries, often developing countries,
02:30won't meet their climate targets under a Paris accord because of this.
02:33Well, I think actually it's something different,
02:36and also the advisory board, the scientists are telling us something different.
02:40They in itself like the idea of carbon credits and doing exactly this.
02:46They're just saying it should not be part of the 90%,
02:49it should be on top of it.
02:50So that I think is an extremely important distinction.
02:53Secondly, in this hugely complicated geopolitical world,
02:56there is a lot of value also for us in building more bridges
03:00with our friends in Africa and Latin America and other places.
03:04And this is something they're advocating for.
03:06This is something they like.
03:08They often lack the capital.
03:11They often lack the opportunity.
03:13Wouldn't it be great if our companies actually build these bridges,
03:17make money, and manage this problem,
03:21and help to basically drive down emissions at the same time?
03:25But is it not the case, though,
03:26those countries, their economic growth may be slowed
03:28because they have to take into account their own carbon emissions
03:31as well as the ones they're receiving money for from the European Union?
03:34Whereas the EU can then just pursue economic growth without impeded.
03:38So the presumption that underlies your question suggests actually that there is some sort of a discrepancy
03:48between on the one hand economic growth and on the other hand climate action.
03:51And our job is to make sure that we continue with climate action,
03:57but do so in a way that works for our people, works for our companies, and works for our economy.
04:03Personally, I think that is very much doable.
04:04But we need to make sure that on top of this setting this target,
04:09we have the conversation about how European companies are going to be the winners of the future in cleantech,
04:15how we are much stricter about a level playing field that is fair to our companies
04:20rather than that they face unfair competition, particularly from China.
04:24How do we make sure we make life much simpler for our businesses?
04:27Because, frankly speaking, we have made it too complicated.
04:29I suppose just one of the issues around this is that there's an anxiety that this is just another element
04:35of chipping away at the Green Deal.
04:37And we look at the Commission, for example, potentially getting rid of, I don't know if it is or not,
04:42the corporate greenwashing legislation.
04:45I mean, what is the position on that?
04:46Let's look into this specific proposal, what it is.
04:50On the one hand, it is clearly ambitious because of the true north it sets in terms of action.
04:57That helps, by the way, also for our companies because it gives predictability on where the European Union wants to go.
05:04And, indeed, it offers flexibility and, I would say, pragmatism in part of the design.
05:10Another part of it as well is the legislation around deforestation, the nature restoration law,
05:15something that the EPP, your own political group, me again, was heralding as one of the most important pieces of the Green Deal
05:22and then wanted to reject an end.
05:24Can you understand why people are anxious about this direction?
05:27Again, what we need to make sure is that we become less one-dimensional in the whole conversation about climate
05:35and about all the topics related to this.
05:38We need to go all in in the domain of decarbonisation.
05:43And we need to do so for reasons of climate change,
05:45for reasons of industrial survival and success, and for reasons of independence.
05:52And if we are able to find that nexus of climate action, clean technology and industrial growth,
06:00I am very sure that we have a recipe that will work for everyone in the European Union.
06:05But just specifically, can you understand why people are anxious that one minute we have this Green Deal
06:11when we have a biodiversity collapse at the moment and then the EPP saying, actually, let's scrap that
06:16and then similarly with deforestation and similarly with this.
06:20Let's take stock of the fact that this is the largest transition in energy that we have seen in more than 100 years.
06:28Our true north is clear.
06:30It is absolutely clear where we want to go.
06:32It is also smart to be flexible on the how, to be pragmatic and look at what works.
06:37If it doesn't work, you will need to course correct.
06:41And I think it is much smarter, and our citizens understand, to then do that
06:45and just, you know, continue with something that apparently didn't work.
06:49So with nature restoration, what would be the alternative?
06:52Because when you're looking at literally a biodiversity collapse.
06:54What we need to build, in my view, is a system where taking care of our forests also works economically.
07:02Where there is a business case also for all the foresters that are doing a great job.
07:08That has all sorts of consequences for the longevity of certain trees.
07:12That has all sorts of consequences for the biodiversity in our forests.
07:17That's not easy, certainly not with the state in which our forests are today.
07:20But I think we can do better.
07:22You've said in the past a few times that you don't see global warming as a political issue.
07:26It shouldn't be, at least.
07:27But obviously it is, because you look at the European Parliament that has moved very much to the right,
07:32even the EPP, when it comes to the climate issue.
07:35Some member states, the likes of the Prime Minister of Italy, saying, you know,
07:39it's ideological, the issue of global warming.
07:42So first, just to be crystal clear.
07:45The problem of climate change is there.
07:47It is man-made, and it will become worse before it gets better, particularly in Europe.
07:53The world is warming up roughly with 1.5 degree by now.
07:57Europe is at twice that number.
07:58We're talking about three degrees.
07:59The impact on our societies, on our people, on our businesses, on our communities,
08:05in terms of floods, in terms of wildfires, is very, very significant.
08:10On top of that, the economic impact is easily between 50 and 100 billion, and that number will only go up.
08:17So there is a clear imperative, and in my view also a responsibility for politicians,
08:23to make sure our people are not in harm's way and we do something about it.
08:28What about the fact that the United States is also off the pitch when it comes to the fight against global warming,
08:33when the first things, obviously, Donald Trump did was to withdraw from the Paris Climate Accord,
08:37and we see the policies enacted?
08:40Well, that is clearly deeply unfortunate and a major blow to international efforts.
08:46Earlier on in the interview, I was saying that climate change doesn't discriminate.
08:51It doesn't matter for the heating up of the planet where CO2 is being pumped into the air.
08:56And if then, the second largest emitter, the most formidable power across the globe in geopolitical terms,
09:04and the largest economy basically says, well, thanks but no thanks, we no longer play ball,
09:09that is, of course, something that has very significant consequences.
09:13At the same time, my read is that you will see in the U.S.
09:17that whenever an investment in, for example, clean tech pays off,
09:22and as a side effect is also something that is good for climate, businesses are not going to stop it.
09:27Yeah, do you think that could be an upshot for the European Union?
09:31Because we saw the likes of Draghi and others have said that innovation can't thrive in the European Union,
09:36but it can do in the United States.
09:38But maybe, do you think that the EU could make an effort to try to bring a lot of that back,
09:43a specific effort, not just a sort of an accidental one where they decide themselves?
09:48Our quest for innovation, our objective, is much more fundamental,
09:53and we need to reshape the landscape in such a way that innovation can flourish across Europe.
09:59And that will take huge steps in terms of the Capital Markets Union.
10:02That will take way more investments from businesses and governments alike in tech.
10:07and in AI.
10:09And that also will take simplification.
10:12And by the way, as I said before, making sure there is a level playing field
10:16where our companies face competition, but fair competition,
10:20and not heavily state-subsidized competition from China.
10:23Is the EU about to meet that moment?
10:25Absolutely. Absolutely.
10:26But the one thing I will say is we will need considerable speed going forward,
10:32and that is exactly what this commission seeks to deliver.
10:35And final question.
10:36The EU is obviously pursuing trade across the world outside the United States
10:41because of the ongoing trade war.
10:43But in the past, the EU has said that any new trade agreements
10:46will have to have very strong stipulations about protecting the environment and so on.
10:50Do you think that those might fall by the wayside in pursuit of trade deals
10:54to ensure that we have proper economic growth?
10:56No, I don't. And Mercosur is one of the great examples of that.
11:00That's exactly the type of deal that we seek.
11:03It opens up a huge market for our companies.
11:07By the way, it is also hugely attractive for our friends in Latin America.
11:10And it has clear prerequisites also in the domain of climate and of the environment.
11:16But the farmers who are in government in the Netherlands, who are obviously in a...
11:20And the government has collapsed, but they're still in a government there.
11:24They are not happy with Mercosur.
11:26I have a different read, and if you would ask also the agri-commissioner, Hansen,
11:32he will be the first to articulate to you that particularly also for our own sector,
11:37there is a huge opportunity.
11:39That on top of that, he has been, and the commission has been taken,
11:43mitigating measures to make sure it is fair for everyone.
11:47And that is also the reason why, at least in my read,
11:49this is so broadly supported across member states.
11:52Okay, Commissioner, thank you very much for joining us on your conversation.
11:55Thank you.
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