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James Gunn joins GQ as he revisits some of the most iconic films from his career so far: from Marvel’s Guardians of the Galaxy trilogy to DC Studio’s latest cinematic universe installment, Superman.----------Director: Kristen DeVoreDirector of Photography: Grant BellEditor: Robby MasseyTalent: James GunnProducer: Sam DennisLine Producer: Jen SantosProduction Manager: James PipitoneProduction Coordinator: Elizabeth HymesTalent Booker: Lauren MendozaCamera Operator: Shay Eberle-GunstSound Mixer: Kari BarberProduction Assistant: Lauren Boucher; Brock SpitaelsPost Production Supervisor: Jess DunnPost Production Coordinator: Stella ShortinoSupervising Editor: Rob LombariAssistant Editor: Justin Symonds
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00:00No. I made up the Infinity Stones in two seconds. I have no idea what, I had no idea that it was going to become what it was going to become.
00:12Guardians of the Galaxy Trilogy.
00:15Do not ever call me a thesaurus.
00:18It's just a metaphor, dude.
00:19His people are completely literal. Metaphors are going to go over his head.
00:23Nothing goes over my head. My reflexes are too fast. I would catch it.
00:28I'm going to die surrounded by the biggest idiots in the galaxy.
00:32I was a big fan of the Marvel movies. I saw all the Marvel movies in theaters.
00:35Some of them I liked, some of them I didn't like as much, but I saw them all.
00:38I'm a big comic book fan. I read tons of comics of Marvel and DC Comics.
00:42I had met with Kevin Feige a few times about different things, like just kind of a general meeting where we went in and we talked.
00:48And then when Guardians was coming around, I was really in a strange place in my career where I was a little dejected.
00:55It was after Super came out and I was working on a television show with a production company that was kind of cool.
01:01I had just done a video game called Lollipop Chainsaw and I'm like, you know what?
01:06I think I'm going to quit directing movies.
01:08Unless you're doing a Marvel movie or something like that, you're not going to be able to do anything.
01:13I didn't think I was, after just making a $3 million movie that didn't make money, I didn't think I was going to be hired to direct a Marvel movie.
01:21So they called me into Guardians of the Galaxy right after I had told my agent that I was going to quit making movies.
01:27God, it's all the way in Manhattan Beach.
01:29Like I was living in Studio City.
01:31I walked in and they're like, you know, so we got the same Guardians of the Galaxy.
01:35Have you heard of them?
01:35I'm like, yes, I've heard of them.
01:37But frankly, I was more familiar with the original Guardians of the Galaxy, Yondu and those different characters and not Star-Lord and Groot and Gamora.
01:43And they showed me like what they were thinking about for these characters and what they were going to do.
01:48And I was like, oh, he sounds kind of like Bugs Bunny in the middle of the Avengers.
01:53I wasn't sure how you're going to make a talking raccoon.
01:56Like, how's that going to work?
01:57I really walked out of there just not only not thinking I would ever get the gig, but also not really being convinced that I wanted to do it anyway.
02:05I went home and I was driving, got stuck in, of course, in terrible traffic.
02:08I'm in the car and I'm like, all right, so it's about a talking raccoon.
02:12I'm like, that's going to be silly.
02:14I'm like, but what would be the circumstances if it was real?
02:18And it just came to me that if it was real, that that raccoon would be the saddest creature in the entire universe and that he would feel utterly and completely alone and have a very difficult time in life.
02:31That to me was the beginning of Guardians.
02:33And that's why I knew that from doing the first one to the last one, where it ended up is where it needed to end up with this character basically having a spiritual awakening in which he goes outside of himself and sees himself in both a more important and less important way.
02:48And that was the journey of those three movies for me.
02:52It was about Rocket, who's a character who I've felt closer to than any other character I've ever put on film, without a doubt.
02:58Well, I didn't ask to get made.
03:00I didn't ask to be torn apart and put back together over and over and turned into some little monster.
03:08I loved Star Wars so much as a kid and I started to see where this could be a movie that was not like Star Wars, but had the effect on kids that Star Wars had on me when I was a kid.
03:21When I walked into, you know, the grocery store for the first time and saw C-3PO on the cover of People magazine and Chewbacca on the cover of People magazine, I was like, oh my God, what is this magical movie that I have to see so badly?
03:34This is more important to me than anything else in life.
03:37I thought that I could do that with a raccoon in a tree.
03:40He says I am Groot in the comics, and there's a weird explanation for it that it's some strange thing.
04:01Now things have all been changed so that they're more like the movie, but in my version, he said I am Groot, and only really Rocket understood what he was saying.
04:11And then as time went on, he attached and bonds with other people.
04:16They also start to understand what he's saying, and so by Guardians 3, all those characters understand perfectly what he's saying when he's saying I am Groot.
04:23And that's what the end of the movie is about, right?
04:25The end of the movie where he says, I love you guys.
04:28I love you guys.
04:29Now it's the audience, too, has bonded with the character in such a way that we all understand what he's saying.
04:35He did it thousands of times.
04:37That really wasn't me.
04:38I mean, I gave Vin lots of notes on how to say lines, but Vin is weird.
04:43He would have something in his head about the way he needed to say something.
04:46He'd just be again, again, again, again, and he'd be saying, like, I am Groot.
04:50So many times.
04:51Like, frankly, it was very boring for me because I had to sit there and just hear him saying I am Groot in a way that I could not in any way discern the difference.
04:58It wasn't really me putting that on Vin.
05:00It was Vin doing that himself.
05:02And the remnants of these systems were forged into concentrated ingots.
05:10Infinity stone.
05:11I never understood what any of the faces were in Marvel.
05:14I don't know what any of it means.
05:16Like, I have no clue what it means.
05:18I have no clue what any of that stuff ever meant.
05:20I knew there were infinity stones when they said, you know, we've been thinking and we think that maybe some of these things have been infinity stones in different ways.
05:29And so could you write up what the infinity stones mean?
05:32When I wrote the scene with the collector explaining that, you know, there was this explosion and then the infinity stones were born and what they mean and where they came from.
05:40That was literally me just sitting down for three minutes and writing that.
05:43And that's then what became the rest of the infinity stones.
05:47There was never anybody that said anything other than I think the red thing and the blue thing are going to end up being infinity stones.
05:55That wasn't in the plan to begin with.
05:57No.
05:58I made up the infinity stones in two seconds.
06:00I have no idea what.
06:01I had no idea that it was going to become what it was going to become.
06:05The purple infinity stone was there.
06:08No, it wasn't.
06:09It was red.
06:10So when we shot it, it was red.
06:12In the movie, I shot a red infinity stone.
06:15And then afterwards, they were like, yeah, I think we're going to make the thing in Thor 2 an infinity stone.
06:22And that one's red.
06:23So we had to change it from red to purple in post.
06:26And if you don't love me now, you will never...
06:30I always play music from the movie on set when I can.
06:34The actors know what's happening.
06:36The camera operators can move to the music.
06:38The rhythm is correct.
06:39But the same thing with score.
06:41So we write the score before the movie.
06:43And then we play the score on set in Superman, which is basically a score movie more than a soundtrack movie.
06:49We have tons of score by John Murphy that we played on set.
06:52There are all the songs in all the Guardians movies and in every Suicide Squad.
06:57My three favorites are probably come a little bit closer in Guardians 2.
07:02Just a Gigolo with Harley Quinn and the Suicide Squad.
07:08And Beastie Boys and Guardians 3.
07:16They're all the big action sequences.
07:18Those are the places where I think the music and the action, they're also probably the three things I worked the hardest on.
07:28I'm done running.
07:29My favorite scenes would be some rocket ones.
07:32The moment at the end of 3 where you realize that he realized all life has meaning.
07:39You see the first step of him where he loves himself because he sees the baby raccoons.
07:45And you realize that that's what he was and that he needs to save the baby raccoons.
07:51And then you see the next moment where he starts to look around and sees all the other animals that are in the cages.
07:58And he realizes they all mean something and he needs to save all of them.
08:02Rocket never does a single heroic thing that isn't for his friends.
08:06He does not have empathy for people outside of his core group ever.
08:11He's just too damaged until that moment at the end.
08:15And that's why he becomes the leader of the Guardians of the Galaxy at the end of 3.
08:19Because he's actually able to take that on and have compassion for everyone.
08:23And he doesn't really until that point.
08:25I also really like Drax petting Rocket in the first Guardians when he leans over and he pets him.
08:31And you see Rocket stiffen up and then he relaxes and takes it in.
08:35I just feel partially imprinted on animals.
08:38So animals are as important to me in a lot of ways as people are.
08:42I was raised with a dog that was my sister.
08:46I knew her before.
08:47I'm the oldest of six, but I had a dog immediately.
08:50I think that there's an innocent and a presence to animals that, you know, humans lack.
08:55But I love animals and so I just think I write them naturally.
08:58Whether it's from Scooby-Doo or the Dogs in Dawn of the Dead or, you know, whatever.
09:02It's always, I love animals.
09:04The Suicide Squad.
09:09Why did my people not alert me of your arrival?
09:15We didn't see any people.
09:15I didn't see anybody.
09:17There's no one out of campers.
09:19I turned them into my mother in my head and killed them.
09:22Suicide Squad is obviously a different project and every project is different.
09:26But I also think the three Guardians movies are very different from each other in their own ways.
09:30You know, obviously I was making a rated R movie from the beginning.
09:32So that was a big difference.
09:34But it was a fun group of actors.
09:35I love Harley Quinn.
09:36I always have since she was first on the cartoons.
09:39Rat Catcher 2 is kind of our own thing.
09:41But I love, you know, Daniela and she's fantastic.
09:44Idris is a great guy.
09:45Total movie star.
09:47And creating Bloodsport with him was fun.
09:48And I love David Desmaucian's sort of haunted take on Polka Dot Man.
09:52So, and of course, my friend John Cena as Peacemaker was the most, the most fun of all.
10:00I thought he was creepy as hell.
10:04That's what I love about Starro.
10:05He's so big and comic book-y and crazy.
10:08But at the same time, the whole concept with the starfish on people's faces, I always found so creepy and scary.
10:16And I love that kind of combination of the darkness of that, but also the big, fun, brash comic book-y-ness of it.
10:23Most fun to make was maybe the one on the roof where John Cena has to eat 36 empanadas to get the scene going.
10:31And I think he was pooping his brains out for the next 36 hours.
10:36He has tenacity and, you know, perseverance.
10:42Peacemaker.
10:44Don't be trustworthy.
10:45Just let me ask you a question and don't tell anybody about it, okay?
10:47I would never betray a secret.
10:49It's the opposite of everything you've been saying.
10:51Truth is, I'm supposed to be in prison.
10:53For what?
10:54Superhero shit.
10:55I will be honest.
10:56Peacemaker is my favorite thing I've ever done.
10:58People ask me, which movie do you like the best?
11:00And I'm like, I really think I like Peacemaker the best.
11:02Six and a half hours of television.
11:04So we get to know those characters in depth.
11:07And as much as we think we get to know the Guardians over three movies, in that same amount of time,
11:11we're telling the stories of Peacemaker and Vigilante and John Economos, and we get to know those characters.
11:17I think the group of actors is one of my favorites I've ever worked with.
11:21I love working with John.
11:22I get to work with my wife.
11:24And there's no holds barred.
11:25I mean, doing Peacemaker as a movie would be an incredibly risky prospect, but it's as crazy and far out and violent and nasty and heartfelt as it is.
11:37And it's totally mainstream television.
11:39It was an enormous, enormous hit on Max.
11:42It's interesting because in Peacemaker season one, we get to see Chris Smith, Peacemaker, get to a certain place emotionally and change.
11:51We don't just like go back and it's not just the same Peacemaker in season two doing all the same stuff.
11:56It is a different human being.
11:57He's grown.
11:58He's changed.
11:59And we get to see that.
12:01And so it's a much more emotional season than season one.
12:07Creature Commandos.
12:11Look, I'm in there.
12:13You just have to be really careful about what you show.
12:16Being with Marvel, you know, that people really can take things apart.
12:20You're always going to make mistakes, but that's how it is.
12:23But that, again, too, was really a wonderful experience and just the easiest experience for me, quite frankly, because I wrote the screenplays.
12:30I wrote them pretty quickly.
12:31And then Dean Laurie and his team took over and the people at Bobby Pills Animation.
12:35I gave notes, but it was not overly much.
12:39And so in terms of something that I didn't direct, that was my favorite experience because just they did such an amazing job.
12:53I don't really write things down so much.
12:57I think I just kind of know when I'm creating a character, like, where they've been and sometimes where they're going.
13:03Weasel appeared in Suicide Squad, and he's a one-off joke character.
13:06He survives at the end.
13:08In the end credits, you find out his sort of horrible backstory where he's not just a joke.
13:12He's this very sad creature who is trying to be a hero.
13:15We hear that he killed 27 children in the Suicide Squad.
13:18Ends up being an exaggeration.
13:20Also ends up not being true that we find out in Creature Commandos.
13:23This just was always a part of who I thought he was.
13:25Just like what I always thought Rocket was from the beginning and where Rocket was going to go from where he started.
13:30With some characters, I think I have a more complete view of who they are.
13:38Dawn of the Dead.
13:40We start letting people in here, and we're going to let the wrong ones in, and then I'm dead.
13:44And you know what? I don't want to die.
13:46Who are the wrong ones?
13:48Nobody here is sick, and I intend on keeping it that way.
13:51Look, I just think we should...
13:52I did not ask for your opinion, lady!
13:53Dawn of the Dead was originally was my friend Eric Newman, who's now a showrunner on Narcos and a bunch of different Netflix shows,
14:02came to me, and he wanted to do a remake of Dawn of the Dead.
14:06And I didn't really want to just do a remake that was just a straight-up remake.
14:12I thought it was interesting to take a remake that basically took the same situation but told the story in a different way.
14:18Once the screenplay was done, that's when Zack came around.
14:21You know, really the hard thing about doing both Scooby-Doo and Dawn of the Dead really for me was I'd seem to be at the lightning rod of all this controversy from the beginning.
14:30But Dawn of the Dead, there was, you know, people found out it was being remade, and there was a petition online to stop the making of Dawn of the Dead with hundreds of thousands of signatures.
14:39All of a sudden, I'm showing up on page six in the New York Post, you know, because of Dawn of the Dead as a screenwriter, who, you know, screenwriters, like, aren't really that well-known, especially the guy who just wrote one hit movie.
14:52There was controversy around Scooby-Doo, controversy around Dawn of the Dead, so somehow I was becoming involved in these projects that had all this controversy for one reason or the other, and it leads all the way to today.
15:05Scooby-Doo!
15:06Scooby-Doo, what are you doing, man?
15:14Like, this ain't no time to...
15:16Like, there's a ghost right behind me, isn't there?
15:23I just moved to Los Angeles.
15:25I had made an independent movie there.
15:27Lorenzo de Bonaventura, who was the head of production at Warner Brothers at the time, asked me to come in and pitch on Scooby-Doo.
15:34It was like, he just wanted me to do Scooby-Doo, and then I did.
15:37It was simple.
15:37I got hired to write Scooby-Doo.
15:39I love dogs.
15:40I loved Scooby-Doo when I was a little kid.
15:42My first ever nightmare was of Captain Cutler's ghost.
15:45It's the sea guy in the ghost and the sea diver's element.
15:48One of my earliest memories, so I was excited to take on the project.
15:51Daphne, exit through the entrance.
15:53Velma and I will enter here through the exit there.
15:55And Shaggy and Scooby, do whatever you guys do.
16:01It was never dramatic.
16:02The original script was geared towards a little bit more of an older audience.
16:07Not much, but it was kind of post-Scream, so it was a little bit different,
16:10and it kind of got changed a little bit as time went on.
16:13At that time, I think it was really fun to do Scooby-Doo,
16:15because it had never been done in live action before.
16:17It was only really the cartoon version.
16:19So the challenge of adapting it, I found fun.
16:23Since then, I've done a lot of different projects that have been adapted
16:25from comic books or cartoons or books or whatever,
16:28and I enjoy the process of doing it.
16:32Slither.
16:44Slither was definitely a love letter to all the body horror movies
16:48that I grew up with.
16:50The biggest of them is they came from within, also known as Shivers,
16:54which is a Cronenberg movie, one of his very first films, movie I love,
16:58which is really the worms going in through the mouth and taking over the people.
17:01The Blob, it was Night of the Living Dead.
17:05It was just a lot of the different, usually lower-budget horror movies
17:09that I grew up with, and then taking that
17:11and then trying to create real people in the show
17:15that we could really feel for that were put into this ridiculous situation
17:19and have them act as real as they possibly could
17:21despite the sort of black comedy horror elements of this show.
17:26Sugarfuck, you really think you should be asking so many questions
17:29when it's so close to your birthday?
17:30My birthday is now for two months.
17:32That's close.
17:33Slither was the first time I worked with Rooker.
17:36I was a fan of Rooker for a long time.
17:37I remember seeing Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer in theaters.
17:40It was very disturbing, but I thought that guy was amazing.
17:44He brought a vulnerability to this monster in Slither that you don't expect.
17:48And we feel sad for him.
17:49We feel sad for the monster.
17:51He brings a lot of pathos to it.
17:53But the same thing is true of him as Yondu.
17:55He starts out as what you think of as a bad guy,
17:57and he just ends up taking the most heroic turn in the movie.
18:04Something's wrong with me.
18:06Brenda was interesting.
18:07She's a very good actor, but also she got claustrophobia.
18:09So she had to sit in this big thing that looked like a big zit.
18:13We could only shoot for a very short amount of time in a row
18:17because she would become really freaked out.
18:19I hate gore in real life, by the way.
18:20I was going through a deck for the movie Clayface,
18:23which is being made now at DC.
18:27And they were showing me a bunch of reference photos
18:29from different horrible things, and they were real.
18:34And they were just laughing at me
18:36because I really can't look.
18:39I just am closing my eyes the whole time.
18:41And they're like, James Gunn is the one who's so grossed out
18:44that he can't look.
18:45And I'm really squeamish.
18:47But if I know it's not real, it's just my brain changes,
18:50and it's interesting.
18:51I know no one wants to actually think about sacrificing 30 lives,
18:59but if it means saving the lives,
19:00it doesn't matter what the circumstances are.
19:04We do not have the right to take innocent human lives.
19:08The Belko experiment came to me as a dream.
19:10I dreamt the trailer for the Belko experiment,
19:13and it was basically the beginning of the movie
19:15where the guy comes on the overhead speakers
19:19and says, in the next, you know, whatever,
19:2212 hours you need to kill two people
19:23or else, you know, 30 of you are going to die or whatever.
19:26And then the walls close up around the building.
19:29I just kind of had that premise to begin with,
19:31and I sat down and I wrote it pretty quickly for fun.
19:34And it was something I was actually going to direct
19:36way back in 2006, 2007.
19:40I was going through a divorce at that time,
19:41and I just, I didn't really want to be going
19:43and making this dark movie in another country
19:46and be away from my friends at that time.
19:47So I went ahead and did another job instead.
19:52Super.
19:54All it takes to be a superhero
19:56is the choice to fight evil.
20:00Super taught me a lot.
20:02It really isn't a superhero movie.
20:03It's about this guy, Frank Darbo,
20:05and what his life is like in that moment
20:07and how he sort of has a breakdown
20:09and comes out on the other side of it.
20:11I think Super definitely set me up
20:12for what I'm doing now
20:13because I think it was one of the things
20:14that Marvel saw
20:15where they wanted me to do Guardians of the Galaxy.
20:18I actually think they just liked the movie,
20:19you know, because I also really liked,
20:21they used to do a web series called PG Porn,
20:23and I did a web show for Xbox called Humanzy,
20:26and those things also, too,
20:27were things that they really liked.
20:29So it was just, I think,
20:31the kind of a different spin on something.
20:34Super obviously didn't set the world on fire.
20:36It wasn't a big box office hit.
20:37It's still one of my favorite movies.
20:39And ironically, my lowest rated film
20:42on Rotten Tomatoes,
20:44but also the one that I,
20:45along with, strangely, Guardians 2,
20:47that I get the most often people tell me
20:49is their favorite movie.
20:51It just seems so unfair, God.
20:54Other people have goodness.
20:56They have good things.
20:58They have love and tenderness.
20:59People who care about their lives.
21:01Rain is just a very talented, serious actor
21:04who can go very deep,
21:06and yet people don't see him that way.
21:08The scene in which he gives praise to God
21:10about helping him as he's sobbing
21:12and he was kneeling at the end of the bed,
21:15and I was on the other side of the bed
21:16for that whole time.
21:17And being able to see Rain do what he did up close
21:20for the whole movie
21:21and help to guide him,
21:22it was fun.
21:24So it was just his time
21:24to get away from Dwight.
21:26Yeah, I think it was partially getting away from...
21:28Yeah, it was a way to do that.
21:30I mean, that's impossible to do, but yeah.
21:32Yeah, I don't think I've ever walked around
21:34with anyone who gets yelled at
21:36by their fake name more than Rain.
21:38Dwight, Dwight, Dwight!
21:39And he's so tall.
21:41Yeah, I was married to one of the people in the office,
21:43but she was able to put on a hat
21:44and walk around and whatever.
21:46Rain doesn't have that luxury.
21:49Superman.
21:50Today, the Secretary of Defense said
21:54he was going to look into your actions.
21:57That's funny.
21:58My actions?
21:59I stopped a war.
22:02They came to me years ago and said,
22:04we'd love for you to do Superman.
22:06This is like Toby Emmerich back in 2018 or something.
22:09I was like, I don't know how to do Superman.
22:12And I just always was thinking,
22:14how do you do Superman?
22:15How do you do Superman?
22:16I just, I really, I had a hard time with it.
22:19It's a lot of responsibility
22:21and it is a tightrope act
22:25because what is it about the character
22:27that needs to remain the same
22:29that is truly important to who the character is?
22:32And where can you take the chances
22:33and go in the other direction
22:34to keep audiences wanting to see this character
22:37that was created in 1938?
22:39What can you add to the lore of Superman
22:43in the movies to make it a little bit different?
22:46And that's when I did Suicide Squad.
22:47I have always focused on oddballs.
22:50On the one hand, Superman is the ultimate oddball.
22:53He's an alien from another planet who doesn't belong.
22:56On the other hand, he's the ultimate, not an oddball.
22:58He's a strong, masculine, white dude
23:02who's like just very square and center.
23:06How do I find the story that I want to tell
23:09and all of that that's going to be interesting
23:11and artistically invigorating
23:14that also won't make audiences run away?
23:17And so that was always just the challenge of it all.
23:20You seemingly acting as a representative
23:22of the United States
23:23I wasn't representing anybody except for me
23:25and doing good.
23:29What I think it's about is goodness
23:32and the core values of kindness and compassion
23:35towards other human beings
23:36and how it's important no matter what.
23:38Every life is sacred.
23:40Those are the values that I grew up with
23:42and those are the values that I believe in today.
23:45I think you hear Frank Darbo saying
23:47exactly what I believe at the end of Super.
23:49You don't do this.
23:50You don't do that.
23:51Those things do not change.
23:53You don't sell drugs.
23:56You don't molest little children.
23:59You don't profit on the misery of others.
24:02The rules were set a long time ago.
24:04And I think Superman is about that.
24:07But he lives in a world
24:07where everything seems relative
24:10and he lives in a world
24:11where goodness is considered old-fashioned.
24:14Goodness is considered Pollyanna.
24:16How do you tell that story about that character
24:18who's essentially a good character
24:20but also has his own crisis of faith
24:22in the movie that we see?
24:23Your actions.
24:26That's what makes you who you are.
24:30I don't believe in superhero fatigue.
24:32I think there's, you know,
24:33mediocre movie fatigue.
24:36I think you can tell stories about anything.
24:38You see the same gangster movie
24:39over and over.
24:40You're going to get so bored.
24:41But if you see different types of criminals
24:43doing different things
24:44that are involved in different activities,
24:45different levels of morality,
24:47different styles,
24:48it's not going to ever get boring.
24:49And I think the same thing is true about superheroes.
24:51And if the only thing that we have to offer
24:53is one character showing up
24:55and seeing two characters together
24:57that we've never seen on screen before,
24:59that was really exciting when it first happened.
25:01Nobody cares anymore.
25:02This concept of superhero fatigue
25:04in one way is real
25:05because there have been a lot of superhero movies
25:07that maybe haven't been up to
25:09what they should have been
25:10or what the audience wanted.
25:12You see the same thing happening
25:13across the board with movies in general,
25:15that people are not making the movies
25:17that need to bring people into the cinemas.
25:19That's why something like Barbie works so well.
25:22Barbie did something differently
25:23than what other big movies like that did.
25:26And people went to the theater.
25:28And I wrote Margot the morning that came out.
25:30I said, thank you,
25:32you know, for helping to keep theaters alive.
25:33I saw Greta Gerwig the other day.
25:35I was like, thanks.
25:36And I think there's a few filmmakers like that now.
25:38You know, I think Matt Reeves is like that.
25:40He's a filmmaker that makes big pop movies,
25:43but they have soul and they're different.
25:45And whether you like his movies or not,
25:47that's not the important thing.
25:48He is doing something different.
25:50Being able to see those chances being taken
25:52on a big canvas is important.
25:55I want the cinema-going experience to continue.
25:58I want, you know,
25:59my nephews and nieces and their children
26:01to be able to experience
26:02what I've been able to experience,
26:04going to a theater
26:05and seeing the magic of cinema.
26:06I just think we need to take risks.
26:09It hasn't been happening
26:10because people are so afraid of making a mistake.
26:13I think we should make, you know,
26:14make a lot more mistakes.
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