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'If They Can See You, They Can Kill You': Mike Rounds Asks Pentagon Noms About Evolving Battlefield
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During a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing last month, Sen. Mike Rounds (R-SD) spoke about changes on the battlefield due to the proliferation of drones and loitering munitions.
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Senator Rounds. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First, to both of you and to your families,
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thank you all for your service to our country. You both come as very qualified individuals to
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the new jobs in which you will step into very shortly. I want to take a little bit of time
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and talk about what I think is one of the most important aspects of this new position that each
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of you will be in very shortly. And that is the difference between when we ask someone who
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doesn't wear the uniform of the United States of America but rather a suit and tie, and when they
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come before this committee. Some from outside of government who will give us their opinion about
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issues and policies and positions. But then we have the individuals who come from an administration,
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and I've been here ten years now and I've seen four different administrations in which
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individuals come and they give us their opinion on what happens or a position with regard to policy.
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We take their statements with a grain of salt, recognizing that they represent an administration's
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point of view. But when we come to you as members of the armed services from the different branches
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and we ask for your professional military opinion. It is perhaps one of the most important things that
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you can do to provide us directly and without color the black and white of exactly what you think.
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Because that's what we rely on in terms of truth. And I want to go into this a little bit because
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just as an example most recently a number of us have asked specific questions with regard to
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the spectrum and about the importance of the spectrum and managing it on behalf of the defense
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of our country by the Department of Defense. And on over 28 different occasions we have asked
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specifically members of the United States Armed Services who were wearing the uniform their professional
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military opinion. And in some cases I suspect that their honest and straightforward answers have
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probably gotten them into a little bit of hot water with individuals who simply wear a suit and tie
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in an administration. But nonetheless they have adhered to the principle that they're required to give
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us a straightforward answer. It is the most important thing that you can do in coming before this
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committee. I lay that out for you because this is what makes the difference between a young man's
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ability to defend himself on the battlefield. And I'm going to start, you know, General Grinkowich,
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you've served and you've flown a fourth generation aircraft. You've flown a fifth generation aircraft.
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Things are going to change very rapidly on the battlefield for young men and women. Today on the
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battlefield would you say that if the enemy can see you, a young man or a woman regardless of whether
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he's in a tank or whether he's in an aircraft or in a command center, if they can see you they can kill
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you. Is that a fair statement? Senator, I think it is in most cases. There are a few times when they can
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see us and try to take a swipe at us and we have ways to evade or defeat that. But it is the transparency
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on the modern battlefield is apparent, I think, based on what we've seen both in Brad's current
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AOR as the deputy commander and in the Russia-Ukraine fight. Thank you. And Admiral Cooper,
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same question to you. If they can see you, can they kill you or at least they're going to do their
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best to try and kill you? Senator, absolutely. Retaining our advantage, whether that's a stealth
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advantage or advantage of maneuver or our overmatch, which we have at times in the spectrum,
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is critical. I'd also add with respect to the spectrum, I spent my entire adult life at sea
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on guided missile destroyers and guided missile cruisers. They are national assets. They would be
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rendered highly ineffective without the type of spectrum management that you've been advocating for.
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Thank you. And this is the reason why I think it is absolutely critical. And there's going to be
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lots of questions up here about munitions and everything else. But if I could simply, once
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again, strongly recommend that when the question from any member of this committee, Republican or
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Democrat, is given to you, and they ask for your professional military opinion, it's because we're
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trying to find out exactly what's going on. And even if it's uncomfortable, this is where the rubber
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really meets the road. It is when you provide that information to us, we make better decisions.
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And that's, I think, what this place is all about, is the oversight does not work if we can't count on
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you for that straightforward, hard-hitting response to our questions. With that, I yield back. Thank
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you, Mr. Chairman.
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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