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00:00You're watching On Demand. Please check the closing time before trying to vote or enter any competition or other interactivity in this programme, as it may not count and you may still be charged.
00:10On today's show...
00:13Stay away from my family. This is the fucking state of your...
00:18Move out and leave my family alone.
00:23What are you going to do? Rip my head off.
00:26You have nothing to do with this family.
00:30Can I speak? Can I speak?
00:32That's all you ever do is speak. You all earn a yapping.
00:34Sit down!
00:35You waste this space! You waste this space!
00:37You waste this space!
00:45Why would you not stay?
00:47Yes, you are running away.
00:49You're there. Can I meet you?
00:51She sits there like she's with Mary Poppins.
00:53No.
00:54You're 16 years of age and she's saying that a sibling's not a father.
00:58You're a big, big welcome to the show now.
00:59You might just remember my next two guests. Two of my most notorious ever guests. Take a look at this.
01:05Then you got back with the mother, cheated on her again with the other daughter, sexual contacts and now you're with Leanne.
01:06Yeah.
01:07Sex, sex, whatever.
01:08There's a whole family.
01:09You're a big, big, great guy!
01:10Why would I get the phone calls when I'm going to set up a couple of times?
01:12Even more?
01:13You're a big, big welcome to the show now.
01:14You're going to be the one, a big closer.
01:15Now, you might just remember my next two guests.
01:19Two of my most notorious ever guests.
01:22Take a look at this.
01:25Then you got back with the mother, cheated on her again with the other daughter, sexual contacts, and now you're with Leanne.
01:32Yeah?
01:33Sex, sex, whatever!
01:35There's a whole family!
01:36Why would I get the phone calls when I'm going to cheat at you?
01:39Because she is trying to get me!
01:42Why are you trying to call him to me and you?
01:44I'm going to be where the f*** are you?
01:46Too busy going back to her!
01:53Oh my God, Vinny's back on the show today, here to confront Dawn
01:56after they had a brief relationship at the start of the year which ended badly.
01:59Vinny claims that Dawn is a liar and a cheat and says she's now moved in
02:02with his sister Sharon.
02:03He suspects she's poisoning her against him.
02:05Vinny says that unless Sharon kicks her out,
02:07he's going to disown her and the family for good.
02:09Stand by.
02:10He's been on a few times.
02:11He never comes out of it very well.
02:13Vinny's back on the Jeremy Kyle show that way!
02:22What's happened to the hair?
02:24Losing it.
02:25God blimey, you had a full head when you came here, son.
02:26Now, Vin, Vin, Vin, Vin, Vin.
02:28I'm going to find, I'm going to search deep inside myself today
02:31and find a nice part.
02:32You never come out of this well.
02:34No.
02:35You got slagged, quite rightly, by Julie King
02:37for sleeping with half of her daughters, right?
02:39But you still, now what you're doing, I thought he's gone away,
02:42he's made something of his life and now you've got together with Dawn.
02:45I mean, you and she, was it a, was it a dream relationship or what?
02:50How the hell did you end up with her?
02:52Oh, it was a nightmare.
02:53Absolute nightmare of her.
02:54Absolute, I don't, do you know what, I don't know.
02:57How long were you together?
02:59About six weeks, I think.
03:00Long time.
03:01Right, that's a long time on the Jeremy Kyle show.
03:05I knew she'd get a house and three kids by that point.
03:08How'd you meet?
03:09I've known Dawn quite a while.
03:11I was friends with Dawn and friends with one of her ex-fellows.
03:15So you made a move?
03:17No, she was...
03:18Was the sex good?
03:19Not really, no.
03:22Um, apparently you finished it.
03:24How did it, come on, how did it finish?
03:27She was...
03:28Oh, shut your gop, you!
03:30Listen, you need to get out!
03:33And stay away from my family!
03:35Listen, what's the state of your?
03:38You're hanging!
03:39You're hanging!
03:40You're hanging!
03:41You're moving!
03:42Right?
03:43Move out!
03:44Move out and leave my family alone!
03:46You!
03:47You!
03:48You!
03:49You!
03:50Big man!
03:51Big man!
03:52What are you gonna do, rip my head off?
03:54You're gonna die, you big boy!
03:56Come straight!
03:57You!
03:58You!
03:59You!
04:00You!
04:01You!
04:02To me!
04:03Shut up!
04:04Lose the pitch!
04:05Hello!
04:06Hello!
04:07You and Dawn were together, it went wrong.
04:10You're annoyed because she's now living with your sister.
04:13Causing eruptions in the family.
04:15Yeah.
04:16Poisoning your sister.
04:17Who's the big bloke?
04:19Well...
04:20Supposed to be Sharon's partner.
04:22So now you and your sister...
04:24Supposed to be!
04:25Now you and your sister Sharon are not getting on...
04:27No.
04:28...because...
04:29Err...
04:30Dawn's moved in, right?
04:31Mm-hmm.
04:32Yeah.
04:33So why are you here?
04:34Why did you just walk away from home?
04:35Because I'm telling them to...
04:36I need them to leave me alone.
04:37Who?
04:38Sharon, Dawn and...
04:39...whoever else is.
04:40Have I seen us?
04:41Have I seen us?
04:42Sorry?
04:43Are you right or what?
04:45Did a pair of videos?
04:47So Dawn's now living under the same roof as my sister and her partner.
04:50I wouldn't surprise they're all sleeping together.
04:52What?
04:53Yep.
04:54Yep.
04:55It's an admission!
04:56How many times have you asked Sharon to go dogging?
04:59Come on!
05:00How many times have you asked Sharon to go dogging?
05:02Come on!
05:03How many times have you asked Sharon to go dogging?
05:05Come on!
05:06What's that?
05:07Don't surprise me if you're three of yous we're all having a threesome!
05:12We're having a threesome!
05:13We're having a threesome!
05:14Come on!
05:15Come on!
05:16Come on!
05:17Come on!
05:18Come on!
05:19Bring it home!
05:20What are you doing here?
05:21Why are you here?
05:22Listen!
05:23Why are you here?
05:24You're only here because of her.
05:25She's my friend!
05:26Have you ever been dogging?
05:27Oh, I wish!
05:28Listen!
05:29You wish!
05:30Listen!
05:31Listen!
05:32You only met Dawn through me!
05:34Exactly!
05:35We went to yours with Dawn!
05:36Exactly!
05:37But me and Dawn were together!
05:38Please!
05:39So we're splitting out!
05:40Could you go back until I...
05:41Because I want to...
05:42No problem!
05:43Nice!
05:44So that's your...
05:45That's your sister!
05:46No, that was my sister!
05:49I want nothing to do with her!
05:51You told my team you want a relationship with her!
05:54I am that!
05:55Not with her!
05:56You know that!
05:57You just called her a fat mess!
05:58She is a fat mess!
05:59I'm to shame...
06:00I'm ashamed to say I was ever with Dawn!
06:02Was she good in bed?
06:03No!
06:04Let's have Dawn's back on the Jeremy Karl show!
06:06Listen!
06:07Listen!
06:08Listen!
06:09Listen!
06:10Listen!
06:11Listen!
06:12Listen!
06:13Listen!
06:14That was it!
06:15That was 9-1 for God!
06:16Well, I don't give a...
06:17You fucking...
06:18Hey!
06:19I'm clear after all!
06:20And...
06:21Don't give a...
06:22Listen!
06:23You even had my sister's house!
06:24You're nothing to do with this family!
06:26Nothing!
06:27Nothing!
06:28The best for me!
06:29The best for me!
06:30The best for me!
06:31The best for me!
06:32The best for me!
06:33My family's nothing to do with you!
06:34Back off!
06:35Back off!
06:36Back off!
06:37Back off!
06:38For me!
06:39Through thick and thin!
06:40If you don't like it!
06:41Yeah!
06:42Through thick and thin!
06:43Yeah!
06:44You mean through thick a pair of views!
06:45Uh, John welcome back!
06:46Why dear!
06:47How did you end up with Vinny?
06:48Worst mistake of my life!
06:50Worst mistake of my life!
06:51But you made a few love, to be fair, haven't you?
06:53Yeah!
06:54And you ended up with him!
06:55Yeah!
06:56Why are you with his sister now?
06:57You're just trying to score points, aren't you?
06:58I'm not with it!
06:59I'm living there, his sisters!
07:00I was homeless!
07:01What?
07:02You had a place he was living!
07:03I lost my house!
07:04You had a place he was living!
07:05No!
07:06I lost my house!
07:07Right!
07:08I lost my house!
07:09In the three months I was with Vinny, all he did was take drugs and steal money for me to
07:11get more!
07:12It was a complete waste of space!
07:13Yeah!
07:14His sister's there for me!
07:15She's changed my life!
07:16I've become best mates with her!
07:17She was never ever gonna let me go homeless!
07:19Why doesn't he just leave us alone to be mates?
07:21Answer that, Vinny!
07:22You've got screenshots of this!
07:23Private numbers, the other day!
07:25Private numbers?
07:26Yes, private numbers!
07:27Are you daft?
07:28No, I'm not daft!
07:29When was the message he sent?
07:30When was the message he sent?
07:32It weren't messages!
07:33It wasn't close!
07:34I don't want a relationship with Dawn and you don't want a-
07:38Do you know what?
07:39You'd have a job at that, mate!
07:40Mate, if you don't want-
07:41You'd have a job at that because I'm not even-
07:43Hello!
07:44Jeremy Carlsho!
07:45If you don't want a relationship with Dawn and you don't want a relationship with your sister,
07:48why don't you just let him get on with it?
07:50Why is it something like that?
07:51He's messaging me on Facebook and everything!
07:52Why are you messaging me on Facebook and everything?
07:53Why are you messaging me on Facebook and everything?
07:54Listen!
07:55Sharon blocked me!
07:56Sharon blocked me on Facebook!
07:57Sharon blocked me on Facebook!
07:58No!
07:59What are you gonna do with me?
08:02Listen!
08:03She blocked me on Facebook and then unblocked me a couple days ago!
08:07I don't know what that means!
08:09She blocked me!
08:10She never blocked me!
08:11She told me what-
08:12Life is based on whether you get blocked or not!
08:15No!
08:16Do you remember?
08:17Do you know what?
08:18I'll show you!
08:19I don't care about the phone!
08:20I want to know why it's so important to you!
08:22He feels that you are turning his family against him!
08:25No, I'm not-
08:26I don't want nothing to do with him at the end-
08:27So why are you with my family then?
08:28Because at the end-
08:29Why are you with my family?
08:30Sharon's not our friends!
08:31It doesn't matter!
08:32It doesn't matter!
08:33It doesn't matter!
08:34It doesn't matter!
08:35It doesn't matter!
08:36It doesn't matter!
08:37It's my family!
08:38Have you had a threesome with her and Adam?
08:40No, ever!
08:41You go dogging with Sharon and Adam?
08:43The only dogging me and Sharon do is take the dog for a walk!
08:49I think you look quite nice on the lead!
08:51What did you just say?
08:52I said I think she'd look quite nice on the lead!
08:54Sister Sharon said and I quote I wish I had gone dogging!
09:00He's on the Jeremy Karr show that way!
09:10You brought me on Facebook!
09:12You brought me on Facebook!
09:13And then all women!
09:14She is!
09:15You're going to have to go off.
09:17No!
09:18You're going to throw your off.
09:19Listen!
09:20Go on!
09:21We're going to throw your off!
09:22Listen, they're going to throw you off if you don't stop it.
09:24It's like betrayal.
09:26Do you know what I mean?
09:26Matty X living with you.
09:28Listen to him.
09:29You make me sick.
09:31No, it doesn't.
09:32What do you have to do today?
09:34Just stay the...
09:35Finn, Finn, you've been stupid.
09:37Don't be wrong.
09:40She's not making it up, is she?
09:42Well, I'll tell you what, run away, and then she...
09:45Why would you not stay?
09:46There's a feud in the family tearing your family apart.
09:54Do you think you're being lied to and need my help to prove it?
09:57If you're 16 or over and you'd like to be considered for the show,
09:59email talk at ITV.com along with your number.
10:02Text TALK plus your name to 63334.
10:05Text costs 25 pence plus one standard rate message.
10:07Or you can call my team today.
10:09It's 090111.
10:10It's 123456.
10:12Of course, it costs 25 pence plus network access charge.
10:16You said to me, it's either me or...
10:26Look at your...
10:27Yeah.
10:28You said it.
10:29Move.
10:30Sit down and shut your mouth.
10:31Can I speak?
10:31That's all you ever do is speak.
10:33You want to learn to yap it.
10:35Whoa.
10:35Yap it.
10:36Whoa.
10:37Listen.
10:38First, you said to me, is she still with you, that fa...
10:41I said, yeah.
10:43Yeah.
10:44You said, right, it's either me or her.
10:45And you said, I said...
10:47Then you said, block me.
10:48Yeah.
10:49And I said, no, you block me and you did it.
10:52Well, can we just forget the infantile rubbish?
10:56Why aren't you allowed...
10:57Hello?
10:58Why aren't you allowed to have a friend, whether it's your brother's ex or not?
11:01Ask him.
11:01Why has this caused this problem?
11:03Ask him.
11:03Ask him.
11:04I'm asking her.
11:05Shut up.
11:06Has your relationship always been bad with him?
11:08It's not been close.
11:10But I've...
11:10You've knocked on my door and I've helped you out.
11:13I've had you in my house.
11:15And you was also phoning...
11:16...for money so we could go out drinking.
11:19And you left me...
11:20You left me in Barton Town Centre while you brought some fella back.
11:25And left me...
11:26Listen, Jeremy.
11:28We went out to poll.
11:29Who got polled?
11:30Me.
11:31Five-five to them.
11:36This is what you've not said was, I'm 52 and you can...
11:39The guy couldn't even stand up.
11:43That's why he went with you, mate.
11:44Because he couldn't stand up.
11:45Oh, really? That's fine.
11:46So why couldn't you get a bloke?
11:47Why couldn't you get a bloke sober?
11:48Listen, we're not here for that, are we?
11:51My past is my past.
11:52We're not here for that.
11:53Well, you can bring my past up, can't you?
11:55How have I brought your past up?
11:56Because you brought my drugs up.
11:57Who's your new bloke?
11:58How long have you been with Adam?
11:59I've done three years.
12:00It's come next month.
12:01Really?
12:02Yeah.
12:03And you're happy?
12:04Very happy.
12:05Were you with him when you went out in the pool?
12:07No.
12:07We're going back three years now.
12:09I was single for three years.
12:11Why don't you...
12:11Do you go dogging with Adam?
12:13No.
12:14Literally, at one point, you had five men on the go.
12:16I was single!
12:17You had five men on the go.
12:18No denial at all.
12:19No denial.
12:20I was single.
12:21Right.
12:21Really?
12:22They all needed these.
12:23Really?
12:24Why are you slagging me off?
12:25Why?
12:26Because I don't...
12:26I do with you all.
12:27Why are you messaging me, telling me...
12:29You're a dirty, horrible dog.
12:29Really?
12:29I brought you on here to tell you to leave me down.
12:32She's not a sister of mine.
12:33Then why does it matter to you that she's got her living there?
12:35Let me live, all right?
12:36Why do you keep messaging him?
12:38I don't!
12:40When?
12:41Do you not?
12:41When?
12:42Where's your evidence?
12:43What?
12:43Where's your evidence?
12:44On my phone.
12:44Well, go on then.
12:45Bring it up.
12:46Right.
12:46I don't know.
12:47I don't know.
12:47They never explain to me.
12:49So, what colour are you, Vinny?
12:51Easy.
12:51You know family.
12:53You something.
12:53Oh, nice, thanks.
12:54Rather be a something.
12:55True thirds than lose all my kids because of heroin.
12:58All your men beat you up, you thick.
13:00Oh.
13:00I will punch your head in.
13:02That's not very nice, is it?
13:03Exactly.
13:03You send that?
13:04First time you're fretting to come round and do my head in.
13:06Listen.
13:07Why are you fretting to beat up your own sister?
13:09Yeah, why?
13:10Because I fret, uh, listen, a fella's fretting to rip my head off.
13:13Has he?
13:14Vice versa.
13:15What's your fella called?
13:16Adam.
13:16Adam's on the Jeremy Cloud show.
13:18That's right.
13:26Sit down.
13:27Sit down.
13:29Dumber.
13:29Yeah.
13:30Sit down.
13:31You're a waste of space.
13:31You're a waste of space.
13:33You're a waste of space.
13:34You're a waste of space.
13:34No.
13:35It's my waste of space, not yours.
13:38So he is a waste of space.
13:39No, he's not.
13:40No.
13:40Yeah, he is.
13:41You need to go up.
13:41Yeah, he is.
13:42I need to go up.
13:43Yeah.
13:43Yeah, all right.
13:44You like the child?
13:45Listen, you're asking other women in front of your missus to get the s*** out.
13:48Oh, Mark.
13:50That's between me, no?
13:50That's right, old Dio.
13:52That's between me, no?
13:53Where's the proof?
13:54Where's the proof?
13:55Yeah.
13:55Where's the proof?
13:56Show us the proof.
13:57Eh?
13:58It's usually the one that goes with the daughters.
14:01Yeah.
14:01Are you taking the family?
14:03I'm what you're jealous.
14:04And this all, this all for you.
14:07You asked us.
14:08Listen.
14:09You asked us.
14:10Listen.
14:11You asked us.
14:12Listen.
14:13You've turned around.
14:14You asked us.
14:16You are.
14:17Yeah.
14:17You are.
14:18Yeah.
14:20I'm telling you.
14:21You're going to sit down for my face.
14:27You're going to have to go up.
14:27You need to shut up.
14:28I knew my.
14:29Because I told you.
14:30Go on.
14:30They're going to throw you off.
14:31You don't stop it.
14:32You're making a laugh.
14:32You're throwing yourself off.
14:34You're with a woman who freely admits she only gets blokes when she's drunk.
14:37Why are you so against this bloke?
14:39I'm not against him.
14:40It's him that's called to trouble.
14:42I am there for my brother.
14:43I put a roof over his head.
14:44Is that true?
14:45When he's been on the run from heroin, people in Blackpool are after him.
14:49I put a roof over him.
14:50So you're jealous of the fact?
14:51Hear me out.
14:52Let's get.
14:52Oi.
14:53Does no one have to be in Blackpool?
14:54Oh God.
14:55There was.
14:56There was.
14:56Then let's get to it.
14:58Are you actually genuinely, is this all frankly, you're upset because this woman and her old
15:03man did a lot for you and you think they've taken her side.
15:06That's what this is about, isn't it?
15:07No, I don't think they've taken her back to you, right?
15:10Because you wanted to go back with you.
15:12Yeah.
15:14I'm going to go back with you.
15:15Three, four, three, four, three, red when you was on your head.
15:17Yeah.
15:18When I was on my head.
15:18Then why did you take her in knowing it was...
15:21Big question is, why did you take nothing against Dawn, but why would you take Dawn in when
15:26you know what that's going to do to him?
15:27Why would you do that?
15:28I would not see anybody on the screen.
15:29I haven't spoke for...
15:31You didn't know it would cause trouble.
15:32She is my friend.
15:33You must have known.
15:34No.
15:35No.
15:35Why don't you tell her how it makes you feel that they did that?
15:38Go on, instead of swearing...
15:39What is it?
15:40I feel betrayed.
15:41Shut up.
15:41Let me get something real for once with Vinnie and you.
15:44Just something real for once.
15:46Tell your sister.
15:47It feels like betrayal.
15:48How?
15:49Because you're having my ex living with you.
15:51Listen to him.
15:53You make me sick.
15:54No, it doesn't...
15:56I want to do with you after today.
15:57There's no need.
15:58I want to do with you after today.
16:02Crack.
16:02I did not blame you.
16:03I've got a little idea.
16:04I did not blame you.
16:05Go.
16:05Go.
16:05I did not blame you.
16:07I did not blame you.
16:08Listen.
16:08Just sit up.
16:09Just don't eat you.
16:11That's ridiculous.
16:12I don't want to sit in here.
16:13Yes, you do.
16:14Yes, you do.
16:15I hate you.
16:16Why have you brought me on here?
16:17You bring my...
16:18I don't know.
16:18You're that stupid.
16:19I've seen him quite a long time.
16:19Your brother, they go and talk to him.
16:21I know.
16:23Stay away from me.
16:24Vin, Vin, you're being stupid.
16:25Mate, you're being stupid.
16:27No.
16:27Get out of the way.
16:28Vin, sit back.
16:29Get out of the way from me.
16:30No, because you're calm.
16:31No, I don't want to hear me.
16:32Just listen to it.
16:33I hate you.
16:34I hate you.
16:35No, you don't.
16:36Because you brought my drugs into it.
16:39Nine months.
16:39When have I mentioned the drugs?
16:41I've got it on Facebook.
16:43Nine months.
16:43I've been living drugs.
16:44Can I just...
16:44Can I just...
16:45Nine months.
16:46Can I just tell you something?
16:47Can you just not move and shut up?
16:49I have not...
16:50He did a drugs test today.
16:51He's still on cannabis.
16:52We knew that.
16:53He is completely clear of the heroin.
16:55Do you know what the problem is?
17:08If you stop shouting, do you know what the problem is?
17:11You are so...
17:13Look at me.
17:14You're so histrionic.
17:15That's the first time in three years I've seen the real Vinny.
17:19Look at me.
17:20This has nothing to do with Dawn.
17:21This has to do with the fact that you, whatever you say, and you can sit there and shake your
17:25head, you think your sister's betrayed you.
17:28She was the one person who was there for you, and you have to understand.
17:33Yeah.
17:33You don't realise how important you are to him, do you?
17:35Yeah, probably, yeah.
17:36Yeah, well, you need to do something about it.
17:36And the same way and the vice versa.
17:39But we have not been that close.
17:40He only phones me when he wants money, or he wants anything else.
17:45Since when do I phone you for money?
17:46Stop swearing.
17:47I have my own money.
17:48So you've not asked me for money?
17:49And you've not asked me for money?
17:50Are you going to get back into that, or are we going to talk the truth?
17:53You love your sister, don't you?
17:54No, I don't.
17:55Yeah, you do.
17:55No, I don't.
17:56I have never turned my back on my brother.
17:58Never.
17:59Because you're not.
18:00Because we don't speak that much anyway.
18:02Because I don't want to speak to you.
18:03You make me sick.
18:04How do I make you sick?
18:05Why are you making all these accusations about me?
18:08Because you make me sick accusations.
18:09Yeah.
18:09None of it's true.
18:10The way you talk to her, you can't expect respect, Vinny.
18:13Telling somebody they're this, they're that, swearing and shouting and making threats
18:17is not the way you get people that you want in your life, in your life.
18:21You have.
18:22I suspect most people would disagree with me.
18:23I don't know.
18:24You have crossed a line.
18:25She can be your friend.
18:27But in his world, in his mind, in his life, you probably are.
18:30Although he would probably have said the complete opposite, the one stable thing he's got.
18:33So by putting the ex-girlfriend in the house, he feels betrayed.
18:36Don't you?
18:38I still talk to a couple of his exes.
18:40It's not rocket science.
18:42Okay?
18:44The two of you.
18:45If you just quit and were honest, right?
18:49Yep.
18:49She's helping somebody out.
18:51I don't think she did it maliciously against you.
18:55He's taken it in the way that he's taken it.
18:59For the first time in all the time I've known this man, this is the real person.
19:03Yep.
19:04He has got off the drugs.
19:05Could we not just stop screaming a minute, put you together?
19:09Where is Steph?
19:10Come here.
19:10Could we not just, away from your partner, away from Dawn, could you not just spend a
19:15little bit of time just being honest with each other?
19:18Yes, Vim?
19:20You want to do that, don't you?
19:21Yeah, I want to do that.
19:22Well, then why don't you do more?
19:24Because at the minute I'm not working so I explain to you, I don't get money just on the show.
19:38A week into the relationship, she admitted something happened.
19:56And what was that?
19:57She met this guy and she gave him all the sex.
20:01I don't want to do that.
20:02I don't want to do that.
20:03I don't want to do that.
20:04I don't want to do that.
20:05I don't want to do that.
20:07Julie, welcome back to the next guest today.
20:14Lee is here to confront his ex-partner, Julie, whom he says is stopping him being a father
20:18to their children.
20:18And Lee says that Julie's cheating caused their spit eight years ago.
20:22And even after battling through court to get access, she's now being difficult and is
20:25only interested in money.
20:26He says he's not leaving today unless he gets an agreement from her, Julie, that allows
20:30him to be a proper dad again.
20:32He says the biggest day of his life.
20:33Lee is on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
20:37I'm all good.
20:44Thanks for coming on.
20:46How difficult was it to make the decision to come here?
20:49It was petrifying, I'll just be honest.
20:51I ain't going to argue.
20:54Basically, the moral of it all is...
20:56Do me a favor, right?
20:57Take a breath.
20:57Sit up straight.
20:58Don't worry about it.
20:59We'll do the story.
20:59Sit up.
21:01Julie is your ex.
21:04Eight years ago, you say that her cheating...
21:07was the reason that you left.
21:10There are three children in this story.
21:12You say that since you split, and it was because of her, you've done everything right.
21:19You've paid money.
21:20You've tried to be a good father.
21:22And she makes every attempt to make things difficult.
21:25Take me back to why you split.
21:28Talk about the cheating.
21:292011, we was in...
21:33And literally, people was coming round that, like, we didn't know.
21:37Like, she'd have lads come round.
21:40Then it started, like, with people staying over.
21:43What, blokes would just stay over?
21:44Yeah, literally.
21:45In your house?
21:45There are, like, people that she knew.
21:47And you didn't know?
21:49That I don't know.
21:50So you go home from work, and there'd be a bloke sleeping over.
21:53There'd be all her friends.
21:54There'd be, like, women.
21:57Oh.
21:58Lads.
21:59Do you know what I mean?
21:59It got to the stage where it was, like, a party house.
22:02Do you know what I mean?
22:02Everyone used to just turn up there, like, and not leave.
22:05You, uh, you split up.
22:07Yeah.
22:08Um, within no time at all, she's pregnant.
22:11Yeah.
22:13She fell pregnant...
22:152000...
22:162011.
22:18Yeah, she didn't tell me, like, that she's pregnant at all.
22:22I found out through somebody else.
22:24Yeah, up until that day, she still did not say...
22:28How much longer were you, love?
22:31Literally, no, no, obviously, no, she had the baby.
22:34And, uh, I moved in with my sister.
22:37And I left Julie too for a little while, like.
22:40Obviously, I got access, like, to my children.
22:42Have you been a good dad?
22:44I've done my best with my kids.
22:46I always try my best.
22:48Sometimes it's just not good enough for her.
22:50You told my team, you talked about it in the opening as well,
22:53that she's been difficult, it's all about the money.
22:55What do you mean by that?
22:55Yeah, I mean, literally, like, me personally, like,
22:59I don't have the luxuries, like, I've been able to, like,
23:01just go get money from everywhere, like.
23:03Oh, I don't, I don't, I'm out of work at all.
23:05Let's cut to the chase.
23:06You say, you know, I know it's difficult.
23:08Listen, you're doing great.
23:09Let's cut to the chase.
23:09You say that, um, when I had a job.
23:11Yep.
23:12Uh, she was fine.
23:13Um, the minute I had some difficulties,
23:16and I haven't been working for the last three months,
23:19it's all about the drama, it's all about the money,
23:22she doesn't care about my relationship with those kids,
23:25she's now making it hard for me to see those kids,
23:28and in the end, I guess what you're saying is,
23:30it's all on her terms, and it's very difficult,
23:33because you want to continue the relationship
23:37that you've worked so hard to foster with all of those kids,
23:40not just the two you share with her biologically,
23:42but also Nicola, the 16-year-old that you brought up as your own.
23:45Why do you think that she is causing you problems and being difficult?
23:50It all comes down to, like, money, to be honest,
23:53because I live in Wolverhampton, like,
23:55it's a 30-mile difference, and I can't just, like,
23:58gain access to get over there, like, just like that.
24:01Do you know what I mean?
24:02Just like that.
24:03It's, like, I have to catch three trains, two buses.
24:06Five pieces of transport to go 30 miles?
24:09Jesus, they need to go a bit further.
24:10Because I have to go from one end...
24:12The train goes six miles and stops,
24:13another one goes six miles, stops,
24:15going in, going to get her back.
24:15Oh, yeah?
24:16Why doesn't one track? Never mind.
24:17Let's get on it.
24:19What's she like as a mother?
24:21She can be a good mum.
24:22I ain't going to argue there,
24:23but sometimes she just has her priorities wrong.
24:26What do you mean?
24:27Oh, I mean, my kids are...
24:29They've got tablets, Playstations, phones.
24:32They can sit on there all night long,
24:33and really, she ain't bothered what they're doing.
24:36Well, you said to my team, you know,
24:37this is the sort of woman that will allow a 13-year-old
24:40and even a 10-year-old to watch an 18-plus, you know, movie,
24:42and it just gets to the point,
24:46which I think a lot of men watching this can identify with,
24:48that you feel that they're being poisoned against you.
24:50Yeah.
24:50That it's all about money,
24:51and if it's not on her terms, then she makes it difficult,
24:54and you're saying,
24:54do you know what?
24:55I have a good relationship.
24:57I don't want that ruined.
24:57I've come here today because I want access.
24:59I'm a good dad, yeah?
25:00Strangely, she says,
25:01you're about the worst dad in the history of the world.
25:04She says that you're a violent pain in the arse
25:06who's never paid the right amount of money.
25:07In fact, she goes further and says,
25:09you're a disgrace of a father.
25:10Thought I'd share that with you.
25:11Julie's on the Jeremy Carr show that way.
25:20You are.
25:21Yeah, you are.
25:23Really?
25:23Yeah, you are.
25:24An absolute joke.
25:25Really?
25:27Come on, let's have it all.
25:28Watching, letting the kids watch 18-plus movies.
25:32Who had Nicola when I went in to have James?
25:34Jessica.
25:35You.
25:36Who let her watch the craze?
25:37You.
25:39Yeah, where was I?
25:40In hospital, having our son.
25:42Really?
25:42Okay, nice one.
25:44Mmm.
25:45Welcome to the show.
25:47You said it's about time Lee steps up as a dad
25:49and gets involved in children's lives once and for all.
25:51It's not about the money.
25:53It's about his lack of consistency.
25:55What do you mean by that?
25:55Because the last four years, he's barely been there for them.
26:00If I ring him and say, the kids need him, I can't get over to you,
26:03I ain't got the money, I can't get there, I can't do this, I can't do that.
26:06I said, I'll bring them to you.
26:08No, I've got nowhere to take them, I've got nowhere to have them.
26:10Come and have them here then and I'll go and stay out the night.
26:12No, I can't do that.
26:14What, and stay at your house and have you accused me of this, that, and the other?
26:17Not at all, because you'd be there with the kids, not me.
26:19Really?
26:19I wouldn't be there.
26:20Mmm, really?
26:21Yes, really.
26:22So, how come?
26:23Okay, so what about then, the year I was asking you to leave and you still wouldn't leave,
26:27and yet you was having sex with me on my living room floor?
26:29Did I really?
26:30Yes, you did.
26:31Really?
26:31Yes.
26:32Really?
26:32Nicola even knew about that.
26:34Really?
26:34Because she asked me why she was even staying.
26:36Really?
26:36So, here's the thing I don't get, and I'm going to be totally straight, because even your body
26:41language speaks that you don't really care.
26:43You just sit like that, mate.
26:44No, no, no.
26:45What?
26:45This house is anyway.
26:47Well, you need to sit up straight, get your head out your backside and look like you mean
26:49business.
26:50That's what I've said.
26:51I'm being serious, mate.
26:52If you really care about your kids, why don't you exude some passion?
26:58Here's the thing I don't get, because I believe you absolutely, but there's one thing that
27:02doesn't add up.
27:03You say that, in the end, you split because he was just really somebody, he was great at
27:09the start, but he started to make excuses.
27:11I believed he was cheating.
27:12We split.
27:13Yeah.
27:13Then you talk about how he became violent.
27:16No, I didn't see it.
27:17Domestic abuse.
27:18He wasn't violent.
27:19Never physically hit me.
27:20He was domestic abuse.
27:21When we split, he became violent and grabbed my daughter's neck, screaming at her.
27:24Yeah, to Nicola, yeah.
27:26To my daughter.
27:26This is the 16-year-old who's backstage.
27:28The reason she's backstage, and you would point that at me, if that's all right, but is
27:32because there are rules for television, and a 16-year-old has to feel comfortable about
27:37being involved.
27:37What's interesting about Nicola is that she asked to be on this show.
27:40We've got her backstage with Stuart, one of the aftercare team, and we will
27:43meet her in a minute.
27:44Here's the bit I don't understand.
27:45If this man, this is what I genuinely don't understand, I don't understand your story at
27:49all.
27:49When she was eight and you split because you thought he was a cheat and a pain in the
27:53backside, this man grabbed your daughter by the throat.
27:56Yes?
27:56Yeah.
27:57Yeah, that's true.
27:57And that was it after that.
27:58He was gone.
27:59Yeah, he was gone.
28:00So gone was he, that barely a year later, you allowed this man, I've got to put this
28:06to you whether you like it or not, to have his then five-year-old daughter live
28:10with him for a whole year.
28:12Yeah, hold on one second because I don't get this.
28:14How would you allow a man who's grabbed the throat of an eight-year-old, then have a five-year-old
28:18for a year and then say he's a rubbish dad?
28:20Don't make sense.
28:21I don't want to ask you that.
28:23Don't want to ask you that because we went through court, social services.
28:27So he went to court.
28:28We went through court, social services were involved at the time.
28:31We went through court.
28:32But they gave him visit and access, supervise to start with.
28:36They went through the checks with him and everything else.
28:37They said he'd sorted himself out.
28:39He'd got his life together.
28:40He was then allowed to see the kids on the supervise.
28:42Nicola didn't come into the court order because she's not biologically his, which everybody
28:46knows that.
28:46That's not, you know, anything.
28:48He was then, she sat alongside the court order.
28:51They then said he was allowed unsupervised contact.
28:54It was set certain times, certain days, once fortnight, but anything extra in between
28:58was allowed if he could manage it.
29:01So then at the time we'd gone through court, everything else, Jessica was a daddy's girl.
29:06From the minute she was born, she was all daddy.
29:08He'd get up in the night, he'd feed her.
29:10She'd settle for him, not me.
29:11And you said he was a great dad.
29:12He was.
29:13He was absolutely fabulous with Nicola.
29:14I admit it.
29:15I barely did the school runs.
29:16I hated going up to school.
29:17Everybody stared at me.
29:18It was fantastic.
29:19So why did it turn, how did it turn?
29:21Because he got addicted to the weed.
29:23He was always on his computer.
29:25Is that right?
29:26I didn't see his life changing at all.
29:28It was the same every day.
29:29Hold on, there is more to it.
29:30No, it was.
29:31It was the same every day.
29:32I even went to work.
29:33You were turning up at work with Nicola and Jessica.
29:36Oh, I can't cope.
29:36Oh, I've had enough.
29:37I had to give up my job.
29:38Oh, really?
29:39And then I said I'd had enough.
29:40I was telling you for a year.
29:41Are you going to sit there and justify the fact that you've got addicted to weed?
29:44It's quite sad what she said because you were a great dad, got addicted to weed and then
29:48you're rubbish.
29:48If I was told you is, yeah?
29:49I only started meeting after I told you we was over, I wanted you.
29:54You liar.
29:55You refused to leave.
29:56I have many witnesses to back me up on that.
29:58You were seen getting out of his car.
29:59No.
29:59A bit wrecked from you, isn't it?
30:00You were out on the bathroom floor or something.
30:02What?
30:03Don't think so.
30:04So you weren't?
30:05No.
30:06She was getting out of a boy's car.
30:07Doesn't mean she's having sex with him, does it?
30:08Oh, it does when she goes to skeg with him and turns the phone off.
30:11Skeg?
30:11Yeah.
30:11We were not together.
30:12We were going to the hotel, yeah?
30:15Hold on.
30:15Go on.
30:16Yeah, you had to imagine the romance.
30:18That's all, yeah.
30:18No, I didn't go to the hotel with him.
30:20Yeah, you did.
30:20I met up with him, we went to the pub, we had a drink.
30:23Me and you was not together.
30:24Did you go to Skegness for the night and turn your phone off?
30:27After we'd already split up.
30:28After we'd already split up.
30:30For a year he was still living there.
30:31Was it a night of fashion in Skegness?
30:32I got done.
30:33Pardon?
30:34I got done.
30:36Come on, what, in Skegness?
30:40Got done in Skegness.
30:41I got done for benefit fraud because they were saying that I was claiming for him when I was
30:46and I was claiming for myself.
30:47He would not leave.
30:48Can I ask you about something?
30:49You're sitting there and you're talking about the past relationship and it's almost like
30:52your point scoring.
30:53What is today about?
30:54Interesting, this woman is not saying you're a waste of space, you're not going to see
30:57your kids.
30:58She's actually saying.
30:59Yeah, listen, listen.
31:01I wish she'd listen.
31:02I've told her this, yeah?
31:03No, you're not listening to her.
31:05No, not yet.
31:07Or her.
31:07Listen.
31:08Oh, whatever.
31:10I've offered, I've passed my test a year and a half.
31:13I don't like Mareways, but I've offered to drive a long way around, which is an hour
31:16and ten minutes.
31:17I don't care.
31:18It could be two hours.
31:19I've offered to take the kids to him.
31:21He says to me, I've got no money.
31:22Take them to the party, don't need money.
31:24No, I've got nowhere to take them.
31:25I've got nothing to give them to eat.
31:26I'll bring them a packed lunch.
31:27No, I can't do it.
31:28All the time.
31:29Is that true?
31:30No.
31:30Yes.
31:31No.
31:31Even Nicola knows.
31:32Is that the time when you actually was going to bring them over?
31:34When you do it until four o'clock in the morning and then you want to drive them over at eight o'clock in the morning?
31:38No, you haven't put my kids in the car.
31:39I don't even drink.
31:41I haven't touched a drink for a very long time.
31:43Well, I've got something interesting for you.
31:44I've got people looking after the kids.
31:45Really?
31:46Yes.
31:46So why...
31:47Because he plays on games, they talk about it at school, so I'm supposed to control everything he does, am I?
31:54I don't think so.
31:55You've sat there and gone, oh, he says he's having cocaine.
31:58Yeah.
31:58He says it.
31:59If I genuinely thought that, I'd be in the nearest court and I wouldn't leave until I got full custody.
32:04No, I have to.
32:04Because I'd be worried if I have to.
32:06Come on.
32:07I wouldn't get full custody anyway.
32:09So why are you on a television show slagging her off when she's the one doing the ground?
32:14Really?
32:14And she's sitting here saying, I want you to be involved.
32:17in their lives.
32:18She's not saying you can't.
32:20Why are you not saying, look, I could have done more.
32:23She's saying, I could have been a little...
32:24Why are you not meeting...
32:25I haven't said I can't do more.
32:26Well, then why don't you?
32:27Because at the minute I'm not working, so I explain to you, I don't get money, just like she does.
32:32Why don't you use some of your benefit money to get on a bus to go and school?
32:35Why don't you then?
32:38I have sanctions.
32:40So the only reason that you've stopped seeing your kids is because you're not working?
32:44Yeah.
32:44So you saw them up to three months...
32:46I've offered to take them over to him, so that's not an excuse.
32:49No, it ain't.
32:50I've offered to bring them to you.
32:51So there's a great offer.
32:52No, because it all comes down, it's the same thing.
32:54What?
32:54Did you hear what she said about...
32:55How does it come down to money then?
32:57Come on, I've heard you say that so many times.
32:58Did you not take the kids away for the six weeks holiday?
33:00Yes.
33:01Do you know how that was paid for?
33:02Family fund.
33:03Hold on, hold on.
33:04How long was their way for?
33:06Five days.
33:07Monday's Friday.
33:07And how many times did you ring me?
33:10You didn't.
33:10Why should we ring you?
33:11It's exactly my point.
33:12Can I ask you a question?
33:13It's almost like you smoke.
33:14Tell him the impact of him not being around on the kids.
33:17Tell him.
33:17She's devastated.
33:19Really?
33:19Yeah, she is.
33:20Really?
33:20She's saying, I want you to be involved.
33:22She's saying, I don't get a response off her at all.
33:25She doesn't want to speak to you because you don't come and see her.
33:27Who?
33:27Jessica.
33:28I asked Jessica if she wanted me to come last weekend and the weekend before.
33:31And I didn't get a response.
33:33Tell you what I want to do.
33:34I'll tell you what I want you to do.
33:35Stop arguing.
33:36Watch that screen.
33:37You're 16 year old.
33:38The one you grabbed by the throat.
33:39You don't deny that.
33:40Yeah, I do actually.
33:41If that was the case.
33:43Why don't you shut your mouth and open your ears?
33:45I'm going to talk to her.
33:45See what you think.
33:46That's a good idea.
33:47How are you, sweet?
33:55Hello.
33:56Nice to meet you, Stu.
33:58I said, Stuart, I said out there that, you know, there are rules and you are 16.
34:02But what is really interesting is that you were the one who wanted to do this today.
34:07And you're here for your siblings.
34:08Yeah, 100%.
34:09Because you just don't bother.
34:10Like, you just don't bother at all.
34:12At all.
34:13Like, he'll say, come over, and then he won't.
34:15Or he'll say, oh, I've missed the bus.
34:17Or I've got no money.
34:18Yeah.
34:18How does he get his weed done if he's got no money?
34:21Do you know what I mean?
34:22What does that do?
34:25What did that do to you growing up?
34:26Oh, he's just, like, the messages he sent me before, like, my mum's birthday, like, once
34:32he said that, I just didn't want anything to do with him.
34:33And just because, he's just so nasty, like...
34:35What's it done to your brother and sister?
34:38Like, just, they're heartbroken.
34:39Like, they just want a dad.
34:40At the end of the day, me losing my dad, like, I just want them to see them have theirs.
34:43Do you know what I mean?
34:44Is your relationship with him gone, finished?
34:46Yeah, I hate him.
34:47I absolutely hate him.
34:48I just don't want nothing to do with him.
34:49Did he pin you against a wall and grab you by the thing?
34:50Yeah, um, I don't remember why or what I did.
34:53I just remember him.
34:54I've been in, like, the dining room, living room thing, whatever it was, and I was just
34:57pinned up the wall, and he was just shouting at me.
34:58And I just remember spit flying in my face.
35:00He's walking off now?
35:02Yeah, because he knows.
35:03Why is he walking off?
35:04Does he want...
35:05Is it because he doesn't like the truth?
35:07Don't like it.
35:08He don't like being confronted.
35:09Don't like...
35:09Don't like...
35:10He just don't like it, like...
35:12You're 16 years of age, and I repeat, there are rules.
35:14Do you want to go and sit out there with your mother, or are you happier here?
35:17What do you want to do?
35:18I don't know.
35:18I don't like being in front of a lot of people.
35:20Neither do I.
35:22All right, I'll tell you what.
35:23Mum, can you come back here a sec to me?
35:25Oh, what's he doing?
35:25He's walking...
35:26Are you kidding me?
35:27But I'm here.
35:28Oh, you're joking, man.
35:30Where is he going?
35:36Where is he going?
35:38Right, listen, I need to go and get him.
35:39Can you bring...
35:40Do you want to stay here with your mum, or come and meet?
35:41There's no audience.
35:42We're going to be out the back.
35:43Just come and meet.
35:44Where's he gone?
35:44Come here.
35:45Excuse me.
35:46Where's he gone?
35:51Why?
35:53It's like the Jeremy Kyle Olympics again.
35:55Here we go.
35:57Where are we going now?
35:58Hello?
35:58We're not doing the drama.
36:01Where are you walking off to?
36:03Buddy, that's your cha...
36:04Oi!
36:04Well, listen, this kid.
36:06No, right, yeah?
36:08She's not making it up, is she?
36:09Yeah?
36:10Well, I'll tell you what, run away, and then she...
36:12No, no, no.
36:13Well, why would you not stay?
36:14Yeah?
36:15Yes, you are running away.
36:16You're there, yeah?
36:17Making up me, like, my...
36:19Oh, no, no, no, not the case.
36:21Well, she sits there like she's with Mary Poppins.
36:23Nah.
36:23She's 16 years of age, and she's saying that her siblings want her father.
36:28Why don't we try and do it calmly?
36:30Come with me.
36:30Just come.
36:31There's nothing to lose.
36:33Just come.
36:34Just walk.
36:35Just come.
36:36Just come.
36:38Just come.
36:42Cool and calm.
36:43I'm not doing this shouting.
36:45With the greatest of respect...
36:47You blame it all on me.
36:48Just sit down.
36:48I didn't blame it all on you, did I?
36:50No shouting were in front of this girl.
36:52Can I just say something?
36:53With the greatest of respect, yes, you've...
36:55See, this is the point to me.
36:56Can I please...
36:57Not at his point, though.
36:58Can I please just say this without you shouting,
37:00because this is what she wants me to do.
37:01You changed your life.
37:02Yep.
37:03This man says that three weeks ago,
37:06he finally made the decision to quit weed,
37:07and he's changed his life.
37:09I was saying, everybody can change their life at some point.
37:13She says she wants you to be involved.
37:14You say you want to be involved.
37:16If we continue with this, it'll go on.
37:18And she's dead right.
37:19Her siblings will end up whatever...
37:20And you both weren't like this, but I'm going to say it.
37:22They'll end up hating both of you.
37:23Yeah.
37:23Because they'll see you argue all the time,
37:25and they'll want to get out of their house
37:26and go and live their own lives.
37:27So what I'm saying is,
37:28fair play if you've changed your life in the last three weeks.
37:31But you haven't been a saint all your life.
37:33No, I didn't say I was.
37:33She ain't saying you're a scumbag, you can't see your kids.
37:35We need to stop the drama.
37:37She's right.
37:38She's the calmest one here, right?
37:41Mediation to work at...
37:42Not like I'm going to court to get the kids here.
37:43You're not seeing them.
37:44And none of us are saying that.
37:45The kids need the dad.
37:47The dad was a great dad.
37:48He lost his way on weed.
37:49Bit rich.
37:50You used to make some problems.
37:51You've changed your life.
37:52She's been a great mum.
37:53Stop points scoring off each other
37:54and concentrate on what matters,
37:56which is the children, isn't it?
37:57Isn't it?
37:57I want you to do me a favour.
38:03I want you to say what you think to both of them.
38:05Am I right in what I just said?
38:07Yeah.
38:07At the end of the day,
38:08my mum's always there for us.
38:09She looks after us day in, day out.
38:11She doesn't go out.
38:12She doesn't see her friends.
38:13The only person she sees...
38:14And Lee was also there at the start, wasn't he?
38:16He was.
38:16He was.
38:17He was there at the start.
38:17I don't remember him ever being nice
38:18because I remember him coming and kicking off,
38:21being nasty to me.
38:22Like, when he tried to come and take the kids out of the house
38:24and I was shouting up,
38:25saying, I hate you, I don't want to come with you
38:26because he was always nasty.
38:28But...
38:28I doubt he's changed his ways.
38:29He's probably going to be smoking weed tomorrow or later.
38:31Well, he says he has
38:31and we have to surely give him the benefit of the doubt.
38:33And I respect your mum
38:34because your mum,
38:35I want you to understand this, Lee.
38:37She's come here and she said he was a great dad.
38:40I'll look past what he's done.
38:41I want him to be involved.
38:42And however much you slag this woman off,
38:45not only has she come here and been a great mother,
38:48she deals with very difficult situations, right?
38:50Yeah.
38:50There aren't many women
38:51whose other half has suddenly gone off on weed
38:54and isn't a dad
38:55that would offer to drive an hour and a half
38:56and still be on national television
38:58saying, I care about my kids first and foremost.
39:00So what you guys have to do
39:01is stop screaming at each other
39:04and think about the bigger game,
39:06which is what the aftercare team,
39:07Stuart, Steph, Karen, will do, OK?
39:10She's right.
39:11Maybe her relationship's gone,
39:13but you two have to make an agreement
39:15for the sake of those kids.
39:16And I'm sorry,
39:17but this woman has come here saying,
39:19you can, you've said you want it,
39:20make it damn well work.
39:22You're adults, yes?
39:23Are you happy with that?
39:24Yes?
39:25Yeah.
39:25Yes?
39:26Yeah.
39:27That's saying it'll work,
39:28but at least that's the basis of a conversation.
39:30Thank you, Stuart.
39:31All yours.
39:31Give him a round of applause.
39:32She came out with quite possibly,
39:34I don't know whether it's the greatest
39:36or most unbelievable line
39:37ever in the history of the Jeremy Karsha,
39:39when she said,
39:39I realised Kyle in the middle
39:41of performing oral sex
39:43on this other man
39:43that I loved Craig.
39:49So I stopped.
39:52So we asked us to start your race
39:53with Craig apart from what you've admitted to,
39:55have you passionately kissed anyone else?
39:56You said no.
39:56Why did you say no?
39:57Have you been betrayed by someone close to you?
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40:35Welcome to our next guest today.
40:36Craig is here for
40:37make or break lie detector results
40:38with his fiancée, Emma.
40:40Now he says that Emma's already
40:41a bit at giving another man oral sex.
40:43Now that'll do it.
40:44And says she might have kissed another man
40:46while she was drunk.
40:47It's a good start to a relationship.
40:49He says he's desperate for answers
40:50as their wedding is on hold.
40:53Shut up.
40:53Until he gets the truth.
40:58Wilt thou marry me
40:59if you stop doing that.
41:01Craig,
41:01his Emma Jeremy Kyle show that.
41:03Um, hello.
41:12Hello.
41:14I just want to be honest with you.
41:17I don't want you to take this the wrong way.
41:18How long have you been with Emma?
41:20Over two years.
41:22I read your notes and I feel sorry for you
41:24and I don't want that to sound
41:25in any way condescending.
41:27I mean,
41:29you say I have many trust issues
41:30from previous relationships.
41:33The nagging doubts are causing you to go insane.
41:36You need answers.
41:37Um,
41:38I knew from the first moment
41:40when we met in Wetherspoons
41:41that I loved her.
41:47Aww.
41:49Over a mozzarella finger.
41:55You say we're desperate to start a family
41:57but there is something nagging in your head.
41:59Now,
42:00I realise that this is difficult for you to talk
42:02and quite how I'm going to put this
42:03in early morning television speak
42:05is beyond me.
42:06Um,
42:07a week into the relationship
42:09she admitted something happened.
42:11What was that?
42:14She met this guy
42:15and she gave him all sex.
42:20Not in Wetherspoons.
42:24She came out with quite possibly,
42:27I don't know whether it's the greatest
42:28or most unbelievable line
42:30ever in the history
42:31of the Jeremy Kass show
42:32when she said,
42:33I realised Kyle in the middle
42:34of performing oral sex
42:36on this other man
42:37halfway through
42:38that I loved Craig.
42:45So I stopped.
42:48Now,
42:48on a serious note,
42:50all joking aside,
42:51how does that make you feel?
42:54Proud that she stopped
42:55or I don't,
42:56I'm...
42:56emotional wreck.
43:02You've got wedding tattoos,
43:03haven't you?
43:04Yes, we have.
43:04What does that mean?
43:06That I want to be away forever.
43:08So where's the tattoo?
43:09I don't know why I'm asking.
43:09Oh,
43:10on your ring finger.
43:12Yeah.
43:13She got one.
43:14Yes,
43:14she has.
43:15Right,
43:16I'm getting married,
43:16but I'm not going to have one of them on.
43:17So she's done a,
43:20she's done a lie detector test
43:22and if she passes this,
43:23then all is good.
43:24I hope so,
43:25yes.
43:25What if she doesn't?
43:26Then I do want help.
43:29And I,
43:30no matter what,
43:31I do want to be with her.
43:34Because I'll never stop loving her.
43:35You're a nice man
43:36and I appreciate you being here.
43:38You say,
43:38if she passes the test,
43:39it'll be the happiest day of my life.
43:40Emma's on the Jeremy Carr show.
43:57Emma,
43:57welcome to the show.
43:59Today I'm here to put my fiancée's doubts to rest.
44:02I haven't cheated unfaithful.
44:04Yeah.
44:05You all right?
44:06Yeah.
44:07Nervous?
44:08Yeah.
44:08You cheated at the very beginning
44:11of the relationship.
44:12I don't,
44:13I don't want it to be sordid or anything,
44:15but why would you do that?
44:17We'd only been together a week,
44:19so that's not really long.
44:20And I wanted to make sure
44:22I was completely over this other guy
44:24before I got with him.
44:28What better way to go about
44:29finding out if you're sure?
44:31But I was.
44:32But aren't you playing with
44:34not only the guy,
44:35well aren't you,
44:36I don't know,
44:37God.
44:37Aren't you playing
44:38with everybody's heart
44:39by doing that?
44:41We'd only been together,
44:42we'd only met each other
44:43a couple of times,
44:45so it was in the first week.
44:47What was the other incident
44:48you haven't talked about
44:49at the barbecue?
44:51We got totally drunk,
44:53me, him
44:54and some neighbours.
44:56Right.
44:56And I couldn't remember
44:58if one of the guys
44:59had kissed me.
45:00What?
45:00But they were there.
45:01Who kissed you?
45:02If the neighbour,
45:03not the neighbour,
45:03the neighbour's friend
45:04had kissed me.
45:07Just to kiss?
45:08Yeah.
45:08They were there.
45:10Oh, it makes it all right then.
45:11How did you feel about that?
45:12I didn't see it.
45:15My neighbours told me
45:16that it happened.
45:17Um,
45:18your sex life has gone down,
45:20it's gone from three or four times a week
45:22to three or four times a month.
45:24That's called marriage.
45:26Yeah.
45:26As ever the...
45:28Oh, we've got a production now.
45:29Emma admitted,
45:30now this is just factual
45:30and you'll know most of this,
45:31Emma admitted kissing another man
45:33and giving him oral sex
45:35at the beginning of her relationship
45:36with Craig.
45:36We talked about that.
45:37She also admitted kissing
45:38someone at a barbecue last year,
45:39though she can't remember
45:40exactly what happened
45:41due to drinking too much.
45:43So we asked,
45:43since the start of your relationship
45:44with Craig,
45:44apart from what you've admitted to,
45:46have you passionately kissed anyone else?
45:47You said no.
45:47Why did you say no?
45:49Because it was a trade.
45:50No, you're a liar.
45:54Since the start of your relationship
45:55to Craig,
45:56apart from what you've admitted to,
45:57have you had sexual contact
45:58with anyone else?
45:59You said no.
45:59Why did you say no?
46:00It's a trade.
46:01No, this test says you're a liar.
46:04Looks like this test says
46:05you failed on every single question,
46:06including sexual intercourse.
46:10I will.
46:11I haven't.
46:13I technically haven't.
46:15You technically haven't.
46:16No, I haven't.
46:18What does that mean?
46:19I'm always with you.
46:21Oh, come on, love.
46:22What do you mean,
46:22you technically haven't?
46:23I honestly haven't.
46:26I'm always with you
46:27or at home.
46:29It's fake
46:29because I know
46:30I haven't slept with anyone else.
46:32Shall I tell you what's fake?
46:34The BS coming out of your mouth, love.
46:40Come here.
46:42I know.
46:42Sit down.
46:43She is always with me, Jazz.
46:46She is.
46:47Since we've been living together,
46:48she's always with me.
46:49But I don't understand that.
46:50Listen, it's not for me.
46:52We stand by that test?
46:53Yeah.
46:54A million percent.
46:55I like you.
46:56I read your notes
46:57I said at the beginning of our chat.
46:58I just...
47:01Male or female,
47:03young or old.
47:04We've all been in that position
47:05when we love somebody
47:06far more than the person
47:08reciprocates that love to us.
47:09I said that to you
47:10and it's horrible
47:10and it's easy to look
47:11and make a comment
47:13and when you're in that,
47:15nothing can change your mind.
47:16Even me, look.
47:17Yeah, I've been in that position.
47:18You think it's going to be all right.
47:20You think that person loves you
47:22but they don't really like you love them
47:24so it's horrible.
47:26So you can carry on.
47:27I mean, frankly,
47:27I don't understand
47:28why she wouldn't have got her backside
47:29out here to come and see
47:30if you're all right
47:30but that's my business
47:31but I just...
47:34Stay with her.
47:35Marry her.
47:36But you want to look over your shoulder
47:37for the rest of your life.
47:38You have to man up
47:39and you have to say to her,
47:40listen,
47:40I don't like what you've done.
47:42I don't believe you.
47:43I want the absolute truth
47:44and whether I can make this work or not
47:45I don't know
47:46but I cannot, right?
47:47Aftercare can do many things.
47:48They cannot engineer trust
47:50in a relationship, okay?
47:52I know you love her.
47:53I do love her.
47:54You have to ask yourself in time
47:57whether she feels the same.
47:59We will sit.
48:00We will talk.
48:02I'm not going to go after her
48:03for one reason.
48:04I think she has to think about
48:05what she's done.
48:08Somebody will whisper in my ear
48:09in a minute or an hour
48:10there was something that's remembered.
48:12you have every right
48:14to make
48:15the decision to carry on
48:17but make it for you.
48:19Don't make it for her.
48:20Have a listen to the excerpt.
48:21So I've been a round of applause.
48:22Thanks for coming on, mate.
48:29Never easy, like I said, is it?
48:30You know, when you love somebody
48:31it's not reciprocated.
48:32We'll work with them.
48:32We'll let you know I am
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