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00:00Our first guest today, Dawn, is here to confront her granddaughter, Laura, who she says is a
00:08compulsive liar and a prolific thief. What happens if she's stolen this phone today?
00:13Well, that's it. I've finished with her. I don't want no one else to do with her.
00:16I know for well I have not took my iPhone. I'm sick of the finger getting pointed at me.
00:19Well, don't speak next to them, because you've accused her daughter, Hannah, right?
00:21She's got a past. There's Nikki.
00:24To prove it, you can all go.
00:26So, I don't want nothing to do with any of you ever again.
00:30Brian is your potential dad. He left when you were two.
00:33He just thought we went out for a picnic, but we never actually would come back.
00:36You tuned into the Jeremy Carr show, and there was your dad, being reunited with a daughter.
00:42One of 14 children that he had.
00:4714 children?
00:48Yeah.
00:49How many of the 14 do you see?
00:50Four.
01:00Hello, friends. Good morning. I'm a big, big welcome to the show.
01:11Now, our first guest today, Dawn, is here to confront her granddaughter, Laura, who she says is a compulsive liar and a prolific thief.
01:16Dawn says six months ago her mobile phone was stolen. She's certain Laura is to blame.
01:20She says that once the lie detector proves she is a liar, Laura, she will never, ever, ever be welcome in her house again.
01:26She says does, Dawn. Me granddaughters no good. Dawn's on the Jeremy Carr show that way.
01:38They tell me you're not a happy lady.
01:39No.
01:40No?
01:40No.
01:42Talk to me. This is your granddaughter, right? Hannah is your daughter.
01:46Yeah.
01:46Leslie's here, your partner. You are 100% sure that Laura's taken this phone. Let's talk about it.
01:51This girl's got history, right?
01:52Yes. We've fixed it up since she was eight years old, and previously she's taken money from us.
01:57You put a roof over her head for the last 10 years.
02:00You say this is just the lowest thing that anybody could do.
02:05Yes. She just started stealing money. Did you discipline her? Did you?
02:09We, like, obviously confronted her and asked her to take the money. She kept it, denied it.
02:14It's interesting you say Laura moved out. Things around the house stopped going missing.
02:17Yeah.
02:18You have no doubt that it's her.
02:20Yeah.
02:20What happens if she's stolen this phone today? Because I know she's stolen money before in your mind. What happens?
02:25Well, that's it. I finish with her. I don't want nothing else to do with her.
02:28I think she's not welcoming my house again.
02:30You just say gut feeling is she's a thief.
02:32Yeah. He wants to. He obviously gives her the benefit of the child.
02:35This girl says you've got no damn right to accuse her. You don't know who you're talking to.
02:38She would never do that. Laura's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
02:47Didn't even look at your accuser.
02:48No, I know because I know full well I have not took no iPhone.
02:50I'm sick of the finger getting pointed at me saying I've took it because I know full well.
02:53I'm the one that rang the show.
02:54So if I'm the one that's wronged the show, I've got nothing to hide.
02:57And I'm sick of it. It's constant. Everyone point finger at Laura.
03:00Well, no, it's not happening because I have not took no iPhone.
03:02And when this life sector proves, I don't want nothing to do with not one of you ever again.
03:05Sorry, what are you saying? Who are you?
03:07I'm Dawn's, well, Liz's granddaughter.
03:09Did I ask you to speak?
03:11Did I ask you to, what's your name?
03:12Amy.
03:13I'll speak with you. You've got room to talk because you've been nicking money out of your mum's jeans pocket.
03:16She snuck in.
03:17Snuck in the bedroom.
03:19When your mum thinking your mum want to sleep, pulling jeans out of the bedroom, took money out of it,
03:22and then threw it back in. But little did you know, your mum went awake.
03:24Is that true or false?
03:25That's false.
03:26No, it's not.
03:26Why are you doing a lie detector then?
03:28To prove that I haven't took anything.
03:29So you're in the frame, yeah?
03:30Yeah.
03:30So why are you believing it's her?
03:31Because she's stolen before and never admitted anything.
03:34And you're the one that admits anything.
03:36You admit nothing at all.
03:37I'll tell you what it is.
03:37It's because I've moved out with granddads, and I'm not there to do your cleaning, your babysitting,
03:41and not one of you's like it.
03:43That's what it is, because I've moved out and got my own partner, my own little family going,
03:46and you don't like it.
03:47No, it isn't.
03:47Yes, it is.
03:48No, it's not.
03:48No, no.
03:49Dawn, you have to speak up.
03:50She said you treat her like a skivvy.
03:52No, we didn't.
03:52Because when I was cleaning up, when I was cleaning up, what was you doing?
03:56Sitting down on the iPad all day, on Facebook, on games, and Amy can even consent to that,
04:01because Amy didn't really use cleaning the house all the time, and what was she doing?
04:03Sat down on the iPad doing nothing.
04:05She did help.
04:05No, she didn't.
04:06What, little bits doing dishwasher?
04:08You've accused her of something on national television, you haven't got any proof.
04:11Have you?
04:11If you haven't got it in black and white, or on camera, it's saying that I've took it.
04:13Once Laura moved out of the house, nothing went missing.
04:16Answer there.
04:16And something moved out of the house, and everything stopped going missing.
04:19Definitely not.
04:19Are you always there thinking that money and everything was going missing?
04:22Definitely not.
04:23But as soon as you...
04:24What, a pound or two when I was younger?
04:25Goes further than that, you said this woman, who is not blood-related, is trying to turn
04:28my granddad against me.
04:30Yes, she is, because...
04:30Tell her, not me, mate.
04:31When you came round and said that your granddad said you don't want nothing to do with me,
04:34why would you say that if you've brought me up since I was nine?
04:36Yeah, because she thinks you've took the phone as well.
04:38Well, I'll prove it to you today, and then I'll prove that I have...
04:40Are you annoyed your granddad's taken her, so?
04:41I'm annoyed.
04:41I'm shaking, because I'm that mad.
04:43And he knows that you've taken money?
04:44No.
04:44No iPhone, I've gone missing.
04:46Why do you think it's her daughter?
04:47Well, don't you think Nick to, then, because she's accused her daughter Hannah, right?
04:49She's got a past of Nick-in.
04:51Has your daughter got a past of Nick-in?
04:52No, I'm a chair.
04:53Can I get me a chair, please?
04:54What?
04:54No, she hasn't got a past of Nick-in.
04:56Well, I'll come then, last time, when she came to the show, when Hannah was with me
04:59on the show, hang on a minute, she was in the police station in a police cell for Robinson
05:03shopping from Asda, £200 worth of shopping.
05:05That's why she couldn't come at the same time.
05:07Is that true?
05:08Hello?
05:09Is that true?
05:09No, she hasn't.
05:10She hasn't.
05:11Let's get Hannah on the Jeremy Carl show, she's got me.
05:19Amy, have you stolen before?
05:21Yeah, in the past, when I was a young teenager, yeah.
05:23So why has everybody pointed their finger at her?
05:25Because I'm the black sheep of the family, like everybody's saying.
05:27No, Laura, it isn't like that at all.
05:28It's not like that at all.
05:28Yes, it is, it is.
05:29I'm awful.
05:29Well, it is, Laura, and everyone knows you've got a past, I've got a past, David's got a past.
05:33I ain't denied it, Amy ain't denied it.
05:34You're the only one that denies that you've ever...
05:36Denied it because I haven't taken the iPhone.
05:38So once I prove it, you cannot go...
05:40It's nothing to do with any of you ever again.
05:43She's pointing at me all the time.
05:45Same as I'm here to prove that I ain't...
05:47You didn't, she nicked it.
05:47But hang on a minute, I'm not going to...
05:49What, your mum says she has?
05:50I'm not going to...
05:50And you've been in prison for nicking...
05:52I haven't been in prison.
05:52She said you were in a jail cell.
05:54Did you go in a police cell?
05:55No.
05:55I've never been in it, I've never...
05:56I'm prison, I've never even been to her tomorrow.
05:58I've never got took to a police station or something because she couldn't come at the same time as me.
06:01That's what annoys you though, the fact that your granddadder you were close to, you feel is being turned against you by these two aren't even related to you.
06:08And yours and your granddad's relationship is being affected.
06:10Yep.
06:11How do you answer that?
06:12Come on.
06:13I was only here, obviously, Jeremy, you've met me before.
06:15I came here with you, Laura.
06:16We've always supported her.
06:17When your mum wasn't there for you and whatever else, I came here and I came to support you.
06:20And then now you're accusing me and pointing the finger at me about the iPhone.
06:22Yes, but the best thing about it, it seems to be like, sure.
06:24Me and my mum have worked for it, which isn't the audience supporting me.
06:27If I stole the iPhone, would I help look for it?
06:29Well, God knows what time at night time.
06:30Did you steal the phone?
06:31No.
06:32Not at all?
06:32The lie detector is going to prove I haven't stolen the phone.
06:34You've done it as well, right?
06:35In a minute, by the way, those two lie detector results.
06:37Why have you done one, Amy, in the audience?
06:39Because I got accused, apparently, that I took the iPhone and I wasn't even...
06:42Well, that's why you'd be doing it.
06:43But why are you in the frame?
06:44Were you there?
06:45No.
06:45No.
06:45I'm confused.
06:46Also, by the way, to be fair, granddad Les is coming out.
06:49Like you say, my relationship with him is really important, but that's being destroyed by these people.
06:53You say, he believes she's nicked it, yeah?
06:55Yeah.
06:56Well, get Les and treble lie detector next.
06:58Don't go anywhere.
06:58She's stolen long before.
07:00But you don't even know that for sure, do you?
07:02Yes.
07:02Yes.
07:03There was no one else in the house.
07:04No one else in the house.
07:05You got the answer there.
07:06You were saying that about the iPhone, but look how many people were in and out of your house, I'm here.
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07:41Thank you very much to me.
07:41Welcome back.
07:42Before the break, Dawn came out.
07:43You met she married to her granddad, Les, and you say,
07:45we took her in at nine to stop her going into care.
07:47Laura, the way she repays.
07:48This is Nick and it started with fivers and tenors and it's escalated.
07:51100 quid.
07:51Now this iPhone.
07:52Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
07:53No £100 has got missing from me and no £10 has.
07:55Neither has no £5.
07:56See what I mean?
07:57Pointing fingers constantly.
07:59The rent money.
07:59No.
08:00Have you ever admitted stealing anything?
08:02Yes.
08:02What?
08:03Like I said, when I was younger, I took the odd pound, £2 to school.
08:06They asked me and I said, yes, I have taken it.
08:07Why didn't you ask for it?
08:09Because they don't always give me it when I asked.
08:10Oh, well, Ben.
08:11They don't have it.
08:11It's the don't have it when I was like, whenever my mum and dad have ever had,
08:14and you asked for it, they always got it.
08:15Granddad, Les, you were close to, he brought you up.
08:17Yeah.
08:18But now, you say these people are turning him against you.
08:21Les is on the Jeremy Carl show that way.
08:22CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
08:24You're not bringing me on the show because they're trying to turn me against you.
08:32Your previous actions have made me think that...
08:36What previous actions?
08:37Stealing from us.
08:38And it wasn't £5, £10 and £100, so I don't know where you're getting that from,
08:41because I've taken the £100.
08:42And Amy was there at the time as well.
08:43Many, many times you've taken money from us.
08:46You haven't admitted to it.
08:47Amy has.
08:48Not all my days.
08:49No, she hasn't.
08:50She's never admitted to taking money.
08:51She has not.
08:52Hold on a second.
08:52This is your granddaughter.
08:54This is the girl you took in at nine and you've brought up.
08:56What makes you think that she...
08:57Because this is presumption, isn't it?
08:58There's no fact here.
09:00How do you know she stole the phone?
09:01The phone.
09:02Because of her previous actions where she's stolen money before,
09:05there's been no one else...
09:06But you don't even know that for sure, do you?
09:08Yes.
09:08Yes.
09:09Because there was no one else in the house.
09:10There was no one else in the house.
09:11You were saying that.
09:12You were saying that about the iPhone,
09:14but look how many people were in and out of your house that day.
09:16You're calling her a liar on national television.
09:17I'm concerned if you're wrong.
09:18You're going to look like a right idiot.
09:19It's going to affect you and her forever.
09:21I've said once, I've proved I ain't just stolen the iPhone.
09:23That is it.
09:24I want no contact with any of them.
09:25But this was the most important person in your life.
09:27Yeah, it was.
09:27Well, talk to him.
09:28So we still believe in them.
09:29What am I supposed to do?
09:30Talk to him.
09:30They have stolen in the past from us.
09:32Not the £100, £5 or the £10.
09:35A pound pushing it to £3.
09:37And I haven't stolen my iPhone.
09:39There's been more than that gone missing.
09:40It hasn't.
09:41How does it make you feel to think your granddaughter would do that?
09:44It doesn't make me feel very good at all.
09:45It's...
09:46And I know over a period of time,
09:48maybe two years, two and a half years,
09:50as she got to be more of a teenager,
09:54that more and more money went missing.
09:56You know, it started off with a few pounds.
09:59So you firmly believe she's going to fail, Les?
10:01I don't know about the iPhone,
10:03but I know about the money.
10:04Well, you don't know about the money.
10:05We're doing this on the iPhone.
10:06We've nothing to do with this.
10:07We've come on the show for the iPhone.
10:08So let's get the lie detector results and call it quick.
10:10You think she's stolen the iPhone, definitely, don't you?
10:12Yeah.
10:12So do you, Hannah, don't you?
10:13What about you, Amy?
10:14You do as well, yeah?
10:1450-50.
10:15You what?
10:1550-50.
10:16Oh, bent sitting.
10:17You've done a lie detector result.
10:19Did you steal the photo that went missing from Dawn's house?
10:20She said no.
10:21Why'd you say no?
10:21Because I was telling the truth.
10:22Amy was telling the truth.
10:23Give her a round of applause.
10:25Also, when we do best lie detector,
10:28we also ask somebody who is aware of who it is, complicit.
10:31Do you know for sure who stole the phone that went missing from Dawn's house?
10:33Amy said no.
10:33She was telling the truth.
10:34Give her a round of applause.
10:37Why are you doing a lie detector?
10:39That's why I accuse me of that.
10:40You believe that she might have done it, yeah?
10:42We asked Hannah, did you steal the phone that went missing from your mum's house?
10:44She said no.
10:44Your daughter was telling the truth.
10:49Do you know for sure who stole that phone that went missing from your mum's house?
10:51Hannah said no.
10:52Your daughter was telling the truth on both questions as well.
10:55Do you know I apologise then?
10:56Well done, Hannah.
10:57Well done, and I'm sorry for accusing you.
10:58Yeah, there you go.
11:00After I had to drag my **** here when I've got two kids,
11:03and I've spent all day, I've been asleep, and look, for what?
11:07Did you steal the phone that went missing from your granddad's house?
11:09We asked Laura.
11:09You said no.
11:10Why did you say no?
11:10Because I was telling the truth.
11:11You said that you're a liar, darling.
11:13I ain't still on my wife.
11:16Shout out a good fight, darling.
11:17Time to tell the truth.
11:18They took you in, and that's how you repay them.
11:19I have still on my wife.
11:20Disgusting.
11:22Wrong.
11:22You're a granddad, and you do it by saying they're against you.
11:26What are you going to do now, eh?
11:27Shout, scream, and run away.
11:29Why don't you admit what you've done?
11:30Because I've stolen my wife.
11:34Well, obviously, you never admit to anything.
11:37I came to your house that night and asked you if you'd taken it.
11:39You had the opportunity.
11:40Yes, and I said no, because I haven't taken the phone.
11:42Then why did you fail the lie detector?
11:44Because you're a liar, that's why.
11:46You know you are.
11:47Why don't you look your granddad in the eyes, and the disappointment he must feel will be palpable.
11:51You're a thief.
11:52Admit it.
11:52No, I'm not.
11:53Admit what you've done.
11:54No, because I've stolen the lie detector.
11:55And I know for a while deep down I've stolen the lie detector.
11:56Les?
11:57Why don't you just tell us why you wanted to...
11:58One at a time.
11:59Go on, Les.
11:59Why did you want the money if you did take it?
12:02You know, did you sell it for money?
12:03I don't know.
12:04I haven't taken the phone.
12:05Yes, you have.
12:05No, I haven't.
12:06You do me a favour?
12:07Can you two get off the stage?
12:09We watched this.
12:10You two.
12:10Thank you very much.
12:11We watched this.
12:11Come here.
12:11Day in, day out.
12:12Come here.
12:16That's your granddad, mate.
12:20Telling the truth.
12:21We watched this day in and day out.
12:23We know that these are not made up.
12:26If you've done it, don't matter.
12:27No, because I know I haven't.
12:28I'm sick of people pointing the finger at me.
12:29I don't know.
12:30Babe, listen to me.
12:31I don't know personally, but I'm pretty sure that having gone through what you've gone through
12:36and been brought up by this couple, and then you do feel like you push from pillar to post,
12:42and you do feel like an outsider, and whether you mean to be bad or whether it's to get attention,
12:48look at him.
12:49Look at your granddad.
12:52He loves you, you idiot, and you can fix this if you just swallow your pride.
12:57Forget them.
12:58Forget Hannah.
12:58Don't forget, Amy.
12:59Look at your granddad.
13:14I just did it.
13:15I just...
13:15It doesn't matter.
13:18It's a phone.
13:19The things that go on in the world.
13:20Look at me.
13:22Five years ago, I wouldn't have said that.
13:24You can save this relationship.
13:26I thought I'd be...
13:26I actually feel sorry for you in a way, but I will get far more admiration if you just
13:29tell him the truth.
13:30We all know, and it doesn't matter.
13:31It's a phone.
13:31What matters?
13:32This man needs you to look him in the...
13:34Look at him.
13:35It's a nice man.
13:35Tell him the truth.
13:36It's your granddad.
13:37Tell him the truth.
13:37I haven't stolen it.
13:39I know if it will, I haven't.
13:41I don't know why it's gone like this, then.
13:42I'm not leaving, do I?
13:43Why are you crying, then?
13:45Because I'm sick of everyone pointing fingers at me.
13:47Why don't you clean it off and wipe the slate clean and start again by telling him the truth,
13:50because that would do you, wouldn't it?
13:52Yep.
13:53Definitely.
13:53Forget them.
13:54Look at him.
13:55I didn't touch the phone that day at all.
13:57Listen.
13:57Listen.
13:58You feel like you've lost him, don't you?
14:00Tell him.
14:01Tell him.
14:03Tell him.
14:03He knows.
14:04No, he doesn't, do you?
14:06I don't know.
14:07Well, you should have known that already.
14:09Yeah.
14:09Oi, I quite like you just telling the truth, for God's sake.
14:12Forget them.
14:13It's your granddad.
14:13And I'll tell you what you will do if you admit the truth.
14:15You don't have to do it right now, but you will do it.
14:17You'll feel this most huge surge of relief.
14:19And he, I'm telling you, will stick up for you.
14:22Because all he wants is for you, to be honest.
14:24Now, let's open it to the end.
14:25Finished.
14:26Yeah?
14:27You know you're still in.
14:29I know.
14:30You do me a favour and sit in a room with him.
14:32Nobody else?
14:32Talk to him.
14:32No, I don't want to.
14:34I just want to get out of here.
14:35I don't want to go home.
14:36B.S.
14:37I do, I just...
14:38Your passion, your tears, your everything tells me this man's the most important person in
14:42your life.
14:43Yeah, he is, but I don't want to sit in a room and talk.
14:45I'll have a range of time to talk with him when it's who it's me.
14:49What about what suits him?
14:51Don't act like a sport brat.
14:53Of course you've got time.
14:53You've got time now before you get in the car.
14:5420 minutes of your life is nothing.
14:55Just you and your grandad.
14:57Nothing to lose.
14:59Nothing to gain.
14:59Car won't be there for 20 minutes because I'll make sure it's not.
15:02Talk to your grandad.
15:03No.
15:03It's because I won't let anybody talk bad about you if we've just thought it.
15:06See?
15:07See?
15:07See?
15:08See?
15:08Talk to your grandad.
15:09Five minutes.
15:10Nothing to lose.
15:11Talk to him.
15:12Yes?
15:12That way.
15:15Not them.
15:15With your grandad.
15:16No.
15:17Yes.
15:17No.
15:18Yes.
15:20Don't talk to Aaron.
15:28Good afternoon.
15:28You can sort it out.
15:29Right.
15:29My next guest, Aaron, is here to see if he's finally found his dad.
15:33Now, since his father, Brian, left when Aaron was about two years of age, he's never seen him, leaving Aaron wondering why his father never wanted him.
15:39He's been back in touch with Brian for the last couple of years, but today they'll come face to face for the very first time since he was a baby.
15:45This guy is desperate for answers, and he hopes that if DNA proves Brian definitively is his father, he'll finally accept him as a son.
15:51They can have a relationship.
15:52Kids like this, I genuinely feel sorry for, but he's a nice young man.
15:54Aaron's on the Jeremy Carr show.
15:55I think of all the stories I've done for a long, long time, this really made me mad this morning.
16:08Aaron, Brian is your potential dad.
16:11Yeah.
16:11You're here to see if he is your father.
16:13Tell me, growing up, what you know, was he around?
16:16What have we got?
16:16He wasn't around for the most part.
16:18I sort of grew up alone.
16:20He left when you were two, so you were told that?
16:22What?
16:23You know, we just sort of left.
16:24He wasn't told.
16:25He just thought we went out for a picnic, but we never actually had come back.
16:28I grew up not liking him.
16:29I heard he was abusive.
16:30I heard he was a drunk.
16:31Yeah, I heard him was a drunk.
16:32Obviously, when I texted him, he said he recovered six years ago.
16:35He's been six years clean.
16:37So that's obviously made me realize maybe he is capable of change.
16:39But growing up, I was also told he was dead.
16:41And, you know, every year for Christmas, I told him.
16:43Obviously, I asked Santa every year, you know, I want him under the tree.
16:45You know, I always sort of wanted to wake up one day and him be there, but...
16:48You're a very honest young man.
16:50You said this guy's had every opportunity to find me.
16:51He's never bothered.
16:52And, frankly, it galls me that you're the one that's making the effort, right?
16:54Yeah.
16:56Now, this is the twist that I didn't think I'd ever do.
16:58You sat down with a cup of tea and a piece of toast, and you tuned into the Jeremy Kyle show.
17:02And there was your dad.
17:04Being reunited with a daughter.
17:08Ready for this?
17:10One of 14 children that he has.
17:13But here's the best bit.
17:15He's only bothered to find three of them, hasn't he?
17:17Yeah.
17:18But I don't actually think he's bothered to find any of them.
17:20And they've found him.
17:21You must have done your head when you see him pouring his heart out and talking to your sister.
17:25How did it make you feel?
17:27It was a bit surreal, you know, like, because at this point, I didn't actually know what he looked like or what he was.
17:31It was just like, I didn't know who he was until I was told afterwards it was my dad.
17:34I just thought, you know, Kay was on there, my sister was on there with one of her boyfriend's friends or something.
17:37Talked to me a year ago saying, I'm your son, how are you?
17:40He calls, you have a chat, hasn't bothered since.
17:42No, not really.
17:44And yet still you're sat here saying, I can't wait to meet him.
17:49Why are you so nice?
17:50It's just, I feel like, you know, he's my daddy's the reason I'm here.
17:52I have to give him something, don't I?
17:54You know.
17:54Well, I'll tell you something that I do want you to know, and this is the truth.
17:57You're 19.
17:58Yeah.
17:58You've got more class in your little toenail than he's got in his entire bedroom.
18:05And he's the worst bit.
18:06I'm going to go to a break, then we're back with him and Crucial DNA.
18:08He says, I'm here to prove to Aaron, I am his dad.
18:11I've got no doubts, DNA will prove it.
18:12Question is, Brian, think on this.
18:14Where the hell have you been, then?
18:15I'm right back.
18:16You can't justify what you've done.
18:18I don't know.
18:18Then talk to him, because he wants a relationship, right?
18:21What's wrong with the song?
18:22Then it can...
18:23Maybe he's the song, that is.
18:27Before the break, Aaron, um, the only thing I want to say to you, and I'm going to sound
18:36like I said, like you're dead, then, but don't expect too much today, pal.
18:40Take it for what it is.
18:42He's going to come out and say, I had no clue I even had him until he was five.
18:47How old are you?
18:4819.
18:48Where have you been for the last 14 years, then, Brian?
18:50Brian's on the Jeremy Carr show that way.
18:57I think that reaction about sums it up, doesn't it?
19:04No, not really.
19:0514 children.
19:06Yeah, and?
19:09And do you know the worst thing?
19:11Go on.
19:11Whether you like this or not, you've just walked 25 yards, you've never even seen him, and
19:16you don't embrace him or talk to him, you don't do anything.
19:19That about sums you up, Brian, doesn't it?
19:20No.
19:21Nothing.
19:23You don't deserve this kid.
19:24Full stop.
19:24End of story.
19:25It's not so much, bro.
19:28It's not so much, bro.
19:29Your side.
19:3014 kids.
19:31Yeah.
19:33I've never, I've not seen this lad since he was two years old.
19:34I didn't even know where he would have were.
19:36Hold on a second, so you knew he existed, yeah?
19:38No, I didn't know he existed until he was on your show.
19:40Well, why would you go and see him for two years if you didn't know he existed?
19:43Because I didn't see him for two years.
19:44No, you're not talking sense, mate.
19:45I've been doing this all the day.
19:46I've seen him in first gear.
19:47From nought to two, you knew he was your son, yeah?
19:50No, I didn't know he was my son.
19:50Well, why'd you see him then?
19:52Because I'd see my other kids at the same time.
19:53But he rang you a year ago, you haven't done anything for him.
19:55Yeah, we have for sure.
19:55He says you have talked to him.
19:57I haven't talked to him with my own.
19:58I've texted him.
19:59Well, in the past year, I think we've had three, maybe four conversations.
20:02Yeah, because I've rung you, and you've been saying you'll be too busy working and stuff,
20:05so I said, well, you wouldn't be any time we want.
20:06But why haven't you gone down to see him?
20:07You were on this show being reunited with your daughter.
20:09He saw that.
20:09I can't travel down to Kent, it's too far.
20:12I can't travel too far.
20:15Because I've got my ospital spiroces on my back.
20:16I can't travel when I'm all in about four.
20:18I've got ospital spiroces on my back, but I can't travel too far.
20:20And it stopped you having 14 kids in a family anymore.
20:22I didn't have it then.
20:23How many of the 14 do you see?
20:25Four.
20:26How does that make you feel?
20:28It makes me feel really bad.
20:29Then he is a chance, pal.
20:30That's what I'm saying.
20:31You didn't even come out here with anything like,
20:32my God, Aaron, I'm sorry, this is amazing.
20:34I've been an awful father.
20:35Please forgive me.
20:36I want to have a relationship.
20:37He came out with your jaw set.
20:39I'm going to justify.
20:39You can't justify what you've done.
20:41I know that.
20:41Then talk to him.
20:42Because he wants a relationship, Bri.
20:44I want one with his son.
20:45Then he can...
20:46If he's my son, that is.
20:49I thought you had no doubts.
20:51I've got doubts that you...
20:52Lee's saying I'm not his dad because he was told my dad had died.
20:55So how can I be...
20:56If his dad's died, how can I be his dad's dead?
20:57Give me the DNA results, please.
20:59All I'm saying is now, if he is my son,
21:00I'm going to step up the effort and make sure that I'm there for him.
21:02Look at him.
21:03I am looking at him.
21:05I'm looking at my son.
21:07If he's my son, I'll make sure I'm there for him.
21:09Don't you wish or think you should have done this a long time ago?
21:12Yeah.
21:12He is your biological father.
21:27Aaron would want me to give you a chance.
21:28Go on, Brian.
21:28You've got it.
21:30I just said to him then, I said,
21:31I'll try and step up a bit harder and talk to him more
21:33and try to get the team a bit more.
21:34And they can come up to me if they can get up to you.
21:37A bit, a bit, a bit.
21:38No, as much as I can.
21:39That's all I can say.
21:40I do as much as I can.
21:41You haven't said anything since your dad came out.
21:44I don't really know what to say, to be honest.
21:46But I just feel like you haven't got to make all the effort.
21:48I'm willing to come up to Manchester to come and see you.
21:50You're so nice.
21:50Oh, God.
21:51I don't even mind, you know, coming down for the day
21:58and watching, you know, a Man United game with you.
22:00That's all I've ever wanted, you know,
22:01with someone to talk to about my hobbies and...
22:03Man United, all a bad subject.
22:04I'm not a Man United fan, just to clarify.
22:07I'm an Arsenal fan.
22:08I think he's a West Ham fan.
22:09And I'm a Chelsea fan.
22:10I'm a Chelsea fan.
22:10I think it's even worse.
22:12Sorry, Jeremy.
22:12I had to get a win.
22:16You laugh about that, you're passionate about that,
22:18but are you passionate enough about your kids, pal?
22:20The truth is, there are plenty of kids, I guess, like Aaron, who...
22:28I've never seen their dads.
22:29No, who wouldn't want to give their dad a second chance.
22:32Exactly, that's what I appreciate.
22:32The guy's that decent, he says he'll come up and see you.
22:35I appreciate that.
22:37When I say that, I'll meet him in Manchester or wherever he wants me to meet you.
22:39You don't feel like you should apologise to him?
22:40I haven't apologised, yes.
22:42I apologise when I hugged him.
22:43Why are you such a good person?
22:44I don't know.
22:45Sometimes it kills me like I'm such a good person.
22:47Does it?
22:48I mean, I wasn't very liked at school, but I always wanted to be, you know,
22:51and I was wanting to do anything and everything.
22:52I was extorted from money and...
22:54Oh, God, they've all fallen in love with you.
22:57You can't have him.
22:58He's with a girlfriend called Carly for 18 months.
23:00Have you got any kids?
23:01No.
23:02Good man.
23:04It's an unusual answer on this show.
23:05I reckon I bet Carly better.
23:06I think Carly better watch out.
23:07All the women will be after you.
23:08Um, Brian, listen, um...
23:10One line you did give my team, which I like.
23:13Once the DNA proves he's mine, which I believe it will,
23:15I hope he can forgive me for missing the last 19 years.
23:17I'm going to make it up to him.
23:18I'm going to try my best to make it up to him.
23:19All that can be said, and, you know, at the end of the day,
23:21you just have to take that opportunity because life is very sweet.
23:24Are you very short?
23:24Are you all right?
23:25Yeah.
23:27Does anything get you?
23:28No.
23:29I'm sort of relieved that I got the result.
23:30I wanted, you know.
23:31You're a very, very nice young man,
23:32and, Brian, you should be very proud of him.
23:33We haven't been around.
23:34We'll ask the two of you to get that way.
23:35Give him a round of applause.
23:43Good luck to everyone.
23:44The next guest today, Kat is here with a fiancé, James,
23:47for all-important, double lie detector results.
23:48She says, since getting engaged just over two months ago,
23:51Kat is adamant that he has been cheating after.
23:52I love this.
23:53She saw a woman running from their flat with a red face and a bed head.
23:57Kat is furious that James is now accusing her of cheating too,
23:59so today she says,
24:00I'm going to clear my name.
24:01I want the truth.
24:02This is a massive, massive day.
24:03The wedding is on hold until she gets the truth.
24:06Kat's on the Jeremy Car Show that way.
24:13All right?
24:14All right.
24:15Welcome to the show.
24:17Thing is, we've met before.
24:19We have, yeah.
24:20You came on with an ex and failed the lie detector.
24:23Yep.
24:24Because you were a cheat.
24:25I was, but I admitted to James straight away,
24:28first in the relationship,
24:29that I failed my lie detector.
24:31Nyeh, nyeh, nyeh, nyeh, nyeh.
24:32So the lie detector was right last year?
24:33Yeah, I admitted that on the show.
24:35Right, okay.
24:36So now you're in,
24:36how long have you been with James?
24:37Five months.
24:37How'd you meet?
24:38Well, we met five years ago,
24:39and then we came back together five months ago
24:42at a carnival night.
24:43Carnival night?
24:44Yeah.
24:46Basically, all these floats and stuff.
24:47I know what a bloody carnival is.
24:50Apparently, you moved in on this,
24:51we shared our first kiss in a port-a-cabin.
24:53Yeah.
24:54Lovely.
24:55Hey?
24:56Just a kiss or anything else?
24:57Just a kiss.
24:57Right, how long did it take you to have a,
24:59full physical relationship?
25:00Because you moved him in the first night, didn't you?
25:01Um, yeah, he stayed at my B&B the first night.
25:03And he hasn't gone, has he?
25:04No.
25:05So you're doing a lie detector,
25:06and he's doing a lie detector.
25:06Why is he doing a lie detector?
25:08Because I came home one day after,
25:10um, going to a voluntary interview,
25:11and this girl's come rushing out my flat.
25:13Yeah, we'll talk about this.
25:14She comes rushing out the flat with a red face
25:15and a bed head.
25:16What's bed head?
25:17Basically, her hair's all messed up.
25:18What, as if it's been on a pillow,
25:19being moved around a lot like that, yeah?
25:20Well, yeah, basically.
25:22Not only have you got a reputation,
25:23but he's cheated on every girlfriend he's ever been with,
25:25and this woman comes out your flat with a red face,
25:27red in the, why would she be red in the face?
25:28I don't know.
25:30With bed head?
25:30Yeah, and I've gone upstairs,
25:31and he sat on the sofa,
25:32and he's all red-faced as well.
25:35Also, um, is it not true that the woman
25:37who came running out your flat with a red face
25:39and bed head,
25:39hadn't he asked you at one point
25:40during the relationship to have a threesome with her?
25:42Yeah.
25:43And I said no.
25:45Um, he's changed towards me.
25:47What?
25:48The sex has gone from how many times a day to nothing?
25:51Five times a day.
25:53Any of you?
25:53There's a woman that's gone.
25:56Five times a day?
25:57How do you have enough time
25:58to have it off five times a day?
26:00Well, Monday to Wednesday,
26:02I'm not at college,
26:02and then I'm at college on Thursday and Friday.
26:04How do you fit it in Thursday and Friday,
26:05then?
26:05What do you do?
26:06Well, just constantly go at night time.
26:09Uh, now there's no sex?
26:10No.
26:10No, it's all gone a bit wrong.
26:11It makes you sad.
26:12Yeah, because I love this guy to pieces.
26:15You haven't cheated on him?
26:16No, I haven't.
26:16Why is he making you do a test?
26:18Because I went to a Halloween party,
26:19and he thinks that I cheated on him,
26:21and I only found out early hours this morning
26:22that he checked my underwear the day after I came home.
26:24Oh, God.
26:27Hope he passes, uh,
26:29so we can get married on my birthday.
26:31Yeah.
26:31If he fails, the wedding's off.
26:32Yeah, definitely.
26:33So he might have been up to no good
26:34with the threesome, but the red face in the bed,
26:36if you haven't messed around,
26:36despite the fact you've failed on this show before,
26:38but you love this man,
26:39you want to be with him forever.
26:40Would that be a good synopsis?
26:41Yeah.
26:41I hope we get good news anyway.
26:43I hope so, too,
26:44because I love him to pieces.
26:44No, that's lovely.
26:45It's romantic.
26:46He says,
26:47I check your knickers, love,
26:48because I'm worried that you're cheating.
26:49James is on the Jeremy Carr show that way.
26:50Lauren's about the threesome.
26:59No, it's not.
27:00You asked me if I'd have a threesome.
27:00No, you asked me.
27:02You asked me,
27:03because you'd be like,
27:03oh, let's go with...
27:04You asked me.
27:05No.
27:06You asked me.
27:07You asked me.
27:08Does it matter who asked him?
27:09You asked me.
27:10No, I'm not.
27:11How do you manage to have sex five times a day?
27:13What's the matter with me?
27:14How are you?
27:15Yeah, I'm good.
27:15Yeah.
27:16Let's just first talk about you.
27:17You met at the carnival,
27:18had a snog in the port-a-cabin,
27:19lovely life,
27:20went to move into the B&B,
27:21everything's hugely romantic,
27:22I want to marry you.
27:23But then she came home one day
27:24and there was this woman
27:25who came rushing out the flat
27:26with a sort of startled expression.
27:28Yeah.
27:29A red face.
27:30Where did that come from?
27:30And bed...
27:31What were you doing with her?
27:32Nothing.
27:32I was just sitting down watching TV.
27:34She was sat on your sofa.
27:35She was sat on your sofa.
27:36Didn't you propose two and a half months ago?
27:38It was quite romantic, wasn't it?
27:40Yeah.
27:40We've got a video.
27:41It's nice, this.
27:42Taking his clothes off.
27:47Why is he taking his clothes off?
27:53I've just got out of bed.
27:55You want me to do it on that?
27:57Being a wolf.
27:58Yeah.
27:59Being my wolf?
28:00No, why?
28:01I could have a wife.
28:03You're alright, then?
28:03She does both.
28:07Did you take the mum...
28:08Oh, hello, they're off again.
28:09Yeah, I did take the mum off.
28:10Anyway, the sex used to be five times a day.
28:17What happened to that?
28:18Why has that gone down this morning?
28:19Because I found out.
28:20Because she got a message...
28:21Well, I got a message saying she was cheating on me.
28:23Have you cheated on him?
28:24No, I haven't.
28:24She's got a reputation.
28:25She's been on this show before.
28:26I know, I've seen her in Texas.
28:27Yeah.
28:28And I had openly admitted at the start of the relationship to you.
28:30Did I or did I not?
28:32Yeah.
28:32Exactly.
28:33So you think she's going to cheat?
28:34Yeah.
28:34And what happens if she does?
28:35I'm off.
28:36Are you?
28:37I'm off.
28:37Gone?
28:38Yeah.
28:38And what about if you...
28:39I'm gone.
28:39I mean, everybody's gone.
28:41Well, I mean, anybody...
28:41You've cheated on every girlfriend, though, haven't you?
28:45Most of them.
28:46What?
28:46Why?
28:49You, you've also...
28:50What?
28:50Basically.
28:54That's not very charming, is it?
28:55Yeah, I know.
28:57Brilliant.
28:58Back at the film.
28:59So you're going to pass.
29:00You're going to pass.
29:01So then we'll be able to set the wedding date.
29:02And it'll be absolutely lovely.
29:03Could we possibly...
29:03Should we do it?
29:04Yeah.
29:05Let's just want to find out.
29:06Well, that's why you're here.
29:07Yeah.
29:08Right.
29:08Who should we start with?
29:10James.
29:10I mean, this really should be the honeymoon period.
29:12You've been together 140 days, and you're already on the Jeremy Kyle show.
29:15It's not great, is it?
29:17So, we're going to start with you, James.
29:19Yeah.
29:19And as ever, the questions that we asked...
29:21How many people think James has cheated?
29:23Look at that.
29:24Look at...
29:24How many people...
29:26All right, don't start.
29:26It's got a T-H, not an F.
29:27How many people think that Kat's cheated?
29:30The older generation is supporting the girl.
29:32All right, ladies.
29:35We asked James, since the start of your relationship with Kat, have you passionately kissed any other person?
29:39James said, why did you say no?
29:40Just telling truth.
29:41It says you're a liar, pal.
29:42Since the start of your relationship with Kat, have you had sexual contact with any other person?
29:47You said no.
29:48This Tess says you're a liar, James.
29:50I said no, but your fiancé has lied on every single question, including her.
29:54You know what happened.
29:57What do you mean, you know you haven't?
29:58You've done it on every girl.
29:59Wait, hold on a minute.
30:00She said the lie detector's right, because she failed last time.
30:02What, are you telling me it's wrong?
30:03Yeah, I have.
30:03You know you've cheated.
30:04I know what happened.
30:05Well, I know you have.
30:06Oh, no, I haven't.
30:07Well, I know you have.
30:08Oh, I haven't.
30:09Right.
30:09Well, you have, haven't you?
30:10Wait, you see, she's not...
30:11That's the reality.
30:13She was getting married.
30:16It's not gone very well so far, has it?
30:18You know what happened.
30:19Where are we going?
30:20Oh, here we go.
30:20The Kyle Olympics.
30:22Let's go for a run.
30:23Steve, you need to quicken up, mate.
30:27Hello.
30:28Cat, you know what happened.
30:29Can we slow down?
30:30Cat?
30:32Cat, I haven't got much energy left.
30:34Cat.
30:34Still got the oversized problem.
30:37You know what happened, cheated.
30:38So why did you fail the test then, pal?
30:40I don't know what happened.
30:43We asked Cat, and you said you believe that test is true for him, don't you?
30:47You do?
30:47You said we'll sit down and have a talk about it.
30:49So what, why would you have a talk then?
30:51Why happened, cheated?
30:52And why would you...
30:53I don't know what the fuck, I haven't cheated.
30:54Why are you going to arse with me?
30:55Cheating on everybody.
30:57Past is the past.
30:58What do you mean the past is the past?
30:59Why has she been with her...
31:00I wouldn't have put a finger on her finger if I was going to cheat on her.
31:02What was the girl doing running out of your flat with a red face?
31:05No.
31:06Well, it looks like she was up to no good.
31:09She flirted with me, yeah?
31:11I ain't done nothing.
31:12She flirted with you?
31:13You know she was flirting with me.
31:14She's the one.
31:16Can't you believe the test, right?
31:17You even messaged her yesterday.
31:19Have you done a film with James?
31:21She even turned around and said no.
31:22So you believe the test, yeah?
31:23Yeah.
31:24That's useful because we asked you since the start of your relationship with James,
31:26have you passionately kissed any other person?
31:28You said no.
31:28This test says you're a liar as well.
31:29So you believe her, test?
31:32Yeah, I do.
31:33Well, she failed every single question as well.
31:37No, I'm giving the ring back to your mum.
31:39No, I want her to do.
31:40She mums money.
31:41I want her to ring, no.
31:42You want the ring back?
31:43Yeah, I do.
31:43So you're not going to be with her?
31:45So you admit you cheated?
31:46I never cheated.
31:47But you think she did?
31:48But you think she did?
31:49But you believe that, don't you?
31:50Because she cheated last time.
31:51You did cheat, didn't you?
31:52That's what we...
31:53Last time, but I haven't cheated on him.
31:55So basically both of you don't believe the test?
31:57No.
31:57Oh, right.
31:58Well, it's a marriage made in heaven.
31:59So you don't need to give him the ring back.
32:00You can get happily married, despite the fact you don't trust each other.
32:02You might get back to five times a day.
32:04Truth is, you know you cheated.
32:05What happens now, love?
32:13I don't know.
32:14You know you cheated, and I'll hear about it in a minute.
32:16Something happened.
32:16Just remember one thing.
32:17If you go in that test, and anything's happened, a kiss or a cuddle, and you lie,
32:20it'll have you ever to lie.
32:21I know what happened.
32:23Well, if you both think you haven't cheated.
32:24She messaged the...
32:25Did you cheat?
32:27Yes, did you cheat?
32:27No, it didn't.
32:28Well, then they have nothing to worry about.
32:29You can live happily ever after.
32:30But then it's not that happy, because it doesn't work.
32:32See ya.
32:34Change!
32:35That's the whole point, isn't it?
32:36Get the trick after the break on that stage.
32:37Let's just absolutely change tack.
32:39There's a mother on our stage.
32:41You nearly lost her daughter to a violent beating.
32:42And this woman says,
32:43I've got to come here, Jess.
32:44I'm terrified it'll happen again.
32:46It's not just about telling the story.
32:46I want my daughter to get back to where she was.
32:49We're right back.
32:50He battered her face to a pulp, really.
32:53He was dragging her back at the house with her hair.
32:56He was kicking her and punching her on the floor.
32:57I want my daughter to get back to where she was.
33:03I want my daughter to get back to where she was.
33:04She's welcome back.
33:08My next guest today, Pauline, is here with her daughter, Kerry,
33:10who was brutally beaten at the hands of her next partner.
33:12Now, since then, Pauline says that Kerry has made a slow recovery,
33:14but she says that Kerry is still making bad choices,
33:17and she's terrified that she may lose her daughter for good one day.
33:19She says, look, I'm here to help Kerry share her story,
33:21but I want to save my daughter.
33:22And I mean that before it's too late.
33:24Brave Lady as well.
33:25Mum, Pauline, is on the Jeremy Carl Show.
33:26That one.
33:26This is very interesting and obviously difficult for you.
33:37A lot of people come on and they tell their stories,
33:39and they say, look, this happened to me,
33:40and I want to warn you, for you, it's not just the story,
33:44it's about the future.
33:45It is about the future, and she's such a lovely girl.
33:47She gives too much too soon to people.
33:49She's very trusting.
33:51She shouldn't be trusting.
33:52Kerry was in a violent relationship.
33:54He was a horrible person.
33:55Absolutely horrible.
33:56What was his name?
33:57Michael Kamiarczyk.
33:58Michael Kamiarczyk.
33:59When did she meet him?
34:01A couple of years back.
34:02Tell me what you first thought.
34:03That was them together.
34:04When you first saw that guy, what did you think?
34:06Not a lot.
34:07Didn't like him.
34:08To me, he had an attitude.
34:10You know, he's sort of like a big, beefy man.
34:14Thought he was like God's gift.
34:15She started to regress socially in terms of contact with anybody, really.
34:20He didn't like her seeing his family.
34:21He used to send her voicemails to say that we was all evil.
34:25We all was like, no good for her.
34:27The first time he really did attack her, well, he launched her from the kitchen to the living room.
34:32It was on my deceased son's birthday.
34:35And he just had gone out from the kitchen to the van to get some stuff out the van, some food.
34:39And he just didn't want to do in it.
34:42And he launched her from the kitchen.
34:43He scratched her breast, put his fist through the kitchen door, cleaned through it, the goal in the kitchen door.
34:48Showing the police?
34:49Oh, yeah, police.
34:50But didn't she go to hospital before that, didn't he?
34:52After that, yeah.
34:54He battered her face to a pulp, really.
34:57He was dragging her about the house with her hair.
35:00He was kicking her and punching her on the floor.
35:03Oh, yeah.
35:04Why did she put up with it?
35:06She was terrified of him.
35:08The scary thing about this was one day you get a call from her.
35:12She's got a secret phone that she's hidden from this guy.
35:15She barricaded herself into a room.
35:17Barricaded herself in, phoned the police, phoned me.
35:21I get down there and police are already there and arresting him.
35:24But she was just such a sturt.
35:26I was terrified that when I turned up, the worst would have happened to Kerry.
35:29I didn't know what to expect when I went in the house, even though it was Kerry that phoned me.
35:32Is she lucky to be alive?
35:33Oh, God, yeah.
35:34Yeah.
35:35Absolutely.
35:35Mum battered black and blue by hulking bodybuilder boyfriend.
35:38What happened to Michael, whatever his name is?
35:40Well, it went to court.
35:42Listen to this.
35:42Just watch the audience.
35:43Go on, how long did he get?
35:44He didn't get any time inside at all.
35:47He got an order so he couldn't go near Kerry for the next ten years.
35:51And a fine of £1,000.
35:54And basically, that was it.
35:56Your daughter's your size, right?
35:57This is the size of the guy that used to beat her up.
36:00Look at this.
36:03Hate him.
36:05I'm really respected for being here.
36:06She said, I agree with my mum.
36:09I'm worried it will happen again.
36:09I'm that sort of person.
36:10Brave lady carries on the show.
36:11Give her a round of applause.
36:12Give her a round of applause.
36:22All right, are you swinging up?
36:23I'm OK.
36:23I am now.
36:24Had to go?
36:25Yeah.
36:25I don't say, Eva, when you look behind, I just think.
36:29I hate him.
36:34Why'd you do this today?
36:37Because I want to show other people that you can't escape these people.
36:41You can get out of it.
36:42I might not have got the justice that I hoped for, but the fact that I've still been able
36:47to tell people about this person and in the hope that he can't go on and do it again.
36:51You sort of alluded to this, that you're the sort of person that would be susceptible to that.
36:56Probably, yeah.
36:59I'm probably going to answer this in the wrong way.
37:02I do a lot of stories and you find men and women have been in abusive relationships suddenly
37:05seem to sort of be in another one and you sort of think to yourself, is it a trait?
37:09Do you give out in a certain way?
37:10Can I tell you something?
37:11And I genuinely mean this.
37:13You're a giving, caring, sharing person.
37:15Don't change how you are.
37:16People like that are not like the rest of us.
37:18People like that don't deserve.
37:18That's what I genuinely think.
37:20I don't mean that.
37:21I think it's easy to go, oh, close all your...
37:24No, do you know what?
37:25He's nothing, man.
37:26You wait till this goes out.
37:27He's finished, right?
37:27But you, why would you change the way you are?
37:30I don't want to.
37:30I don't think I should.
37:31No.
37:32I think maybe I should, I sometimes say, oh, I should toughen up a bit.
37:35I should be less trusting.
37:36You should listen to your gut, Kez.
37:38When you get that feeling that something's not right, it's generally true.
37:41Something's not right.
37:42Listen to that.
37:43Yeah.
37:44You told my team a very candid description of the beating.
37:46She said to be beaten by somebody that big.
37:48The pain was unbearable.
37:49Yeah.
37:50Yeah, it was, his strength was something, it was like being hit by a chuck.
37:55You know, um, one time I obviously pushed me so hard and kicked me.
37:59In the kitchen, I went into the glass door, on the back door.
38:02Um, it felt like I'd been hit by a car, you know what I mean?
38:05Like, it felt like he was in a traffic accident because he was just solid, pure muscle coming at you.
38:09I'm not a small girl, you know, and it's like, for him to launch me like that, I mean, my feet sometimes wouldn't touch the ground.
38:14And you stayed with him because you were terrified of him.
38:16Do you ever think you'd get out?
38:18Um, I think I did.
38:20I was quite strong in that.
38:21I was determined.
38:21I was like, right, I know I've got to get out because if I don't, um.
38:25Do you worry now, walking around?
38:26Do you look over your shoulder?
38:26I still do, yeah, because I know he's out there.
38:28But he wouldn't come near you.
38:30He hasn't done up to now, has he?
38:31He hasn't done up to now.
38:32He can't, can he?
38:35I don't know, it's still always in the back of my mind.
38:37Is today almost part of the rehabilitation process, coming here and being able to talk about it?
38:41Yeah, definitely.
38:41Because I, I, I really respect you for that because, like I said, you don't think you can say,
38:45oh, by the way, a man might be violent, a woman might be violent, a man might cheat, a woman might cheat.
38:49That's just the way of the world.
38:50But for you to sit here with your mum, that's a nail in that's coffin, isn't it?
38:55Yeah.
38:56And you'll sit here in front of these people, that says a lot, doesn't it?
38:58Yeah.
38:59Ready to respect you.
39:00Um, off men forever?
39:01Um, well, I always think, you know, you'll find someone nice eventually, but I think it's a long way in the future.
39:06No, here's something that I can honestly tell you.
39:08Guess what?
39:09You won't find anybody.
39:11They'll find you when you're ready, but you won't.
39:13Don't look, don't look.
39:17I might point out, I'm really good at giving advice.
39:20It's particularly irrelevant when it comes to my life.
39:21It's a real pleasure to meet you.
39:22And I mean that.
39:23I really, really respect you.
39:24And the bravery to come here.
39:25And listen, I meant what I said.
39:27You'll be fine and he won't.
39:27Give him a round of applause that way.
39:28Thank you, my friend.
39:29Thank you, my friend.
39:31Great, great lady.
39:33I'm out of time.
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39:37Again, for the day, to the guests, to the audience, to you at home, and Will.
39:39We'll see you soon.
39:40Bye-bye for now.