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US President Donald Trump criticised both Israel and Iran for violating the truce.
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00:00Iran rains missiles amid fragile peace.
00:09Trump truce goes up in smoke.
00:15Israel-Iran trade fire post peace deal.
00:21Truce on paper, war rages on ground.
00:24Iran snaps ties with global atomic body.
00:33What after 12-day war?
00:35That is our talk focus on Five Live.
00:54And both Israel and Iran for violating ceasefire.
00:57We'll get to the very latest on this top story.
01:05And first up, we get to these latest statements coming in from United States President Donald
01:09Trump, who said that Iran and Israel both violated ceasefire.
01:14Trump has said to Israel, do not drop those bombs.
01:18He's also said that Iran will never rebuild its nuclear program.
01:22And Trump has said that he is not happy with Israel.
01:26He has slammed both Israel and Iran for violating ceasefire.
01:31Listen in to those statements.
01:34I think they both violated it.
01:36I don't think they, I'm not sure they did it intentionally.
01:39They couldn't rein people back.
01:40I don't like the fact that Israel went out this morning at all.
01:44And I'm going to see if I can stop it.
01:45So as soon as I get away from you, I'm going to see if I can stop it.
01:49Israel, as soon as we made the deal, they came out and they dropped a load of bombs,
01:54the likes of which I've never seen before.
01:56The biggest load that we've seen.
01:58I'm not happy with Israel.
02:00You know, when I say, okay, now you have 12 hours, you don't go out in the first hour
02:05and just drop everything you have on them.
02:07So I'm not happy with them.
02:08I'm not happy with Iran either.
02:10But I'm really unhappy if Israel is going out this morning because the one rocket
02:14that didn't land, that was shot, perhaps by mistake, that didn't land.
02:19I'm not happy about that.
02:21You know what?
02:22We have, we basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard
02:27that they don't know what the f*** they're doing.
02:29Do you understand that?
02:30Israel is going out now.
02:32There was one rocket that I guess was fired overboard.
02:35It was after the time limit and it missed its target.
02:40And now Israel is going out.
02:42These guys got to calm down.
02:44Ridiculous.
02:44I didn't like plenty of things I saw yesterday.
02:49I didn't like the fact that Israel unloaded right after we made the deal.
02:53They didn't have to unload.
02:55And I didn't like the fact that the retaliation was very strong.
02:59But in all fairness, Israel unloaded a lot.
03:01And now I hear Israel just went out because they felt it was violated by one rocket that
03:07didn't land anywhere.
03:09That's not what we want, I'll tell you.
03:10And I'm telling you, I'm not happy about that, Israel, either.
03:13Iran will never rebuild its nuclear.
03:15From there?
03:16Absolutely not.
03:17That place is under rock.
03:19That place is demolished.
03:21The B-2 pilots did their job.
03:23They did it better than anybody could even imagine.
03:25They hit late in the evening.
03:27It was dark with no moon, and they hit that target with every one of those things.
03:32And that place is gone.
03:34But when I see CNN all night long, they're trying to say, well, maybe it wasn't really
03:39as demolished as we thought.
03:40It was demolished.
03:41You take a look at the pinpricks, and you see, that place is gone.
03:46And I will say, I think CNN ought to apologize to the pilots of the B-2s.
03:51I think that MSDNC ought to apologize.
03:53I think these guys really, these networks and these cable networks are real losers.
04:00You really are.
04:01You're real losers.
04:02I think it's been completely demolished.
04:04I think the reason we're here is because those pilots, those B-2 pilots did an unbelievable
04:09job.
04:11And, you know, the fake news, like CNN in particular, they're trying to, you know, they're trying
04:15to say, well, I agree that it was destroyed, but maybe not that destroyed.
04:20You know what they're doing?
04:20They're really hurting great pilots that put their lives in the line.
04:24CNN is scum.
04:26And so is MSDNC.
04:27They're all.
04:28And frankly, the networks aren't much better.
04:30It's all fake news.
04:31But they should not have done that.
04:34Those pilots hit their targets.
04:35Those targets were obliterated.
04:37And the pilots should be given credit.
04:39They're not after the pilots.
04:40They're after me.
04:41They want to try and demean you.
04:42Israel and Iran continue to bomb each other even after the truce.
04:50Hours after U.S. President Donald Trump announced ceasefire, Israeli defense forces reported more
04:55than six targeted attacks by Iran on Israeli cities.
04:58After Iran violated the ceasefire, Israeli jets struck missile launchers in the western part of Iran
05:05that were primed to fire at Israeli territory.
05:10We're getting you all the details of what happened through the last couple of hours.
05:14Iran-Israel fragile ceasefire comes into effect with U.S. President Donald Trump's big peace push.
05:28Two days after hitting Iran's nuclear sites with bunker buster bombs.
05:35Following the directive of the political echelon, the ceasefire went into effect this morning.
05:40It can be said that the IDF fully met all objectives defined in Operation Rising Lion.
05:45The chief of staff instructed the IDF to maintain a high level of alertness and readiness
05:49for a powerful response to any violation of ceasefire.
05:52Even at these moments, the Air Force maintains an air alert to eliminate threats and to take rapid offensive actions.
05:58Hours later, sirens blared in Haifa, the Galilee, and the Golan Heights after Iran launched salvo or ballistic missiles launched at Israel.
06:16Damaged cars, storefronts, and debris were seen in Be'er Sheba after an Iranian missile hit a residential building.
06:24Israel's military said six waves of missiles were launched by Iran and that there were multiple casualties in Be'er Sheba.
06:34Israeli rescue services searched for people potentially trapped under rubble of a building in southern Israel.
06:41Israeli firefighters retrieved bodies from the building hit by Iranian missiles in Be'er Sheba.
06:46I'm right now in Be'er Sheba, where today Iran launched ballistic missiles on the residential buildings and the state of destruction is quite evident.
06:55The impact of this destruction is evident on this particular building.
06:59And this is the biggest ever attack in the last 12 days.
07:02And the timing is very important to understand because this was happening when the ceasefire claims were coming in from United States President Donald Trump.
07:09Right in the morning from 5 a.m. to 7.45, 8 a.m., the attacks continued.
07:15And here you see another building also, which is around at a distance of 100 meters from the other building.
07:22This is also inflicted with severe damages.
07:26In retaliation, Israel launched targeted attack on Iran's missile launchers.
07:31The launchers were destroyed as part of Israel's ongoing effort to neutralize threats following Iran's latest barrage.
07:39Iran also said that it was moving a resolution to suspend Tehran's cooperation with UN nuclear watchdog, IAEA.
07:50Iranian nuclear facilities are peaceful.
07:53And where all Iranian nuclear activity, nuclear facilities, were under subject to the intensive inspection of the IAEA, International Atomic Energy Agency.
08:12So, but at the same time, they claim that it's not peaceful, and they launched such this.
08:25You know, still, the Iranian concern structure are studying the extent of damages to the infrastructures.
08:39I am not at the position to say what happened and how is the situation now.
08:47Now, I am still, you know, it's something that needs a high-ranking decision.
08:54It's strategic.
08:56It needs a strategic decision and a strategic position for the next step.
09:02UN nuclear watchdog, IAEA, meanwhile, said Iran resuming cooperation with it is key to reaching peace.
09:12A meeting of the nuke watchdog with Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Arachi is also on the cards.
09:19Qatar, which helped Trump broker the truce, summoned the Iranian ambassador to formally condemn Iran's strike on its soil.
09:25Hours after Iran fired missiles at Al-Udayd military base housing U.S. war assets, which, as per the U.S., was foiled.
09:37Is there an end in sight to the 12-day war, or the open conflict will turn into a prolonged war of attrition?
09:45With Shivani Sharma in Tel Aviv, Bureau Report, India Today.
09:55And we cut across to breaking news coming in.
09:59The latest post that has come in from Donald Trump that reads that I caught Israel is not going to attack Iran.
10:05All planes will turn around and head home while doing a friendly plane wave to Iran.
10:11Nobody will be hurt.
10:13The ceasefire is in effect.
10:15Thank you for your attention to this matter.
10:17Donald J. Trump, President of the United States.
10:20So, Donald Trump primarily has put out the assurance that Israel will not attack Iran anymore.
10:28I'd like to go across to my colleague Shivani Sharma, who will join us from Tel Aviv shortly,
10:32to give us a sense of the extent of damage that has been caused in Israel.
10:36Because Israel claimed that it was Iran that had violated ceasefire.
10:41And that is why, from their side, it was a counter-strike.
10:45But Donald Trump now assuring Israel will not attack.
10:50Hence, Iran must hold back.
10:53Shivani, I can see you.
10:54Please do tell us, what are the chances that Israel will hold back?
10:58Has there been a conversation between America and Israel?
11:02Donald Trump putting out that assurance.
11:03But he had also said that a couple of hours ago.
11:06And then Israel said that we had to strike Iran because they violated ceasefire.
11:10How do you think it's turning out now?
11:12Tumisha, this assurance has come from President Donald Trump.
11:17I think this is the fourth statement coming from last night when he had first claimed about the ceasefire.
11:23Then again in the morning, he had brought that message that do not violate the ceasefire.
11:28Again, he brought out a message that he said that he's just not happy with Israel.
11:32This is the fourth message on social where he's saying that Israel will not bomb Iran.
11:38All the planes are turning around.
11:40So this is the kind of claims that are coming in from President Donald Trump.
11:44But we have to wait and watch on ground whether these claims are actually turning into reality.
11:49Whether Prime Minister Netanyahu is actually considering the request or whatever is being claimed by President Donald Trump of not bombing Iran.
11:56But here, what we were learning and getting the statements from the IDF and from Israel that the kind of violation that came in from Iran early morning from 5 a.m. to 7.45 a.m.
12:08There was devastation across the cities in Israel from Iranian side.
12:12We have also been showing the pictures of the kind of attacks, the ballistic attacks that have been imposed on multiple cities across Israel, including Beersheba, where people have lost their lives.
12:22So it was being considered as a very serious violation and the IDF had announced that it is going to attack Iran as a mark of retribution and as a mark of retaliation to the strike that have happened, the violation.
12:38So now, what we are learning is that a claim has come from Donald Trump that Israel is not going to attack.
12:44But we have to wait and watch to see whether Israel has actually considered this or it is going to attack Iran and to punish it for what it has done as a ceasefire violation in the morning.
12:54Oh yes, Shivani.
12:55And the next couple of hours are going to be very crucial because this is a message to Iran.
12:59Do not provoke.
13:01Israel is claiming up front that because they provoked, hence they counterstruck.
13:06So Iran should not provoke is the message both America and Israel are putting out.
13:16Shivani.
13:18Certainly, Suesha.
13:19Yes, this is the message that Israel wants to give to Iran because after the ceasefire violations that came in in the morning, there have been very important statements that came in not only from the Prime Minister, from the Defence Minister in Israel, but also from the IDF chief.
13:35They said that this was a serious violation and Israel is not to, it will not sit quietly, it will hit Bashar to give a lesson to Iran that it cannot just keep on bombing on the civilian society, civilian areas inside Israel.
13:49Birsheba, that happens to be a busy residential city.
13:53It was bombed by Iran in the morning.
13:55We also saw how the structures have turned into debris.
14:00So after this, there was a sense of disappointment also in the people.
14:05I was talking to a few people in Birsheba, the Israeli people.
14:08They were saying that they do not believe Iran.
14:10They do not believe in such kind of a ceasefire where the ceasefire announcements are being made, where the talks are being done.
14:15And at the very moment, the Iranians are hitting them.
14:19So they did not believe at that moment and they wanted some kind of action from their forces.
14:27And we are seeing that Israel has been preparing for that action.
14:32I could hear a number of jets flying in the skies of Israel while I was traveling from Birsheba to other locations.
14:37So we have to wait and see whether Israel punishes Iran for the strikes it brought to its civilians in the morning or it is not going to do anything as per Donald Trump's claim that it is not going to bomb because he was very disappointed.
14:53He was trying to do peace.
14:54He was talking to Iran and Israel both.
14:57But now we have to be watchful of the coming hours if Israel chooses to strike back at Iran.
15:03And Iran can also also threat.
15:07Oh, yes, Shivani.
15:08And Donald Trump, not mincing any words there, said that he was unhappy about the fact that Israel unloaded despite the fact that they had struck truce.
15:17U.S. President Donald Trump asked Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu do not carry out a strike in Iran following that ceasefire that they had mediated.
15:27A senior Israeli official told the media, in fact, that Netanyahu had told Trump that a response was necessary, but he has now agreed to scale back the operation.
15:39The official said that Israel has cancelled plans to hit multiple targets and instead struck only one.
15:48Now, remember, we are picking up more details of how minutes after Trump warned of ceasefire, assuring that Israel will not strike.
15:58We are getting details of how explosions have been heard in Iran's capital city of Tehran.
16:04Reports coming in of how there have been two loud explosions that were heard in Tehran.
16:10Which means that Israel has not held back or was this really an operation that was in action and there would be no counter-strike from here on?
16:22Will Iran retaliate is the big question.
16:25But Donald Trump making it very clear that both sides must hold back.
16:30He has assured, as far as Israel is concerned, that they will not strike.
16:35However, details coming in of explosions that were heard in Iran's capital city, Tehran, where we are now getting reports of two loud explosions that were heard in Tehran.
16:46Shivani, I want to come back to you.
16:47How is one to deduce these details?
16:49Because Israel had primarily said that while they've cancelled plans to hit multiple targets and instead struck only one.
16:58Is this that particular one or are the strikes very much on?
17:05Svesha, you are actually at the right point.
17:09I think that when these talks were going on and Prime Minister Netanyahu was being told by Donald Trump to hold back,
17:16there was some action already that was taking place on ground.
17:19Because since morning we've been getting those developments, those strong statements from Israel
17:23where it has been claiming that it will punish Iran for the strikes it has brought to its civilians in the morning.
17:28So, the explosions that are being heard in Tehran are possibly the explosions which were already into action in the sky.
17:35The pilots were already operating.
17:37They wanted to give a strong message to Iran that you cannot sit quietly and you cannot just go away by just striking to our civilians.
17:46And we have to give some response.
17:48So, this is the response which probably has been brought now by Israel onto Iran and there might be a stop in this action after Trump's deliberations.
17:59So, we have to wait.
18:00But yes, certainly what the inputs that are showing are that there can be some action that has already taken place from Israel's side on Iran
18:07after it chose to strike on these different cities across Israel.
18:12Because I was telling you that I was hearing a lot of fighter jets in the skies of Israel.
18:17That means the action was already in place.
18:19The pilots were already on into the operations.
18:21The instructions were already passed.
18:23And since these developments are changing each minute, the situation is developing very quickly, Suwesha.
18:31So, we can see some change in the attitude and the operations of Israel from now on.
18:38Because there is a message that has once again come from Donald Trump who claims that Israel is not going to bomb any more targets inside Iran.
18:45But what has happened can be an action that was already in place when the talks were already on.
18:53Alright Shivani, many thanks for getting us those details.
18:55So, priority of course at this time is the fact that both sides must hold back.
18:59Meanwhile, we also shift our focus to the other big angle that requires everyone's attention.
19:06Because Iran is hinting at snapping ties with the IAEA.
19:10Let's tell you the key statements that have come in where Iran has said that they will suspend cooperation with the IAEA.
19:17Installing surveillance cameras will now be suspended by the IAEA at their key nuclear sites.
19:24And allowing inspections will now be suspended by Iran.
19:28Also, they've gone on to say that submitting reports to IAEA will be suspended.
19:35This primarily means that Iran is stating that they will not be answerable to the nuke watchdog anymore.
19:42But what can be the consequences?
19:44Five big fallouts that we take you through.
19:46If that happens, there will be no one to watch Iran's secret nuclear program.
19:52And that can once again lead to aggression.
19:56Iran may secretly carry out enrichment.
19:59While there have been claims that they have been doing that, they have denied it.
20:02IAEA of course has put out its version.
20:05But the fact that there is no nuclear watchdog, this could be another scenario.
20:08Third scenario, possibility of Iran developing a tactical nuclear weapon.
20:14And this, of course, would be dangerous territory.
20:18Also, proliferation threat if Iran pulls out of the NPT is something they have been stating again and again.
20:25In fact, Iran may give dirty nuclear bomb to the Houthis and Hezbollahs
20:30because we've understood how they have been supporting these proxies and fighting this war through proxies.
20:36If that happens, this could be dangerous territory.
20:40Let me cut across to Geeta Mohan joining us live with further details of what may happen as far as the IAEA situation with Iran is concerned.
20:52Can they pull out?
20:53Will the other nations agree?
20:55How do you see it?
20:57Hello.
20:58I was speaking to the Iranian ambassador and I asked the same question to him whether if Iran is going to engage the IAEA.
21:06on the facilities that were attacked, whether there has been any radioactive leak in any of the facilities.
21:15So far, what Iran has said is that they have been adhering to every norm and rule of the International Atomic Energy Agency
21:24and that Iran is a signatory of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, that's NPT.
21:31And despite that, the IAEA put out statements which were unbecoming and the reason why there has been the escalation that we've seen between Iran, Israel and now America and the free as well.
21:47And he solely blamed the IAEA chief, Rafael Grossi, for the statements, falsified statements made by him according to Iran.
21:57And it doesn't seem like right now they're very keen on engaging the IAEA.
22:03In fact, what they've said is that they're going to assess, their atomic energy agency is going to assess the situation on the ground,
22:10look at details and also then assess whether if IAEA has a role to play or not.
22:15Iran, in fact, has been one of the most rigorously inspected countries when it comes to uranium enrichment
22:22and has a loud entry and access to various nuclear facilities.
22:28So, at this point in time, it doesn't seem like Iran is very keen on engaging IAEA.
22:33All right, we wait and watch what happens on that front.
22:35Geeta, thank you for joining us.
22:36There is a ceasefire now that has been announced between Iran and Israel.
22:46But how viable is the ceasefire going to be in a situation that's ongoing
22:51and you have Netanyahu at the helm of affairs in Israel?
22:55Regarding your question, Netanyahu is not reliable.
23:00Netanyahu is not reliable.
23:01Netanyahu is not sustainable.
23:02He launched a militaryyle aggression against Iran, Iranian peaceful nuclear installation facilities
23:14and he also, during his military operation, this attack, they targeted residential area,
23:23health care centers, ambulances, hospitals, residential areas.
23:29Because different, you know, did not pay the least bit attention to the international law, humanitarian law.
23:37So he is not reliable. He is not reliable regarding the ceasefire.
23:44But anyway, we are ready to respond to any action by Israel.
23:51If it continue striking or start its aggression, we will respond.
24:01Ambassador, did America entering the fray really surprise Tehran?
24:06Because there was a two-week notice that Donald Trump had given, and yet it entered the war.
24:12Was it something that was on expected lines, intelligence reports or assessment that Tehran had that America will be entering the war?
24:24You know, America can play at two parallel lines.
24:29From one side, in one line, they tried to convince Iran that we want negotiation, we want to reach to a conclusion, to a rapprochement with Iran.
24:45And at the same time, they were working on a military operation, and they were supporting financially, militarily, intelligently.
24:57And they have gave Israel whatever it needs for such this aggression.
25:03But I use this opportunity to mention that, first of all, Trump himself is not reliable, is not a predictable person.
25:14And United States also is not reliable.
25:17You know, we were preparing ourselves for the six indirect talked rounds with the mediation of Uman.
25:29And we were guessing, we were expecting such this aggression, and we were preparing ourselves to defend and respond.
25:41But at the same time, we try to convince ourselves that United States will not allow Israel.
25:55You know, Israel by itself cannot do anything.
25:58Israel is a little bit.
25:59It is smaller than to do anything.
26:01Not only against Iran, but most of the regional countries, regional states in our region.
26:13Israel cannot do anything, and still cannot do anything, and would not do anything, without permission and without support of United States and some Western countries.
26:22And, you know, during the response of Iran, we fully witnessed the support of United States and other, you know, European, other allies of Israel for intercepting our missiles.
26:44And to not allow our missiles to reach Israel, of course, of course, despite of this, our missiles targeted different facilities and different infrastructure of Israel.
26:57Anyway, we were expecting, we were expecting such this, and we were ready.
27:06But, you were expecting America to enter the war?
27:09You know, we were expecting, we were expecting.
27:18Very interesting.
27:19President Trump has said that America managed to decimate the three nuclear facilities, and that Iran has only done a symbolic gesture with the attack on the U.S. basis.
27:34Your comment, sir.
27:34You know, first of all, Iranian nuclear facilities are peaceful, and where all Iranian nuclear activity, nuclear facilities, were under subject to the intensive inspection of the IAEA, International Atomic Energy Agency.
28:01So, but at the same time, they claim that it's not peaceful, and they launched such this.
28:14You know, still, the Iranian concern structure are studying the extent of damages to the infrastructures.
28:27I am not at the position to say what happened, and how is the situation now.
28:37I am still, you know, it's something that needs a high-ranking decision.
28:43It's strategic.
28:45It needs a strategic decision and a strategic position for the next step.
28:50Indian interests and investments in Iran.
28:54The Chabahar port is very important.
28:57We were speaking to the Israeli envoy to India as well, and he was saying that they're warning against investing in Iran, not just to India, but also the messaging to China,
29:11that stop investing because it's a waste of our money.
29:16How are the investments looking, of Indian investments in Iran, as opposed to Indian investments in Israel, because Haifa was also attacked?
29:29Israel is smaller than anything to treat any investment in Iran.
29:37You know, we, Israel itself and alone is not any treat to Iran.
29:43Let me talk to, say to you and your viewers, Israel without U.S., Israel without the support of the EU, Israel without the support of different Western countries, is nothing.
29:56You know, but it poses a problem for the region, for the region.
30:05We fully defend any foreign investment in Iran, not Indian, Chinese.
30:14You know, despite of the sanctions, let me show you and change this perception that Iran is under heavy sanctions.
30:21Annually, we are receiving foreign investment in Iran.
30:26India is just one.
30:27There are also private sector of India that are keen, and they have entered Iranian economy.
30:40They have invested in Iran from China.
30:43You know, some countries at the level, governmental institutions, have invested in Iran, and even private sector.
30:50You know, Iran is a good market for, a good place for investment, rich, it is rich, it is, their energy price is low, labor force is low, there are good facilities, good infrastructure.
31:07So it's, feasibility.
31:12Are the investments safe?
31:13All investments are safe, all investments, you know, it depends to you how to interpret the safety.
31:24You know, Iran's government is fully support foreign investment.
31:29This is one side, legally and constitutionally, Iran's government is fully support any foreign investment.
31:39And, you know, there are too many investments.
31:44From the security, also, it is the responsibility of Iranian government.
31:51You know, if there is a factory or a project inside Iran, it's the responsibility of Iran to defend its sovereignty, its security.
32:03And these investments are among other projects, other installations, other facilities inside Iran.
32:09So we will defend them all.
32:14We will defend them.
32:20Ambassador Azhar was the former deputy national security advisor to the foreign ministry in Israel.
32:27He's been the deputy ambassador to the United States of America.
32:30He's worked as a special advisor to Israel's prime minister.
32:34He's worked on that special team on the Abraham Accord.
32:37He's been a part of the sanctions committee on Iran.
32:41He's a paratrooper.
32:43Have I missed out on anything?
32:44I'm sure I've missed out a lot.
32:46But welcome on this podcast.
32:48Thank you, Karim.
32:49Sir, was Israel able to achieve its aim when Israel bombed Iran?
32:56And why did the United States have to come in?
32:58We are certainly nearing the end of our mission when it comes to the military targets that we had.
33:06We removed two main threats on our existence.
33:09The first is the nuclear military threat.
33:12We identified in the last few months that there was a clandestine criminal group of scientists that were actually assembling a nuclear weapon,
33:20but actually taking fissile material and trying to put it on a ballistic missile.
33:24And the second thing is we neutralized is the ballistic missile program of Iran that we degraded,
33:35but the job is not yet done.
33:37There are still many launchers around there.
33:39We've been able to take out more than half of them,
33:42but still we're seeing barrages of missiles being fired at Israel that are causing huge devastation.
33:49So these two aims are the military aims, and we hope that after those are achieved,
33:55we'll be able to renew diplomatic efforts to renew stability in our region.
34:01So when we look at the situation right now,
34:03the trinity that was targeted by the United States of America as part of Operation Midnight Hammer,
34:10along with your rising lion,
34:13why was Fordow the most difficult in your appreciation,
34:17Isfahan, Natanz and Fordow?
34:19For the benefit of our viewers, explain why they had to be targeted and targeted together.
34:25Natanz was the main facility in which Iran was enriching uranium.
34:30It had a surface facility and an underground facility that we targeted.
34:33Isfahan was the main conversion site in which you convert the fissile material into a metal
34:40that is being used on a nuclear device.
34:43And Fordow was less significant in terms of uranium enrichment capacity,
34:49but what it had is the immunity, so-called immunity of the presence in the underground.
34:57So for us, it would have been more difficult to tackle that
35:01because the ammunition we have is limited in power.
35:06And the fact that the United States decided to complement our effort with their own effort
35:10is very important because they had the right weapons needed in order to penetrate
35:17more than 60 meters with their MOAB load that facility
35:24and to completely, if not destroy it, at least to take it into an unfunctional situation.
35:31So these are three of the main elements of the nuclear military program,
35:36but not only the, not the only ones.
35:39Israel has been targeting actually dozens of sites
35:42in which Iran has been conducting this illicit activity.
35:46Is this operation, which is apart from destroying their nuclear capabilities
35:50and their missile force and their launchers, also to enforce a regime change?
35:54Because not only is, you know, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu indicating that,
35:59your Defence Minister Israel Katz has indicated that,
36:01and American President Donald Trump seems to have indicated that,
36:05a regime change operation in Iran.
36:06I want to make it very clear because there is confusion regarding that.
36:09As much as we would like to see a regime change in Iran,
36:12we don't have an operational plan to change the regime in Iran.
36:16We don't see this as our role.
36:18We see it as the role of the Iranian people.
36:21And that's why the bombing of the gates of the prison,
36:24where you have political prisoners in Iran.
36:26Yes, because we identify with the Iranian people.
36:29This is a symbolic action.
36:31We are not flying to Iran to liberate it with our ground forces.
36:36But we are signaling to the Iranian people that you are with them.
36:39This is a symbolism, a symbolic gesture that we've done.
36:44But this is, is there an apprehension, is there fear this could be a forever war?
36:49You know, the war that started with that October 7 attack is still on and could expand.
36:54This has been a forever war, a forever attack of Iran coming from Iran.
36:59You know, this started in the 90s when we were trying to promote peace and make peace with the Palestinians.
37:05And the Iranians started to support Hamas and the suicide bombings.
37:10And they derailed the peace process time and again.
37:13The Iranians have been doing damage to our region and to us for many, many years.
37:19We want to end this war.
37:21And we hope that finally when the Iranians see that they are not immune anymore,
37:26that they will suffer the consequences to the extent that the regime will be put in danger,
37:31then maybe there is a chance that things will change.
37:34And we hope things will change.
37:35How do you see Pakistan in all of this?
37:37You know, Pakistan in a different context wants to recommend Donald Trump for a Nobel Peace Prize
37:42and then goes and stands with Iran that's sworn to Israel's destruction.
37:47Well, we are not part of the Pakistani-Indian conflict.
37:52We are, of course, following with concern the fact that Pakistan is harboring terrorist organizations.
37:58It's something that I think the entire world should cooperate in order to deal with.
38:04But we haven't seen the Pakistanis doing what the Iranians have been doing.
38:11You know, sending assistance to terrorist organizations in our region,
38:15trying to build a ring of fire around us.
38:18We haven't seen that.
38:20So, as I said, we are not looking for enemies.
38:23Okay.
38:24But, you know, since you talk about what's happening in your region,
38:27is Israel still standing by the two-nation theory, you know, concept or a solution,
38:34an independent Palestine living in harmony next to Israel
38:38and not targeting your people like the way Hamas did?
38:41We don't have an interest to control the daily lives of Palestinians outside Israel.
38:47What we like to do is to promote a self-Palestinian rule that will not threaten Israel.
38:55So, we are ready to give the Palestinians the maximum authority to control themselves
39:02without threatening us.
39:05But no Hamas.
39:06No Hamas in the Gaza Strip, for example.
39:09Because Hamas is completely committed to destroy the state of Israel.
39:15So, of course, that we wouldn't agree.
39:18Look, we have been in a situation in which,
39:21after we withdrew completely from the Gaza Strip with the hope
39:24that something positive will emerge there.
39:27Okay.
39:28We've taken out all the settlements from there,
39:30even the graveyards we took out.
39:32We left their nurseries.
39:35Means to make a living.
39:38What Hamas did a few months after we left,
39:41they completely destroyed the nurseries.
39:43They engaged in creating a war machine against us.
39:49And for years, we tried to avoid from going back to the Gaza Strip.
39:52We had zero interest in controlling the Gaza Strip.
39:54But we were left with no choice
39:56when they committed these terrible atrocities against us.
40:01So, what happens now?
40:02Because President Donald Trump says he wants to build a Rivera there.
40:06So, now Israel will have to stay there until Hamas is removed.
40:10We will have to contemplate new forces coming up,
40:16more moderate forces that will engage in de-radicalization
40:20of the population in Gaza,
40:22that will engage in construction,
40:24that will distance itself from terrorism,
40:27will distance itself from attacking the state of Israel.
40:30In that context, we can create a much better future
40:33for us and for our Palestinian neighbors.
40:36You don't think Iran is going to get more aggressive
40:39in the times to come
40:41when it says suspend their parliament,
40:43their majlis has talked about suspending the IAEA,
40:47they're very unhappy with the United Nations,
40:49though they're seeking, you know, some kind of intervention?
40:52Well, I'm sure, Gaurav, that they're very unhappy
40:53because they didn't expect what we did to them.
40:57The question is,
40:59what is the capability to go through with your intentions?
41:03So I think at the end of the day,
41:05people have to match their actions
41:11and their intentions with the capabilities they have.
41:15Therefore, I'm optimistic that we can de-escalate the situation
41:18and we can get a diplomatic solution.
41:21Where do you see India and Israel's friendship with India in all of this?
41:27Well, India is a great partner of Israel.
41:29We have a lot of trust between us.
41:31We have built distrusts in decades of defense cooperation.
41:35We have built distrusts in decades of agricultural cooperation.
41:39We have a lot in common.
41:41I think both nations are very old peoples
41:45that have very young countries
41:47with a lot of challenges of development
41:49that we can actually engage in solving, sorting out together.
41:53And we also have a history of oppression and devastation
42:00that came from foreign forces,
42:02that came and actually took our freedom from us.
42:05And the fact that now we are assuming our role,
42:13we are taking back our freedom,
42:15we are building our country,
42:17this is a very important ethos that we have in common, Garo.
42:20So I see, despite the differences in size, naturally,
42:25you know, we are only a nation of 10 million people.
42:28And we are 150 times smaller than India.
42:32But when it comes to the ethos of building our nation,
42:37when it comes to the challenges of fighting radicalism,
42:41we stand together.
42:44And I know that India will have a huge role
42:46in promoting stability in our region
42:49because as much as you grow
42:50and your economy is growing very fast
42:54and as much as you sign trade deals
42:57with other major countries,
43:01the major economies in the world,
43:03you will need more of this connectivity,
43:07you know, the countries in our region can provide
43:09that connect India with Europe, with the West.
43:14We can engage in projects of energy,
43:17of communications, of technology, transportation.
43:22And this is just the beginning.
43:24I'm really not only hopeful, but optimistic
43:28because we know what we can do
43:30because our countries are countries that are convinced now
43:34in the capability that we have
43:37in order to improve our lives.
43:41We have proved it.
43:42You have proved it.
43:43We have proved it.
43:44And we can do it together in a much better way.
43:47And your reading of India's actions
43:49during Operation Sindhu,
43:51because that's also debated very extensively,
43:53but as somebody who's observed it
43:56and as a soldier, as a diplomat,
43:58how do you view that?
43:59I saw a nation rising up
44:04to try to change the equation.
44:08We don't surrender to terrorism
44:10and you don't surrender to terrorism.
44:14And the policy of mowing the lawn,
44:19you know, that I heard of in Israel,
44:22is that that's constantly required?
44:25You need to constantly fight terror.
44:26We need to constantly fight terror.
44:28Is that the only way to move forward?
44:30Look, there are many ways
44:31and the situations are not necessarily similar.
44:33I don't want to get into the details
44:35because I'm not an expert
44:36when it comes to your security situation,
44:40your set of considerations.
44:43I trust the government of India
44:45to make the right moves
44:47for the interests of the Indian people.
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