- 24/06/2025
Take a chilling look inside the homes of actual killers and meet their families. Also, get a peek at their prisons to hear from killers themselves, resulting in powerful, unsettling and contentious encounters.
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00:00he made me feel special like I was different than you know just a kid and he cared about us and he
00:09showered us with affection he was a good grandpa I was really close with him growing up and I've
00:17always wondered about what he really does that we don't know about 26 year old Dustin Moreland
00:23of Denison was shot to death by Wesley Buster Clark in Harrison County last May the judge
00:28sentenced Clark to life in prison with the possibility of parole after 30 years
00:32I would have never thought about that a day in my life that he would have done that to somebody
00:44kind of shocking to hear that my papa killed somebody and just left him like that and he
00:52just threw everything away through his grandkids life's away through his life away I'm really the
00:58only grandkid who talks to him anymore I'm out of eight of us you know I want to hear what he has
01:04to say but I'm not ready for how it makes me see him
01:28I was like a check on hide once I got that call to do something it was like I went into another
01:37mind frame whatever they needed done dirty from breaking somebody's leg to shoot somebody or killing
01:49somebody I have certain things I wouldn't do for no less than 30. What's worth 30,000 what kind of job?
01:57somebody's life
01:58how many times have you done that
02:02how many times have you done that
02:14and how many times have you seen someone come in front of me
02:18and I want to hear that
02:23what kind of job we'll find with theести to improve them
02:26This is a picture of
02:52maybe one of the first times
02:55my papal met me after I was born.
02:59That was first grandchild, first granddaughter.
03:01I think he kind of put me on a pedestal.
03:05Grandpas and granddaughters have a special relationship.
03:08I think it means a lot to him
03:10that I think I did something for him.
03:14I think I changed something in him when I was born.
03:19I've seen this picture a lot growing up.
03:22It was just like our first meeting, so it was special.
03:26It was up in the house around.
03:28My mamaw kind of had like grandparent like picture frames.
03:33So it was like different pictures of him with me and her with me.
03:36And they didn't really do that for the other grandkids.
03:39So I was like kind of displayed around the house.
03:41I'm not sure exactly why he was in prison for this time.
03:47But it was just a part of his life that we knew about that he was in prison.
03:52I don't think he's ever looked like a violent man,
03:54but usually you can tell by people's eyes and you don't see that in his eyes.
03:58I see kindness in his eyes.
04:00I see kindness in his eyes.
04:04My grandpa had metal rings.
04:22They probably cover your whole last knuckle.
04:25And they were like a skull or an eagle.
04:30He kind of had them in like one of my mamaw's curio cabinets with her angels, her angel figurines.
04:37I would put them on my hands at the time and just think they were cool.
04:43He didn't wear them on a daily basis.
04:45They were for occasions.
04:46I wouldn't say special occasions, but they were for a reason.
04:52I remember when I was at my grandparents' house for the weekend,
04:55and he was saying he had to leave, he had to go.
04:59And he slicked his hair all back.
05:02It was like he gelled it back.
05:04Usually he didn't do his hair.
05:06I thought that was weird that he did his hair.
05:07He rolled up his sleeves and he put on his big rings.
05:13He looked intimidating to me.
05:15He left out of the garage and I didn't see him for the rest of the night.
05:19I've remembered it, you know, 18 years from then, it's always been in my mind.
05:36It was like a warm inviting place, their house was.
05:39And it's weird, but you know, it smelled like cigarettes and like vanilla.
05:44And like at Christmas time, they'd have a big old tree and my pap would like to throw tinsel on it,
05:48like the old timey trees.
05:52You never felt bad when you were there.
05:54You always knew you were loved.
05:56Everybody doted on each other.
06:00My grandpa, he just liked to spoil us on Christmas.
06:04It'd be like you couldn't even get close to the tree,
06:06because the gifts would just be piling out.
06:10If I told him anything I wanted, it was always there.
06:14When I was younger, I heard that he worked on the oil rigs.
06:17He always worked for his money.
06:20He didn't want handouts when he was out here.
06:24He worked hard.
06:25I just always thought that's what he did,
06:27was when he was working, it was on the rigs.
06:29Because I guess we didn't really know who he really was.
06:32I didn't know of it back then, but I've learned recently that he had kind of side jobs
06:45that weren't probably as legal as working on the rigs was.
06:50How much do you understand about his involvement in this motorcycle club?
06:55I don't know a lot about it.
06:58I didn't, like I said before, I didn't even realize that that was a real thing.
07:02I don't know what he would have had to do,
07:05and they weren't just getting together to ride motorcycles and go to bars and stuff.
07:10I remember when my papa left, I was there for the weekend.
07:26I was sitting on the couch watching TV.
07:29I think I was the only kid there that day.
07:31Him and my mamaw were arguing in the bedroom,
07:34in which they never argued, they never fought.
07:36This is just disrespectful, so I don't have to stand here taking this crap.
07:40And he said, you know, F it, I'm leaving.
07:44And he stormed out of the house.
07:46He just left, got in his truck and left.
07:50I didn't expect to see that happen, and my mamaw was upset, really upset.
07:56I heard her crying.
08:01I go into the room, and I sit with her, and I could see through my grandmother's pain that it was serious.
08:08Her husband of however many years just walked out on her.
08:13She's quite devastated.
08:16It was hard for me to see my mamaw like that.
08:18I think I tried to hug her.
08:20That's all I really could do.
08:22Only being 12 or 13, I don't know how to really handle a situation like that.
08:29After I found out about his girlfriend, we kind of just were all like, no, thanks.
08:36How do you just leave a woman you've been with for 40 years just like that for somebody else?
08:44We didn't want really any part of that.
08:48I knew my mamaw didn't deserve that.
08:51She always took care of him, was there for him.
08:54It took down my perception of him at that time.
08:56You know, he was treating my mamaw bad.
08:59He hurt everybody's relationship with him when he did that, all the grandkids, his kids, his wife.
09:04He was really only thinking about himself then.
09:08That was probably like the first incident where I saw that he could do crappy things
09:13and let us see it, and he wasn't hiding it.
09:25This is a prepaid debit call from...
09:27Buster.
09:29You know, I was one of the guys, you know, if you need something done,
09:34if you want to get your hands dirty, go see Buster.
09:38I saw a run around with the wrong people, little bad, little bad people there.
09:42Yeah.
09:42I didn't even shoot you to look at you.
09:44Yeah.
09:45And then I started getting that rep too, man.
09:48Yeah, he's next to Buster.
09:49And I had a deal at the bar one night, and I cut a guy's arm off with a machete.
10:00This was one of our Easter gatherings.
10:12Maybe we were inside coloring Easter eggs, because we did it all the time at their house.
10:17Yeah, that was typical of my grandparents' house.
10:22The adults hanging out, the kids hanging out.
10:24There was always motorcycles around.
10:26Everybody just really doing their own thing, but also being around each other at the same time.
10:33I don't know why he threw it all away.
10:38There was a lot more closeness in our family in those days.
10:42And just the family gatherings aren't as everybody getting together and enjoying each other's time.
10:52I don't know, they don't feel the same anymore than they used to.
10:55One day, he decided to show up when my parents were gone.
11:16And we were told if he comes, we weren't allowed to go outside.
11:19We weren't allowed to talk to him.
11:20I mean, my brother and we just pretended we weren't home.
11:28Where are you guys?
11:31And he would go knock on all the doors and look in the windows and like holler that he knows we're there.
11:37It was stressful.
11:38It was kind of scary.
11:39He didn't really know what was happening or what was going to happen.
11:48We'd see him in the driveway.
11:50The bandana on, his sunglasses.
11:52And he was just leaning up against his bike.
11:54Just waiting for one of us to come outside.
11:58But we weren't allowed.
12:00I was watching the news at my grandmother's house and they were like saying that this man was wanted for killing Dustin.
12:11Breaking news tops.
12:11News 9 at 6.
12:12A murder investigation is underway right now and police are hunting for the accused killer.
12:19Because they have already identified a suspect as Wesley Clark who is 52 and also goes by Buster.
12:28They put a picture up.
12:28They put his full name up on the TV and they were like given like, you know, sightings where he could have been.
12:36This poster was put up because he was wanted for the murder.
12:41Of Dustin Moreland and he was on the run at this time.
12:45These had been posted up in, you know, grocery stores and gas stations.
12:50Around town.
13:02This poster was put up because he was wanted for the murder of Dustin Moreland and he was on the run at this time.
13:11He's been posted up in, you know, grocery stores and gas stations around town.
13:17They made it seem like, you know, he was dangerous.
13:21You couldn't approach him, he would hurt you, I guess, but it seemed like a different narrative than I knew of him.
13:30I think everybody was stressed.
13:33They didn't really know what he was doing or where he was or what the circumstances were for everybody else in the family, too.
13:40So I think everybody had extra stress during that time.
13:43I've never, you know, had to see that side of him.
13:46And he does look different in this picture.
13:48Like, you can tell in his eyes that there's something going on with him, something serious.
14:00This looks like the headline for when they announced that he had been captured.
14:10It's my grandpa in handcuffs with three officers around him.
14:17Clark captured, wanted man in custody after manhunt in Carroll County.
14:22I guess he was behind an empty house.
14:28He was trying to, um, alter his appearance.
14:32So he dyed it all black.
14:34He just looked crazy.
14:36He didn't look like my papal.
14:38I was glad when he got caught.
14:42It was just unnecessary for him to be on the run if he knew he did wrong.
14:48And I do agree that he has to serve his time for what he did.
14:52He has to have his punishment.
14:54I just never would have thought that, you know, he was a criminal criminal.
14:58I've never seen that side to him to believe that he's a dangerous man.
15:05Like, he never seemed a danger to me ever in my life.
15:17Is it possible he was leading a double life?
15:20I don't, I don't doubt it at all.
15:22This call is from a DRC correctional facility.
15:32And is subject to monitoring and recording.
15:34What's, uh, now hug that tree, man.
15:37You know what?
15:38I said hug the tree.
15:40And hug that so good.
15:42And he didn't say nothing.
15:44And I put the gun in.
15:46The fire party was stalled.
15:48And where his neck is.
15:50That boy, that was shy.
15:59Wesley Clark at one point declined an attorney and represented himself.
16:03Tuesday, he yet again did something nobody saw coming.
16:06Plead guilty.
16:07I, uh, ended, uh, doesn't more look like.
16:11I'm really the only grandkid who talks to him anymore.
16:20And he just doesn't speak to really anybody.
16:24He doesn't have any of his siblings anymore.
16:26He doesn't have his parents.
16:28He's old and he's just in there for the rest of his life, however long it may be.
16:33I'd want to know, um, the real reason why he murdered Dustin.
16:42And why he thought that was the route he had to take.
16:46It'd be nice to know who he really was as a person during the time that he was my grandpa.
16:54And what he was really doing the whole time I thought he was a good person.
16:59And I'm nervous to know, like, really who he was his whole life and my whole life.
17:07But I feel like it would make me understand him more.
17:37I'm, uh, doing 30 to life for killing Dustin.
17:48It don't bother me to do something like I did.
17:55I mean, it really didn't.
17:59Are you a dangerous person?
18:02Yes, I can be a very dangerous person.
18:06Katie wants to know the real truth about who you are.
18:11And I feel like maybe she has not heard a lot of these stories.
18:15She doesn't really know who you are.
18:18Who I am.
18:19Are you that loving grandpa that she remembers?
18:22Or were you just hiding who you really are?
18:25I'll always be that loving grandpa.
18:30Always.
18:31But there's another side of me, you know?
18:35One night I took off work, man.
18:53And I go to the bar.
18:56And, uh, he's in there with two of his buddies.
18:59And right away they start running their mouth, man.
19:02And talking about, ah, you just left work, didn't punch out or nothing, did you?
19:06I said, man, don't worry about what I did, .
19:08And then I hear Carlos.
19:11I don't beat your ass, Buster.
19:13You were in your mouth, dude.
19:17I said, man, dude, get out of here, man.
19:20And he jumps, puts his fist up.
19:23And I thought he could fight, you know?
19:25Because the way he did, you know, it looked like he knew what he was doing.
19:28He didn't know what he was doing.
19:30He hit me, man.
19:34I looked at him.
19:36I said, dude, man, is that all you got?
19:39And his words were, yeah.
19:41I said, boy, you were in trouble.
19:44You were in trouble.
19:46He pulled out just behind his knife, man.
19:49He pulled that knife out.
19:51I said, oh, you're one of them, huh?
19:53I grabbed his arm.
19:54He didn't even do nothing with the knife.
19:55I grabbed his arm.
19:57And I smack him.
19:59He fell down.
20:01I get over him.
20:02I hit him about three or four more times.
20:04He was snoring, so I know he was knocked out.
20:06So I walked away.
20:11But, yeah, he died the next morning.
20:18Did you ever think about that man again or his family or have any remorse?
20:23You know, yeah, I did because he had two little girls, you know?
20:31And I seen them, you know, when we were loading up to leave to go out of state.
20:38I seen these little girls with their mom.
20:41And I did, I felt bad about that one.
20:46I really did.
20:47That's probably one of the only ones I really felt bad about.
20:50I just happened to hook up with a couple of guys I knew from years ago.
21:07And I started partying with them, going to their clubhouses and drinking.
21:12It's a motorcycle club I was involved with.
21:16Whatever they needed done dirty, from breaking somebody's leg to shooting somebody or killing somebody,
21:24I was the one they called.
21:29Oh, the money was real good.
21:31Certain things I wouldn't do for no less than $30,000, you know?
21:36$30,000?
21:37Yeah.
21:38What's worth $30,000?
21:39What kind of job?
21:40Somebody's life.
21:41How many times have you done that?
21:45How many times have you done that?
21:47Come on now.
22:00These guys, this club, this motorcycle club, a couple of them come to me because, you know,
22:07what I've been doing for them.
22:08Said, hey, we need you to go break this guy's legs when they're both broke.
22:14So I decided, no, I'm not going to do it.
22:16I don't need to draw more heat.
22:19I said, I'm not going to do that, man.
22:21I said, I got to stay out of trouble, man.
22:26About a week or two later, this dude, supposed to have been one of my best friends,
22:34come to me and tell me, hey, if you don't take care of this buster because you know too much about our
22:41family.
22:42He said, you're going to go down, man.
22:44He said, hey, you need to watch your family.
22:46I said, what did you say?
22:54He said, you need to watch your family.
22:56I went in the house, I got my shotgun, I was going to blow them off their bikes.
23:01You know, but they took off.
23:07This girl I was with, that other girl, she said, man, she goes, I'm worried, Buster.
23:15I'm real worried, man.
23:16You know, what about my daughters, you know, because she had a couple of kids.
23:21I said, man, I said, don't worry about it.
23:24I'm going to take care of it, man.
23:26Well, not only want me to take him out, they don't want me to break his legs, they want
23:45me to take him out.
23:46You know, and I told him straight out, I said, you know what the money is, you know what
23:49it costs.
23:50And they said, yeah, we know.
23:54I met him at the bar, when I was at the bar one night, he was in there.
23:58I said, man, you want to go get high, dude?
24:01He goes, yeah, let's go get high.
24:06I drove around for a while, man.
24:09I was just looking for the perfect spot.
24:13I said, I got pissed, I get out.
24:15And when I get out, I grab my pistol.
24:18It's in the door, and he gets out.
24:21I point the gun at him, and I said, you see what I got in my hand, dude?
24:26And he says, yeah.
24:27I said, you know what I'm supposed to do with you?
24:30He goes, yeah, Buster, but everybody knows I'm with you.
24:33And I told him, I said, do you think I give a ?
24:37And I walked him out through the woods, and I told him, I said, hug that tree, dude.
24:45He said, huh?
24:46I said, hug that tree.
24:53And when he did, I got behind him and shot him in the back of the head.
24:56That's it.
25:09Oh, they had the sheriff, they had the stair patrol.
25:12I mean, they had everybody out looking for me.
25:15And I was only on the run for about maybe a week.
25:28What did you think the outcome would be?
25:30You know, I didn't think it would be this.
25:32I really didn't.
25:33I felt my family was in danger.
25:35And I did an action to try and protect them.
25:38And, but the courts wouldn't let me do that.
25:43You don't think of the consequences.
25:44That's, that's my problem.
25:46You know, I got a big problem with that.
25:50You know, it's obvious.
25:53I mean, all my life I've been like that.
25:55How many times have you been in and out of jail and prison throughout your life?
26:08Oh, my.
26:10Well, I started doing time as a Jew now, probably 13.
26:18You know, little, little dumb stuff, running away from home, stealing cars.
26:24You know, I started doing drugs at a young age.
26:28And it seems like every time I would get messed up, I was fighting.
26:35Every time.
26:37You know, and that's just the way I was.
26:40I grew up around a lot of violence.
26:43I've always been like that.
26:46If I get something in my head to do it, I do it.
26:50And don't think about, well, if this happens, if this happens, this is gonna happen.
26:55I've never done that.
27:09When I've spoken to Katie, and she has a memory of you wearing these rings,
27:15what you would be doing, going out with those rings on and dressed the way you were.
27:19Oh, if I hit you, it was over.
27:21It was over.
27:22I mean, I'm talking, I had, I had two, I sat right here at the board.
27:27It said Buster.
27:29They weighed a quarter pound a piece.
27:31That's a lot of to have on your hands.
27:34And then I had one over here, a skull with spikes sticking out.
27:39And I forget what this I had here.
27:41And, yeah, if I was going out just to beat somebody up good, that's what I wore.
27:47Oh.
27:48So she remembers.
27:49She remembers that.
27:50Yeah, she said she was about five years old, and you used to let her play with the rings,
27:56and she put her fingers in them.
27:58I remember.
27:59But she never really knew what was happening.
28:01No.
28:02No.
28:03No.
28:04But I'm glad she didn't, you know.
28:18I was at a bar, and this one dude, I knew him.
28:24You know, we've never seen eye to eye.
28:27And every time he was around me, I always wanted to talk bad, you know, and this and
28:33that.
28:34He said something, I forget what it was he said to me that night.
28:38And I said, man, I'll just cut your head off, dude.
28:42And he said, man, you ain't gonna cut your off.
28:45I said, all right.
28:47And I sat there, and he kept running.
28:49I said, man, let's go outside.
28:51I went outside and opened my truck and grabbed that machete.
28:54And just as I turned around, he went, he was going to swing, and I spun that machete.
28:58And I cut his arm off, dead off.
29:01And he didn't have nothing to say after that.
29:08What's it feel like to chop a guy's arm off?
29:11I didn't feel no different than beating him up.
29:14I told him I'd cut his head off.
29:16He's lucky I didn't get his head.
29:18I was feeling anxious today.
29:29I don't really know what he's going to say or what I'm going to learn today.
29:33I want to hear what he has to say and the truth that he holds within himself.
29:39These guys, this club, this motorcycle club, a couple of them come to me.
29:47They want me to take them out.
29:49So I decided, no, I'm not going to do it.
29:51About a week or two later, this dude come to me and tell me, hey, you don't take care of this bus because you know too much about our .
30:02that you're going to go down, man.
30:06You need to watch your family.
30:08I said, don't worry about it.
30:10I'm going to take care of it, man.
30:12I said, ain't nobody need to worry about their family, you know.
30:15And so I told him, I said, okay, I'll do it.
30:20I didn't think that the gang was real.
30:26I didn't think that, you know, that they did things like that, I guess.
30:32I mean, it seemed like he made a business out of it, being a hitman or something.
30:37I mean, he didn't want to do it.
30:42So maybe he was trying to get away from all that, but he felt like he didn't have a choice this time.
30:51When I've spoken to Katie on the phone, she has a memory of you wearing these rings.
30:58Oh, if I hit you, it was over.
31:01It was over.
31:03And I had one over here, a skull with spikes sticking out.
31:08And I forget what I had here.
31:11Yeah, if I was going out just to beat somebody up good, that's what I wore.
31:19What's going on in your mind?
31:22I don't know, it just makes me sad to hear him talk about stuff.
31:29He just had...
31:32I mean, he didn't really hide what he did.
31:35We just didn't really know exactly what he was doing.
31:41We thought he just had cool stuff, I guess.
31:55How do you feel about what you've learned?
31:58I mean, it shed a light on a lot of things.
32:03It gave me an insight to, you know, a person that he can be.
32:09But I feel like he was doing maybe more things too.
32:15It would be nice to finally find out the truth.
32:19All right, go ahead and push the space bar.
32:21I was at the bar.
32:22There's one dude.
32:23He said something.
32:24And I said, man, I'll just cut your head off, dude.
32:27I went outside and opened my truck.
32:28I grabbed that machete.
32:29And just as I turned around, he went, he was going to swing.
32:30And I swung that machete.
32:31And I cut his arm off.
32:32Dead off.
32:33And I told him I'd cut his head off.
32:34He's lucky I didn't get his head.
32:35And I told him I'd cut his head off.
32:36He's lucky I didn't get his head.
32:37And I told him I'd cut his head off.
32:38He's lucky I didn't get his head.
32:39I told him I'd cut his head off.
32:40He's lucky I didn't get his head.
33:07He was lucky.
33:08Wow.
33:09Thoughts?
33:10I mean, it's shocking to hear.
33:13More than anything, I'm just shocked that that's what he was doing in his free time,
33:31I guess.
33:32I mean, I don't know why that stuff doesn't affect him.
33:36Like, if he could have did it
33:39and then was around all those kids the next day
33:42being our papal, I don't know.
33:48Are you surprised that he's capable
33:49of doing something like that?
33:51Yeah.
33:52I would have never guessed it, any of this so far.
34:02One night I took off work, man.
34:14And I go to the bar
34:15and he's in there with two of his buddies
34:18and right away they start running their mouth, man.
34:22I grab his arm.
34:23He didn't even do nothing.
34:24I grabbed his arm and I smack him.
34:28He fell down.
34:28And I get over in my head
34:33about three or four more times.
34:35But, yeah, he died the next morning.
34:41Did you ever think about that man again
34:44or his family or have any remorse?
34:45You know, yeah, I did
34:48because he had two little girls.
34:52That's probably one of the only ones
34:54I really felt bad about.
34:56You know.
34:58It sounded like he had some anger issues
35:05or something.
35:08He didn't know how to take the high road.
35:12I don't think he would have had any remorse
35:13if he didn't see his kid, so...
35:17He saw the consequences of that one, I think.
35:21I wouldn't even have ever had a thought
35:22in my brain about it.
35:24There was a different side to him
35:27than we all knew.
35:28How would you describe your relationship
35:50with your family today?
35:54Not good.
35:56You know, uh...
35:57And that bothers me bad.
35:59I never...
36:00You know, I never thought my family would do that.
36:03Because I took care of my family,
36:05my whole family.
36:07Katie, she's been the only one
36:08coming and seeing me.
36:09Why is it so hard for you to talk about Katie?
36:19Uh...
36:20Because I care for her.
36:28You know, uh...
36:30Like I said, she's, uh...
36:32She's been right there for me, man.
36:35You know, as soon as she had her baby,
36:36she was here, you know.
36:39Uh...
36:40Like she said, you know,
36:42she'll do what she can
36:43to make sure, you know,
36:44he's in my life, you know.
36:47Uh...
36:48And I believe her, you know.
36:51And she's the only one
36:52I got tattooed on me.
36:59I did that when she was born, you know.
37:03Yeah, she used to break my heart, man.
37:05Every time she'd see me,
37:15she'd, uh...
37:17come running up to me
37:18and tell me how she loved me.
37:27What's going on in your mind?
37:30It's still hard to see him
37:31in prison, like...
37:34especially now.
37:35How he is the way he is
37:36with oxygen and stuff.
37:39It's just hard to see him
37:40deteriorate, I guess.
37:44And I miss
37:45being around him,
37:47being able to talk to him.
37:48Do you owe your family,
37:59especially your wife and Katie,
38:02an apology?
38:03Well, I am sorry, you know,
38:07that I couldn't be there.
38:10You know, my whole family.
38:15Uh...
38:16You know, I just...
38:18I was family, man.
38:20I really was.
38:21You know, uh...
38:23Like I said, I just, uh...
38:26I got sidetracked there
38:28after I left my wife, you know.
38:31And I loved the out of Katie.
38:33And, you know, uh...
38:36All of them.
38:39I was like a Jekyll and Hyde,
38:41I guess you could say.
38:43You know, I'm really...
38:45You know, once I got that call
38:48to do something,
38:48it was like I went into another...
38:52mind frame, you know.
38:54You know, ain't nobody
38:55wanna remember me
38:56for killing people or...
38:58You know, cut people's arms off
39:00or, you know,
39:02shooting this guy, that guy.
39:04Ain't nobody wanna...
39:05wanna remember somebody like me.
39:09Only thing if I could change
39:10anything right now
39:11would be...
39:12the way my family feels.
39:15You know, that's just one thing
39:17that would change right now.
39:20But I don't look like
39:22that's gonna happen.
39:29I know he sits and dwells
39:31on everything, and...
39:34I know it does affect him,
39:35but he also made
39:36those choices himself.
39:38He's a criminal.
39:39He's a, you know, murderer.
39:42Yeah, I think that was just
39:44his reality, I guess.
39:48I'm glad we didn't, you know,
39:50see that growing up, though.
39:53It would've made things
39:54a lot different.
39:59I can feel that he's sorry.
40:01I mean, he's a man of few words,
40:03so, you know,
40:04he can't spill his heart
40:06out on the table.
40:07He's...
40:08I don't think he's ever spilled
40:09his heart out on the table
40:10for anybody, but
40:11I do feel
40:13that he is sorry,
40:14and I do feel his remorse.
40:17I don't think anything
40:18would ever make me not love him.
40:19I had kind of, like, a feeling
40:34we were gonna get
40:35that kind of call
40:36or the call
40:36that he had passed away,
40:38and that was kind of a wreck
40:39for a little bit.
40:40He was glad to just be able
40:41to tell the truth to me,
40:43I guess.
40:44I feel better knowing
40:45that he's not...
40:46he's not suffering anymore.
40:47He's finally free.
40:48I feel...
40:50I feel better, you know?
40:53Did you feel like
40:54he kind of waited
40:55for this interview
40:56to tell you
40:57and your family
40:58his last thoughts
40:59before he passed away?
41:00It kind of worked out that way.
41:02You know, he was able to tell
41:03some of the secrets he had.
41:06Our relationship grew
41:07from that point, too,
41:08so I feel like he felt like
41:09it was a good time to go.
41:18She's always believed in God,
41:21but she's turned her back.
41:23Deep inside of me,
41:25I want to believe my mom
41:26so bad.
41:28I just started swinging
41:28in the night,
41:29and Jeremiah wakes up,
41:32and he starts screaming,
41:33Mom, what are you doing?
41:34Big time!
41:36Good.
41:38Good.
41:38Good.
41:40Good.
41:40Good.
41:41Good.
41:42Good.
41:43Good.
41:47Good.
41:48Good.
42:00Good.
42:01Good.
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