Crown Court - Incorrigible Rogue (1976) - video Dailymotion

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James William Kent is charged with assaulting two police officers. They say he punched and kicked them after they arrested him for trying the handles of parked vehicles.   George Tovey stars as the titular "rogue". He also appeared in, amongst other things, "The Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin" and the Doctor Who adventure "The Pyramids of Mars". Alan Rowe (Judge Quinlan) has also acted in many Who stories mentioned in other Crown Court uploads. Other Doctor Who alumni here include John Gregg (Patrick Livingston), who featured in "The Ark in Space" and Tony Osoba who appeared in "Destiny of the Daleks", but will be better known as the prisoner McLaren in the comedy "Porridge".

Transcript

00:00:00The End

00:00:27Are you James William Kent?

00:00:30Yes, sir.

00:00:31James William Kent, you stand indicted on two counts.

00:00:34On the first count, you are charged...

00:00:35James William Kent has been charged with assaulting two CID officers in the course of their duty.

00:00:40The police allege that Kent has been observed tampering with the door handles of several parked cars in Paxton Street.

00:00:46The two officers decided that he was loitering with intent to commit an arrestable offence

00:00:50and told him that they were arresting him as a suspected person.

00:00:54Kent resisted, and in the course of the struggle, one of the police officers was knocked to the ground

00:00:58and the other was kicked on the shin.

00:01:02James William Kent, how say you? Are you guilty or not guilty?

00:01:08Was the defendant hard of hearing?

00:01:10No, sir.

00:01:12Do you understand the charge?

00:01:13Yeah, I understand the charge right now, sir.

00:01:15Then perhaps you'll be good enough to enter a plea.

00:01:17Oh, I didn't do nothing, sir. Honest.

00:01:20Not guilty, then?

00:01:21That's right, sir. Not guilty.

00:01:23Very well, you may sit down.

00:01:25Mrs. Montgomery, before we sway our jury in, just tell me this, will you?

00:01:29The accused was arrested for an offence under the Vagrancy Act 1824, being a suspected person loitering with intent.

00:01:34Now, that can only be tried in a magistrate's court, can it not?

00:01:38Indeed, Your Honor.

00:01:39Well, has the charge already been taken care of?

00:01:41No, Your Honor.

00:01:42Since the accused elected to have this more serious offence tried by a jury, it was decided not to proceed with the charge under the Vagrancy Act,

00:01:50since the accused had no right to a trial by a jury under that act.

00:01:53Yes, well, that seems a fair and just cause to have adopted under the circumstances, Mrs. Montgomery.

00:01:58The accused is charged with assaulting police officers whilst they were attempting to effect a lawful arrest upon him.

00:02:05Now, members of the jury, the charge was being made under the Vagrancy Act of 1824,

00:02:12which permits the arrest of suspected persons who are loitering with intent to commit an arrestable offence.

00:02:19In this case, theft.

00:02:21Now, I'm sure you all know, as a general rule in a criminal case,

00:02:24the prosecution are not permitted to be the first to mention an accused's past bad record.

00:02:29But the Vagrancy Act provides one of the very rare exceptions.

00:02:32Now, what these two police officers knew about the accused

00:02:37was that he had been convicted as an incorrigible rogue.

00:02:43That is to say, in 1973, he was three times convicted

00:02:47of being a suspected person and loitering with intent.

00:02:50And having been three times convicted,

00:02:53he was sent to this court and convicted here as an incorrigible rogue.

00:02:59Therefore, on the night of the 22nd of January,

00:03:02Well, I don't see why not. We've done it before.

00:03:05You know what I call it, Albert.

00:03:07Albert.

00:03:08The dog will have delivered me, this one.

00:03:10Wait, say, but these have been done for sass when he's got to be informed.

00:03:14Well, he ain't got no chance, has he?

00:03:17I will now call the evidence for the prosecution.

00:03:20Detective Constable Forster.

00:03:24Detective Constable Forster.

00:03:26His word against two law, in and out like a dust of salt.

00:03:29Three months and no mission of birth.

00:03:31Well, carpet heads are bad in the winter, is it?

00:03:34I mean, eight weeks and you're out again, aren't you?

00:03:36With a pair of DPA boots and a letter to the Social Security.

00:03:42Officer Forster, were you on patrol duty in Paxton Street, Forchester,

00:03:46on the 22nd of January at six o'clock in the evening?

00:03:49Yes, ma'am, I was.

00:03:51You were accompanied by a fellow officer, I believe?

00:03:53Yes, ma'am, Dunlop.

00:03:54Now, were you patrolling on foot or in a police car?

00:03:57We parked our car around the corner and were patrolling on foot, ma'am.

00:04:00Why did you do that?

00:04:02We were on special duty, your honour.

00:04:03Special duty?

00:04:04Yes, your honour.

00:04:05A number of motorists have complained that their cars have been tampered with in Paxton Street

00:04:08and the DI had ordered us to keep a special watch.

00:04:11I see, yes.

00:04:13Did you see anything in Paxton Street?

00:04:16Yes, your honour.

00:04:16The accused.

00:04:17Oh, ma'am.

00:04:19And what was he doing?

00:04:20He was trying car door handles.

00:04:23Trying to open them, you mean?

00:04:24Yes, ma'am.

00:04:25Now, were these the door handles of one car or more than one?

00:04:29Several, ma'am.

00:04:30He leased five or six.

00:04:32He'd try the handles of one car, find them locked and then pass on to the next.

00:04:37Had you ever seen the accused before?

00:04:39Yes, ma'am.

00:04:39And did you know anything about him?

00:04:41I knew he was an incorrigible rogue, ma'am.

00:04:44You mean you knew he'd been convicted as an incorrigible rogue?

00:04:47Yes, your honour.

00:04:49And what action did you take?

00:04:51Once we were certain of what he was up to, we approached him and Constable Dunlop told him

00:04:56that he was arresting him as a suspected person loitering with intent to commit a theft, ma'am.

00:05:00So he was told precisely for what offence he was being arrested?

00:05:04Yes, ma'am.

00:05:05And what was his reaction?

00:05:08He struck out violently at me with his fist, ma'am.

00:05:12I was taken off guard.

00:05:14I lost my balance and fell to the ground.

00:05:17Are you saying that he hit you with his fist?

00:05:19Yes, ma'am.

00:05:22And did you sustain any injury?

00:05:23When I cracked my skull on the pavement, I was stunned for a few seconds.

00:05:28I grazed my cheeks slightly, but otherwise I was unhurt.

00:05:31It was nothing at all, really.

00:05:33That's a very generous view, officer.

00:05:35What happened after you were knocked to the ground?

00:05:38My colleague, Detective Constable Dunlop, tried to restrain the accused.

00:05:41The accused kicked out viciously and caught him on the shins.

00:05:45However, he managed to pinion the accused up against the railings,

00:05:48by which time I had regained sufficiently to render him assistance.

00:05:52We then took him to our patrol car and radioed for a police van.

00:05:56And reinforcements duly arrived and the accused was taken into custody?

00:05:59Yes, ma'am.

00:06:00And I think you were not present when he was charged?

00:06:02No, ma'am.

00:06:04Thank you, officer.

00:06:04Constable Forster, how long had you been keeping the accused under observation

00:06:09before you arrested him as a suspected person?

00:06:13Well, if you'd been tampering with the handles of five or six cars,

00:06:17that must have been quite some time.

00:06:18About eight minutes or so, sir.

00:06:21I see.

00:06:21Do you think that he noticed that you were watching him?

00:06:23No, sir.

00:06:25No, we were able to take cover behind parked cars.

00:06:29I see.

00:06:29You mean you sort of ducked out of sight every time he turned round?

00:06:32Yes, sir.

00:06:32But how were you able to see that he was trying the car door handles

00:06:35if you yourselves were so preoccupied with keeping out of sight?

00:06:39Well, he was trying them, sir.

00:06:42There's no doubt about that.

00:06:43Are you sure about that, constable?

00:06:45Yes, sir.

00:06:45Could it be that because you knew the defendant so well

00:06:47and knew that he had already been convicted as an incorrigible rogue,

00:06:51you simply took it for granted that he was trying car door handles

00:06:54because that is what you would have expected to see?

00:06:56No, sir.

00:06:57He was doing it all right.

00:06:59Well, what were the licence numbers of the cars?

00:07:01I didn't make a note of those, sir.

00:07:04Oh?

00:07:05Did you alert the fingerprint department about the matter?

00:07:08No, sir.

00:07:08It's not usual police procedure to make a fingerprint examination

00:07:12in a case where a person is loitering with intent to commit an arrestable offence.

00:07:16In case it slipped your mind, officer,

00:07:18I might point out that my client is standing in trial

00:07:20for an alleged assault on the police, not for being a suspected person.

00:07:23Yes, sir.

00:07:24And you do realise that because you failed to get the licence numbers of the cars,

00:07:27you allege my client was trying to enter

00:07:29and therefore cannot properly identify them,

00:07:32it's impossible to check with the owners

00:07:34your statement that the cars were actually there.

00:07:36Well, I...

00:07:37Or to test them for fingerprints.

00:07:38I did not think it was necessary, sir.

00:07:41Because your word should be enough.

00:07:42I did make a note of the make and colour of a couple of the cars, sir.

00:07:49There were two red Morris 1100 and a metallic Ford Escort.

00:07:54You failed to get the licence numbers,

00:07:56you failed to notify the fingerprint department,

00:07:58but you did notice the make and number of some of the cars.

00:08:02Dear me.

00:08:04Oh, well, let's come to the alleged assault itself, sir.

00:08:05Now, you say that my client knocked you to the ground

00:08:08with a violent blow delivered with a clenched fist.

00:08:12That's right, sir, yes.

00:08:13Yeah.

00:08:13How exactly?

00:08:15Sir?

00:08:15Oh, I'm sorry, officer, if I can be a little more explicit.

00:08:17With which fist did he hit you, the right or the left?

00:08:21Erm, well, I don't recall that, sir.

00:08:23Ah, well, perhaps I can help you.

00:08:25From which direction did the blow travel?

00:08:27Where did it land on you?

00:08:29Erm, about... about there, sir.

00:08:32Yeah, now, would you say that a blow that landed at the point

00:08:34that you've indicated would almost certainly

00:08:37have been delivered with the right hand?

00:08:40Well, it could have been delivered with either hand, sir.

00:08:42Well, look, just to clear up any doubt,

00:08:44would you be kind enough to demonstrate a right hand punch?

00:08:47May I ask what point you're trying to make by this, Mr Fry?

00:08:49Your Honour, I'm simply trying to establish the direction

00:08:51in which a right hand blow would normally travel.

00:08:54Very well.

00:08:55Will you comply with Council's wishes?

00:08:57Just, er...

00:09:00Oh, thank you, officer.

00:09:02Thank you very much indeed.

00:09:03Now, I know nothing about boxing,

00:09:04but that looks to me like a pretty expert demonstration, sir.

00:09:07Well, I'm a member of the Fulchester Police Amateur Boxing Team, sir.

00:09:10Yes, of course you are.

00:09:12That's the police sports club crest on your blazer, isn't it?

00:09:15Yes, it is, sir.

00:09:16Well, as your Honour would have noticed from that expert demonstration,

00:09:19would you hear us again, please?

00:09:23Hold it there.

00:09:24A right hand blow would normally tend to veer towards the left,

00:09:27and conversely, a left hand blow would normally tend to veer towards the right.

00:09:30Thank you, officer.

00:09:32Now, you have indicated that my client hit you on the upper left-hand side of the chest,

00:09:37just below the shoulder.

00:09:38Is that right?

00:09:39Yes, sir.

00:09:39You're quite sure about that?

00:09:40Yes, sir.

00:09:41Well, even if you weren't sure at the time,

00:09:43you would now agree, as you yourself have expertly demonstrated,

00:09:46that a blower that landed at the point that you have indicated

00:09:48would almost certainly have been delivered with the left hand.

00:09:51Well, yes, it may well have been so, yes.

00:09:57Well, left hand or right,

00:09:58you did say that my client knocked you to the ground

00:10:00with a violent blow delivered with a clenched fist.

00:10:03Yes, sir.

00:10:04Yes.

00:10:05At this point, Your Honour,

00:10:07I should like to draw your attention to a medical report on my client

00:10:10from the Fulchester prison doctor.

00:10:12It's an agreed report made a week after my client's arrest.

00:10:15That is on the 29th of January.

00:10:16Yes, I have that here, Mr. Fry.

00:10:18Your Honour will notice that in the second paragraph,

00:10:20the doctor states that my client suffers from acute arthritic inflammation

00:10:24of the metacarpal joints of both his right and left hands.

00:10:29In layman's terms, the knuckles,

00:10:31and that he's barely able to close his hands.

00:10:34Yes, it does say that.

00:10:35Councillor Wilfosser,

00:10:36are you seriously expecting this court to believe

00:10:38that a man who was so severely afflicted by arthritis

00:10:41that he could barely close his fingers, let alone make a fist,

00:10:44knocked you, a member of the police boxing club,

00:10:46so hard that you fell to the ground?

00:10:50Well, it might have been more of a push, sir.

00:10:53More of a push, eh?

00:10:58Do you wish to re-examine this witness?

00:10:59Yes, Your Honour.

00:11:01On the 22nd of January,

00:11:03it would, of course, have been quite dark

00:11:04by six o'clock in the evening, wouldn't it?

00:11:06Yes, ma'am, it would.

00:11:07Now, is there any street lighting in Paxton Street?

00:11:09There are a few street lamps, ma'am,

00:11:11but it's not particularly well lit.

00:11:14I see.

00:11:15Well, could what happened when the defendant resisted arrest

00:11:18be described as something of a free-for-all?

00:11:22Yes, ma'am, it could.

00:11:23And amid all the flying arms and legs,

00:11:27did you and your colleague simply have your work cut out

00:11:29restraining the defendant?

00:11:31Yes, ma'am, we did.

00:11:32Very well, officer, you may leave the witness box.

00:11:36Your Honour, I wonder if I might have your permission

00:11:38to go to another court.

00:11:39What, in this building?

00:11:40Yes, it is, Your Honour.

00:11:41Well, as long as you're available, if we need you.

00:11:43Of course, Your Honour.

00:11:43You've been swearing Jim's life away, have you, son?

00:12:03Look, just leave it out, you two, okay?

00:12:07Of course he is.

00:12:10Mixing it for days when I ain't done nothing

00:12:12is what they train them brothers to do best.

00:12:14Yeah, from what I hear, they have special classes for it.

00:12:18And the teacher dishes our prizes

00:12:19to the cop of what can think up the most diabolical verbals.

00:12:24Lady C.O.D.

00:12:25Couldn't find out nothing about nothing

00:12:27if it wasn't for glasses

00:12:28and making up a load of old cobblers in the witness box.

00:12:32Now, listen, just shut your faces, right?

00:12:34Or else I'll nick the both of you for causing a disturbance.

00:12:38Don't we, Albert? I think we've upset.

00:12:39Oi!

00:12:42Some people does the nuts a bit sharpish

00:12:48when your front's up, don't they?

00:12:50Can't stand to hear the truth, what it is.

00:12:53We kept watch for approximately eight minutes,

00:12:55during which time he attempted to open

00:12:57the near-side doors of several cars.

00:13:00The last two were a Red Morris 1100

00:13:02and a metallic Ford Escort.

00:13:04We then approached and I said to him,

00:13:06we've been keeping observation on you

00:13:07and I'm arresting you as a suspected person

00:13:10loitering with intent to steal.

00:13:11Detective Constable Forster took hold of the accused's arm.

00:13:16I was just about to caution him

00:13:17when he struck out at Constable Forster

00:13:19and knocked him to the ground.

00:13:20I then made an effort to restrain him

00:13:22and he kicked me in the shins.

00:13:24He couldn't have been in the slightest doubt

00:13:25why he was being arrested.

00:13:27Oh, no, ma'am.

00:13:28He said,

00:13:28it's a fair cop, Governor.

00:13:30I hope they've got my same Peter

00:13:32warmed up down the nick.

00:13:33Just in case anyone has any doubt,

00:13:35would you tell the court what that means?

00:13:37I took it to mean that the accused

00:13:39admitted the offence for which he was being arrested

00:13:41and hoped that he would be allocated his same cell

00:13:43if he would be sent to prison again, Your Honour.

00:13:45Thank you, Officer.

00:13:47Officer, is the defendant known to you?

00:13:49Oh, yes, ma'am.

00:13:50Kent is only too well known to the Forchester Police.

00:13:53He has convictions for loitering with intent to steal?

00:13:55Yes, ma'am.

00:13:56In fact, he has sufficient convictions on this charge

00:13:59to have already been sentenced here

00:14:00as an incorrigible rogue.

00:14:03Yes, ma'am.

00:14:04From what you could see in Paxton Street,

00:14:05he was up to his old tricks again.

00:14:07Yes, ma'am, he was.

00:14:08I'm sorry to harp on this, Officer.

00:14:10I just want to make it absolutely clear

00:14:12that the two police officers

00:14:14did not simply take it for granted

00:14:16that Kent was trying those car door handles

00:14:18because that was what they expected to see.

00:14:23You've told us that you were only too well aware

00:14:25of the defendant's previous record

00:14:27and that he's frequently been convicted

00:14:29of being a suspected person.

00:14:30That is correct.

00:14:32Do you happen to know

00:14:33how many convictions he has altogether?

00:14:35Well, I don't know exactly, sir.

00:14:37But he was known to you as a typical old lag.

00:14:39Oh, yes, sir.

00:14:40He's been in and out of prison

00:14:42for the whole of his adult life, sir.

00:14:43And I believe he was sent to remand home as a child

00:14:46and later to a brew school in Borsal, sir.

00:14:47You seem to have made quite a study

00:14:49of my client's previous record.

00:14:51When did you read it?

00:14:52Well, I haven't actually read it, sir.

00:14:54So you mean you've simply passed your eye over it?

00:14:57Well, no, sir.

00:14:57Well, what do I mean to say?

00:14:59Well, what do you mean to say, Officer?

00:15:01Would you kind of tell the court

00:15:02how it is that you have such extensive knowledge

00:15:04of my client's previous record

00:15:05when you've never even clapped eyes on it?

00:15:07Kent's record is common knowledge

00:15:08at Fultchester Police Station, sir.

00:15:10Everyone knows about it.

00:15:11Oh, I see.

00:15:12I suppose you have little chats

00:15:14about such old and valued customers as Mr. Kent

00:15:16over your cups of tea in the canteen

00:15:18and when you're on patrol.

00:15:19No, sir, but several officers at the station

00:15:21have mentioned it to me, sir.

00:15:23What are their names?

00:15:25Detective Constable Forster has told me about it

00:15:27and so has the DI, sir.

00:15:28When you say the DI,

00:15:29do you mean the detective inspector

00:15:30of the Fultchester CID?

00:15:32Yes, sir.

00:15:32And when did he tell you

00:15:33about my client's previous record?

00:15:35I was on patrol duty with another officer

00:15:38and the DI some two weeks earlier, sir.

00:15:40We saw the accused in the high street

00:15:42and the DI mentioned

00:15:43that he had one of the longest criminal records

00:15:45of the villains on our patch, sir.

00:15:47He said that Kent might be able to help us

00:15:48in our inquiries

00:15:49if his release from prison

00:15:50coincided with an outbreak

00:15:51of petty larceny in the district, sir.

00:15:54Thefts from parked cars, for instance.

00:15:56You could say so, sir.

00:15:58Tell me, officer,

00:15:58how long have you been a member of the CID?

00:16:01Just two and a half years now, sir.

00:16:03Just two and a half years.

00:16:05Well, I don't want to belittle your competence

00:16:07in carrying out your duties as a police officer,

00:16:09but would you say that you are still

00:16:10cutting your teeth?

00:16:11A CID officer learns fast, sir.

00:16:14He has to.

00:16:15How well are you acquainted

00:16:16with the Vagrancy Act of 1824?

00:16:18I know it very well, sir.

00:16:19I'm sure you do.

00:16:20It's known in common parlance as sus, isn't it?

00:16:22Yes.

00:16:23Will you agree that it is one of the most

00:16:24difficult accusations

00:16:26for a known offender to disprove

00:16:28and one of the easiest

00:16:29by which the police can gain a conviction?

00:16:30I wouldn't know, sir.

00:16:31Oh, calm now, officer.

00:16:32The formula for a successful prosecution

00:16:34of a known offender

00:16:35under the Vagrancy Act

00:16:36has been well established

00:16:37for over a hundred years.

00:16:38All that is needed

00:16:40is for two police officers to say

00:16:42that they saw a man

00:16:44with a record as bad as that

00:16:45of my client loitering

00:16:46on a street corner

00:16:47and that they had reason to believe,

00:16:49only that they had reason to believe,

00:16:51that he intended

00:16:52to commit an offence.

00:16:53And there you are,

00:16:55a three-month sentence

00:16:55on conviction

00:16:56at a magistrate's court.

00:16:57No further evidence is needed.

00:17:00Is that right?

00:17:02The defendant in such cases

00:17:04is usually convicted, yes.

00:17:05Yes.

00:17:06And because of that,

00:17:07is it not also true

00:17:08that the arresting

00:17:08of known offenders on suspicion

00:17:10is precisely what

00:17:11young CID officers

00:17:12cut their teeth on

00:17:13in order to gain

00:17:14some experience of the courts

00:17:15and also to notch up

00:17:17a few convictions

00:17:17at the same time?

00:17:18Junior officers can sometimes

00:17:20be asked to keep a close eye

00:17:21on parked cars

00:17:22in areas where there have been

00:17:23reports of thefts from vehicles.

00:17:25And if a known offender

00:17:26is seen loitering

00:17:27in such an area,

00:17:28it must be assumed

00:17:28that he's up to no good, sir.

00:17:30Is that what you did, officer?

00:17:32Assume that my client

00:17:33was up to no good?

00:17:34No, sir.

00:17:35I did not mean that.

00:17:36We saw him trying the doors.

00:17:39There's just one question

00:17:40I want to ask you

00:17:41about my client's

00:17:41previous record.

00:17:43Has he ever been convicted

00:17:45of a violent crime?

00:17:47Not to my knowledge, sir.

00:17:48Has he ever,

00:17:48to your knowledge,

00:17:49resisted arrest

00:17:50or assaulted the police

00:17:51or been remotely connected

00:17:52with anything of that sort?

00:17:53No, sir.

00:17:54But there is a first time

00:17:55for everything.

00:17:55And on this occasion,

00:17:56he did put up a struggle, sir.

00:17:59He put up a struggle, did he?

00:18:01That must have come

00:18:02as quite a shock

00:18:02to you and Detective

00:18:03Constable Forster.

00:18:04It did a bit, sir.

00:18:07Now then,

00:18:07when did he deny the charge?

00:18:09Was it in Paxton Street

00:18:10or when you got him

00:18:11back to the police station?

00:18:12In Paxton Street,

00:18:13he said it was a fair cop.

00:18:15But he changed his mind

00:18:16shortly after we arrived

00:18:17at the station, sir.

00:18:18When you got him

00:18:18back to the police station,

00:18:19you formally charged him

00:18:20under the Vagrancy Act?

00:18:22Yes, sir.

00:18:23He made no reply, then.

00:18:24You didn't charge him

00:18:25with assault

00:18:26until some two hours later,

00:18:28did you?

00:18:28No, sir.

00:18:29And in the meantime,

00:18:30he received a visit?

00:18:31Yes, sir.

00:18:31A man visited him in the cells.

00:18:33That was Mr. Patrick Livingston,

00:18:34the superintendent

00:18:35of St. Matthew's

00:18:36Hostel for Ex-Prisoners.

00:18:37Yes, sir.

00:18:38That was the man's name.

00:18:38Is this Mr. Livingston

00:18:39going to give evidence?

00:18:40He is, Your Honour.

00:18:42And how was it

00:18:43that Mr. Livingston

00:18:43came to be

00:18:44at the police station?

00:18:46The defendant asked

00:18:46if he could telephone him.

00:18:48I see.

00:18:48So, Mr. Livingston,

00:18:49had I talked to the defendant

00:18:50in the cells

00:18:51and as a result,

00:18:52the defendant told you

00:18:53that he'd not been

00:18:55doing anything wrong

00:18:55in Paxson Street

00:18:56and that he was not

00:18:57going to plead guilty

00:18:58on this occasion.

00:18:59Is that right?

00:19:00Yes, sir.

00:19:01You then charged him

00:19:03with assaulting the police?

00:19:04That is correct.

00:19:05But you did not

00:19:05bring this charge until then?

00:19:07No, sir.

00:19:08Well, isn't that odd?

00:19:08I mean, if, as you allege,

00:19:09he had kicked one of you

00:19:11in the shins

00:19:11and knocked the other

00:19:12one to the ground,

00:19:13why didn't you bring

00:19:13this charge in the first place?

00:19:15Well, he thought it advisable

00:19:16to discuss the matter

00:19:17with the DI

00:19:18before bringing the charge, sir.

00:19:20When did this

00:19:21little conversation

00:19:22take place?

00:19:23When, sir?

00:19:23Yes, officer, when?

00:19:24At what time?

00:19:26I did not make a note

00:19:27of the exact time, sir.

00:19:28Never mind about

00:19:29the exact time.

00:19:29All I want you to tell

00:19:30this court is

00:19:31whether this little conversation

00:19:32took place

00:19:33before the defendant

00:19:34pleaded not guilty

00:19:35to being a suspected person

00:19:37or after.

00:19:38I don't quite recall, sir.

00:19:40Was it before or after?

00:19:43It was, uh,

00:19:45after, sir.

00:19:45Thank you, officer.

00:19:47And yet you still expect

00:19:48this court to believe

00:19:49that this sudden decision

00:19:51to bring the much more

00:19:52serious charge of assault

00:19:54was in no way influenced

00:19:55by the defendant's sudden

00:19:56and completely unexpected

00:19:58refusal to plead guilty

00:19:59on the first charge.

00:20:00He assaulted us

00:20:01and was charged with it, sir.

00:20:03That's all I can say.

00:20:05Let me put it to you

00:20:06another way, officer.

00:20:08If the defendant

00:20:09had simply accepted his fate

00:20:11in his usual philosophical way

00:20:13and agreed to plead guilty

00:20:16to the first charge,

00:20:17would you then

00:20:18have charged him

00:20:19with assault?

00:20:20Yes, sir.

00:20:21You're not going to keep

00:20:28us hanging about here

00:20:29all day.

00:20:33All my life,

00:20:34what I'm doing here,

00:20:35I don't know.

00:20:36Oh, I don't do you a nap, Tom.

00:20:38I'm going to be out of you

00:20:39by opening time.

00:20:40Yeah, and I'm going to have

00:20:41a few pints tonight,

00:20:42two and all.

00:20:42Well, now, sunshine,

00:20:44put your verbals in

00:20:45all right, have you?

00:20:46Bigger liar than Tom Pepper

00:20:47and he's hot.

00:20:49Here, play your cards right

00:20:51and you'll end up

00:20:51the first spade

00:20:52chief commissioner.

00:20:59It's here, isn't it?

00:21:00Hope you'll be around

00:21:01to put a word in for me.

00:21:04You are James William Kent

00:21:06and you reside

00:21:07at 22 North End Road,

00:21:08Fulchester,

00:21:09also known as

00:21:10St. Matthew's House.

00:21:12Fixed a boat, you see.

00:21:14Yes, Mr. Kent?

00:21:15Oh, I don't never have

00:21:17a fix to boat, sir.

00:21:19See, you get dumped

00:21:20with suss all the time

00:21:21if you don't live nowhere.

00:21:23Oh, no, run by

00:21:24Mr. Livingston.

00:21:26Oh, he's a good bloke he is.

00:21:28Livingston, you know what I mean?

00:21:29It's one of your own.

00:21:29You know what I mean, sir?

00:21:30Well, just answer the question,

00:21:31please, Mr. Kent.

00:21:32Is that your name and address?

00:21:34Yeah, that's my name

00:21:35and address right enough.

00:21:37He said he'd be at the date

00:21:38and put a word in for me.

00:21:39You know what I mean, sir?

00:21:40What is your present

00:21:41employment, Mr. Kent?

00:21:43Oh, well,

00:21:44I used to do navvying,

00:21:46you know, but

00:21:46I mean, that's the only job

00:21:48you can get

00:21:49if you've been in

00:21:50the nick as long as I have.

00:21:53You know, well,

00:21:53I can't do any hard graft anymore.

00:21:56You know,

00:21:56I call it me hands,

00:21:57so I've got arthritis,

00:21:59haven't I?

00:22:00So I'll make the tea now

00:22:01and do odd jobs.

00:22:03I mean, I've been doing that

00:22:04since I got dumped

00:22:05to suss last time

00:22:06when I wasn't even

00:22:07doing anything.

00:22:08Your employers are

00:22:09Gilbert Bradford

00:22:10and Sons of the Building

00:22:11contractors, is that right?

00:22:12Yeah.

00:22:13You're a good bloke,

00:22:14old Mr. Bradford.

00:22:15See,

00:22:15ain't many people

00:22:16want to give you a start

00:22:17when you've got cons,

00:22:18know what I mean, sir?

00:22:20Mr. Liverson

00:22:21chatted the Governor

00:22:21into giving me a start.

00:22:23I've been there

00:22:24since I got out

00:22:26last time.

00:22:27Yes,

00:22:27how long is it

00:22:28since you came out

00:22:28of prison?

00:22:30Oh,

00:22:31a couple of weeks,

00:22:32and it's a...

00:22:32More like two months,

00:22:34surely?

00:22:35As long as all that.

00:22:36God.

00:22:38You know,

00:22:39I ain't got much idea

00:22:41about time,

00:22:42you know,

00:22:42like,

00:22:43I mean,

00:22:43when you first go

00:22:44in the nick

00:22:45and you're doing

00:22:46the lagging,

00:22:47your bird seems

00:22:48to drag, sir.

00:22:49But,

00:22:50after you've been

00:22:51in for a while,

00:22:51you know,

00:22:52and you've got a bit

00:22:52behind you,

00:22:53well,

00:22:53then it seems to go

00:22:54a bit more sharp,

00:22:55it's like,

00:22:56and,

00:22:56well,

00:22:57months don't seem

00:22:58no more than a week.

00:22:59Mr. Kent,

00:23:00would you please

00:23:00try and answer

00:23:01Council's questions

00:23:02as simply as possible?

00:23:03Yes,

00:23:04but,

00:23:04you see,

00:23:05I've never done nothing.

00:23:07Well,

00:23:08not this time.

00:23:10I mean,

00:23:10I'd have plead guilty

00:23:12if I had done,

00:23:13like always,

00:23:14Your Honour.

00:23:33The cases

00:23:41in Fulchester Crown Court

00:23:42are fictitious,

00:23:43but the jury

00:23:43is comprised

00:23:44of members

00:23:44of the general public.

00:23:46The Queen against Kent

00:23:47will be resumed tomorrow

00:23:48in the Crown Court.

00:23:49The Queen against Kent

00:24:19It's the second day

00:24:31of the trial

00:24:31of James William Kent,

00:24:33who's been charged

00:24:33with assaulting

00:24:34two CID officers

00:24:35in the course

00:24:36of their duty.

00:24:37Police officers

00:24:37have told the court

00:24:38that they saw Kent

00:24:39tampering with

00:24:40the door handles

00:24:41of several cars

00:24:41in Paxton Street,

00:24:42Fulchester,

00:24:43and that when they told him

00:24:44that they were arresting him

00:24:45as a suspected person,

00:24:46he punched one of the officers

00:24:48and kicked the other

00:24:49in the shins.

00:24:50In cases arising

00:24:51from the Vagrancy Act

00:24:52of 1824,

00:24:53it's permissible

00:24:54for the prosecution

00:24:54to draw the jury's attention

00:24:56to the previous convictions

00:24:57of the accused.

00:24:59Kent has been in

00:24:59and out of prison

00:25:00for the whole

00:25:00of his adult life,

00:25:02and the police

00:25:02have given evidence

00:25:03that they knew

00:25:03that he was a persistent

00:25:04offender,

00:25:05and that in 1973,

00:25:07he'd been convicted

00:25:07of being an incorrigible rogue.

00:25:10How many times have you been

00:25:13sent to prison altogether,

00:25:15Mr. Kent?

00:25:16Oh, I don't know exactly.

00:25:18You see,

00:25:19I first got done

00:25:20when I was a kid.

00:25:21I've been in the night

00:25:22ever since,

00:25:23I suppose.

00:25:24You've got it

00:25:25written down there

00:25:25on a piece of paper

00:25:26in front of you,

00:25:26nature, sir.

00:25:27Yes,

00:25:27but I'd like to hear

00:25:28it from you.

00:25:29Oh,

00:25:31I don't know,

00:25:31see,

00:25:32it goes back

00:25:32a bit too far.

00:25:34See,

00:25:34I don't recall

00:25:35things so good

00:25:36nowadays.

00:25:37You know what I mean?

00:25:39I've done too much

00:25:40porridge,

00:25:41I suppose.

00:25:42But I do remember

00:25:43some things.

00:25:44Well,

00:25:44perhaps you could tell us

00:25:45about the ones

00:25:45you remember,

00:25:46Mr. Kent.

00:25:48Well,

00:25:49Mr. Kent?

00:25:51Oh,

00:25:51don't call me

00:25:52Mr. Kent,

00:25:53sir.

00:25:54I beg your pardon?

00:25:54Well,

00:25:55nobody calls me

00:25:56Mr. Kent.

00:25:57The only time

00:25:57I got called

00:25:58Mr. Kent

00:25:59was in court

00:26:00just before

00:26:00they sent me away

00:26:01to eat a load

00:26:02of porridge.

00:26:02They ain't even

00:26:03grown yet.

00:26:04I do hope

00:26:04we're going to

00:26:04make a little

00:26:05progress before

00:26:05too long,

00:26:06Mr. Fryer.

00:26:07If it would

00:26:07save time,

00:26:08Your Honour,

00:26:08could I read out

00:26:09the antecedents

00:26:09which have been

00:26:10prepared?

00:26:11Well,

00:26:11it certainly

00:26:11would save time.

00:26:12I have no

00:26:13objections,

00:26:13Your Honour.

00:26:16Well,

00:26:16Mr. Kent,

00:26:16you have a very

00:26:17long criminal record

00:26:18that reaches back

00:26:19into your childhood.

00:26:20You've no less

00:26:20than 22 convictions

00:26:21and you've spent

00:26:23some 30 years

00:26:24of your life

00:26:24in prison

00:26:24for a variety

00:26:25of crimes,

00:26:25ranging from

00:26:26housebreaking

00:26:27to drunk

00:26:28and disorderly.

00:26:29Is that right,

00:26:30Mr. Kent?

00:26:30Yeah,

00:26:31right,

00:26:31sir.

00:26:32I'll pass over

00:26:33the earlier convictions

00:26:34and deal with

00:26:34only the last

00:26:35half dozen or so.

00:26:37They read as follows.

00:26:38City of London,

00:26:39Sessions,

00:26:3926th of May,

00:26:401951,

00:26:41three years

00:26:42for larceny.

00:26:43Fullchester Crown Court,

00:26:4413th of October,

00:26:451953,

00:26:46four years

00:26:46for larceny.

00:26:47Fullchester Magistrates Court,

00:26:49the 1st of November,

00:26:491957,

00:26:50three months

00:26:51for being a suspected person.

00:26:53The same offence

00:26:53the following year.

00:26:55In 1960,

00:26:5610 years

00:26:57for stealing five pounds

00:26:58from a public house.

00:26:59Since then,

00:27:00there have been

00:27:00two other three-month sentences

00:27:01for being a suspected person.

00:27:03In 1973,

00:27:05you were deemed

00:27:06an incorrigible rogue

00:27:07and sentenced

00:27:07to 12 months imprisonment

00:27:08and you were released

00:27:09from Fullchester Prison

00:27:10on completion

00:27:11of a six-month sentence

00:27:12for being drunk

00:27:13and disorderly

00:27:13in November of last year.

00:27:16Is all that correct?

00:27:17Well,

00:27:17the thing is,

00:27:18you see,

00:27:19I have been putting

00:27:20things down

00:27:21about me

00:27:21all my life,

00:27:22I suppose.

00:27:23If you've got it

00:27:24written down,

00:27:25you must be right.

00:27:26But are the things

00:27:27that are written down

00:27:28about you

00:27:28correct?

00:27:30Well,

00:27:30you see,

00:27:30the thing is,

00:27:31I only cut a knife

00:27:33on paper.

00:27:34You know what I mean,

00:27:34Your Honour?

00:27:35Only exist on paper,

00:27:36is that what you're saying?

00:27:37Yeah,

00:27:37well,

00:27:38I don't know,

00:27:38you know.

00:27:39What happens is,

00:27:40you see,

00:27:41they start putting

00:27:42things down

00:27:43about you

00:27:43when you're a kid.

00:27:44You know,

00:27:45like,

00:27:46when I was

00:27:46in the kids' home.

00:27:47You know,

00:27:48like,

00:27:48I never had

00:27:49no mum or dad.

00:27:51You know,

00:27:51I was just the result

00:27:52of a one-night stand

00:27:53and that's all I was.

00:27:55You know what I mean,

00:27:56Your Honour?

00:27:57You know,

00:27:57start putting

00:27:58things down

00:27:59about you

00:27:59from the minute

00:28:00you put in

00:28:01an appearance

00:28:02in the hospital.

00:28:03You know,

00:28:03I mean,

00:28:05they used to put

00:28:05bastard on your

00:28:06birth certificate

00:28:07in them days.

00:28:08You know,

00:28:09stamp it right across

00:28:10in big black letters.

00:28:12Didn't they,

00:28:12missus?

00:28:13You know,

00:28:13put it down

00:28:14from me off.

00:28:15Let me ask you again.

00:28:17Were you guilty

00:28:18of all the crimes

00:28:19of which you've

00:28:19been convicted

00:28:20and for which

00:28:21you have spent

00:28:2230 years of your

00:28:23life behind bars?

00:28:25Well,

00:28:25pleaded guilty,

00:28:26didn't I?

00:28:26But were you guilty?

00:28:28Your Honour,

00:28:28this line of questioning

00:28:29simply isn't open

00:28:30to my learned friend.

00:28:31Once a man

00:28:32has been convicted,

00:28:33whether the plea

00:28:33be guilty or not guilty,

00:28:35he cannot afterwards

00:28:36be heard to say

00:28:37that he was innocent.

00:28:38Yes,

00:28:38technically that is so,

00:28:39Mrs Montgomery,

00:28:40but I see no harm

00:28:40in the questions.

00:28:42Were you guilty

00:28:43of all those

00:28:43offences,

00:28:44Mr Kent?

00:28:45Well,

00:28:46what it is,

00:28:47I don't want to

00:28:48cause any trouble,

00:28:49you know,

00:28:50but when the law

00:28:51captured me

00:28:53and said they got

00:28:54me back to rights,

00:28:57you know,

00:28:57knocking off something

00:28:58and breaking in

00:28:59somewhere,

00:29:00even if I was only

00:29:01looking for somewhere

00:29:02to kip,

00:29:03you know,

00:29:03well,

00:29:04couldn't very well

00:29:05say I wasn't

00:29:05doing nothing,

00:29:06could I?

00:29:07So then the law

00:29:08says that they'd

00:29:09put a word in

00:29:10for me if I plead

00:29:11guilty.

00:29:12When it comes down

00:29:13to it,

00:29:13they don't put

00:29:14no word in

00:29:14for me,

00:29:15only bad things,

00:29:16and then I'll

00:29:17finish up

00:29:17making a nick

00:29:18again.

00:29:20Well,

00:29:21that's life,

00:29:21aren't it,

00:29:22Your Honour?

00:29:22Where do you

00:29:30reckon he's got

00:29:30to, then?

00:29:31Who?

00:29:33Harold Wilson,

00:29:33you're back.

00:29:35Oh,

00:29:36Pat,

00:29:36if it's too.

00:29:37He would go

00:29:38to Australia

00:29:39if he's got any

00:29:39sense.

00:29:40Look,

00:29:41he said he'd

00:29:41show up and

00:29:42put in the word

00:29:42for Jim,

00:29:43didn't he?

00:29:44We must be

00:29:45potty here

00:29:45coming to court

00:29:46of our own

00:29:46free will.

00:29:48This is the

00:29:48first time I've

00:29:49been here

00:29:49without handcuffs,

00:29:50mate,

00:29:50and if I get

00:29:51out,

00:29:51the first

00:29:52thing I'm

00:29:52going to do

00:29:53is get my

00:29:54head examined.

00:29:54If he said

00:29:55he'll show,

00:29:56he'll show.

00:29:58Unless he's

00:29:59got run over

00:29:59by a lorry.

00:30:01No matter

00:30:01how strong

00:30:02you are,

00:30:02matey,

00:30:03you can

00:30:03always get

00:30:03rubbed out.

00:30:06Mr. Kent,

00:30:06your record

00:30:07shows that

00:30:07this is the

00:30:08first time

00:30:08that you've

00:30:09been charged

00:30:09with a crime

00:30:10of violence.

00:30:10Is that

00:30:11right?

00:30:11Oh,

00:30:12I ain't got

00:30:13no type

00:30:13of violence,

00:30:14sir.

00:30:15You know,

00:30:16I've seen

00:30:16a lot of

00:30:16it in me

00:30:17time.

00:30:18Know what I

00:30:18mean?

00:30:19Giesers carving

00:30:20one another

00:30:20up in the

00:30:21nick and

00:30:21sticking it

00:30:22on the

00:30:22screws and

00:30:23the lure.

00:30:24No,

00:30:24that ain't

00:30:25my way,

00:30:25sir.

00:30:26You know

00:30:26what I

00:30:27mean?

00:30:27I mean,

00:30:28I'll keep

00:30:28myself to

00:30:29myself inside

00:30:30the nick

00:30:30and up.

00:30:31Are you

00:30:31saying that

00:30:31you've never

00:30:32struck anyone

00:30:32in your

00:30:33life?

00:30:33no,

00:30:35I mean,

00:30:37I just

00:30:37said,

00:30:37take my

00:30:38way.

00:30:39But you

00:30:39are charged

00:30:40with assaulting

00:30:41two police

00:30:41officers in

00:30:42the lawful

00:30:42execution of

00:30:43their duty.

00:30:44Not me,

00:30:45sir.

00:30:45I wouldn't

00:30:46assault nobody.

00:30:47Well,

00:30:48I couldn't,

00:30:48could I?

00:30:49I mean,

00:30:49not with

00:30:49me half

00:30:49a

00:30:50right.

00:30:50Yes.

00:30:51Now,

00:30:52since your

00:30:52release from

00:30:52prison in

00:30:53November,

00:30:53you've been

00:30:53staying at

00:30:54St. Matthew's

00:30:54Hostel for

00:30:55ex-prisoners,

00:30:56is that

00:30:56right?

00:30:57Yeah.

00:30:58Best place

00:30:58I've been

00:30:59there since I

00:31:00come out.

00:31:01Best place

00:31:01I've ever

00:31:02lived.

00:31:03Run by

00:31:03Mr.

00:31:04Liverston.

00:31:04Oh,

00:31:05smashing

00:31:05bloke he

00:31:06is.

00:31:06One of

00:31:06your own,

00:31:07know what

00:31:07I mean,

00:31:07sir?

00:31:08Yes.

00:31:08Now,

00:31:08how did

00:31:08you come

00:31:09to be

00:31:09living there?

00:31:10Well,

00:31:10see,

00:31:11Mr.

00:31:12Liverston

00:31:12come to

00:31:12see me

00:31:13when I

00:31:14was doing

00:31:14that

00:31:14arse

00:31:14that type

00:31:15of being

00:31:16slushed,

00:31:16know what

00:31:17I mean?

00:31:17And then

00:31:18he asked

00:31:18me if

00:31:19I'd like

00:31:19to go

00:31:20and stay

00:31:20there when

00:31:21I got

00:31:21out.

00:31:22And

00:31:22you

00:31:22agreed?

00:31:23Oh,

00:31:24no,

00:31:24not right

00:31:25off.

00:31:28It's funny

00:31:29for me,

00:31:31you see,

00:31:32I thought

00:31:32he must

00:31:33be one

00:31:33of them

00:31:34social

00:31:34working

00:31:35people,

00:31:35you know,

00:31:36what comes

00:31:36to the

00:31:36prison and

00:31:37tells you

00:31:37what they're

00:31:38going to

00:31:38do for

00:31:39you and

00:31:39all that,

00:31:40you know,

00:31:40and then

00:31:41asked you

00:31:41if it

00:31:41ain't about

00:31:42time you

00:31:42pulled your

00:31:43socks up

00:31:43and all

00:31:44that old

00:31:44moody.

00:31:45You know

00:31:45what I

00:31:45mean?

00:31:46We're

00:31:46telling us

00:31:46about

00:31:47Mr.

00:31:47Livingston.

00:31:48Oh,

00:31:48yeah.

00:31:49Well,

00:31:49Mr.

00:31:50Liverston,

00:31:50he come

00:31:51to see me

00:31:51a few

00:31:52times.

00:31:53Always

00:31:53give me

00:31:53a smoke,

00:31:54Mr.

00:31:54Liverston.

00:31:55Them

00:31:55welfare

00:31:56working

00:31:56people,

00:31:57they don't

00:31:57never give

00:31:58you a

00:31:58smoke.

00:31:59I mean,

00:31:59they come

00:31:59in their

00:31:59cell

00:32:00sometimes

00:32:00smoking,

00:32:01but they

00:32:01never

00:32:01bung

00:32:01you

00:32:02one.

00:32:03Anyway,

00:32:04after a

00:32:05while,

00:32:05me and

00:32:06Mr.

00:32:06Livingston,

00:32:06we sits

00:32:07down and

00:32:07has a

00:32:08talk for

00:32:08about

00:32:09hour or

00:32:09so.

00:32:10Then,

00:32:10into death,

00:32:11I said

00:32:11I'd go

00:32:12and start

00:32:12St.

00:32:13Matthew's

00:32:13when I

00:32:13got out.

00:32:14You know

00:32:14what I

00:32:14mean,

00:32:15your

00:32:15honour?

00:32:15And how

00:32:16did you

00:32:16get on

00:32:16when you

00:32:17went to

00:32:17live at

00:32:17the

00:32:17hostel?

00:32:18Oh,

00:32:19like I

00:32:20said,

00:32:20best place

00:32:21I've ever

00:32:21lived in

00:32:22all my

00:32:22life.

00:32:23Do you

00:32:24know what?

00:32:24The morning

00:32:25that I

00:32:25got out,

00:32:27Mr.

00:32:27Livingston

00:32:27came to

00:32:28meet me

00:32:28and his

00:32:29motor.

00:32:30Yeah,

00:32:30made me

00:32:31cry,

00:32:31did?

00:32:32Do you

00:32:32know,

00:32:32he came

00:32:33right up

00:32:34to the

00:32:34gates,

00:32:35and he

00:32:35opened the

00:32:36doors so

00:32:36that I

00:32:37could get

00:32:37in.

00:32:38I mean,

00:32:38nobody's

00:32:39ever come

00:32:39to meet

00:32:40me when

00:32:40I've

00:32:40got out

00:32:40before.

00:32:42And he

00:32:42drove me

00:32:43back to

00:32:43the

00:32:43hostel.

00:32:44God,

00:32:45yeah,

00:32:45we had

00:32:46a smashing

00:32:46fry up

00:32:47for breakfast,

00:32:48yeah,

00:32:48rashes and

00:32:49eggs,

00:32:50you know,

00:32:51them blokes

00:32:51used to

00:32:52have in

00:32:52a condemned

00:32:53cell before

00:32:53they got

00:32:54talked.

00:32:54Could you

00:32:55confine

00:32:55yourself to

00:32:56answering the

00:32:57questions,

00:32:57Mr. Kent?

00:32:58Why,

00:32:58have I

00:32:59done something

00:32:59wrong,

00:33:00Your Honour?

00:33:00No,

00:33:01but just do

00:33:01as I say.

00:33:02Yes.

00:33:04Oh,

00:33:05what was

00:33:06the question,

00:33:06Your Honour?

00:33:08Mr. Fry?

00:33:10I think I

00:33:11was asking

00:33:12if you'd

00:33:12been offered

00:33:13the opportunity

00:33:13of a fresh

00:33:14start,

00:33:14an offer

00:33:14you'd never

00:33:15had before.

00:33:17No,

00:33:17that's just

00:33:18the way you

00:33:18could put it,

00:33:19sir.

00:33:19You see,

00:33:20when I've

00:33:21come out

00:33:21the nick

00:33:22other times,

00:33:23I've had

00:33:23nowhere to

00:33:24keep,

00:33:24you know,

00:33:25nowhere to

00:33:25live,

00:33:26nothing.

00:33:26And then

00:33:27all of a

00:33:27sudden,

00:33:28I've got

00:33:28a roof

00:33:29over me

00:33:29head.

00:33:30Well,

00:33:31must be a

00:33:31bit in front,

00:33:32mustn't I?

00:33:33Yes.

00:33:33Now,

00:33:33I'd like you

00:33:34to cast your

00:33:34mind back

00:33:35to the evening

00:33:35of the 22nd

00:33:37of January

00:33:37this year.

00:33:38When was

00:33:38that?

00:33:40That was the

00:33:40evening you

00:33:40were arrested.

00:33:41Oh,

00:33:44yeah,

00:33:44I've got

00:33:45it.

00:33:45Well,

00:33:45I mean,

00:33:46I ain't hardly

00:33:47likely to

00:33:48forget that

00:33:48in Harry,

00:33:48am I,

00:33:49sir?

00:33:49Yes,

00:33:50now,

00:33:50did you

00:33:50go to

00:33:50work on

00:33:51the

00:33:51building

00:33:51site that

00:33:51day?

00:33:52Oh,

00:33:52yeah.

00:33:53Always

00:33:53go to

00:33:53work when

00:33:54I've got

00:33:54a job,

00:33:55you know,

00:33:55I mean,

00:33:56get your

00:33:56cards if

00:33:57you have

00:33:57days out,

00:33:58especially

00:33:58if you've

00:33:58been in

00:33:59prison.

00:33:59So,

00:33:59you went

00:34:00to work

00:34:00that day.

00:34:01Now,

00:34:01is there

00:34:01a time

00:34:02clock on

00:34:02the

00:34:02building

00:34:03site?

00:34:03Yes,

00:34:04sir.

00:34:04You clock

00:34:05on half

00:34:05seven in

00:34:06the morning

00:34:06and you

00:34:07clock off

00:34:08half five

00:34:08at night.

00:34:09Yes,

00:34:09and what

00:34:09did you

00:34:10do then?

00:34:10Did you

00:34:10go back

00:34:10to the

00:34:11hostel?

00:34:12No,

00:34:12sir.

00:34:13Went to

00:34:14the pub

00:34:14with a

00:34:14couple of

00:34:15mates of

00:34:15mine.

00:34:16Which

00:34:16pub was

00:34:17this?

00:34:17The

00:34:18Crown,

00:34:18sir.

00:34:19You see,

00:34:20me,

00:34:20Tom and

00:34:20Elf,

00:34:21always gets

00:34:21in a

00:34:21couple of

00:34:22pints on

00:34:22our way

00:34:23home.

00:34:24That

00:34:24would be

00:34:24Tom

00:34:25Bernard

00:34:25and

00:34:25Albert

00:34:26Hicks.

00:34:26Yes,

00:34:27sir.

00:34:27Yes,

00:34:27and did

00:34:28you all

00:34:28live together

00:34:28after two

00:34:29or three

00:34:30pints?

00:34:30Well,

00:34:32no,

00:34:33not exactly,

00:34:34sir.

00:34:34You see,

00:34:35I had to

00:34:36leave before

00:34:37the others

00:34:37because I

00:34:38had to

00:34:39collect

00:34:39the

00:34:39sack of

00:34:40spuds,

00:34:40you see.

00:34:41Open up

00:34:41the sack

00:34:42of spuds,

00:34:42you know,

00:34:43even with

00:34:43me own

00:34:44bad hands,

00:34:45you know.

00:34:45I mean,

00:34:46only 28

00:34:46pounds,

00:34:47slings them

00:34:48over me

00:34:48shoulder

00:34:48from the

00:34:50green

00:34:50grocers

00:34:51in the

00:34:51high street,

00:34:52you know,

00:34:53for the

00:34:53lads'

00:34:53dinner back

00:34:54at the

00:34:54hostel.

00:34:55We'd

00:34:55take it

00:34:56in turns

00:34:56doing

00:34:56little odd

00:34:57jobs

00:34:57like that,

00:34:58saying I

00:34:59didn't like

00:34:59to let

00:35:00Mr Livingston

00:35:00down,

00:35:01if you

00:35:01get what

00:35:01I mean,

00:35:02sir.

00:35:02I understand.

00:35:03And your

00:35:04route to

00:35:05the green

00:35:05grocers

00:35:05needed to

00:35:06take you

00:35:06through

00:35:06Paxton

00:35:07Street?

00:35:07Well,

00:35:08couldn't

00:35:08have,

00:35:08could it,

00:35:08sir?

00:35:09Why not?

00:35:10Well,

00:35:10you see,

00:35:11Paxton

00:35:11Street's

00:35:12right the

00:35:12other side

00:35:13of

00:35:13Forchester,

00:35:14you know,

00:35:14a couple

00:35:15of streets

00:35:15from the

00:35:15labour

00:35:16exchange.

00:35:17Well,

00:35:17I mean,

00:35:17I'd never

00:35:18get over

00:35:18there unless

00:35:19I'd

00:35:19got to

00:35:19sign

00:35:19on.

00:35:21Mr

00:35:21Kent,

00:35:21are you

00:35:21saying

00:35:21that you

00:35:22were never

00:35:22even in

00:35:23Paxton

00:35:23Street that

00:35:24evening?

00:35:24I couldn't

00:35:25have been,

00:35:25could I,

00:35:25sir?

00:35:26I mean,

00:35:26otherwise I'd

00:35:27have been

00:35:27late in

00:35:27collecting the

00:35:28sack of

00:35:28spuds.

00:35:29I mean,

00:35:29the shop

00:35:29shuts at

00:35:30six.

00:35:31Yes.

00:35:32How do

00:35:32you account

00:35:33for the

00:35:33fact that

00:35:33two police

00:35:34officers have

00:35:35given evidence

00:35:35on oath that

00:35:36they saw

00:35:36you trying

00:35:37car door

00:35:38handles in

00:35:38Paxton

00:35:38Street at

00:35:39six o'clock?

00:35:41Oh,

00:35:41sir.

00:35:43I think,

00:35:45you know what,

00:35:45I think them

00:35:46officers made

00:35:47a mistake.

00:35:48I mean,

00:35:49I can't see

00:35:49anything else

00:35:50for it.

00:35:52Well,

00:35:52if you

00:35:53weren't in

00:35:53Paxton

00:35:53Street,

00:35:54where

00:35:54exactly

00:35:55were you

00:35:56when they

00:35:56arrested you?

00:35:58Well,

00:35:58I don't

00:35:59know exactly.

00:36:00See,

00:36:01what happens

00:36:01there,

00:36:01see,

00:36:02I came

00:36:03out of

00:36:03the pub

00:36:04and I

00:36:05walked

00:36:05along the

00:36:06street a

00:36:06bit and

00:36:07then I

00:36:08cut through

00:36:08the back

00:36:09doubles,

00:36:10know what

00:36:10I mean?

00:36:11Well,

00:36:12then,

00:36:13to get to

00:36:14the high

00:36:14street,

00:36:15see what

00:36:15I mean?

00:36:15Well,

00:36:16then,

00:36:17I go

00:36:17walking down

00:36:18one of

00:36:18these side

00:36:19turnings,

00:36:20minding my

00:36:20own business

00:36:21night,

00:36:22when all

00:36:22of a sudden,

00:36:24these two

00:36:24plainclothes

00:36:25chaps comes

00:36:26up to me

00:36:26and one

00:36:28of them

00:36:28said,

00:36:28hello,

00:36:29Jim,

00:36:29I've seen

00:36:30your trying

00:36:30car door

00:36:31handles,

00:36:32you're nicked.

00:36:33Then one

00:36:33of them

00:36:33grabs hold

00:36:34of me.

00:36:35And you're

00:36:35absolutely

00:36:35certain that

00:36:36this did

00:36:36not take

00:36:37place in

00:36:37Paxton

00:36:38Street?

00:36:38I wasn't

00:36:38anywhere

00:36:39near it,

00:36:39honest,

00:36:40I

00:36:40wouldn't.

00:36:41You know,

00:36:41then,

00:36:41as I

00:36:42said,

00:36:42one of

00:36:43them

00:36:43grabs hold

00:36:43of me

00:36:44and,

00:36:44you know,

00:36:45at night,

00:36:45I must

00:36:45have sort

00:36:46of give

00:36:47him a

00:36:47push,

00:36:48you know,

00:36:48because all

00:36:49of a sudden,

00:36:50he fell

00:36:50over.

00:36:51I didn't

00:36:52mean to hurt

00:36:53him and I

00:36:54helped him

00:36:54to get up.

00:36:55You helped

00:36:55him to his

00:36:56feet after he

00:36:56fell?

00:36:57That's right,

00:36:57sir.

00:36:58What about

00:36:58the officer?

00:36:59Did you kick

00:37:00him in the

00:37:00shins?

00:37:01Kick him in

00:37:02the shins?

00:37:03Of course

00:37:04not,

00:37:04sir.

00:37:05I

00:37:05wouldn't

00:37:05kick

00:37:06nobody

00:37:06in

00:37:06those

00:37:07shins.

00:37:08Now,

00:37:08Mr.

00:37:08Kent,

00:37:09is there

00:37:10anything else

00:37:10you remember

00:37:11about that

00:37:11incident?

00:37:14Oh,

00:37:14yeah,

00:37:15there is

00:37:15one thing

00:37:16I remember.

00:37:17What is

00:37:17it?

00:37:18Well,

00:37:18you see,

00:37:19there wasn't

00:37:19any cars

00:37:20parked in

00:37:21that street

00:37:22that they

00:37:22nicked me

00:37:22in,

00:37:23you see,

00:37:23because there

00:37:25was them

00:37:25double yellow

00:37:26lines down

00:37:27either side.

00:37:28Now,

00:37:28I remember

00:37:29that when

00:37:29I was on

00:37:30remand,

00:37:30you see,

00:37:31so I

00:37:32couldn't

00:37:32have been

00:37:32trying car

00:37:33door rounds

00:37:33if there

00:37:33wasn't

00:37:34any

00:37:34parked

00:37:34cars

00:37:35could

00:37:35I

00:37:35say.

00:37:49Tell me,

00:37:50Mr.

00:37:50Kent,

00:37:50do you

00:37:51have a

00:37:51grudge

00:37:51against

00:37:51society?

00:37:53Well,

00:37:53no,

00:37:54I don't

00:37:54reckon so.

00:37:56Well,

00:37:56not anymore

00:37:56anyway.

00:37:57You see,

00:37:58I think

00:37:59it's people's

00:37:59own fault

00:38:00if they

00:38:00treat people

00:38:01where they

00:38:02wouldn't

00:38:02fancy being

00:38:03treated

00:38:03themselves,

00:38:04you know.

00:38:05In any

00:38:05case,

00:38:06you know,

00:38:06I don't

00:38:07think it

00:38:07does any

00:38:08good

00:38:08holding

00:38:08things

00:38:09against

00:38:09people

00:38:09for the

00:38:10way

00:38:10they're

00:38:10made.

00:38:11Well,

00:38:11that seems

00:38:12to me

00:38:12a profoundly

00:38:12philosophical

00:38:13point of

00:38:14view.

00:38:14I don't

00:38:15think you're

00:38:15nearly as

00:38:16inarticulate

00:38:16as you'd

00:38:17have us

00:38:17believe.

00:38:18What's

00:38:18inarticulate,

00:38:20ma'am?

00:38:21You seem

00:38:21to be able

00:38:22to express

00:38:22yourself

00:38:23very well

00:38:23when you

00:38:24put your

00:38:24mind to

00:38:25it.

00:38:25Oh,

00:38:26yeah,

00:38:26well,

00:38:27I suppose

00:38:27you can say

00:38:28that I've

00:38:28been a bit

00:38:29better at

00:38:29rabbiting since

00:38:30I met

00:38:30Mr Livingston.

00:38:31Do you mean

00:38:31talking?

00:38:32Yes,

00:38:32sir.

00:38:33Then say

00:38:33talking.

00:38:35You see,

00:38:35talking.

00:38:37You see,

00:38:38before I met

00:38:38Mr Livingston,

00:38:39I couldn't

00:38:40hardly talk to

00:38:41anybody about

00:38:41nothing,

00:38:42you know.

00:38:43Well,

00:38:43I mean,

00:38:44when I first

00:38:45went in the

00:38:45nickname,

00:38:46the rule of

00:38:46silence,

00:38:47that didn't

00:38:47matter anyway,

00:38:48did it?

00:38:49This Mr Livingston

00:38:50seems to be a

00:38:50miracle worker.

00:38:52I'd like to

00:38:52hear more about

00:38:53him.

00:38:54Oh.

00:38:55Ain't nothing

00:38:55special about

00:38:56him,

00:38:57you know.

00:38:57He's just an

00:38:58ordinary sort

00:38:59of bloke.

00:39:00Come now,

00:39:01do you really

00:39:01expect the

00:39:02court to

00:39:02believe that

00:39:02a perfectly

00:39:03ordinary man

00:39:04has cast a

00:39:04spell over

00:39:05you,

00:39:06that has

00:39:06transformed

00:39:07you from

00:39:08being a

00:39:08persistent

00:39:08offender

00:39:09into a

00:39:10hard-working,

00:39:11honest and

00:39:11useful member

00:39:12of society?

00:39:13Oh,

00:39:14well,

00:39:14you said it,

00:39:15Mum,

00:39:15not me.

00:39:17But I'll

00:39:17tell you one

00:39:18thing,

00:39:19he's done

00:39:19more good for

00:39:20me without

00:39:21even half

00:39:22trying,

00:39:23and all

00:39:23them hundreds

00:39:23of social

00:39:24and welfare

00:39:25people done

00:39:26I've known

00:39:27in all my

00:39:27life who

00:39:28ain't even

00:39:28done no

00:39:29more than

00:39:30tell me to

00:39:30pull me

00:39:31socks up.

00:39:32Sometimes I

00:39:32ain't even got

00:39:33any socks to

00:39:34pull up

00:39:34anyway.

00:39:34Yeah,

00:39:37they had

00:39:37half

00:39:38given poor

00:39:38old Jim

00:39:39a right

00:39:39going

00:39:39over.

00:39:41You

00:39:41was to

00:39:41ask me,

00:39:42I don't

00:39:42reckon he's

00:39:42done himself

00:39:43no favour

00:39:43pleading not

00:39:44guilty.

00:39:45Plead guilty

00:39:46whether you

00:39:46don't do

00:39:46or not,

00:39:47that's my

00:39:47motto.

00:39:48I guess it's

00:39:49over sharp,

00:39:49you should know

00:39:50messing about.

00:39:50He ends

00:39:51up with more

00:39:51porridge if you

00:39:52plead not

00:39:52guilty,

00:39:53well-known

00:39:53fact that

00:39:54is.

00:39:55Don't

00:39:55get the

00:39:56needle at

00:39:56you for

00:39:56wasting his

00:39:57time and

00:39:58the taxpayer's

00:39:59bra.

00:39:59right pair

00:40:02of burks

00:40:03we are

00:40:03coming here

00:40:03of our own

00:40:04free will to

00:40:04put in a

00:40:05word for him.

00:40:07Probably finish

00:40:07up with half a

00:40:08stretch down

00:40:09the larking.

00:40:10Watch your

00:40:10government,

00:40:10I'll see you

00:40:11mate.

00:40:12Me and all.

00:40:13Sorry to be

00:40:14late.

00:40:15How's it

00:40:15going?

00:40:17Alright.

00:40:18Very well,

00:40:19Mr. Kentner,

00:40:19you say you

00:40:20were not anywhere

00:40:20near Paxton

00:40:21Street at the

00:40:22time that you

00:40:22were arrested.

00:40:23Is that

00:40:23right?

00:40:24Wasn't me

00:40:25in Paxton

00:40:25Street.

00:40:26Honest,

00:40:27it wasn't.

00:40:28You know,

00:40:28I beat them

00:40:29two officers

00:40:29made a mistake,

00:40:30like I said.

00:40:32But none of

00:40:32this was

00:40:32suggested by

00:40:33your counsel

00:40:34to the two

00:40:34police officers

00:40:35when they

00:40:36gave their

00:40:36evidence.

00:40:38Have you

00:40:38just invented

00:40:39it?

00:40:40I never

00:40:40did,

00:40:41Mum,

00:40:41did I?

00:40:41Well,

00:40:42if it

00:40:42wasn't

00:40:42Paxton

00:40:43Street,

00:40:43which

00:40:43street

00:40:44was it?

00:40:45Oh,

00:40:46I don't

00:40:46know what

00:40:46street it

00:40:47was.

00:40:48See,

00:40:48if it

00:40:49had them

00:40:49double yellow

00:40:50lines down

00:40:50either side,

00:40:52it didn't

00:40:52have no

00:40:53parked cars.

00:40:54But the

00:40:54street

00:40:55surrounding

00:40:55the Crown

00:40:55Public House

00:40:56where you

00:40:56and your

00:40:56friends have

00:40:57been drinking

00:40:57must be

00:40:58familiar to

00:40:58you.

00:40:59Yeah,

00:40:59but I

00:41:00don't know

00:41:00what they're

00:41:00called.

00:41:01Well,

00:41:01is it on

00:41:02your usual

00:41:02route from

00:41:03your place

00:41:03of work

00:41:03to the

00:41:04hostel

00:41:04and back

00:41:04again?

00:41:05Well,

00:41:06go through

00:41:06it sometimes,

00:41:07I think.

00:41:08Well,

00:41:08can you tell

00:41:09us the

00:41:09names of

00:41:10some of

00:41:10the other

00:41:10streets in

00:41:11that area?

00:41:12No,

00:41:13well,

00:41:13go through

00:41:15there sometimes,

00:41:16but I never

00:41:17see what

00:41:17they're called.

00:41:19Not one?

00:41:20No.

00:41:21But you

00:41:22do know the

00:41:22exact location

00:41:23of Paxton

00:41:24Street.

00:41:24Yeah,

00:41:25well,

00:41:25I mean,

00:41:26you have to

00:41:26go through

00:41:27it to get

00:41:27to the

00:41:27Labour

00:41:28Exchange,

00:41:28don't you?

00:41:29Indeed you do,

00:41:30Mr Kent,

00:41:30but there are

00:41:31other streets

00:41:31that you have

00:41:32to go through

00:41:33in order to

00:41:33get from the

00:41:34Crown to the

00:41:35High Street,

00:41:36from your

00:41:36place of work

00:41:37to the

00:41:37hostel and

00:41:38so on,

00:41:38but you

00:41:39are not able

00:41:39to tell us

00:41:40the name

00:41:40of a single

00:41:41one of them.

00:41:42How many

00:41:44drinks

00:41:44had you had

00:41:45at the Crown

00:41:46before you

00:41:46left to

00:41:47collect this

00:41:47sack of

00:41:47potatoes

00:41:48from the

00:41:48greengrocers?

00:41:50A couple.

00:41:51How many?

00:41:53Well,

00:41:54maybe a

00:41:54couple of

00:41:54pints of

00:41:55bitter,

00:41:56maybe three.

00:41:57Two or

00:41:57three pints

00:41:58of beer?

00:41:59Which was

00:41:59it?

00:42:00Two or

00:42:00three?

00:42:01Well,

00:42:02three I reckon.

00:42:03Well,

00:42:03did you drink

00:42:04any spirit?

00:42:05Well,

00:42:06I used to

00:42:06drink

00:42:06meths,

00:42:07but I

00:42:07gave it up

00:42:08a long

00:42:08while back

00:42:09because I

00:42:09found it

00:42:10don't do

00:42:10your inside

00:42:11no good.

00:42:12I meant

00:42:12whiskey or

00:42:13gin.

00:42:14Well,

00:42:16I think

00:42:17Tom did

00:42:17treat me

00:42:18to a

00:42:18whiskey.

00:42:19See,

00:42:19back the

00:42:19winter

00:42:19at a

00:42:203.30,

00:42:20you know

00:42:21what I

00:42:21mean?

00:42:21A

00:42:22whiskey.

00:42:23By that

00:42:23do you

00:42:23mean a

00:42:24single?

00:42:25Well,

00:42:25like,

00:42:26just a

00:42:27nip,

00:42:27like,

00:42:27you know.

00:42:28One?

00:42:29Or

00:42:30more than

00:42:30one?

00:42:31Well,

00:42:33yeah,

00:42:33I think

00:42:34Elbert

00:42:34treated me

00:42:35to one,

00:42:35now you

00:42:35come to

00:42:36mention it,

00:42:36man.

00:42:36And did

00:42:37you buy

00:42:37a round

00:42:37in return?

00:42:39I might

00:42:40have done.

00:42:41Well,

00:42:41surely it's

00:42:41no more

00:42:41than etiquette

00:42:42for drinking

00:42:42men to

00:42:43match each

00:42:43other round

00:42:43for round

00:42:44when they're

00:42:44out on

00:42:44the binge.

00:42:46Yeah,

00:42:46well,

00:42:47now you

00:42:48come to

00:42:48mention it,

00:42:49I think

00:42:50I did

00:42:50get me

00:42:50round in,

00:42:52but it

00:42:52wasn't no

00:42:52binge

00:42:53like

00:42:53you're

00:42:53saying,

00:42:54you know,

00:42:54I mean,

00:42:54we were

00:42:55just wetting

00:42:55our whistles

00:42:56on our way

00:42:57home from

00:42:57work,

00:42:57like all

00:42:58us.

00:42:58I see.

00:42:59So you're

00:42:59proud of your

00:43:00prowess as a

00:43:01heavy drinker,

00:43:01then,

00:43:01are you?

00:43:02Well,

00:43:03as you can

00:43:03say,

00:43:04I've done

00:43:04my share.

00:43:05Indeed,

00:43:05I could,

00:43:05Mr. Kent.

00:43:06Your record

00:43:07is littered

00:43:07with convictions

00:43:08for being

00:43:08drunk and

00:43:09disorderly,

00:43:09isn't it?

00:43:10Yeah,

00:43:11well,

00:43:11I mean,

00:43:11I've been

00:43:12done for

00:43:13it a few

00:43:13times,

00:43:13so I suppose

00:43:15you could

00:43:15be right

00:43:15in saying

00:43:16that.

00:43:16Well,

00:43:16tell me,

00:43:17were you

00:43:17drunk

00:43:17when you

00:43:18left the

00:43:18crown?

00:43:19Well,

00:43:20let's put

00:43:21it this

00:43:21way,

00:43:22Mum,

00:43:22it would

00:43:23take more

00:43:23than I

00:43:24had that

00:43:24night to

00:43:24get me

00:43:25sloshed.

00:43:25But if

00:43:26you were

00:43:27drunk,

00:43:27you wouldn't

00:43:28have known

00:43:29where you

00:43:30were,

00:43:30would you?

00:43:31Yeah,

00:43:31well,

00:43:32you see,

00:43:32I'll never

00:43:33buy booze

00:43:34until I've

00:43:34give Mr.

00:43:35Livingston

00:43:36the Duke

00:43:36of Kent.

00:43:37You mean

00:43:37the rent?

00:43:38That's

00:43:38right,

00:43:38sir.

00:43:39You see,

00:43:40nobody ain't

00:43:41allowed in

00:43:41the hostel

00:43:42if they're

00:43:42pissed.

00:43:43You know,

00:43:44that's the

00:43:44only rule

00:43:45that he's

00:43:45double it on.

00:43:46I see.

00:43:48So you

00:43:48were stone

00:43:49cold sober,

00:43:50you were

00:43:50not in

00:43:51Paxton Street

00:43:51at six o'clock

00:43:52on the evening

00:43:53of the 22nd

00:43:53of January,

00:43:54you were

00:43:55not trying

00:43:55any car

00:43:56door handles

00:43:57and you

00:43:57did not

00:43:58assault

00:43:58either of

00:43:59the police

00:43:59officers,

00:43:59is that

00:44:00right?

00:44:00Well,

00:44:00I said

00:44:01so over

00:44:01and over

00:44:01again

00:44:02of them.

00:44:02Well,

00:44:02can you

00:44:03think of

00:44:03any other

00:44:03reason why

00:44:04this false

00:44:05charge should

00:44:06have been

00:44:06brought against

00:44:07you?

00:44:08Well,

00:44:09see,

00:44:10the thing

00:44:10is,

00:44:11I don't

00:44:12like to

00:44:12say,

00:44:12you see,

00:44:13because it

00:44:14would be

00:44:15bad for

00:44:15me if I

00:44:16did,

00:44:16if you

00:44:16know what

00:44:16I mean.

00:44:17Well,

00:44:17come now,

00:44:18there you

00:44:18stand,

00:44:19an entirely

00:44:19innocent man.

00:44:21There must

00:44:21be something

00:44:21you know

00:44:22that nobody

00:44:22else does.

00:44:23Well,

00:44:24you see,

00:44:24the thing

00:44:25is,

00:44:25it would be

00:44:26worse for

00:44:26me if I

00:44:27did,

00:44:27like I

00:44:28said.

00:44:29But,

00:44:29well,

00:44:30I suppose

00:44:30as I'm

00:44:31going to

00:44:31land up

00:44:32back in

00:44:32the nick

00:44:32again,

00:44:33I don't

00:44:33suppose it

00:44:34matters much

00:44:34anyhow.

00:44:36You see,

00:44:36the thing

00:44:37is,

00:44:37what I

00:44:38said about

00:44:38them two

00:44:39officers

00:44:40making

00:44:40a mistake,

00:44:41well,

00:44:41that wasn't

00:44:42strictly

00:44:42true.

00:44:44I see.

00:44:45You've not

00:44:45been telling

00:44:46the truth.

00:44:47That's

00:44:47right,

00:44:47ma'am.

00:44:48Well,

00:44:48perhaps you'd

00:44:49now tell

00:44:49his honour

00:44:50and the

00:44:50members of

00:44:50the jury

00:44:51what really

00:44:52happened.

00:44:53Well,

00:44:54you see,

00:44:54the thing

00:44:55is,

00:44:56them two

00:44:56officers

00:44:57what nicked

00:44:57me for

00:44:57suss,

00:44:58well,

00:44:58that wasn't

00:44:59no mistake.

00:45:00The thing

00:45:01is,

00:45:01once you've

00:45:01got plenty

00:45:02of form,

00:45:02you ain't

00:45:03got no

00:45:03chance,

00:45:03have you?

00:45:04You see,

00:45:05like,

00:45:05the full

00:45:05strength

00:45:06is,

00:45:07like,

00:45:08say,

00:45:08a police

00:45:09says,

00:45:10a geezer

00:45:10what's

00:45:10been in and

00:45:11out all

00:45:11his night

00:45:12has done

00:45:12something,

00:45:13well,

00:45:14you ain't

00:45:14got no

00:45:14chance,

00:45:15has he?

00:45:16I mean,

00:45:16I should

00:45:16know,

00:45:17because I've

00:45:18done

00:45:18enough time

00:45:19anyway.

00:45:20You know

00:45:20what I

00:45:20mean,

00:45:20Your

00:45:21Honour?

00:45:22So,

00:45:23you know,

00:45:23I mean,

00:45:23I always

00:45:24reckon that

00:45:24it's favourite

00:45:26to plead guilty

00:45:27to whatever

00:45:28I've got

00:45:28me colour

00:45:28felt for,

00:45:30you know,

00:45:30whether I've

00:45:31done it

00:45:31or whether

00:45:31I ain't.

00:45:32do you really

00:45:32expect the

00:45:33members of

00:45:33the jury

00:45:34to believe

00:45:34that this

00:45:35charge of

00:45:35assaulting the

00:45:36police was

00:45:37trumped up

00:45:38and brought

00:45:39against you

00:45:39because of

00:45:40your previous

00:45:40record?

00:45:41You see,

00:45:42since I got

00:45:43out last

00:45:44time,

00:45:45I've been

00:45:45living at

00:45:45the hostel,

00:45:46trying to

00:45:47keep my

00:45:47nose clean,

00:45:48you know what

00:45:48I mean?

00:45:49I mean,

00:45:49I wasn't in

00:45:49Paxson Street

00:45:50when they said

00:45:51they was,

00:45:52and I wasn't

00:45:52trying any

00:45:53card door

00:45:53handles

00:45:54anywhere.

00:45:55You know,

00:45:55I mean,

00:45:56I don't expect

00:45:57anybody to

00:45:58believe me,

00:45:58Mum,

00:45:58but,

00:45:59you know,

00:45:59I don't care

00:46:00one,

00:46:00another,

00:46:02so the

00:46:03police are

00:46:03lying,

00:46:04are they,

00:46:04Mr. Kent?

00:46:05Well,

00:46:05they must be,

00:46:06but mustn't

00:46:06I?

00:46:09Mr. Kent,

00:46:10there's just

00:46:10one further

00:46:11question I

00:46:11would like to

00:46:12ask you with

00:46:12regard to

00:46:12your previous

00:46:13convictions.

00:46:14Yes,

00:46:14sir.

00:46:15Although there

00:46:15were 22

00:46:16of them,

00:46:16how many

00:46:17have come

00:46:18before a

00:46:18judge and

00:46:19jury?

00:46:19I don't

00:46:20know what

00:46:20you're

00:46:20on about,

00:46:21sir.

00:46:21You know,

00:46:21because,

00:46:22I mean,

00:46:22you only go

00:46:23to the

00:46:23sessions to

00:46:24get sentenced,

00:46:25don't you?

00:46:25Quite.

00:46:26This is the

00:46:26first time

00:46:27that you have

00:46:28spoken up in

00:46:28your defence

00:46:29in court,

00:46:29isn't it?

00:46:32And it's

00:46:33the first

00:46:33time I've

00:46:34pleaded not

00:46:34guilty,

00:46:35you know.

00:46:35Can you

00:46:36tell us

00:46:36why?

00:46:37Yeah,

00:46:37well,

00:46:38see,

00:46:38the thing

00:46:38is,

00:46:39Mr.

00:46:39Liverston

00:46:40said that

00:46:41I was to

00:46:41plead not

00:46:42guilty if

00:46:43I ain't.

00:46:44And I

00:46:44ain't.

00:46:45You know,

00:46:45I mean,

00:46:45other times,

00:46:47I ain't

00:46:47cared whether

00:46:47I've got

00:46:48another stretch

00:46:49or not,

00:46:49you know,

00:46:50whether I've

00:46:51got done

00:46:51for what

00:46:51I've been

00:46:52charged with

00:46:52or not.

00:46:53You know,

00:46:53I mean,

00:46:54you see,

00:46:55I've always

00:46:55looked on the

00:46:56knickers

00:46:56as me

00:46:56proper home,

00:46:57you know what

00:46:58I mean?

00:46:58Better off

00:47:00in than out

00:47:01as you

00:47:01might say.

00:47:02But,

00:47:03well,

00:47:04this time

00:47:04I don't

00:47:05want to go

00:47:06back there

00:47:06if I can

00:47:06help it,

00:47:07if you know

00:47:07what I mean.

00:47:08One last

00:47:09question,

00:47:09Mr. Kent.

00:47:10Would you

00:47:11say that

00:47:11you are

00:47:12an

00:47:12incorrigible

00:47:13rogue?

00:47:14Oh,

00:47:15don't know

00:47:15what that

00:47:16is,

00:47:16sir.

00:47:17But if

00:47:17it's

00:47:17anything

00:47:18like a

00:47:18diabolical

00:47:19villain,

00:47:19I ain't.

00:47:19The

00:47:36cases in

00:47:37Fulchester

00:47:38Crown Court

00:47:38are fictitious,

00:47:39but the jury

00:47:39is comprised

00:47:40of members

00:47:41of the

00:47:41general public.

00:47:42The Queen

00:47:42against Kent

00:47:43will be

00:47:43concluded

00:47:44tomorrow

00:47:44in the

00:47:45Crown Court.

00:47:49James

00:48:13William

00:48:14Kent,

00:48:14a recidivist

00:48:15with a long

00:48:15criminal record,

00:48:16has been

00:48:16charged with

00:48:17assaulting two

00:48:18CID officers

00:48:19when they

00:48:19arrested him

00:48:20for being

00:48:20a suspected

00:48:21person in

00:48:22Paxton Street,

00:48:22Fulchester

00:48:23on the

00:48:2322nd of

00:48:24January.

00:48:25Kent,

00:48:25having elected

00:48:26to give

00:48:26evidence under

00:48:27oath,

00:48:27has admitted

00:48:28that his

00:48:28record is

00:48:28bad,

00:48:29but denies

00:48:30that he

00:48:30assaulted the

00:48:31officers and

00:48:31that he

00:48:32was behaving

00:48:32suspiciously.

00:48:34Since his

00:48:34release from

00:48:35prison in

00:48:35November,

00:48:36he's been

00:48:36living at

00:48:36St. Matthew's

00:48:37Hostel for

00:48:37ex-prisoners,

00:48:38and he

00:48:39insists that

00:48:39the influences

00:48:40that he's

00:48:41come under

00:48:41at the

00:48:41hostel have

00:48:42given him

00:48:42the will

00:48:43to go

00:48:43straight.

00:48:44Counsel for

00:48:45the defence

00:48:45has called

00:48:46Albert Hicks,

00:48:47who is also

00:48:48an inmate of

00:48:48St. Matthew's

00:48:49Hostel.

00:48:50Mr. Hicks,

00:48:51you know the

00:48:52defendant,

00:48:52do you not?

00:48:53Oh, Jim,

00:48:54yeah, I know

00:48:55him right now.

00:48:56As well as

00:48:56living at the

00:48:57hostel, you are

00:48:57both employed by

00:48:58Gilbert Bradford

00:48:58and Sons,

00:48:59the building

00:48:59contractors.

00:49:00That's right.

00:49:01I started off

00:49:02navvy, same as

00:49:02Jim C, but I've

00:49:03been there a long

00:49:04time now, so I

00:49:05got promotion

00:49:06into the

00:49:06quantity

00:49:06surveyor's

00:49:07office about

00:49:08nine months

00:49:09ago.

00:49:10But you have

00:49:10been in

00:49:11prison?

00:49:12Certainly

00:49:12have, but

00:49:13not for a

00:49:13long time

00:49:14now.

00:49:14How long

00:49:15exactly?

00:49:16A bit

00:49:17over two

00:49:17years now.

00:49:18Before you

00:49:19went to live

00:49:19at the

00:49:19hostel, did

00:49:20you ever

00:49:20manage to

00:49:20stay out

00:49:21of trouble

00:49:21for so

00:49:21long?

00:49:22No, I

00:49:23didn't, sir.

00:49:24I was in

00:49:25a night that

00:49:25Nick Clark

00:49:25had a season

00:49:26ticket.

00:49:29He must be

00:49:29out of my

00:49:30sod in mind

00:49:31coming into

00:49:31me own

00:49:31free will.

00:49:32Don't worry,

00:49:33Tom, you'll

00:49:33be all right.

00:49:34I'll be all

00:49:35right when I

00:49:35made 100

00:49:35miles from

00:49:36here, mate.

00:49:38Look,

00:49:38quarters is

00:49:38where they

00:49:39dish out

00:49:39porridge, mate,

00:49:40and a

00:49:40blanket of a

00:49:41bit of

00:49:41form could get

00:49:43on his face.

00:49:43Yeah, I

00:49:44know how

00:49:44hard it was

00:49:44for you to

00:49:45come here

00:49:45today, Tom,

00:49:45but just

00:49:46answer their

00:49:46questions and

00:49:47nothing will

00:49:47happen to

00:49:47you.

00:49:49Couldn't

00:49:50have to

00:49:50with a

00:49:50point.

00:49:52It's all

00:49:53right for

00:49:53geezers like

00:49:54you, your

00:49:54old school

00:49:55toy and

00:49:55your

00:49:55pan-node

00:49:56accent,

00:49:57but there

00:49:57ain't no

00:49:58way they

00:49:58gotta believe

00:49:59a word I

00:49:59say, even

00:50:00if I swear

00:50:00on me

00:50:00mother's

00:50:01eyesight.

00:50:02Good rest

00:50:02of soul.

00:50:03If Jim

00:50:03gets off, I

00:50:04buy you

00:50:04enough beer

00:50:05to bath in.

00:50:06You're a

00:50:07pretty safe

00:50:07wizard there,

00:50:08mate.

00:50:08Well, if

00:50:09he goes

00:50:09down, there's

00:50:10always the

00:50:11courts of

00:50:11appeal.

00:50:13What's the

00:50:13point of

00:50:13going on

00:50:14about other

00:50:14people's

00:50:15rights of

00:50:15one thing

00:50:16and another

00:50:16the way

00:50:16you do?

00:50:17Well, you

00:50:18think Jim

00:50:18would be

00:50:18better off

00:50:19pleading

00:50:19guilty,

00:50:19whether he

00:50:20did it

00:50:20or not?

00:50:20Do you

00:50:20believe I

00:50:21do?

00:50:22Well, if

00:50:22he's

00:50:22going to

00:50:23end up

00:50:23in prison

00:50:23either way,

00:50:24as you

00:50:25think he

00:50:25will,

00:50:26why not

00:50:26give him

00:50:26a fight

00:50:26for once?

00:50:27You've

00:50:28got a lot

00:50:28to learn,

00:50:28Pat,

00:50:29about what

00:50:29goes on

00:50:30in a

00:50:30bloke's

00:50:30nut

00:50:30when he

00:50:31gets

00:50:31his

00:50:31collar

00:50:31felt.

00:50:32I'd like

00:50:32you to

00:50:33cast your

00:50:33mind back

00:50:33to the

00:50:34evening

00:50:34of the

00:50:3422nd

00:50:35of

00:50:35January

00:50:35this

00:50:35year.

00:50:36Tonight

00:50:37Jim

00:50:37got

00:50:37his

00:50:37collar

00:50:37felt,

00:50:38you

00:50:38mean?

00:50:38When

00:50:39you

00:50:39finished

00:50:39work

00:50:39that

00:50:39evening,

00:50:40where did

00:50:40you go?

00:50:41We're down

00:50:41the

00:50:41boozer, sir.

00:50:42Me and Jim

00:50:43and Tom,

00:50:43Tom

00:50:43Bernard, sir.

00:50:44We always

00:50:45go down for

00:50:45a few after

00:50:46work, you

00:50:46see.

00:50:47We use

00:50:47the crown.

00:50:48And the

00:50:48defendant was

00:50:49definitely

00:50:49with you?

00:50:50Oh, yeah,

00:50:50Jim was there,

00:50:51no doubt about

00:50:51that.

00:50:52We always use

00:50:52the crown,

00:50:53unless we

00:50:54skid

00:50:54of course.

00:50:55I see.

00:50:55And approximately

00:50:56how long

00:50:56did you stay

00:50:56there?

00:50:58Well, we

00:50:58left work

00:50:59about five,

00:51:00must have

00:51:00got down

00:51:01there about

00:51:01half past.

00:51:03Yeah, well,

00:51:04we got a few

00:51:04down and

00:51:05then Jim

00:51:06said he

00:51:06had to

00:51:06leave in

00:51:06half hour

00:51:07or so,

00:51:08because he

00:51:08had to

00:51:08collect a

00:51:09sack of

00:51:09potatoes

00:51:09from the

00:51:10greengrocers

00:51:10in the

00:51:11High Street.

00:51:12Dead

00:51:12worried he

00:51:12was about

00:51:13that and

00:51:13all,

00:51:14because he

00:51:14didn't want

00:51:14to let

00:51:15the governor

00:51:16down,

00:51:16you see.

00:51:17The

00:51:17governor?

00:51:18Mr.

00:51:20Livingston,

00:51:20sir.

00:51:21You know,

00:51:21he's the

00:51:22superintendent at

00:51:23St.

00:51:24Matthews.

00:51:25Jim was a

00:51:25bit worried,

00:51:26so he went

00:51:27off and me

00:51:28and Tom

00:51:28had a game

00:51:29of dogs.

00:51:30Mr.

00:51:30Hicks was

00:51:30extremely keen

00:51:31to pull his

00:51:31weight at the

00:51:31hostel.

00:51:32Oh, no doubt

00:51:33about that,

00:51:33whatever, sir.

00:51:34He was real

00:51:35keen to have

00:51:36a right go

00:51:36at going

00:51:37straight.

00:51:37He thought

00:51:38he'd given

00:51:38up villainy

00:51:39for good,

00:51:39and I'd

00:51:40have bet

00:51:40my week's

00:51:41wages on

00:51:41that.

00:51:42So when

00:51:42I got

00:51:43home and

00:51:43found he

00:51:44hadn't even

00:51:44turned up

00:51:45with the

00:51:45potatoes,

00:51:46and the

00:51:46next thing

00:51:46I hear,

00:51:47he's been

00:51:48done for

00:51:48suss and

00:51:49he's having

00:51:49a go at

00:51:50the law.

00:51:54most helpful.

00:51:55Would you

00:51:55stay there,

00:51:56please?

00:51:58Would I

00:51:59be right

00:51:59in assuming

00:51:59that the

00:52:00defendant is

00:52:00a bosom

00:52:01pal of

00:52:01yours?

00:52:02Well, I've

00:52:02only known

00:52:03him since

00:52:03he came

00:52:03to the

00:52:04hostel,

00:52:04miss.

00:52:04How long

00:52:05is that?

00:52:06A couple

00:52:06of months.

00:52:07But you

00:52:08do get

00:52:08on well

00:52:09together?

00:52:10Well,

00:52:10all the

00:52:11lads get

00:52:11on at

00:52:12St.

00:52:12Matthews,

00:52:12miss.

00:52:13It's a bit

00:52:13like a club,

00:52:14you know?

00:52:15You try

00:52:15to help

00:52:16each other?

00:52:17I reckon

00:52:17so.

00:52:18You reckon

00:52:18so.

00:52:19I put it

00:52:20to you

00:52:20that you

00:52:20came here

00:52:21today fully

00:52:21prepared to

00:52:22do anything

00:52:22you could

00:52:23to help

00:52:23your friend

00:52:24in the

00:52:24dock.

00:52:25I suggest

00:52:26you'd even

00:52:27commit perjury

00:52:27if you thought

00:52:28that by so

00:52:28doing your

00:52:29friend would

00:52:30go free.

00:52:31Is that

00:52:31right?

00:52:32That's far

00:52:33from right,

00:52:33miss.

00:52:34Well, I mean,

00:52:35a bloke likes

00:52:36to help her

00:52:36mate what's

00:52:37got him to

00:52:37a spot

00:52:37above her,

00:52:38but he'd

00:52:38be a right

00:52:39Bert,

00:52:39wouldn't he,

00:52:40to chance

00:52:40his own

00:52:41liberty by

00:52:41giving false

00:52:42evidence in

00:52:43court.

00:52:43Now, it

00:52:44stands to

00:52:45reason,

00:52:45doesn't it?

00:52:45I see.

00:52:47I suppose

00:52:47now that you

00:52:48are a reformed

00:52:49character,

00:52:50or rather

00:52:50that you've

00:52:50told us

00:52:51that you

00:52:51are,

00:52:52his honour

00:52:52and the

00:52:53members of

00:52:53the jury

00:52:53should believe

00:52:54anything you

00:52:55say.

00:52:56I don't see

00:52:56why not,

00:52:57miss.

00:52:57Everything I've

00:52:58said's a

00:52:58truth.

00:52:59But even if

00:53:00the defendant

00:53:00was with

00:53:01you in the

00:53:01pub,

00:53:02you don't

00:53:03have any

00:53:03way of

00:53:03knowing

00:53:04whether or

00:53:04not he

00:53:05was trying

00:53:05car door

00:53:06handles in

00:53:06Paxton

00:53:07Street after

00:53:08he left

00:53:08you,

00:53:09do you?

00:53:12You've

00:53:12indicated by

00:53:13your evidence

00:53:14that Mr.

00:53:14Kent was a

00:53:15particular friend

00:53:15of yours,

00:53:16is that

00:53:16correct?

00:53:17He's a

00:53:18mate of mine,

00:53:18I wouldn't

00:53:18deny that,

00:53:19sir.

00:53:20When he

00:53:20first came

00:53:20to live

00:53:21at the

00:53:21hostel,

00:53:21did he

00:53:22seek out

00:53:22your company

00:53:23or did

00:53:23you seek

00:53:23his?

00:53:24I don't

00:53:25think I'll

00:53:25get your

00:53:25meaning,

00:53:26sir.

00:53:26Well,

00:53:27how did

00:53:27your

00:53:27relationship

00:53:28develop?

00:53:29Did Mr.

00:53:29Kent force

00:53:30his company

00:53:31on you?

00:53:32Well,

00:53:33when he

00:53:33first come,

00:53:34he used to

00:53:34sit round

00:53:35the recreation

00:53:35room and

00:53:36not say a

00:53:36word to

00:53:37no one.

00:53:38So one

00:53:38night I

00:53:38chatted

00:53:39him up a

00:53:39bit.

00:53:40What did

00:53:40you talk

00:53:40about?

00:53:41Well,

00:53:42he started

00:53:42off asking

00:53:43me how I'd

00:53:44managed to

00:53:44stay out of

00:53:45trouble for

00:53:46two years.

00:53:46So I told

00:53:48him it was

00:53:48partly because

00:53:49I lived in

00:53:49the hostel and

00:53:50partly this

00:53:51group therapy,

00:53:52what we've

00:53:52done two or

00:53:53three nights

00:53:53a week.

00:53:54Go on.

00:53:54Well,

00:53:55this group

00:53:55therapy don't

00:53:57make you go

00:53:57straight at

00:53:58nothing.

00:53:58I mean,

00:53:58it don't

00:53:59change the

00:53:59habits of a

00:53:59lifetime overnight

00:54:00just like that.

00:54:01but a lot of

00:54:03blokes got a

00:54:03lot of good

00:54:03out of it.

00:54:04You know,

00:54:05so we used

00:54:05to sit

00:54:05round the

00:54:05fireplace and

00:54:06sort of tell

00:54:07each other

00:54:07our life

00:54:08stories,

00:54:08you know.

00:54:09Did Mr.

00:54:09Kent take

00:54:09any part in

00:54:10these sessions?

00:54:11Not at

00:54:12first, but

00:54:12later on,

00:54:13after a couple

00:54:13of weeks,

00:54:14there was no

00:54:14hope in him.

00:54:15He was

00:54:15chetted away

00:54:16with the rest

00:54:16of them.

00:54:17Well, what did

00:54:17Mr. Kent

00:54:17reveal about

00:54:18himself when

00:54:18he began to

00:54:19take part in

00:54:19these discussions?

00:54:21Well,

00:54:22sir, one

00:54:23night there

00:54:23was one of

00:54:24the other

00:54:25blokes there.

00:54:25He was telling

00:54:26us all about

00:54:27his lonely,

00:54:28horrible childhood,

00:54:31his childhood

00:54:32was a lot

00:54:33worse than

00:54:33the other

00:54:33fellas was.

00:54:34Well, once

00:54:35he got started,

00:54:36there was no

00:54:36old in him.

00:54:36He was

00:54:37rabbiting on

00:54:37all night.

00:54:38It was nearly

00:54:38morning by

00:54:39the time

00:54:39we finished

00:54:40there.

00:54:41So, once

00:54:42he broke

00:54:42the ice,

00:54:43did Mr. Kent

00:54:43take part in

00:54:44other group

00:54:44therapy sessions?

00:54:46On and

00:54:47off, sir.

00:54:48Well, you

00:54:48know, when

00:54:49a bloke's done

00:54:49as much porridge

00:54:50as what Jim

00:54:51here has,

00:54:51it's not all

00:54:52that easy to

00:54:53talk about it

00:54:54in front of

00:54:54strangers.

00:54:56But one

00:54:57night he did

00:54:57say to me

00:54:58that if an

00:54:58old lad like

00:54:59I was could

00:55:00make a fresh

00:55:00start,

00:55:01well, he

00:55:02could have

00:55:02know.

00:55:05It's pure,

00:55:06unadulterated

00:55:06theatre from

00:55:07beginning to

00:55:08end.

00:55:08You do me a

00:55:09favour, will

00:55:10you, Pat?

00:55:11If I see us

00:55:12liking a bad

00:55:12idea, the

00:55:13old beak will

00:55:13do his not

00:55:14something rotten.

00:55:15Well, I can

00:55:15hardly wait.

00:55:17It's absolutely

00:55:18archaic.

00:55:19I didn't want

00:55:20to come here

00:55:20in the first

00:55:21place.

00:55:23Oh, I'm

00:55:25going to miss

00:55:25it for the

00:55:25world.

00:55:26Hey, Albert

00:55:26seems to be

00:55:27doing very

00:55:27well.

00:55:30My God.

00:55:31Judge looks

00:55:32like an

00:55:32ageing drag

00:55:33queen.

00:55:34If anyone

00:55:35asks you,

00:55:35I'd wish

00:55:35her, mate.

00:55:37The trouble

00:55:38with you is

00:55:38you've got

00:55:38no sense

00:55:39of humour,

00:55:39Tom.

00:55:41You'll

00:55:42laugh the

00:55:42other side

00:55:43of your face

00:55:43if they

00:55:43kept your

00:55:44ear-rolling

00:55:44like that.

00:55:48Thomas

00:55:48Bernard.

00:55:49take the

00:56:06Bible in

00:56:06your right

00:56:06hand and

00:56:07read aloud

00:56:08the words

00:56:08on the

00:56:08card.

00:56:09I can't

00:56:10read.

00:56:11Now, repeat

00:56:12after me.

00:56:13I swear

00:56:14by almighty

00:56:14God.

00:56:15I swear

00:56:16by almighty

00:56:16God.

00:56:17That the

00:56:17evidence I

00:56:18shall give.

00:56:18That the

00:56:19evidence I

00:56:20shall give.

00:56:20Shall be

00:56:20the truth.

00:56:21Shall be

00:56:22the truth.

00:56:22The whole

00:56:23truth.

00:56:23The whole

00:56:23truth.

00:56:24And nothing

00:56:24but the

00:56:25truth.

00:56:25And nothing

00:56:25but the

00:56:26truth.

00:56:28Here you are,

00:56:29Thomas Bernard,

00:56:30and you live at

00:56:3022 North End

00:56:31Road,

00:56:31Forchester.

00:56:32Yeah, me and

00:56:33Jim and Albert,

00:56:34we all live at

00:56:35St. Matthew's

00:56:35Hostel for

00:56:36ex-prisoners.

00:56:37I don't

00:56:38suppose I

00:56:38really need to

00:56:38ask if you

00:56:39are an

00:56:39ex-prisoner,

00:56:40do I?

00:56:40But would

00:56:40you please tell

00:56:41the court if

00:56:42you are,

00:56:42just for the

00:56:43record?

00:56:44Well, I

00:56:44wouldn't be

00:56:44living in

00:56:45the hostel

00:56:45if I

00:56:46wasn't,

00:56:46would I,

00:56:46gov?

00:56:47Well, how

00:56:47long is it

00:56:48since you

00:56:48were last

00:56:48in prison,

00:56:49Mr. Bernard?

00:56:50Oh, I

00:56:50can't rightly

00:56:51say.

00:56:51Oh, wait

00:56:52a minute

00:56:52now.

00:56:54I just

00:56:54don't

00:56:54remember.

00:56:55See, the

00:56:56trouble with

00:56:57prison is,

00:56:57when you

00:56:58come out,

00:56:59you forget

00:56:59about it.

00:57:00That's why

00:57:01it don't

00:57:01reform no

00:57:02one, I

00:57:02reckon.

00:57:04You were,

00:57:04in fact,

00:57:05released from

00:57:05prison 19

00:57:06months ago,

00:57:07having completed

00:57:07a sentence of

00:57:08three years for

00:57:09stealing lead

00:57:09from a scrapyard

00:57:11to the value

00:57:11of 20 pounds.

00:57:12I got

00:57:12grassed.

00:57:14Would I

00:57:14be right in

00:57:15saying that

00:57:15those 19

00:57:16months since

00:57:16you were

00:57:16released from

00:57:17prison are

00:57:18the longest

00:57:18period that

00:57:19you've been

00:57:19at liberty

00:57:19in the past

00:57:2015 years?

00:57:22Well, I

00:57:23can't rightly

00:57:24say, but I

00:57:25wouldn't be

00:57:25surprised.

00:57:27Very well.

00:57:27Do you recall

00:57:28going to the

00:57:28Crown Public

00:57:29House on the

00:57:30evening of the

00:57:3022nd of January

00:57:31this year?

00:57:32Yeah, I go

00:57:33there most nights

00:57:34after work.

00:57:35But did you

00:57:35go there that

00:57:36evening?

00:57:37Well, I

00:57:37don't see no

00:57:38reason why I

00:57:38wouldn't have.

00:57:39Was the

00:57:41defendant with

00:57:41you?

00:57:43Well, he

00:57:43goes there as

00:57:44often as I

00:57:44do, so he

00:57:45must have

00:57:45been.

00:57:46Here, wait

00:57:47a minute.

00:57:47Now, that

00:57:48was the night

00:57:48he got

00:57:48captured,

00:57:49weren't it?

00:57:50Yeah, he

00:57:50was there,

00:57:51but he

00:57:51left early,

00:57:52you see,

00:57:53because he

00:57:53had to go

00:57:54the errand

00:57:54for Mr.

00:57:55Livingston

00:57:55down at

00:57:55the hostel.

00:57:56What errand

00:57:57was that?

00:57:58I don't

00:57:58know.

00:58:00Here, something

00:58:00to do with

00:58:01a sack of

00:58:01spudge,

00:58:01wasn't it?

00:58:02I'm asking

00:58:03you.

00:58:03Yeah, that's

00:58:04right, a

00:58:04sack of

00:58:05spudge.

00:58:05He had to

00:58:06get this

00:58:06sack of

00:58:07spudge

00:58:07from the

00:58:07Greengracers,

00:58:08and he

00:58:09made a

00:58:09point of

00:58:09mentioning

00:58:10that before

00:58:10he left

00:58:11the pub.

00:58:13You, uh,

00:58:15you take

00:58:15it in turns

00:58:16to run

00:58:16the errands,

00:58:16do you?

00:58:17Uh, yes,

00:58:18yes, we

00:58:19all take

00:58:19it in turns

00:58:19to run

00:58:20the errands,

00:58:20yes, sir.

00:58:21But what

00:58:22happens if

00:58:22one of the

00:58:22inmates refuses

00:58:23or fails to

00:58:24pull his

00:58:24weight?

00:58:25Well, it

00:58:26gets brought

00:58:27up with

00:58:27the group

00:58:27therapy, and

00:58:28if that

00:58:29don't do

00:58:29no good,

00:58:29it gets

00:58:30chucks out

00:58:30in the

00:58:30end.

00:58:31I don't

00:58:31suppose anybody

00:58:32particularly

00:58:32likes having

00:58:33his shortcomings

00:58:34discussed in

00:58:34public these

00:58:35group therapy

00:58:36sessions?

00:58:37No, of

00:58:37course not,

00:58:38but, you

00:58:39know, once

00:58:40is more

00:58:40than enough.

00:58:42But, uh,

00:58:44myself,

00:58:44personally, I

00:58:46don't hold

00:58:46the physics

00:58:47changing life

00:58:47stories.

00:58:48You don't?

00:58:49No.

00:58:50Because, you

00:58:50see, what's

00:58:51the point in

00:58:52telling geese

00:58:52things, and

00:58:53they might go

00:58:54out and

00:58:54grass on your

00:58:54first chance

00:58:55they get?

00:58:56Even so,

00:58:57even without

00:58:57the therapy

00:58:58sessions, you

00:58:59have managed

00:58:59to stay out

00:59:00of trouble

00:59:00all this

00:59:01time.

00:59:02Well, you

00:59:02see, Sir

00:59:03Matthew's

00:59:03house, it's

00:59:04like a

00:59:05commune.

00:59:06A lot of

00:59:06blokes, what's

00:59:07all done

00:59:07time, all

00:59:08living together

00:59:09and getting

00:59:09on handsome.

00:59:11Yeah, and

00:59:11from what I've

00:59:12seen on the

00:59:12telly, there's

00:59:13a lot of

00:59:14straight people

00:59:14took to

00:59:15living in

00:59:15communes, too,

00:59:16because they

00:59:17find the

00:59:17strain of

00:59:18being straight

00:59:18is driving

00:59:19them right

00:59:20round the

00:59:20bend.

00:59:21Yeah.

00:59:21I should

00:59:34imagine this

00:59:34case has

00:59:35been the

00:59:35topic of

00:59:36heated

00:59:36discussion

00:59:36at the

00:59:37hostel.

00:59:38I wouldn't

00:59:38know, miss.

00:59:39I don't talk to

00:59:40nobody about

00:59:41nothing.

00:59:42Like I said

00:59:43before, the

00:59:43world is

00:59:44knee-deep in

00:59:44grass.

00:59:46Well, did you

00:59:46feel the

00:59:46defendant had

00:59:47been hard

00:59:47done by?

00:59:48I give

00:59:49up feeling

00:59:49for geezers

00:59:50in the

00:59:50knick, what's

00:59:51been hard

00:59:51done by, but

00:59:52I thought it

00:59:53was double

00:59:53strong on

00:59:54poor old

00:59:54Jim, because

00:59:55he was

00:59:55trying his

00:59:56best to

00:59:57do the

00:59:57right thing,

00:59:58make a

00:59:58go of it.

00:59:59I see.

01:00:00So two

01:00:01CID officers

01:00:01simply caught

01:00:02sight of

01:00:03Kent and

01:00:03placed him

01:00:04under arrest

01:00:04just like

01:00:05that.

01:00:06Well, it's

01:00:06a doddle,

01:00:06isn't it?

01:00:07I mean, if

01:00:07you've got a

01:00:08bit of form,

01:00:09you're guilty

01:00:10of suss, and

01:00:11all the law

01:00:12needs is

01:00:13verbals, and

01:00:13they notch

01:00:14up another

01:00:14conviction.

01:00:15Mr.

01:00:15Bernard, my

01:00:17learned friend

01:00:17laid considerable

01:00:18emphasis on

01:00:19the fact that

01:00:19although you

01:00:19may have been

01:00:20a persistent

01:00:20offender in

01:00:21the past, you've

01:00:23not been in

01:00:23any trouble of

01:00:24any kind since

01:00:26you were released

01:00:26from prison 19

01:00:27months ago.

01:00:28Is that correct?

01:00:29Definitely.

01:00:31Definitely?

01:00:32Well, you

01:00:33definitely reckoned I

01:00:34ain't been in the

01:00:35knick since I got

01:00:35out last time.

01:00:37Perhaps I'm not

01:00:38making myself quite

01:00:39clear.

01:00:39The question I'd

01:00:40like an answer to

01:00:40is, have you or

01:00:42have you not been

01:00:43convicted of a

01:00:44criminal offence in

01:00:45the past 19

01:00:46months?

01:00:47Well, I got

01:00:49captured, bent

01:00:50to rights with

01:00:52a sack of

01:00:54bluey, but

01:00:54like that was

01:00:57a long time

01:00:57ago.

01:00:58I told the

01:00:59law, it

01:01:00weren't mine.

01:01:01I would just

01:01:01mine it from

01:01:02my to mine,

01:01:03what didn't

01:01:03show, and I

01:01:04got dropped

01:01:04in it.

01:01:05Nonetheless, you

01:01:06were charged

01:01:07with receiving a

01:01:08quantity of

01:01:08scrap metal

01:01:09stolen from the

01:01:10roof of St.

01:01:10Anne's Church,

01:01:11Fulchester, and

01:01:12you pleaded

01:01:13guilty to that

01:01:13charge.

01:01:14Yes.

01:01:18Yeah, but I

01:01:19didn't get no

01:01:20porridge, so I

01:01:21don't count, do

01:01:21it.

01:01:22On the 23rd of

01:01:23March, 1974, you

01:01:24were convicted of

01:01:25receiving stolen

01:01:26goods at Fulchester

01:01:27Magistrates Court

01:01:28and sentenced to

01:01:2912 months

01:01:30imprisonment, suspended

01:01:31for two years.

01:01:32Is this true?

01:01:33Yes, Your

01:01:34Worship, but if you

01:01:36don't get no

01:01:37bird, that don't

01:01:38count, do it.

01:01:38I think you'll

01:01:40find it does,

01:01:40Mr. Bernard.

01:01:42Why, it just

01:01:43goes to show you

01:01:43what you don't

01:01:44know.

01:01:45So you admit to

01:01:46having been

01:01:47convicted of this

01:01:47charge.

01:01:48Well, I can't

01:01:49odds it, can I?

01:01:51No more

01:01:52questions?

01:01:53Are there any

01:01:54other details of

01:01:55your previous

01:01:55record that you

01:01:56have omitted to

01:01:56mention?

01:01:57Of course not.

01:01:58I ain't been

01:01:59trying to hide

01:01:59nothing.

01:02:01If I don't end

01:02:02up in the nick, I

01:02:03don't feel I've

01:02:04been done, and

01:02:05there ain't no

01:02:05more to it than

01:02:06that.

01:02:07And you have

01:02:07been telling

01:02:07the truth in

01:02:08this court

01:02:08today.

01:02:09I am under

01:02:10health, and I

01:02:11do not tell

01:02:11lies.

01:02:14You are

01:02:15Patrick Livingston,

01:02:16and you are the

01:02:16superintendent of

01:02:17St. Matthew's

01:02:18Hostel for Ex-Prisoners

01:02:19at 22 North End

01:02:20Road, Forchester.

01:02:21Yes.

01:02:22You know the

01:02:22defendant, do you

01:02:23not?

01:02:24Yes, of course, he

01:02:25lives at St. Matthew's.

01:02:26How long have you

01:02:26known him?

01:02:27About six or seven

01:02:28months.

01:02:31When he was

01:02:32serving a sentence

01:02:32in Forchester

01:02:33Prison?

01:02:34Yes, I visit the

01:02:35prison three or four

01:02:36times a week.

01:02:36In what capacity?

01:02:38I have permission

01:02:39to talk to the

01:02:40men who may like

01:02:41to come and stay

01:02:41at the hostel on

01:02:42their release.

01:02:43What type of

01:02:44ex-prisoners are

01:02:45these as a rule?

01:02:47Well, men who

01:02:47have no fixed

01:02:48abode, recidivists

01:02:49mostly, men who

01:02:51are unable to

01:02:52maintain themselves

01:02:53in any environment

01:02:54other than prison.

01:02:54You have a

01:02:55particular interest

01:02:55in offenders of

01:02:56this kind?

01:02:57That is so.

01:02:58How many ex-

01:02:59prisoners does the

01:03:00hostel have room

01:03:01for at any one

01:03:01time?

01:03:03Seventeen.

01:03:04I bet we can

01:03:04take twenty at a

01:03:05pinch.

01:03:05And these men

01:03:06who come to

01:03:06live at the

01:03:06hostel, how

01:03:07long do they

01:03:08stay as a

01:03:08room?

01:03:09Well, it

01:03:10depends on any

01:03:10number of

01:03:11imponderables, but

01:03:11basically they

01:03:13stay until they

01:03:14themselves feel

01:03:15confident enough to

01:03:16leave.

01:03:16By which I mean

01:03:17they've established

01:03:18themselves in a job

01:03:19and feel mentally

01:03:20equipped to cope

01:03:21with the outside

01:03:22world?

01:03:22And this can

01:03:23sometimes be a

01:03:23lengthy process?

01:03:25Oh, yes.

01:03:26Would it be true to

01:03:26say that you give

01:03:27shelter to the most

01:03:28difficult and hopeless

01:03:30cases?

01:03:30There's no such thing

01:03:31as a hopeless case.

01:03:34If a man has spent

01:03:35the whole of his

01:03:36adult life in and

01:03:37out of prison, I

01:03:39mean, we'd

01:03:39counted an

01:03:40achievement if he

01:03:40managed to stay

01:03:41out for as long

01:03:41as a year.

01:03:43In the two months

01:03:43that Mr. Kent has

01:03:44been living at the

01:03:45hostel, has he shown

01:03:46any signs of

01:03:46improvement?

01:03:48Well, it depends

01:03:48what you mean by

01:03:49improvement.

01:03:49Well, has he shown

01:03:50any desire for a

01:03:51better way of life,

01:03:52to turn over a new

01:03:53leaf?

01:03:54Well, that's a

01:03:55difficult question to

01:03:55answer in a word.

01:03:58You see, when he

01:03:58first came to us, he

01:03:59was completely

01:04:00institutionalized and

01:04:01unable to sustain

01:04:04himself and the

01:04:04outside world.

01:04:05But he was

01:04:07gradually starting to

01:04:08gain confidence in

01:04:09himself and in those

01:04:09around him.

01:04:10You took this to be a

01:04:11sign that he was

01:04:12making progress?

01:04:13He'd made a tenuous

01:04:14start.

01:04:15You put it no higher

01:04:15than that.

01:04:17There is no such

01:04:18thing as instant

01:04:19success or even

01:04:21failure in my line

01:04:22of work.

01:04:23Jim had put his

01:04:25toe in the water at

01:04:26the group discussions

01:04:27and was relieved to

01:04:29discover that he had

01:04:30not drowned.

01:04:31Mr. Livingston,

01:04:31what was your

01:04:32reaction when you

01:04:32heard that he'd

01:04:33been arrested?

01:04:34Disbelief.

01:04:35Why?

01:04:37Well, he'd agreed

01:04:38to collect a sack

01:04:40of potatoes from the

01:04:41greengrocers in the

01:04:42high street.

01:04:42He was, as I've

01:04:43said, eager to do

01:04:44his share of the

01:04:45chores at the

01:04:45hostel, and I was

01:04:47surprised when he

01:04:47failed to turn

01:04:48up.

01:04:49You find it

01:04:49difficult to

01:04:49believe that he

01:04:50is guilty of this

01:04:51offence, do you?

01:04:52I do not believe

01:04:53it.

01:04:54Thank you, Mr.

01:04:54Livingston.

01:04:56Mr. Livingston, I

01:04:57think it must be

01:04:57obvious to everyone

01:04:58in this courtroom

01:04:59that you are a

01:05:00sincere and

01:05:01dedicated man.

01:05:03I try to do the

01:05:04job to the best of

01:05:05my abilities.

01:05:06Would I be right

01:05:07in saying that you

01:05:07hold strong and

01:05:08somewhat controversial

01:05:11views about the

01:05:12effectiveness of

01:05:13imprisonment as a

01:05:14deterrent to

01:05:15persistent offenders?

01:05:16You would.

01:05:17The first rule of

01:05:18prison is to

01:05:19encourage and assist

01:05:21convicted prisoners

01:05:21to lead a good and

01:05:22useful life.

01:05:24Under the present

01:05:24system, they do not

01:05:25even begin to do

01:05:25that.

01:05:26Well, you have

01:05:27drawn attention to

01:05:27what you believe to

01:05:28be the inadequacies of

01:05:29the prison system in

01:05:30articles that you've

01:05:31written and had

01:05:32published in a

01:05:32number of left-wing

01:05:36journals, have you

01:05:36not?

01:05:38Yes.

01:05:39I have published

01:05:40articles in the

01:05:42Marxist Quarterly

01:05:43and Tribune, but

01:05:45also in the

01:05:45Financial Times,

01:05:46The Listener, and

01:05:47Harper's Bazaar.

01:05:49Penal reform, or

01:05:51rather the lack of

01:05:52it, is deeply

01:05:53rooted in politics,

01:05:53both left and

01:05:54right.

01:05:54You have

01:05:55frequently taken

01:05:56part in television

01:05:56and radio

01:05:57programmes devoted

01:05:57to this topic,

01:05:58is that not so?

01:05:59I have been

01:06:00invited to express

01:06:01my views in the

01:06:01media, but that

01:06:02is not my chief

01:06:03occupation.

01:06:03Oh, come now,

01:06:04Mr. Livingston,

01:06:04you're far too

01:06:05modest.

01:06:05Only recently you

01:06:06were described in

01:06:07one Sunday

01:06:07newspaper as a

01:06:08trendy crusader,

01:06:10and in another

01:06:11as the champion

01:06:13of the underdog.

01:06:15I have no control

01:06:16over what is said

01:06:16about me in the

01:06:17press.

01:06:17But you do seek

01:06:18publicity for your

01:06:19cause.

01:06:20Oh, publicity is

01:06:20important, yes, of

01:06:21course it is.

01:06:22So important that

01:06:23you persuaded a

01:06:24man who had

01:06:24already admitted his

01:06:25guilt to the police

01:06:26to change his

01:06:26mind and come here

01:06:27today and plead not

01:06:28guilty.

01:06:29Oh, that's

01:06:29ridiculous.

01:06:30I encouraged him

01:06:31to plead not guilty

01:06:32because I believed

01:06:34him to be innocent.

01:06:35Hmm.

01:06:36Now, did you

01:06:37publish an article in

01:06:38the Howard League

01:06:39journal last March

01:06:40entitled Enemies

01:06:42and Victims of

01:06:43Society?

01:06:44Yes, I did.

01:06:45And what was the

01:06:46theme of that

01:06:46article?

01:06:48I expressed a

01:06:49long-held opinion

01:06:50that those offenders

01:06:52who are most often

01:06:53thought of as enemies

01:06:54of society are in

01:06:56reality victims of

01:06:57society.

01:06:57Would you say the

01:06:58defendant was a

01:06:59victim of society?

01:07:01Jim is the most

01:07:02misunderstood and

01:07:03overpunished ex-

01:07:04prisoner I have ever

01:07:05met.

01:07:05Really?

01:07:07Were you with him

01:07:07at the time of his

01:07:08arrest?

01:07:09No.

01:07:10And how can you be

01:07:11so sure that he's

01:07:12innocent?

01:07:13I have a feeling,

01:07:14that's all.

01:07:15Feelings, Mr.

01:07:15Livingston, are not

01:07:16facts.

01:07:19How long has St.

01:07:20Matthew's house been

01:07:21in existence, Mr.

01:07:21Livingston?

01:07:22About six years.

01:07:24You're his founder,

01:07:24aren't you?

01:07:25I helped to get it

01:07:26started, yes.

01:07:27Why did you feel

01:07:27there was a need for

01:07:28such a place?

01:07:30Society has provided

01:07:31itself with an all-too

01:07:32effective machinery for

01:07:33putting men behind

01:07:34bars.

01:07:35But little or nothing

01:07:36is done for them

01:07:36while they're in

01:07:37prison to prepare

01:07:38them for the

01:07:38difficulties that they

01:07:39will face when they

01:07:40get out.

01:07:40How many men have

01:07:41passed through the

01:07:42hostel since it first

01:07:43opened?

01:07:44Oh, I don't know.

01:07:45Several hundred, I

01:07:45suppose.

01:07:46And what proportion

01:07:46of the men who've

01:07:47passed through your

01:07:47hands have subsequently

01:07:48been convicted of a

01:07:49further crime?

01:07:50Well, for every one

01:07:51that makes a recovery

01:07:53or goes straight, as

01:07:54they say, there are

01:07:55about three who don't.

01:07:56Quite so.

01:07:56As we've heard in this

01:07:57court today, Tom

01:07:58Bernard has been

01:07:59convicted since he came

01:08:00to live at the hostel,

01:08:00hasn't he?

01:08:01Regrettably, yes.

01:08:02And what makes you

01:08:03think that Mr.

01:08:04Kent had not also

01:08:05relapsed into criminal

01:08:06ways?

01:08:07His progress at the

01:08:08hostel since his last

01:08:09release from prison had

01:08:10given me reason to

01:08:12believe that he would

01:08:12make a go of it.

01:08:13One final question,

01:08:14Mr. Livingston.

01:08:16Why do you persuade him

01:08:17to plead not guilty?

01:08:19Oh, I don't think

01:08:19persuaded is the right

01:08:20word.

01:08:22You must remember that

01:08:23he's a man who has

01:08:23spent more of his life

01:08:24in prison than out.

01:08:26He's completely

01:08:27institutionalized and

01:08:28terrified of all

01:08:29authority.

01:08:30I spoke to him in the

01:08:31cells and it became

01:08:33clear to me that he

01:08:34intended to plead guilty,

01:08:35as he always had done

01:08:36in the past.

01:08:38But whatever he may

01:08:39have instinctively told

01:08:40the police at the time

01:08:41of his arrest, he told

01:08:42me he had not been

01:08:43trying door handles on

01:08:44Paxton Street, or

01:08:45anywhere else for that

01:08:46matter, and I

01:08:47believed him.

01:08:48I simply told him that

01:08:49if he was innocent, he

01:08:51should stand up and say

01:08:52so, and plead not

01:08:54guilty.

01:08:55Now, Mr. Kent does not

01:08:57deny the fact that the

01:08:59police tried to arrest

01:09:00him and that he resisted

01:09:01that arrest by the use

01:09:03of physical force.

01:09:05He says that he wasn't

01:09:06doing anything wrong,

01:09:07that the arrest was

01:09:08unlawful.

01:09:09Now, if he's right, then

01:09:11the police were not

01:09:12acting in the course of

01:09:13their duty, and that

01:09:14arrest was unlawful.

01:09:16And Mr. Kent committed

01:09:17no offense by resisting

01:09:18it.

01:09:19On the other hand, if the

01:09:21prosecution is right, then

01:09:23the accused was being

01:09:24arrested quite lawfully

01:09:25under the Vagrancy Act

01:09:271824, which does provide

01:09:29a power of arresting

01:09:30suspected persons

01:09:31loitering with intent to

01:09:33steal.

01:09:34Now, by some people, this

01:09:36old statute, the Vagrancy

01:09:37Act 1824, is looked on as

01:09:40an anomaly, a bit of a

01:09:42dinosaur, left over from a

01:09:44period in our history when

01:09:45there was a great deal of

01:09:46social unrest, and the

01:09:48authorities sought powers

01:09:50to detain people against

01:09:52whom they could prove

01:09:52nothing, but whom they

01:09:54thought were up to no

01:09:55good.

01:09:55Other people point to

01:09:57the fact that the Act

01:09:58has never been repealed

01:09:59as evidence that

01:10:00Parliament, in its

01:10:01wisdom, considers it a

01:10:03useful cog in the

01:10:05machinery of maintaining

01:10:06law and order.

01:10:08Now, in the end, you

01:10:10must reach your verdict on

01:10:12the basis of the facts as

01:10:14they've been presented to

01:10:15you.

01:10:16And I would remind you in

01:10:17conclusion that the

01:10:19prosecution must prove

01:10:21their case beyond all

01:10:22reasonable doubt.

01:10:23And if you have any

01:10:24reasonable doubt, then you

01:10:25must acquit the accused.

01:10:27Now, will you please

01:10:28retire, elect a foreman,

01:10:29and consider your

01:10:30verdict.

01:10:32Court will rise.

01:10:39Members of the jury,

01:10:40will your foreman please

01:10:41stand?

01:10:43Now, just answer this

01:10:44question, yes or no.

01:10:45Have you reached a

01:10:46verdict on which you are

01:10:47all agreed?

01:10:48Yes.

01:10:48On the first count, the

01:10:50charge of assaulting

01:10:51Detective Constable

01:10:52Ronald Forster whilst in

01:10:53the lawful execution of

01:10:55his duty, do you find

01:10:56the accused guilty or not

01:10:58guilty?

01:10:58Not guilty.

01:10:59On count two, the

01:11:01charge of assaulting

01:11:02Detective Constable

01:11:03Thomas Dunlop in the

01:11:04course of his duty, do you

01:11:05find the accused guilty

01:11:07or not guilty?

01:11:07Not guilty.

01:11:09You are free to leave the

01:11:10court.

Crown Court - Incorrigible Rogue (1976)

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