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Summer House Season 9 Episode 17

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00:00Hello, hello.
00:01I feel like I'm in a dreamlike state.
00:03Wes, did you give yourself some affirmations?
00:06I have notes.
00:06You do?
00:07Oh my god.
00:08It says, like, talk on it.
00:12You turned your phone off for, like, two weeks.
00:15He took that as, like, me trying to shut him out,
00:17when in reality, I'm, like, spiraling.
00:20And then I felt like he wasn't even trying to be there for me,
00:23and it was just, like, we were just missing each other.
00:27Do you miss your friendship with her?
00:29Of course.
00:30I mean, I haven't had a relationship that depth of maybe ever.
00:34I don't know if we'll be friends again, but, like, time will tell.
00:38We've got to talk about Toegate.
00:40Lexi, do you think they had sex, by the way?
00:43I would have thought he got a blowjob.
00:45I mean, I have no reason to protect him, you know?
00:47It was just a toe sign.
00:50It sucks to watch Paige and Amanda see them flirting
00:54and be like, oh my gosh, they should date, they should date.
00:56I never said they should date.
00:57No, Amanda did.
00:58At the time, there was no intention of doing anything with Ciara.
01:01It was just, like, our typical flirty friendship.
01:03But I will say, on your press tour, you definitely made it apparent that you were coming for me.
01:08Like, what the f*** was that?
01:11What you said in the media, like, you illustrated this picture that, like, me and Jessie are, like, doing things that are manipulative or doing things in the media to rub it in your face.
01:25Like, what the f*** was that?
01:27Jessie, I feel like orchestrates all this stuff.
01:30And Jessie was doing it all summer to me, specifically against you three.
01:33Okay, well, you dragging me into it in your press was a low blow.
01:37I had a birthday party, and I invited everyone.
01:40And, um, certain two people didn't answer, and then a certain two people hung out that day instead.
01:47Those two?
01:48They better be prepared for you at the reunion, I hope.
01:51I'm very sorry that you were dragged into it.
01:53Yeah, because...
01:54Jessie's the one posting it.
01:55Jessie's the one liking comments, shipping this relationship between you two.
01:59And, again, I'm sorry that you took offense to what I said.
02:02It was more towards what Jessie posts.
02:04So she's collateral, essentially.
02:05Yeah, but, like, I was collateral damage.
02:07And I genuinely did not mean to.
02:07Yeah.
02:08And I didn't think that you would feel like you were collateral.
02:10Just make that clear next time, because I'm not involved in this, and all that smoke should be directed at Jessie.
02:15And I wanted it to be.
02:16And, yeah.
02:18But just be careful of the picture you paint.
02:21I didn't skip anybody's birthday intentionally.
02:23I didn't even go to Paige's 30th birthday.
02:25I really don't care about birthdays like that.
02:27That's true.
02:27So, like...
02:28And that's cool.
02:28I...
02:29But it's not that you guys...
02:30It's not intentional.
02:30I gotta move on.
02:32Lexi, I'm trying to get a sense of where you're at with Jessie.
02:37Are you mad at him?
02:39Are you...
02:40Yeah, I'm mad at him.
02:41There was so much, like, playing people against each other.
02:45He made it seem like you three girls didn't like me.
02:48You said a lot of...
02:49Yes, you did.
02:49You said that there are sides in the house.
02:51So false.
02:52And then that made me cling on to him even more, because then I was like,
02:56oh, you're the only person that I actually feel like I have in this house.
02:59You're making me sound like some mastermind.
03:01Like, I didn't...
03:02You're not that smart.
03:03Yeah.
03:04Unfortunately, I think he's a lot smarter than everyone gives him credit for.
03:07Did you say to her, like, don't be friends with the girls?
03:10No.
03:10I wanted you to be friends.
03:12Why would I not want you to be friends with them?
03:14Did Jessie say, don't be friends with Amanda, Paige, Sierra, but do be friends with Gabby Lindsay?
03:17He said that they're trying to break us up and that they don't like us being together.
03:21Those three and not these two?
03:22Yes.
03:23He seemed like he did know so much and knew how to, like, move his way.
03:26And all of you guys did love him so much.
03:28He tried to big dog you because he was second season and it was your first season.
03:30Yes.
03:31Like that, it was just...
03:32Yeah.
03:32And I was completely alone because, Imrule, you are you.
03:37He's a guy.
03:37Yeah, it's different.
03:38Yeah, we obviously didn't connect the same way.
03:40And then, like you said, Toegate happened and then it was all things.
03:42So, I definitely clung on to Jessie a hundred percent.
03:45Right.
03:45He thinks it's just miscommunications, but I genuinely felt very, like, gaslit, very isolated, very manipulated, very all of these things.
03:53And watching it back has been so heartbreaking for me.
03:57So, Jessie, do you see how she felt like you isolated her in the house?
04:04I can understand where she's coming from now, but it was never my intention to do that.
04:10And I really wanted her to have a positive experience in the house.
04:13Nobody didn't like you, though.
04:15I hope you don't feel like we didn't like you.
04:18I did feel like that.
04:19Like, I thought you were just, like, having so much fun with this new guy.
04:22And, like, I didn't really even think about it.
04:25I wish you came and talked to me or, like, texted me on the side or something.
04:31So, like, I could try to help or help navigate.
04:35But I didn't feel comfortable.
04:37And that makes me sad.
04:38And that's not what I understand.
04:39But I tried to be, like, extremely open and welcoming to you from the very first moment.
04:46So, Jessie, respond to anything you want.
04:51Yeah, I think I really tried.
04:55I definitely made some mistakes, and I regret those mistakes.
05:01If I could go back and do it again, I would do it differently.
05:05But I did really have genuine feelings for Lexi, and I'm upset that this is how it ended.
05:12Can I say, honestly, both of you really liked each other.
05:17And, like, even when you would break up and then get back together, it was so clear.
05:22Like, the chemistry, the fun you guys had.
05:25Like, you both really were into it.
05:28And I think where it went wrong for a myriad of reasons, but it's because it became about perception.
05:34You know, you felt like Jessie was making you look like a fool.
05:38The toe-sucking, the flirting when you were away.
05:41And then you felt like, towards the end, she was making you look like an asshole and a bad guy and this horrible person.
05:48And it became more about how the world was going to perceive each of you.
05:54Very good.
05:54And instead of...
05:56That's a mama.
05:58That's a mama.
05:58That's a mama.
06:00Oh, my God, I have goosebumps.
06:01Lindsay, Lindsay, Carl's clapping for you.
06:04No, that was a great read.
06:05I think that's from...
06:07That was actually my rant the very last weekend.
06:09I was like, I think you're...
06:10Kyle, I don't take Lindsay.
06:11God damn it, Kyle.
06:13I was worried.
06:16You're mansplaining.
06:18He was quiet for 30 minutes.
06:19He's like, I can't handle this anymore.
06:21I need to take credit.
06:22That's what I said.
06:23Kyle, your delivery.
06:24Your delivery.
06:24I'm not trying to steal your thunder.
06:26But I'm trying to steal your thunder.
06:27All right, do the two of you see a possibility of friendship in the future?
06:34Jesse?
06:34I tried to create a friendship with Lexi.
06:38I think we never really got the opportunity to do that over the summer.
06:42So it's really not my decision.
06:46Lexi?
06:48Yeah, I'm good.
06:50Well, we are going to say farewell to Imral.
06:54Thank you, Imral.
06:55A round of applause.
06:56Thanks, Imral.
06:57And we are going to be right back after this.
07:00Thank you, Imral.
07:00You guys are better.
07:01Bye.
07:01Bye.
07:02Can I pee?
07:04I'm just going to run.
07:05I am truly sorry.
07:06I genuinely did not mean for you to ever get caught in the crossfire.
07:10I think that he did and said a lot of things that made me feel like you were into him.
07:16Are you feeling all right?
07:17I don't know.
07:18She's projecting what she's feeling as like that I did that I just never did.
07:23But I am very sorry and I would genuinely love a friendship with you in the future whenever
07:29you are ready for that.
07:30No, I appreciate that.
07:31I'm very open.
07:31And we, in all summer, like, we didn't have a thought like, oh, we don't like Lexi.
07:35It literally didn't run through our minds.
07:37Because he was putting us against each other so much in the summer off camera, I did feel
07:42like you didn't like me or you were into him like that.
07:45Also, but Lexi, you think I'm stupid?
07:47I'm going to date another stupid boy right after I just dated Wes?
07:51Again, I am sorry for those comments.
07:54That's why I really, truly did end with being like, I want to be her friend.
07:58Right.
07:58And that's that.
07:59Make up, follow, touches, please.
08:01Can you come, come, come across, come over, please?
08:06You okay?
08:07Are you sure?
08:08You did good, honey.
08:11Just sucks.
08:12I know.
08:12No tears.
08:13He's not even worth a single one.
08:15Up next, you confess that the hardest part about not being with Lindsay was missing her friendship.
08:28I didn't think I'd get emotional.
08:33That looks good.
08:35And everybody settle in, please.
08:37Pick your back up.
08:38We go in five, four, three.
08:41We are back in bed with the gang from Summer House.
08:47History has proven that you don't ever want to see Lindsay Hubbard activated.
08:52But after showing up to the Summer House with a bombshell pregnancy reveal,
08:58this year, Lindsay was basically cool as a cucumber and dare I say soft.
09:05On your mark, get set, go!
09:11We're so pregnant.
09:19Lindsay, congratulations.
09:23So you were pregnant at the last reunion.
09:26You were showing your midriff.
09:27It was almost like you were taunting everyone.
09:32Wow.
09:32Look at this.
09:33Hi, Candy.
09:34You look beautiful.
09:35You look handsome.
09:36I was just trying to throw everyone off my scent.
09:39I was like, if I show my midriff, maybe they won't think I'm pregnant.
09:43And it actually worked on a couple of people.
09:45Not me.
09:47Jessie, you had an interesting reaction to Lindsay's pregnancy announcement.
09:51Yeah.
09:52Night of the Summer.
09:53We got a lot of questions about that.
09:56I'm pregnant.
09:57I knew it!
09:59I knew it!
10:00I knew it!
10:01Oh my God.
10:02So are you craving anything?
10:03What's going on?
10:04I'm happy for you.
10:06Paula from Massachusetts said,
10:10Okay, Jessie, care to explain your stank face reaction to Lindsay telling the house she's pregnant?
10:16Super weird.
10:17I think Lindsay knows that I was happy for her.
10:20I was just surprised.
10:22I just couldn't believe what I was hearing.
10:24It was just like shocking.
10:26Like a minute ago, she was about to marry Carl.
10:29And like the next summer we show up and she's pregnant with another guy.
10:33I was just surprised.
10:34I, I, yeah.
10:35Lindsay, were you annoyed by his reaction?
10:38Yeah, I was.
10:39I was like, this f***.
10:41It was also during your, your story.
10:44You were like, four score and that's eight years ago.
10:46We did this and this.
10:47I was like, where the f*** is this going?
10:49It was a doozy of a way to introduce you.
10:51It was a lot.
10:52It helped me get to know you.
10:53It was a TED Talk.
10:53Carl, when you heard about Lindsay's announcement, you thought what?
11:01I mean, I was happy for her.
11:03I was surprised.
11:05But no, I was legitimately happy for her.
11:07You know, I had heard about rumors and things and people were talking about it.
11:11But yeah, I mean, it was something I feel like she's always wanted and I was genuinely really happy for her.
11:16Okay, now Gabby Marie from Rhode Island said you were nice to Carl's face that first weekend,
11:21but you had a lot to say about him behind his back.
11:23Were you trying to make Lindsay feel better or do you really think Carl contributes nothing to the house?
11:30That was so weird that like, Carl didn't like, say anything.
11:33Why did you decide to get back?
11:35I don't know.
11:36I mean, it's like, big ass teeth.
11:38And it's not how Gloverboy is contributing nothing to Bernie.
11:42And he's not like, pick them girls.
11:46I don't think that.
11:48I was definitely trying to make Lindsay feel better, for sure.
11:50But I also think that like, as a girlfriend and I'm talking to my friends about their exes,
11:56we're always talking them.
11:57They never do anything right.
11:59So like, I don't think that you don't disagree.
12:00She texted me about that moment, which I really appreciated.
12:05And what did she say?
12:06Just, you know, she was just apologetic and it felt genuine.
12:10And I have a lot of love for Gabby.
12:11What was your reaction to it when you saw it?
12:14I mean, I was definitely like, a little disappointed to hear that.
12:17More about the teeth thing.
12:18And it's probably on me because I don't think you're fully aware.
12:21I mean, my teeth are, I've had dental issues over my, since I was eight years old.
12:25I got hit in the face with a hockey stick for my brother.
12:27I took a baseball off the face.
12:29I've had dental issues.
12:30Season one was made fun of for my yellow teeth.
12:32I did have yellow teeth.
12:33I brushed my teeth with a comb.
12:36What?
12:36My only thing was in the vibe I got was that like, is he like a player?
12:43I don't know yet.
12:45The way my teeth are currently, a couple years ago, I had to get them fixed.
12:49The teeth that I had last summer, honestly, were embarrassing and huge.
12:53I was really down about it because I...
12:55You look so good.
12:56I know exactly what people see too.
12:59Like, I have a lot of self-awareness.
13:00Like, I was embarrassed by my teeth.
13:02What I'm looking at now is definitely...
13:04I had them fixed.
13:05It was great.
13:06I thought it was touching that on the anniversary, Carl, of your brother's death,
13:12you confessed that the hardest part about not being with Lindsay was missing her friendship.
13:18He passed on the 10th, but I got the call August 11th in the morning.
13:22It was Lindsay's birthday that day.
13:24You know, there's a lot of just weird attachment.
13:28You know, Lindsay was buried in my life.
13:29Yeah.
13:30And obviously he's not.
13:31Do you still miss that friendship?
13:34Uh, yeah.
13:35I mean, I didn't think I'd get emotional.
13:40Of course.
13:41She's...
13:41We've had a lot of fun together.
13:43And she's been there for me in a lot of very, very difficult moments.
13:47Um, yeah, it's hard.
13:50I have a lot of love for her family and, you know, for her.
13:53She's an amazing person, but it wasn't right for our relationship.
13:57But it just...
13:58Losing a friend, no matter what the situation, it sucks.
14:01And she was a friend and we had a lot of great bonding and just stuff that was kind of gone.
14:07But it was an adjustment for sure.
14:12Lindsay, do you miss your friendship with Carl?
14:15I don't know if I'm there yet.
14:17What made you go up to him in the club and acknowledge the anniversary?
14:21I'm just going to say I know today what you have to do.
14:25And I'm glad to see that you're making the best of it.
14:30Because no matter what, like, I think, you know, that to this day is the hardest thing that Carl has ever gone through in his entire life.
14:40And that is worth acknowledging, regardless of our history or our past.
14:46It meant a lot that you extended that, and I genuinely appreciate that.
14:50And I know my family did as well.
14:52So, thank you.
14:54Well, we got to see Lindsay interact with her ex in real life all summer.
15:00But her current beau Turner was MIA.
15:03Leaving Lindsay and her housemates wondering if his need for privacy would mesh with her very public life.
15:13So, Lindsay, how is Turner adjusting to fatherhood?
15:17He really is, like, better than I could have ever expected as a father.
15:20The three of you do not live together.
15:23No.
15:24Why is that?
15:26We put our romantic relationship on pause.
15:30Really?
15:33We are just focused on being, like, the best parents that we can possibly be to Gemma.
15:57So, you're really more co-parents?
15:59We are co-parents.
16:00We are an amazing team.
16:02Not to be nosy, but when did you guys put the romantic side on pause?
16:06A few months ago.
16:07Okay.
16:08Yeah.
16:08Wait, were you guys not together when I came over?
16:10Yeah, Wes came over, like, last week.
16:10I will say, it is, like, hard to tell that they're not together.
16:13Really?
16:13I didn't, I was there for two hours and I didn't clock that.
16:16Yeah.
16:16Well, big surprise.
16:17Because you wouldn't.
16:18Like, we are.
16:18You literally wouldn't know.
16:19Wait, were you guys romantically together at the premiere party?
16:23No.
16:24No way.
16:25What a supportive man.
16:26We are, like, the best of friends.
16:28That's great.
16:29We, like, even on the weekends when we don't have our nanny and it's just the two of us,
16:33like, tag-teaming, being parents.
16:35That's awesome, Lindsay.
16:36Like, we're out to brunch.
16:37We're going to visit friends.
16:38So, does he ever sleep over?
16:41Yeah.
16:42Are you friends with benefits?
16:44No.
16:45Do you date other people?
16:47I am not there yet mentally in my mind.
16:51Does he date other people?
16:53I don't think so, no.
16:55I don't think either of us do.
16:56What if you found out that he was starting to date someone?
17:00How would you react?
17:01He would not be spending the night half the week.
17:05So, just to be clear, the group didn't realize that Turner and Lindsay were no longer romantic.
17:12I think it's, like, a mature decision for her because, like, we've had discussions about it.
17:16And, like, I feel like she was, like, Turner is such a great dad to Gemma, but he's not the person romantically for me.
17:22I think that's, like, a level of maturity to realize instead of trying to force it to make it work just to stay a family.
17:28It's, like, I'm going to try to find somebody else who can be the man for me and not the dad because Gemma already has a dad, you know?
17:36That's great.
17:37And if you can figure out the co-parenting thing, which is the most important thing, then...
17:41Yeah, like, we'll see what happens in the future, but as of right this second, I think there's a lot for us to figure out when it comes to parenting, co-parenting, my lifestyle, me being public, him being private.
17:55It's too much at once.
17:56Yes.
17:58You talked about, in the finale, tensions with Turner relating to posting Gemma on social media.
18:04How's that going?
18:06It's a struggle, you know?
18:08Dad is private, mom is public, and what does that make baby?
18:13Um, it's hard.
18:15With being public, you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.
18:18Like, regardless of if I am not on Summer House or on Summer House, I'm still Lindsay from Summer House.
18:25Yes.
18:25So, tell me what you would say to the Lindsay Hubbard of nine years ago.
18:31What do you wish that she knew then that you know now?
18:34That you just have to trust the universe.
18:37Like, it is not going to go the way you think or plan it to go, but you just have to trust the process and go with it, and it's all going to work out.
18:48It's all going to work out.
18:50Well, while Lindsay bounced back from last year at lightning speed, Carl was a different animal.
18:58When he wasn't giving lemur energy, he was re-entering the dating scene and launching a brand new business, all at his own pace.
19:09I haven't had sex for a year.
19:11I've got to put some feelers out.
19:13I want to carry Carl Johnson right into a vagina.
19:16How are you?
19:19I'm looking good.
19:20We're doing, like, lemur energy, like Madagascar lemur.
19:24Do you like lemurs?
19:25Very much.
19:27Carl, let's talk about everyone's favorite amateur magician.
19:31What initially attracted you to Lail?
19:35I thought she had a hot body and a cute face.
19:39Lindsay, did it annoy you to hear that Carl invited another girl to the house?
19:44No, I was gone that weekend, so I figured if there's one weekend for him to have another girl there, this is the one.
19:51Would it have annoyed you if you were there?
19:54Um, no.
19:55But what did annoy me was watching it, and you talked about where I conceived my daughter.
20:00Oh, God.
20:01A lot of my past when I shipped, there's been a lot of up and downs.
20:05I mean, she got pregnant with his child in the bed I paid for in that apartment.
20:09I don't know why you're talking about me and where I conceived my baby, but we did not conceive my child on a bed in general.
20:19Wait, where did her?
20:21Wait, where was she?
20:23Now, this is a little other cage behind me.
20:25I got pregnant.
20:26Oh, you're pulling a turner and keeping it private?
20:29Well, I don't need to talk to you guys about how I conceived my baby, but it was not on the bed that Carl paid for.
20:35Understood.
20:36I'm fully responsible for my words, so I'm sorry for saying that.
20:39Kyle, you probably know Carl the best out of everyone in the house.
20:43What would you say is different about him now versus when you started the house together nine years ago?
20:49Going back, the Carl on the weekend was not always the Carl, like, that I knew.
20:54He definitely would use substances as a bit of, like, a cloak, if you will.
21:00And I almost felt like, I'm like, man, like, there's so much more to this guy.
21:04Like, I feel like he's just so much more confident now.
21:06He's feeling more comfortable in his own skin, and I'm super proud of you.
21:10Yeah, it's really cool to see how happy you are now.
21:13I mean, both of you have been just very supportive and kind of pushing me in the right way.
21:18We love you.
21:19And don't ever change with those stupid jokes.
21:22Well, four years into their marriage, Kyle and Amanda's bustling careers kept their plans to start a family on the back burner.
21:31And while their marriage seemed healthier than ever, would we ever see the day when an aspiring DJ, a two-piece swimsuit designer, and baby make three?
21:45What do we think?
21:46What?
21:48I would never have thought I would not have kids by now.
21:52There's some days where I'm like, should I even have kids?
21:55I'm not suited to take care of something else.
22:02Kyle, even though you and Amanda were on different pages with a lot of things this summer, you seem to talk it out rather than fight about it.
22:10What changed?
22:10You know, as far into this relationship and marriage as we are, I think that it's still a good reminder that it's all about patience.
22:19Even when I would mess up or she would do something that would upset me, I felt like we just did a better job of kind of hashing it out in a civil manner instead of letting it fester.
22:28I think another way to answer the question might be Kyle didn't up too badly this summer.
22:33I mean, a couple times.
22:33100%.
22:34Yeah, no, I think there was a lot of changes.
22:37I mean, Kyle and I had a very big conversation in the beginning of the summer.
22:40Okay.
22:40About, like, where our relationship stood, what needed to change in order for us to move forward because I was ready to, I had one foot out.
22:52Yeah.
22:52Oh, my God, wow.
22:53Oh, wow.
22:54You keep doing the one thing that you know hurts me and it pushes me farther and farther away every time you do it and then you're like, why aren't we friends?
23:04Friendship is built on trust.
23:06I can't trust you.
23:07Yeah, our relationship was on shaky ground, to say the least.
23:13And, you know, look, I kind of use socializing as an outlet.
23:18Yeah.
23:18Like, I don't drink unless I'm socializing.
23:20I'm not great at moderation when I am drinking.
23:22But, like, I realized for the longest time that I'm using the Hamptons and summer as, like, my big release.
23:29And I'm like, that continues to get me in trouble and it continues to put our marriage in a compromised place.
23:35I need to stop thinking about, hey, this might be my last hurrah and just being a little more present.
23:40Good, that worked.
23:42Well, I want to get into where you stand on a possible baby lover boy or girl.
23:48Kyle Lauren from Albany said,
23:50You said it yourself, the second you went on vacation with Amanda and actually stopped working for a minute, she was romantic with you.
23:57Do you think your obsession with work is holding you two back from the next chapter?
24:01Look, I think my work ethic sometimes...
24:05Everything that I'm doing is to build a future.
24:13But there will be no future if all he does is work.
24:17You working all the time and then traveling on the weekends and going to DJ and just, like, never being around at all isn't helping us feel like a family.
24:28I get that.
24:30We don't spend a lot of time together.
24:32He's working late at night.
24:34He's working on the weekends.
24:35He's on the office side.
24:36I'll make dinner.
24:37He comes over to eat it, then goes back to answer more emails.
24:39He's up early in the morning to go to the gym before his work meeting.
24:42Oh, my God.
24:43By the way, Christine from Atlanta said,
24:45Amanda, Kyle has two speeds, party animal and workaholic.
24:49No wonder Amanda doesn't want to have kids with him.
24:52Do you think he'll ever find more balance?
24:56I'd like to hope so.
24:57I'm just waiting for us to sell lover boy.
25:00Yeah, I mean, look, like...
25:02But I don't know, and that's a big concern of mine.
25:04You're building it to sell, I would assume.
25:06At the very least, partner.
25:08But I'm fully in, and I'm going to see it through.
25:11I'm trying to front load it so when we do start a family, I am present.
25:15I will say that he has said this years ago, and we're still feels like we're in the same workaholic mode,
25:20and I just fear that will there ever be balance?
25:23Will it slow down?
25:24And when it does, are you going to just start into something else?
25:27Kyle, how old are you?
25:29I'm 21.
25:30Sorry, I'm 42.
25:32Kyle's not ready to have kids.
25:36But are you?
25:37I'm ready to have kids with someone who's ready to have kids with me.
25:45Up next, for the last couple years, you've been adamant that the rumors about Craig getting kicked out of Kyle and Amanda's wedding were untrue.
25:54Do you want to amend your story?
25:56Absolutely.
25:57I'm ready to have kids with someone who's ready to have kids with me.
26:07Look, I don't think it's a matter of I'm ready and you're not, you're ready and I'm not.
26:12Sounds like it is.
26:15I mean...
26:16Kyle's never like, oh, let's make a baby.
26:19I mean, we honestly, like, we struggle to talk about it.
26:23Struggle to talk about it?
26:25Well, we don't, it's not like we're sitting down and charting out a timeline.
26:28Let me ask you this.
26:29Do you both want...
26:30Why are you looking at me?
26:32Do you both want kids eventually in your marriages?
26:36Yes, and that's something that we've always talked about.
26:37And you absolutely agree with that?
26:39Yes.
26:40Carl, you've known Kyle the longest of the men in the house.
26:42Does he seem ready for a family?
26:44Do you?
26:44I mean, I think at times I see him definitely.
26:47Like, even he was holding Gemma earlier, which was really beautiful to see and really sweet.
26:51Say hi!
26:52Oh, my God's a little...
26:53Hi!
26:54It's a little...
26:55Say hi!
26:57Yeah, say hi, Kyle.
26:58Wait till you see her seventh month in the morning.
27:00Can I see you?
27:00Yeah.
27:01She might spit up on you.
27:03You got this.
27:06Aw.
27:07Say hi.
27:08Aw.
27:09Aw.
27:11You know, it's kind of like a little picture of, like, what Kyle could be like as a dad.
27:15He's great with the dogs, too.
27:17But, you know, I want what's best for them.
27:19Did you meet Gemma?
27:21Briefly, yeah.
27:21Just, like, a little hello from afar.
27:23Gemma said, f*** off.
27:25I'm just trying to be respectful, and it was really, really sweet to see her.
27:29Amanda, your mental health is in a really good place, right?
27:33In a great place.
27:34Yeah.
27:34Are you worried about what pregnancy would do to your mental health?
27:38For sure.
27:39Yeah.
27:39Yeah.
27:39The aftermath.
27:41Now, I can be candid.
27:41I am a little, too.
27:43But now that I'm prepared for it, and the medication that I'm taking right now, I can take while pregnant.
27:48Can I say, like, I really appreciated Amanda being very upfront and honest and emotionally intelligent to understand that, like, postpartum depression is a thing.
28:01And I'm here to tell you, like, it's f***ing wild.
28:03And it is no joke.
28:04And I'm, like, a really strong, like, mentally strong person.
28:08So, like, I applaud you for, like, having that foresight.
28:13But, Andy, like, to your point, like, timing, I don't have a crystal ball.
28:16I don't know how long it'll take to get Loverboy and Flowerboy to a place where I can turn around and say, hey, next year, baby.
28:22He wants to have all of his ducks in a row, but...
28:24But do you think that you'll get to the point where it's, like, okay, if it's not done by this date, it is what it is.
28:30It has to be that way.
28:32Like, you can still work on it, but, like, what about enjoying the moments that you don't have kids right now, like, and not letting the business take over your entire life?
28:40Yeah.
28:40We need to be better at prioritizing us.
28:44I've just been focused on me.
28:46I feel like Kyle's been focused on him.
28:48Not in a negative way for so long.
28:49I mean, you both seem really happy, so...
28:51Yeah.
28:51We both just started saying yes to, like, everything over the last six to nine months, and it's been a lot.
28:56Like, I've never been busier, but it's...
28:58I like that.
29:00Before I had my kid, I vowed to...
29:03How did you, timing-wise, how did you...
29:04I was turning 50, and I was like, I have to do it.
29:08Because it's... I'm gonna be too old.
29:09Do you have an age for yourself, Kyle, or Amanda, where you're like, it's gotta be by this age for myself?
29:16I mean, it has to be in the next few years for me.
29:19It has to, like, biologically, I'd like to have my first child, because I'd like to have more than one.
29:24Have you thought about freezing your eggs, by the way?
29:26Yeah.
29:26Well, I got sperm on ice, just in case.
29:27Okay. Craig's got sperm on ice, too.
29:30Good for him.
29:31Speaking of Craig, this season, alpha males, Kyle and Craig...
29:36Yeah.
29:36...faced off over the manliest topic you could imagine, spritz cocktails.
29:42What is that?
29:44Kyle Cook rage-texting about Craig.
29:48We're fighting because Craig did something with another drink company.
29:52So it's my fault?
29:53What the f*** is this?
29:55F*** you, dude.
29:56You said I have a reputation known for lying in front of the whole world.
29:59Kyle, what the f***, dude?
30:00Like, that's f***ing nuts.
30:01I don't care.
30:02If you're not sorry for what you did, then, yeah, we're not cool.
30:05Looking back, do you think you fought too hard for Craig in that?
30:12I've...
30:12No, because he was my boyfriend.
30:15Yes.
30:15And I always fought very hard for him.
30:17I always tried to protect him.
30:19If someone said something bad about him, like, I would go at them.
30:23Like, I...
30:23He was my focus.
30:25So, like, I would always defend him, and then we'd get in private,
30:29and I'd be like, you know that you were wrong,
30:30but I had to defend you because you're my boyfriend.
30:33Right.
30:33But do you think that he actually may have been wrong in this?
30:37Well, here's the thing.
30:38We'll never know, because I don't know with the whole business deal
30:42if he was even telling me the truth.
30:44Right.
30:44But I know that in the very beginning when he first told me about it,
30:47my first response was, you have to call Kyle,
30:50and you have to have a conversation with Kyle about it,
30:52and he was, like, blindsided by that.
30:55Like, he couldn't believe I suggested that.
30:57You, Kyle, in your conversation with Craig,
31:00apologized to him for calling him a liar.
31:04Do you think you were wrong about him being a liar,
31:06or were you just saying that to move through it?
31:08No, I was trying to take the high road.
31:09I mean, I literally have text after text after text,
31:12lie after lie after lie.
31:14Receipts galore.
31:15Kyle was, like, upset.
31:16Like, he'd wake up in the middle of the night,
31:18like, sitting at the edge of the bed, like,
31:19I'm like, what is wrong?
31:22I don't think my ex knew actually what he was saying.
31:26Like, I don't think he actually understood the business part of it,
31:28so he was spewing things to sound like he knew what was going on.
31:32It became very clear,
31:33and this is the reason I never talked to Paige about it
31:36until we got into that heated part of the summer.
31:39I was like, there's no way Paige even knows what's going on,
31:42because Craig doesn't know what's going on.
31:43Right, right?
31:44Like, everything he texts me was a contradiction.
31:46Yeah.
31:47Like, oh, yeah, I'm thinking about doing it,
31:48but I wanted to run it by you.
31:50Oh, wait, no, I already did it.
31:51Oh, wait, no, my business partners voted me two to one.
31:54Oh, I only did it because I thought you only do teas.
31:58Then he came out with an iced tea.
31:59Yeah, then the thing that really, the icing on the cake,
32:02I only did a spritz because I thought you only did teas.
32:04And then the flavor that he was working on during this entire...
32:07The whole time was an iced tea.
32:08Like, since March.
32:09What?
32:10Was an iced tea.
32:11Our very first flavor at Loverboy was a lemon iced tea.
32:13What does he roll out?
32:14We have both of those.
32:15Seven years later, a lemon iced tea.
32:17And he just was like, I can't with this guy.
32:23That was the most insane white boy response ever.
32:25I can't with this guy.
32:26I can't with this guy.
32:27That was such a white boy statement.
32:29And despite all that, I still checked in on him,
32:32you know, when I found out.
32:32Right, which is so nice of you.
32:34That was a weird response to me checking in via text.
32:36He unfollowed me on Instagram.
32:37I was like, oh.
32:38Yeah, I mean, he blocked me.
32:39I didn't check on him and he unfollowed me, too,
32:41so that's cool.
32:41He unfollowed you?
32:42Yeah, I mean, I said team Paige.
32:44If anyone defended me, he unfollowed them
32:46and cut off all communication.
32:48I mean, one of the things brought a smile on my face.
32:51When they did break up, I checked in on her.
32:54Like, can I say?
32:55Yeah, sure.
32:55She was like, she was like, team lover boy.
32:58Like, that actually meant a lot to me.
33:01I mean, don't cry.
33:02Take it into account the last year.
33:03You're going to cry.
33:04It's so better to have me on your side.
33:08Yeah, yeah.
33:09Well, Paige, for the last couple years,
33:11you've been adamant that the rumors about Craig
33:13getting kicked out of Kyle and Amanda's wedding
33:15were untrue.
33:17After hearing Kyle confirm them,
33:20do you want to amend your story?
33:23So, what I was fighting about at the reunion last year
33:26was that Danielle sent the story into a blogger or whatever.
33:31You wrote a whole article.
33:34I confirmed what was already true.
33:36Danielle, do you regret leaking that story?
33:39At the time, I thought it was juicy as f**k.
33:41So, I was like, yeah, that happened.
33:42And that's the person you are.
33:44That was the part I was most mad about
33:46because I feel like we, as a cast,
33:48don't, like, send things in anonymously about each other.
33:51Now, was he asked to not return to the backyard?
33:54Absolutely.
33:55Craig was told to leave our property.
33:58Yes.
33:58Oh, really?
33:59The next morning, I woke up and I was like,
34:01you have to apologize to Mr. and Mrs. Batula.
34:04Paige texted them.
34:05And he absolutely refused.
34:07Which is kind of bonkers.
34:08I was mortified.
34:09He was so belligerently drunk.
34:11He was causing a scene.
34:13He was kicking tables.
34:14He was yelling at people.
34:15He was going inside the house.
34:16He was inside my parents' house,
34:17which everyone was asked not to be in.
34:19He acted like an entitled brat at the wedding,
34:21and he was an embarrassment.
34:23Is there anything else you feel like you've
34:25had to lie about to protect him?
34:28Is there anything else you feel like you've
34:36had to lie about to protect him?
34:40Honestly, I'm so uncomfortable
34:42because I've never had to lie in my entire life
34:44until I started dating him,
34:46and it was more like I had to be like,
34:48oh, he's not that drunk,
34:49or like, oh, no, we just wanted to go home early.
34:51Like, it's little situations that he would put me in
34:54that I would have to defuse.
34:56Anyway, it's uncomfortable,
34:58and it gets very overwhelming and tiring.
35:01Yeah.
35:02Sierra, were you aware that Paige and Craig
35:04were having issues before the summer began?
35:06Yeah, I mean...
35:08Yeah.
35:09Yeah.
35:10Okay.
35:10She comes to Thanksgiving.
35:11I mean, yeah.
35:12So his story to me at the Southern Charm reunion was
35:15it was Thanksgiving break,
35:17but he didn't really think
35:18that you were actually broken up,
35:21and then in December he felt like
35:22you got back together a couple times?
35:26No.
35:27He was at my house for Thanksgiving Thursday.
35:30He left Friday,
35:32broke up with him that Sunday.
35:34December 10th,
35:35the day he was on Watch What Happens Live,
35:37he came over that night,
35:38final and in-person discussion.
35:40I didn't just call him up and say,
35:42see ya, and I'll send all your stuff in the mail.
35:45Like, we had a phone call,
35:46then we saw each other in person,
35:48and then in a timely fashion at the end of January,
35:51I mailed his things back.
35:52When was it announced?
35:54It was announced?
35:54Around the end of December?
35:55New Year's Eve.
35:56Because he was in Aspen,
35:58and I'm getting text messages,
35:59I'm getting pictures of him out at a bar,
36:02and I was like,
36:02oh, someone's gonna see him out at a bar
36:05and think, like, he's cheating on me or something?
36:07I'm gonna put the statement out.
36:09And so I tell him that I'm doing it,
36:11he doesn't respond to me,
36:13I put the statement out,
36:14beautiful, so nice,
36:16made it so easy for him.
36:18Like all of our relationship,
36:20made it so easy for him to just say,
36:22yep, we broke up,
36:23but like the rest of our relationship,
36:25his ego had to get all over it,
36:27and he had to make it known.
36:29She broke up with me.
36:31Like, this is not my doing,
36:32I'm blindsided right before the holidays.
36:34Kyle, did it surprise you
36:36that Craig didn't defend Paige
36:40when cheating rumors started to swirl in the press?
36:43It actually made me mad for her,
36:45because I knew exactly what he was doing.
36:48I don't think that exes owe each other anything
36:50in a normal setting.
36:52We are in the public eye,
36:54our reputation is very important,
36:58all we have.
36:58He did not need to defend me,
37:01he could have just said,
37:02no, she didn't cheat on me,
37:03but I really didn't need him leaning into,
37:06she wanted other people,
37:08I didn't break up with him for other people.
37:11It's just so interesting.
37:13You just never know what's going on inside a couple.
37:18Like, I mean, it's just so true.
37:20Yeah.
37:21Paige, we really saw a vulnerable
37:23and emotional side to you this summer
37:26that I don't think that we've ever seen before.
37:28Yeah.
37:29My heart broke seeing that conversation
37:31with you and Ciara in bed,
37:32where you really seemed like you were torn
37:35between your head and your heart.
37:37Mm-hmm.
37:38Me and Craig are going to break up
37:40and everything I have will, like, go away.
37:42It's just a lot.
37:47It's okay.
37:51No, I'm just so anxious.
37:56When you were filming Summer House,
37:58and you're being very real
38:02about how you felt in this relationship,
38:04that was a bold move.
38:08Was there a part of you in your mind
38:10that was like,
38:11okay, well, by the time this airs,
38:13this will be over?
38:15Um, yes and no,
38:17because here's the thing
38:18that I will say about me and my ex-boyfriend.
38:21When it came to filming,
38:23we were very much like,
38:24if you feel it and it's real, say it.
38:27So it was kind of the same with me.
38:29Are you purposefully not saying his name?
38:31Absolutely.
38:33He'll never hear me say his name again.
38:40Up next...
38:41I'm dating.
38:42Jesse, any plans to pursue Paige
38:45now that she's single?
38:46Of course I will.
38:48Jesus Christ.
38:51Are you purposefully not saying his name?
38:54Absolutely.
38:55He'll never hear me say his name again.
38:58That's my girl.
38:59You said on your podcast
39:02that you and your ex-boyfriend...
39:07...that you thought the two of you
39:08would remain friends.
39:10I did think that.
39:11But it went in a very opposite direction
39:13and no, we will never speak again.
39:17Boy, BravoCon's got to be interesting.
39:19I was going to say, BravoCon.
39:20What is the status of your dating life now?
39:23I'm dating.
39:24I'm absolutely dating.
39:25I truly have been so busy with work.
39:28I didn't finish my tour until February
39:30and, like, traveling for work.
39:31So nothing serious.
39:33No one special.
39:34Jesse, any plans to pursue Paige
39:37now that she's single?
39:38No plans, but of course I will.
39:40Jesus Christ.
39:42He can't help himself.
39:44Paige, your growth over the last year
39:45has been insane to watch.
39:48Amanda, you said that the things
39:50that Paige achieved this year
39:51are the goals that she told you about
39:53when you first met.
39:55It must make you feel very proud
39:57to see what...
39:57Yeah.
39:57Yeah.
39:58I get emotional thinking about it.
40:00She was just a little baby,
40:01I feel like, when we met.
40:02And I remember sitting there
40:03on that rooftop
40:04talking about, like,
40:06what she wanted to do with life
40:07and it's just been really cool
40:08to see her achieve those goals
40:10and even more.
40:13As we look ahead
40:14to what's next for this group,
40:17summer's just around the corner.
40:18Lindsay, despite what some
40:20of your housemates have said
40:22in the past...
40:23F*** you, West.
40:24Do you plan on spending time
40:26in the Hamptons this year?
40:27Yeah, I'll be out there.
40:28I mean, I don't know
40:30if I'll be living at the house
40:31every weekend.
40:32I have a small baby at home.
40:34You know, it's my first summer
40:36with Gemma, so I'm really excited
40:37to...
40:38Bring her by.
40:39...spin that with her.
40:40But we'll see how much
40:42I can make it to the house
40:44and I'll be in the city
40:45during the week.
40:46Well, on that note,
40:47I think we could all use a toast.
40:49Paige and Amanda got a taste
40:50of Lindsay's breast milk
40:52and I'm told Lindsay brought
40:53enough to share
40:54with the rest of the crowd.
40:57What about Joe?
40:58Just kidding.
40:59The genuine excitement?
41:00We do have white Russians
41:02for everybody
41:03except for Carl
41:04who really does get to try
41:06Lindsay's breast milk.
41:08Just kidding, Carl.
41:10That would be truly sadistic.
41:13It really is so good, though.
41:14I would put it in my coffee.
41:16Bottle, stop.
41:17Oh, they're in baby bottles?
41:18Oh, my God.
41:18Oh, my God.
41:18That's so cute.